The longer they stay in office the more they are corrupted by power. money, and ego.
We have a presidential election every four years and a president has term limits. House of representatives, and the Senate need the same.
The argument they give ist they need experienced leaders and two and four years do not give them enough time to know the rules but I argue that the longer they are in office the less they are connected to the people they represent.
Experienced leaders are the problem. They show newbies the ropes to graft and corruption, and they impede the ability to influence of anyone that won't go along with their committee assignments. The practice of buying assignments to committees should also be stopped and the assignment to committees needs to be made free of corruption.
There need to be term limits on committee membership. If representatives know the exact deadline for their departure, I think they will be more prone to set up a cushy quid pro quo salaried position for their future. Maybe they all do it anyway.
Many businesses have no compete clauses for their employees that leave. Congress should be no different. There should be rules in place to keep them from taking industry jobs in areas they had influence over while in Congress. Those rules could come with a specified time limit after which they would be free to do as they please but that time limit should be at least five years.
Kek. That's probably longer than many of them have left on Earth. I asked Grok for the 10 oldest members of CONgress (Senate and House combined)...
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) Age: 91 (born September 17, 1933)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Longest-serving Republican senator, in office since 1981.
Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Age: 87 (born June 13, 1937)
Chamber: House of Representatives (non-voting delegate)
Details: Represents the District of Columbia, in office since 1991.
Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY) Age: 87 (born December 31, 1937)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents Kentucky’s 5th district, in office since 1981.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) Age: 83 (born September 8, 1941)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Independent senator caucusing with Democrats, in office since 2007.
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Age: 83 (born February 20, 1942)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Former Senate Republican leader, in office since 1985, not seeking re-election in 2026.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) Age: 86 (born August 15, 1938)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents California’s 43rd district, in office since 1991.
( I thought she was at least 90)
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) Age: 85 (born June 14, 1939)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents Maryland’s 5th district, in office since 1981.
Rep. James “Jim” Clyburn (D-SC) Age: 84 (born July 21, 1940)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents South Carolina’s 6th district, in office since 1993.
(I think he died this year)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Age: 84 (born March 26, 1940)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents California’s 11th district, former Speaker of the House, in office since 1987.
Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID) Age: 81 (born May 3, 1943)
Chamber: Senate
Details: In office since 2009, announced re-election bid for 2026.
That is true of the current gang, but if term limits are imposed the following crops won't be headed to the geriatric ward when they leave Congress.
I have one concern with term limits. With elections being rigged and/or bought the cabal can just install new toadies with every new election, and since they know they will not be allowed to stay in office long they have no incentive to follow the wishes of the people.
They will find ways to grift the system, make no mistake. But term limits limit the damage done. More sloppy, rushed work that has to be pushed through.
As a counter argument, this will do nothing. Instead of having Pelosi in there for 50 years, we'll have a never ending parade of forgettable names out into power by money brokers like Soros et al.
It won't be better, and it'll make money harder to track.
Like I said - your elections aren't already stolen....so it probably hasn't changed much.
But imagine California or the national seating in the legislature.
I think it would be most beneficial for an amendment to rescind the popular vote of senators and give state governments back their say in federal affairs instead of implementing term limits.
Yep. Do you think Aunt Nancy goes out and commiserate with her common man constituents? I don't. She's well insulated by her staff and they don't want her influenced by a bunch of pissed off voters.
Not only that but the original idea that serving in Congress and Senate was a real service. You came from whatever state, didn't live in the DC area because you had to go home, and didn't make a boatload of money while serving. I'd say most were good with four years because it was a sacrifice, and you did it for love of country.
And the people serving were, I imagine, happy to leave DC and go back to their normal jobs when their term was over. They were probably much better statesmen than the people in there currently.
Term Limits would be good but I think one of the past action that played the biggest part in changing the U.S. from a true Representative Republic was the passage of the 17th amendment (Direct election of Senators)
Which would work to restoring the U.S. as a true representative republic, imposition of term limits, or revocation of 17th amendment?
Revoking the 17th Amendment would likely do more to restore the U.S. to a "true representative republic" as envisioned by the Founders, who prioritized a balanced federal system with states as key players in governance.
It directly addresses the structural erosion of state influence, a cornerstone of the original republic, and aligns with the Constitution’s design to prevent centralized tyranny.
While term limits promote fresh representation and accountability, they don’t tackle the federal-state imbalance and could introduce governance inefficiencies.
However, revocation risks public pushback due to reduced voter power, so its success depends on public understanding of federalism’s value. Term limits, while impactful, are a less fundamental fix for restoring the republic’s original framework. Final Answer: Revocation of the 17th Amendment.
100% correct. Term limits are a band aid on an otherwise broken system that do nothing to restore states rights at the federal level. Senators were specifically supposed to be the state governments voice in Washington
Each state can create their own law creating term limits, and make laws that forbid their representatives and senators from stock investments in companies that cross ethical lines. They can also create laws that allow them to fire representatives that break their oath of office. No recalls needed, no federal involvement. They are, after all, the state’s representatives, and can also forbid external money from people like Soros and all. Only state citizens can contribute.
The real answer is free and fair primaries and elections. Term limits won’t stop politicians being selected and installed, it will just mean we get new faces occasionally.
I'm worried about having a convention of states because we could end up getting seriously screwed and nothing that made us ask for a convention of states would get enacted. I could see an amendment that would prohibit criticism of certain groups and limitations on the 2nd amendment. We will never GAIN more rights, just lose more
Have you read how the delegates are chosen? So liberal states will send liberal delegates and moderate states will send RINOs. And conservatives will lose control— probably the rules will get changed and the Left will eliminate the 2A and any other constitutional language they don’t like.
This is such a bad idea.
We don’t need an amendment. Just change back to per diem pay and tighten laws and penalties for bribes,fraud, and insider trading.
Also, repeal the 17th amendment — that will help limit lobbys funding campaigns.
this convention should be opposed. All a state has to do is have their state legislatures write up an amendment to pass term limits. If a national convention is held, then there will be delegates who will propose numerous amendments, even scrapping the Constitution.
A convention of states is possibly the most dangerous thing that could ever happen to this country. The rules of the convention wouldn't be agreed on until the convention is already underway. What's to stop all those evil, corrupt bastards from throwing in a whole lot of other shit that we don't want and voting in rules that would guarantee they could pass whatever they want and stop whatever they want (such as term limits)? If we can't control them now, what makes everyone think we can control them when they get their filthy hands on a constitutional convention?
No it isn't.... You're confusing a "Constitutional Convention" with a "Convention of States".... They are two VERY distinct different things. Do some research.... Here I'll help
The trick I can see with such a setup is dynasties. Instead of dealing with 1 asshat for 6 -8 years, We how have to deal with their kids and all their family members.
I have always held this sentiment... TERM LIMITS ARE A COP-OUT FOR SECURE AMD ACCURATE ELECTIONS. If you're sick of a politician you should have the freedom to vote them out, if they do a good job they should be allowed to run as long as they like. I think tooooo much turnover also allows for nefarious actors to set up a pipeline of compromats to congress who will never represent your interests
The longer they stay in office the more they are corrupted by power. money, and ego.
We have a presidential election every four years and a president has term limits. House of representatives, and the Senate need the same.
The argument they give ist they need experienced leaders and two and four years do not give them enough time to know the rules but I argue that the longer they are in office the less they are connected to the people they represent.
Experienced leaders are the problem. They show newbies the ropes to graft and corruption, and they impede the ability to influence of anyone that won't go along with their committee assignments. The practice of buying assignments to committees should also be stopped and the assignment to committees needs to be made free of corruption.
There need to be term limits on committee membership. If representatives know the exact deadline for their departure, I think they will be more prone to set up a cushy quid pro quo salaried position for their future. Maybe they all do it anyway.
Many businesses have no compete clauses for their employees that leave. Congress should be no different. There should be rules in place to keep them from taking industry jobs in areas they had influence over while in Congress. Those rules could come with a specified time limit after which they would be free to do as they please but that time limit should be at least five years.
Kek. That's probably longer than many of them have left on Earth. I asked Grok for the 10 oldest members of CONgress (Senate and House combined)...
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) Age: 91 (born September 17, 1933)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Longest-serving Republican senator, in office since 1981.
Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Age: 87 (born June 13, 1937)
Chamber: House of Representatives (non-voting delegate)
Details: Represents the District of Columbia, in office since 1991.
Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY) Age: 87 (born December 31, 1937)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents Kentucky’s 5th district, in office since 1981.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) Age: 83 (born September 8, 1941)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Independent senator caucusing with Democrats, in office since 2007.
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Age: 83 (born February 20, 1942)
Chamber: Senate
Details: Former Senate Republican leader, in office since 1985, not seeking re-election in 2026.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) Age: 86 (born August 15, 1938)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents California’s 43rd district, in office since 1991. ( I thought she was at least 90)
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) Age: 85 (born June 14, 1939)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents Maryland’s 5th district, in office since 1981.
Rep. James “Jim” Clyburn (D-SC) Age: 84 (born July 21, 1940)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents South Carolina’s 6th district, in office since 1993. (I think he died this year)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Age: 84 (born March 26, 1940)
Chamber: House of Representatives
Details: Represents California’s 11th district, former Speaker of the House, in office since 1987.
Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID) Age: 81 (born May 3, 1943)
Chamber: Senate
Details: In office since 2009, announced re-election bid for 2026.
That is true of the current gang, but if term limits are imposed the following crops won't be headed to the geriatric ward when they leave Congress.
I have one concern with term limits. With elections being rigged and/or bought the cabal can just install new toadies with every new election, and since they know they will not be allowed to stay in office long they have no incentive to follow the wishes of the people.
They will find ways to grift the system, make no mistake. But term limits limit the damage done. More sloppy, rushed work that has to be pushed through.
It’s just like the movie, The Distinguished Gentleman starring Eddie Murphy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Distinguished_Gentleman
As a counter argument, this will do nothing. Instead of having Pelosi in there for 50 years, we'll have a never ending parade of forgettable names out into power by money brokers like Soros et al.
It won't be better, and it'll make money harder to track.
We have term limits here in Oklahoma, and it's working out great.
I don't know Oklahoma, but there's no one there already stealing elections, I presume.
https://okpolicy.org/term-limits/
We put it on the ballot directly.
Like I said - your elections aren't already stolen....so it probably hasn't changed much.
But imagine California or the national seating in the legislature.
I think it would be most beneficial for an amendment to rescind the popular vote of senators and give state governments back their say in federal affairs instead of implementing term limits.
We can do both.
If we think small,we win small.
Yep. Do you think Aunt Nancy goes out and commiserate with her common man constituents? I don't. She's well insulated by her staff and they don't want her influenced by a bunch of pissed off voters.
Here's are the buddies Aunt Nancy hangs out with:
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFFKGT/hard-alcohol-bottles-in-a-bar-FFFKGT.jpg
Demolish the current voting process period ! So simple. Go back to paper & hand counting.. It's like beating a dead horse 🤷
Not only that but the original idea that serving in Congress and Senate was a real service. You came from whatever state, didn't live in the DC area because you had to go home, and didn't make a boatload of money while serving. I'd say most were good with four years because it was a sacrifice, and you did it for love of country.
And the people serving were, I imagine, happy to leave DC and go back to their normal jobs when their term was over. They were probably much better statesmen than the people in there currently.
Term Limits would be good but I think one of the past action that played the biggest part in changing the U.S. from a true Representative Republic was the passage of the 17th amendment (Direct election of Senators)
I would like to see this amendment repealed.
Hear hear!
Which would work to restoring the U.S. as a true representative republic, imposition of term limits, or revocation of 17th amendment?
Revoking the 17th Amendment would likely do more to restore the U.S. to a "true representative republic" as envisioned by the Founders, who prioritized a balanced federal system with states as key players in governance.
It directly addresses the structural erosion of state influence, a cornerstone of the original republic, and aligns with the Constitution’s design to prevent centralized tyranny.
While term limits promote fresh representation and accountability, they don’t tackle the federal-state imbalance and could introduce governance inefficiencies.
However, revocation risks public pushback due to reduced voter power, so its success depends on public understanding of federalism’s value. Term limits, while impactful, are a less fundamental fix for restoring the republic’s original framework. Final Answer: Revocation of the 17th Amendment.
100% correct. Term limits are a band aid on an otherwise broken system that do nothing to restore states rights at the federal level. Senators were specifically supposed to be the state governments voice in Washington
agree with this!
Each state can create their own law creating term limits, and make laws that forbid their representatives and senators from stock investments in companies that cross ethical lines. They can also create laws that allow them to fire representatives that break their oath of office. No recalls needed, no federal involvement. They are, after all, the state’s representatives, and can also forbid external money from people like Soros and all. Only state citizens can contribute.
AWESOME, make it true for all 50 states
Post - https://x.com/ThePatriotOasis/status/1941847500807086241
I don't know when this was, if it is recent or not, this is what I've found so far...
Term Limits Convention Progress Map
A5 Pledge Signers in States That Passed Term Limits
The real answer is free and fair primaries and elections. Term limits won’t stop politicians being selected and installed, it will just mean we get new faces occasionally.
Going to back to per diem pay, instead of an annual salary, would solve A LOT of problems. Only get paid on days in session.
I'm worried about having a convention of states because we could end up getting seriously screwed and nothing that made us ask for a convention of states would get enacted. I could see an amendment that would prohibit criticism of certain groups and limitations on the 2nd amendment. We will never GAIN more rights, just lose more
True, there is no guarantee when you open up the Constitution for adding or removing amendments. It's dicey and must be done with that risk in mind.
https://conventionofstates.com/news/constitutional-convention-vs-a-convention-of-states
Have you read how the delegates are chosen? So liberal states will send liberal delegates and moderate states will send RINOs. And conservatives will lose control— probably the rules will get changed and the Left will eliminate the 2A and any other constitutional language they don’t like. This is such a bad idea. We don’t need an amendment. Just change back to per diem pay and tighten laws and penalties for bribes,fraud, and insider trading. Also, repeal the 17th amendment — that will help limit lobbys funding campaigns.
Incorrect.... You're confusing a "Constitutional Convention" with a "Convention of States"...
https://conventionofstates.com/news/constitutional-convention-vs-a-convention-of-states
this convention should be opposed. All a state has to do is have their state legislatures write up an amendment to pass term limits. If a national convention is held, then there will be delegates who will propose numerous amendments, even scrapping the Constitution.
https://www.commoncause.org/work/stopping-a-dangerous-article-v-convention/
Don't forget the mandatory Balanced Budget amendment .....
A convention of states is possibly the most dangerous thing that could ever happen to this country. The rules of the convention wouldn't be agreed on until the convention is already underway. What's to stop all those evil, corrupt bastards from throwing in a whole lot of other shit that we don't want and voting in rules that would guarantee they could pass whatever they want and stop whatever they want (such as term limits)? If we can't control them now, what makes everyone think we can control them when they get their filthy hands on a constitutional convention?
No it isn't.... You're confusing a "Constitutional Convention" with a "Convention of States".... They are two VERY distinct different things. Do some research.... Here I'll help
https://conventionofstates.com/news/constitutional-convention-vs-a-convention-of-states
The trick I can see with such a setup is dynasties. Instead of dealing with 1 asshat for 6 -8 years, We how have to deal with their kids and all their family members.
Congress was never meant to be a lifelong career!
4 terms in the House, 2 in the Senate. And reverse that piece of crap that had elected Senators.
I have always held this sentiment... TERM LIMITS ARE A COP-OUT FOR SECURE AMD ACCURATE ELECTIONS. If you're sick of a politician you should have the freedom to vote them out, if they do a good job they should be allowed to run as long as they like. I think tooooo much turnover also allows for nefarious actors to set up a pipeline of compromats to congress who will never represent your interests