Just curious. if they dont got their shit together why should we even pay them? I've seen lots of frens file for extensions, or some are not even gonna bother with paying. Whatre your thoughts?
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We paid. And I suggest the rest of you do, too. Until they dissolve the IRS there is no way I wouldn't pay my taxes.
I suggest you keep your suggestions to yourself.
Taxes are a violation of our Inalienable Rights. Worse, in our case, our taxes fund things like a pedophilia (and pedovore) culture that permeates the entire planet. And its really much worse than that. That's just on the surface. Objecting to taxes is part of the war. I suggest it is one of the most important non-violent things you can do. You know that picture of one slave standing up to the slavemaster and everyone else joins in? That's what that picture is for.
If you choose to continue to feed our demise, literally paying for our slavery and worse, that is your choice and I don't fault you for it. But to suggest that everyone should comply is straight up evil.
Suggesting is not evil.
I realize we are indebted to the government but I’m too old to go to jail. And I don’t intend to wait and find out what happens. Already have had three years of grief with the IRS one year over there mistakes. They lost our tax forms we mailed in but cashed our check! So the onus was on us to fix it!
But if you want to FAFO then go right ahead. Then don’t pay your taxes. You still have a that choice.
Ditto
Already filed.
Gave them a little over two grand a couple of weeks ago. I'm now hoping for a refund of some sort, my wife and I shall see. But our thinking was if you don't pay the government can still come and get you for not paying. I don't feel like sitting in jail for a while nor having to defend myself with a high priced lawyer. It was a lot cheaper than to pay and hope for a refund than pay a lawyer to keep me out of jail. Trump is the President, yet he's still not fully in control of the IRS. Some unelected bureaucrat can wreck havoc on a pro Conservative.
My husband paid our taxes. I suggested that maybe we should hold off, but he pointed out that we'd been audited for no reason, hounded over a 165 dollar error on their part, and we're both too old to go through a bunch of crap over money. Nearly every year we've been harassed by the IRS, and our time is more important than money.
Recommending taxes, you also recommend vaxes?
Nope, but I’m too old to go to jail.
We are all just free range humans on a tax farm.
I read that here years ago and to this day, it's the most accurate statement I ever heard about an American's true purpose in the eyes of the ruling elites.
OMG I was just about to tell you I was stealing but looks like you stole it first. For good reason. "Free range humans on a tax farm." Brilliant.
I concluded that we are being farmed several decades ago. They throw our their loaned money like a trawling net, and pull in everything we create or own (maybe including children) as their catch (interest).
After being audited once by the IRS and it got ugly, we have since then always paid our taxes on February 1st, and typically always get a small refund. We went ahead and did as we always do and got our refund back right away.
I dunno about you but most people already paid... filing is just for refund.. or if you owe extra (which I usually do lol).
Unprecedented mismanagement = " I will keep my eyes shut while all my buddies loot the place "
File your taxes. Mobile version of the usdebtclock.org shows a DOGE refund per tax payer.
Your tax filing makes it easier for your tax dollars to be returned easier.
Refund per tax payer at time of this post is $2,205.00. The more money DOGE finds/cuts, the larger the return.
Per US Debt clock:
US population: 341,589,190
163, 556,773 in work force, 112,682.718 US Income tax payers.
1 US tax payer is paying for 2 non tax payers in this country.
33.4% of the US Population is paying 100% of income taxes.
This is why we have so much debt, why 2 generations of working class Americans (Gen Y/Millennial born 1984-2002, Gen Z born 2003 - 2021) can't afford to buy a home.
I’m glad we have the debt clock website to tell us what’s really going on with our government.
Great point, I'll consider that
You are still required by US law to file taxes. Just because the organization tasked with collecting them is in chaos doesn't mean the law is gone.
Please cite the law
There is no law just irs policy.
16th Amendment to the constitution.
That is a point of debate. I have a feeling it was never appropriately ratified and that is why many government programs require a tax return. I'm not saying don't file a return or pay taxes, but if you don't, you're out in the wilderness of anarchy and that's not all it's cracked up to be. I'll let each person do their own homework and make their own decisions. You may get away with not participating, but you also suffer the consequences of not participating. Be very careful with your decision
I wonder if they gave a pass to all of Congress and Hollywood. I know people who don't work get "refunds" too.
This is not legal or tax paying advice, but "The U.S. tax code operates on a system of voluntary compliance. Some taxpayers have used the voluntary nature of the tax system to support their claims that they don't have to pay tax at all. However, it isn't the payment of the tax itself that is voluntary. Rather, it's the manner in which people submit their own taxes.
Voluntary taxation The nature of the voluntary tax system in the U.S. takes the calculation of taxes owed out of the hands of the federal government. You are responsible as an individual taxpayer to calculate what you owe. You're expected to voluntarily comply with the tax code by reporting what you owe to the government and paying the entire amount that you owe under the law.
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-does-it-mean-that-taxes-are-voluntary/L5cjhVlhh
I allow employers to send my tax withholdings to the IRS (even though statutes to do such were never ratified by Congress). IRS Code is neither statute nor law, filing one's taxes on the other hand is voluntary.
In slang, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing".
The second you sign your straw -man name to a return document you have volunteered your compliance to a tax code that has never been a statute nor law ratified by the US Congress.
If I shared my thoughts, I'd be outing myself.
If I were to offer advice of any sort, it would be to see if anyone reaches out about you not filing, but obviously only if you owe.
A decade ago, it took years for them to even notice a lack of participation in their system. I'm guessing that their efficiency hasn't improved any, There IS such a thing as being deemed noncollectable.
AND...I honestly don't think that agency is long for this world, anyway.
I'm small potatoes, though. You business owners are in a different position.
Nobody said it, so I will:
FUCK THE IRS!
We do not need an income tax, and we should abolish it to return to a true Constitutional Republic, as originally intended and established by the framers of our Constitution.
What if all 80 million people that voted MAGA united to boycott paying federal income taxes? We would overcome the RINO's, Democrats, Communists, and Deep State agents by taking their money supply away.
What is the ultimate goal? To have the following conditions met:
A 100% full forensic accounting of all the money, expenditures, of every department, program, or agency with unconstitutional spending is provided to the American People. If the Constitution doesn't specifically delegate it, then it must be abolished. Require that the federal budget be balanced every year.
Publish the actual cost to run the federal government through an annual forensic audit with full disclosure and transparency, once #5 has been completed.
Establish a $1,000,000,000,000.00 federal emergency fund that is used only for legitimate emergencies. Any funds used must be replenished within the span of 4 years of being used.
Secure all Federal Elections 100%. Make it a capital crime to tamper with or commit fraud in our elections.
Reduce the federal government to the size and scope the founding fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution. Eliminate all departments, all agencies, all programs, all projects, and all roles not specifically delegated to government through the Constitution. End all forms of welfare, including foreign aid, corporate aid, and domestic welfare programs. This will eliminate most unconstitutional spending. It will also shrink the government back to the size and scope originally intended. All departments and delegated powers that belong to the States will be funded 100% by those States, and with no federal dollars.
Eliminate the Federal Reserve and the Fiat Currency known as Federal Reserve Notes. Return to using the real legal and lawful tender we have always had, and are still minting, called Silver Eagles, Gold Eagles, and add both Palladium and Platinum Eagles. These are real American Dollars, as intended by the Framers of our Constitution.
No more prosecuting victimless "crimes". If you couple this with repealing all unconstitutional federal weapons laws, and laws against forming local militia's, these actions would save millions to billions of dollars annually, while increasing the safety / security of citizens.
Eliminate all federal taxes on American citizens across the board. No other income taxes on citizens of any type at the federal level. This includes every form of property tax, and every single federal consumption tax: gasoline, diesel, communications, water, etc.
End all entangling alliances with foreign nations. This includes the U.N., NATO, WEF, and any other alliance or treaty that interferes with our sovereignty and independence. End all Treaties that are not favorable to the USA, or compromise our sovereignty in any way.
Enact sensible tariffs on foreign trade, just as the framers of our Constitution intended. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited federal government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above.
Enact a flat 5% tax on businesses, but only on those with annual revenue over $10,000,000.00. This would allow small business owners plenty of breathing room to establish and grow a small business to a point of success allowing it to thrive once it was subject to the federal flat tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. All other federal government fee's or charges for American owned businesses would be eliminated. Government is not intended to generate profits, only raise enough revenue to cover the actual cost of running a small and efficient government.
Enact a 5% federal flat income tax on all non-citizens living in our country. If they earn their citizenship, they would no longer be subject to that income tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above, and funding the deportation of illegal aliens apprehended or extradited within our borders.
Charge $100,000.00 for a four year student visa, and $200,000.00 for a 4 year H1-B Visa. Include the President Trump's Gold Card Visa program by charging $5,000,000.00 for this visa to qualified foreigners, with a cap of 2 million Gold Card Visas issued at any one time. Taking American school slots and American jobs is going to cost non-citizens. Any person, company, or school that is caught using any visa fraudulently will be fined $250,000.00 per incident for Student and H1-B, and $1 million for Gold Card Visa's. These funds would help defray the cost of deporting illegal immigrants. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. Any person in the United States on a Visa is subject to having their Visa revoked immediately for engaging in unethical or illegal conduct or activities, or for any act or participation in protests against the United States of America. This includes stealing, damaging, desecrating, or destroying our flag, or advocating the violation or overthrow of our Constitution.
Require all legal immigrants to live within the United States for 14 years before allowing them to become a U.S. Citizen (8 years for those married to a U.S. citizen, or for a minimum of 8 years honorable military service). During this time they must earn their citizenship and prove they truly intend to become an American, to include passing an exam proving they are 100% proficient in the English Language. They would also be required to pass an extensive exam covering true American history, the principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was established, and have a thorough knowledge of our Constitution, and our federal government. They would be required to watch the video series listed in #31. This would also eliminate most green card scammers, green card divorces, etc.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment establishing English as the official language of These United States of America. Prohibit any government forms, publications, etc., to be printed in any language other than English.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment forbidding all non-citizens, all foreign governments, and all foreign companies from purchasing / owning any land or any other real estate. If they already do own some, they have to sell it within 12 months of the ratification of the Amendment. If it is not sold, it will be taken through Eminent domain, and sold at auction to State Citizens, and not to government or corporations.
Eliminate Social Security, and the Social Security Administration. This could be done by establishing a "cut-off" age. Anyone over that age gets to finish out their Social Security payments. Anyone under that age gets all of the money they put in over the years refunded in a lump sum payment that is not taxed. They would also receive a full refund of their spouses contributions, if they are deceased. This could easily be funded by all the other unconstitutional expenditures that would be stopped, as noted in #5 above. Anyone that did not pay into SS will not get SS. Once the unconstitutional / socialist program finishes paying out, then it would be forever abolished.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating that the President has Line Item Veto power.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating only single issue Bills can be introduced, and all Bills / Laws must be simple, short, and easily understood by any citizen with a high school level of education.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all deals and all votes in the Legislative Branch be public. The public will see who voted on what, who voted, or didn't, and how each member voted. No more secret backroom deals, and no more secret votes.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment recognizing in every federal court that jurors are the sole judges of the law and the facts.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating everyone working for the government, elected or appointed, to be audited by an independent agency every 2 years. This includes all judges, all elected representatives, POTUS and Vice POTUS, as well as all cabinet members, and all department heads and managers. Make the penalty for violations of their oath or the law expulsion / termination and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the government, or holding office. For more serious violations, the penalty should be felony prison time.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting recurring taxes on any type of property. This would prohibit government from infringing on the natural right to actually 100% own property.
Re-task the IRS to collect non-citizen income tax, tariffs, and the business taxes. Take away their "police" powers (No guns or arrest power), and make them the accountants and auditors they were created to be.
Privatize the USPS by selling it. Retain all government specific tasks (passports, etc.) by moving them under other Constitutionally delegated departments.
Enact a Constitutional amendment to impeach any federal judge, including sitting SCOTUS Justices, for failing to render decisions in accordance with the Constitution. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is in fact, and must be, regarded by the judges as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought of course to be preferred; or in other words, the constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents. On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment limiting all federal judges to 6 year terms in office, with a maximum of 2 terms of office in the Judicial Branch.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment eliminating any requirements of a law degree, or any legal experience, to be elected or appointed as a federal judge. This applies to all levels of federal courts, including the SCOTUS. Instead, candidates are required to have an inviolable reverence and extensive knowledge and understanding of the Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of the Constitution established our Republic. #31 and #32 are particularly important for federal judges to understand and master.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all candidates for any elected or appointed federal office be a natural born citizen to be eligible, and can't hold any other citizenship. These requirements apply to hold a security clearance or to be employed (to include volunteers) within the federal government.
Make it a capital crime for anyone in government to misappropriate, steal, or misuse our government funds, in any manner. Same principle as if you robbed a bank. The difference is it is a government public trust situation, and should have the penalty of forfeiting the life of any guilty party.
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to watch the 6-hour Constitution class taught by Michael Badnarik before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by prison and a lifetime ban from ever working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4)
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to learn this simple, but critical, principle before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by expulsion and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://mises.org/articles-interest/not-yours-give)
The problem is, most people have money deducted from their paychecks so there is no way of NOT paying. Besides if everyone in the US stopped paying, with my luck I would be the one arrested.
You guys still wearings masks! Take a focking stand! Stop paying, it's unconstitutional! During the plandemic I quit my job and got a measly severance after 24 years and 9 months! I was prepared to lose my house just to not play the plandemic game any at all! Put skin in the game! Refuse to play it! You have one life to live, make it purposeful even if you end up on the streets to stand for what is right! I told my wife and kids, in this corrupted country, I rather sleep in the park, than play their game! They all agreed! We came out stronger than before!
Yes this. I haven't filed in 15 years, except 2020, to get the stimulus, and got the full 'stimulus'. Then a couple letters. Otherwise crickets the whole time. Perhaps I'm lucky, or maybe that they're more bark than bite.
We still have a long way to go. Best thing to do is pay them and fight like hell to abolish them all together. Don’t want to put yourself in a bind.
Pay if you got something to lose
Our forefathers started a revolution over a 2% tea tax...the comment section cracks me up.
Paying Taxes to Caesar - Mark 12: 13-17
(Matthew 22:15–22; Luke 20:19–26)
13 Later, they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to catch Jesus in His words. 14 “Teacher,” they said, “we know that You are honest and seek favor from no one. Indeed, You are impartial and teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them or not?”
15 But Jesus saw through their hypocrisy and said, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to inspect.” 16 So they brought it, and He asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”
“Caesar’s,” they answered.
17 Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
And they marveled at Him.
It wasn’t the federal taxes that were rough, it was the state taxes! Ugh, such theft.
Make them pay for their malfeasance by forfeiting their wealth & retirement savings!
We still have a long way to go. Best thing to do is pay them and fight like hell to abolish them all together. Don’t want to put yourself in a bind.
Filing for extension. Mine are complicated this year and I'm pissed about the cortuption..
They won’t go to jail but if you don’t pay your taxes you will.
This won't effect the grunts.
PAIN AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
File for an extension and see if there is anything changing re taxes during that 6 mos
Q stared to follow the resignations! Worldwide! They know we know, once the people know, it's game over!
I paid ! It’s us patriots thst would be hunted down . IRS came after me once , a single mom , wondering how I could afford a yearly mortgage in San Diego that was higher then my yearly net income. They made the mistake with the amount of income I claimed / made but damn they were there with invisible guns and were ready to pounce . They will show up it’s horrifying !
Whats the current over/under on when the IRS will be deemed unsalvageable and then abolished? How many more tax returns are we filing, not counting this year?
Why do the Internal Revenue Code definitions for United States and State
for petroleum excise taxes include the 50 states (26 USC 4612 4(A) )
but for employment taxes they do not mention the 50 states (26 USC 3121(e) (1&2) )
i filed an extension, hoping its shut down before october. F it.
Just in case you didn't know, an extension is for the filing of the return, they still expect to be paid by April 15th. If you owe, penalties and interest will accrue for late payment. I'm not telling you what to do, but I don't think thr IRS will be abolished overnight.
I know but its like 1.5 percent and I will prob owe <1k, im just hoping and delaying the inevitable. Thank you for the look out.
At this point, anything can happen! I certainly agree that they've taken enough of our money!