PRAYER WARRIORS: If you ever feel discouraged and that your prayers aren't important, that is satan attacking you because they ARE important.
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The President didn't "just get lucky" Gods' hand turned the president' head at that split second. Keep praying
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POWERFUL post. 👏
I pray every day for president Trump.
I don't wanna brag but it was like totally so my prayer that saved him 😂😂
Thine cup runneth over.
A humble lel
The humblest of all humblest 🤣🤣😊
Literally
That last one tipped it over 🤣
Haha 😂
If you ask me, frens, what took place yesterday is a clear sign that we must be praying MORE THAN EVER. I'll come clean, I've also been guilty of not praying as much as I should in recent times... this was a big wake-up call for me to be in touch with God more!
Incredible how close the bullet was
That is the Truth.Vade Retro Satanas.🙏🏻🔥🇺🇸
God gave us free will. So prayer is necessary.
You sound like calvinist with your predetermined talk... God gave us free will. He wants us to choose to love God. Yes there are time you thank God for unanswered prayers and prayers answered
I don't believe his plan can be changed by prayer. This implies he changes his mind, which is at odds with his omniscience. If what you prayed is what He ends up doing, then it was part of His Plan all along, so the prayer was unnecessary. I'm not saying your choices are predetermined though, only certain fates/outcomes. Again I'm not actually aware of what goes on beyond, but logically speaking prayer makes no sense if the intention is to affect the universe.
In my view the prayer exists mainly for the one praying, it's not a factor in what God intended to do all along.
God tells us:
2 Chronicles 7:14
"If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land".
It’s not that He changes His mind.
It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another.
It’s based off what the people who are called by His Name ask of him and how they humble themselves in repentance to Him.
Evil gets a turn, but evil is not stronger. God seems to want us to participate in creation and salvation with Him.
Forgive me for being a poor prayer warrior.
"It’s that if intercession is made, He does one thing, if it is not, He may allow another"
"if" doesn't exist in an omniscient mind. He already decided everything He's going to do before the universe was made.
Your view of Divinity assumes it exists within time and reacts to what you ask or not ask of it.
Divinity created time. Divinity is beyond time. It already decided everything It's going to do.
There is no "if" in the Divine Mind. "If" presupposes ignorance about a future event.
translation: I know what exists in an omniscient mind
Just how confident are you that you know what omniscience is and what God's mind is like?
I think one mistake the vast majority of people make is they imagine God in the present tense, as if he's in heaven right now, watching the earth like a TV show and reacting to it in the present, as if he's just sitting there waiting for people to ask of him things and like a genie he fulfills these tasks...
God doesn't just know the end of time, he exists after the end and before it. He's beyond time. He already knows every choice and event in your life and has already decided how that will play out. That doesn't mean you don't have free will, but your understanding of God comes from a misconception, you're visualizing him as if he exists within time, like you and I and therefore talk to him as if he's within time.
His Will is eternal and he knows best. You telling him to do this or that isn't just ignorant, but blasphemous. Who are you to tell God what to do?
Thy will be done should suffice.
That’s the Calvinist view, yes.
Each timeline is fixed. I agree.
Now imagine that there are infinite timelines, with all our souls dancing each other between them in a glorious spiritual dance based on everything we all choose.
If I choose X, we go here. If you choose Y, we go there.
It’s why when I say you can blame me for all this mess, I’m right. it’s not that I’m going to steer us to salvation, that’s not my role. I am of myself nothing. It’s that if I wasn’t participating in sin, and had to this point properly allowed the Holy Spirit to work through me, and allowed myself to be led by the Will of God Almighty, where might we be?
We have seen before what one man can do when living out righteousness. We are seeing what one man can do now. It only takes one…
WWG1WGA, fren. Very literally. We are all Him.
John 10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
They wanted to stone Him for that, on the spot! There’s something important there.
I wasn't arguing against free will specifically.
I was saying that praying for X is useless because The Divine has already decided what It's going to do before the prayer was made.
What you have to essentially believe is that Divinity might have intended for Y but your praying for X led to X happening instead. This can't possibly be true otherwise that would mean the Divine isn't omniscient.
You cannot change the Divine Plan, whatever it is. Y is going to happen regardless of how many pray for X or how intensely they pray for it.
One more thing. The Divine Plan can work without violating free will, since all the punishments The Divine intends for evil have being pre-planned as well, ordained before creation as justice to evil.
That doesn't mean the actions themselves are controlled, but the reactions by fate were already determined before you were born as the Divine by Its omniscience had foreknowledge of everything you will do and thus has already determined ( I speak in past tense but really Divinity made all these choices beyond time) what your fate will be.
Now if X happens, then X was Y(The Divine Will) anyway, which means you praying for it was unnecessary. It was going to happen whether you prayed for it or not. It just happened that what you prayed for was what the Divine was going to do anyway.
Within any given timeline, you’re correct, but you’re not visualizing what I say correctly.
Why do you think so many people on this board say, “I love this timeline!”
If everything is fixed, and there’s only one timeline, there is no free will, only an illusion of it. Salvation is already determined. Prayers are already determined. God in this situation would have created some of us knowing we would sin our way into hell.
Or.. He puts us here knowing our character, from before we were ever born, and watches to see if we find our way. There are events where He does things. There are some things that may be inevitable under all timelines, but how we arrive at any place is not necessarily a given before we play it out.
Neither of us know which one of our proposals is the way things actually work, but the mechanics of this model are sound, and I like the thought of mine better.
Time is a fourth dimension beyond space. Add choice as a fifth dimension beyond time, with our souls able to move between them. God, then, is somewhere beyond that. It’s just how I think of things, fren. I saw a waking vision of it one day. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but it was beautiful
What if God's plan includes him giving you a choice and a decision in how the plan unfolds?
Who is the author of human freedom and human responsibility? This is God. True (real) Love cannot exist without freedom or without responsibility. God is a creator, and he has responsibility for his own creation. For us to be able to relate to God as his children, he gave a portion of that responsibility to us. Only by exercising our freedom and responsibility correctly can we truly resemble, and therefore, both reflect his nature and also embody his nature.
Conclusion: God's plan involves assigning a portion of the responsibility for completion of the plan to his children. This is the reason why Christ is necessary.
God's reactions to your prayer already happened before you were born. His plan(aka fate) is already tailored around all the choices you will make since he already knows that.
As for how I know that "if" doesn't exist in an omniscient mind, because the contrary is impossible. If "if" existed in the omniscient mind, then it has ignorance of a future, which means it wouldn't be omniscient. Why is it so hard for you guys to get this?
Prayer is arrogance ultimately. The greatest proof against it is when it goes unanswered. God's will happens regardless. I'm talking about fate itself, not your free will actions.
For example, praying for Trump's safety let's say. God has already decided in accordance with his nature and plan whether he will protect Trump or not, just like how he decided to NOT protect JFK despite all the millions who prayed for his safety back then I'm sure. God's decision to protect Trump happened before the universe was made. Many prayed for Trump to die(yes, these kinds of Christians exist too), many didn't pray for Trump at all. Trump can only be safe or not safe, therefore one of these things was going to happen, so one "side" of the prayer of war was going to "win" inevitably. God decided to protect Trump before time even existed, before any prayer for Trump's protection was done.
It's like asking someone who has 100% made up his mind on what he's going to do to do something. You don't know what he's going to do, but you do know he has already made his decision. You asking him to do this or that isn't a factor in whether he made that decision or not since he made that decision before you asked him.
If it really was prayer, then every time people pray for a good thing it would happen, yet that's not how reality works.
It's all already written, with your choices in mind. You, a timebound being, did NOT change God's eternal, timeless mind. It requires strong ignorance and pride to think otherwise.
As for embodying God's nature... 99% of people, let alone Christians, fail at that miserably. For one, God is self-aware, Christians/Muslims/Jews are the least self-aware people alive, especially the fundamentalist ones.
I’m not downvoting you, by the way. Would never do that in an honest discussion.
Thanks for this. Petty lurkers downvoting things they don't agree with annoy me as well though. Present an argument instead cowards.
God wants us to ask Him to move in our realm. There are times where He won’t move until asked. There are many verses in the Bible about prayer, it’s more than just a conversation with our Creator.
“Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.” John 16:24
This isn’t about asking for things/riches/popularity, it’s about the Holy Spirit moving our hearts to pray over/for all things. Sometimes I just sit and ask God to protect those who are out there doing the really hard and scary work. I pray that those who are brave enough to pursue this endeavor to the end are invisible to those who want to put their actions to a permanent stop.
We are told to pray without ceasing, when doing so there are a bounty of things to intercede for 🙏
God is beyond time, he doesn't "wait" for you to ask him to do something. He's omniscient so he already knows everything he's going to do and not do. In a way, he has already done everything he's going to do. It's beyond our understanding.
Indeed. He also wants us to walk paths of righteousness, but we have free will to reject that path. If we reject it, does that mean He made a mistake?
I asked for years to have a child, it wasn’t until my heart was in the right place to ask the right way that opened the door to the path to my child. I don’t believe she would have come the way she did if I hadn’t trusted what He put on my heart to ask.
We will probably disagree on this, but it doesn’t pertain to our Salvation in Christ so grace to you fren 🙏
Anyone whonisnt praying isn't in the game at all