Attention drug users / relatives: DEA warns of deadly new synthetic opioid 25x stronger than Fentanyl: nitazene
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actual bioterrorism at this point
Exactly fren
like, I can understand if someone is so arrogant and depraved that they give zero shits and just consume ungodly amounts of a drug and OD. But this is different. They're pressing pills that are sold as completely different drugs with the stuff and people take 1 pill expecting a Percocet but get poisoned to death by these Frankenstein opioids. This is an attack on the country.
I still don't get how they can make a profit with that business model
Low price point product, no repeat sales, no word of mouth advertising
Seems like a bad trade-off for not having to worry about customer service hassles
if it's warfare they aren't trying to make a profit anymore, it's about death
I guess that's the only way this makes sense, huh? Because why would any drug dealer want to purposely poison & kill their clients? Makes ZERO sense.
BUT.......when viewed through the prism of "this is literal bioterrorism from china / mexico / elites".......then it makes perfect sense......
Good way to clear out tons of the "useless eaters" I guess......?😱😐
They don't have to Spray us any more. 😵X25
Attention drug users!
Is there a huge illicit drug user community out here lol!
You'd be surprised at the # of closeted drug users out there who seemingly maintain the status quo until they get home, and many are weekend warriors.
Of every ilk.
Understand and please don't think I am poking fun at a tragic story. I just thought it was a bit like beginning a story about a new strain of gonorrhea with:
Attention practitioners of unprotected anal intercourse!
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Now that there's funny I don't care who you are!!
All is cool!
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Drug users want borders, low prices and safety too, same as anyone else
So do people, I suppose, that engage in unprotected anal intercourse.
Unpopular opinion perhaps, but I feel that if all drugs were legal we wouldn't be in this situation. Anytime a drug is banned, a new stronger and more dangerous drug is created that takes it's place. We then ban that one, and the cycle continues.
Weed was banned (which harmed nobody), and it was replaced by that "spice" stuff that is incredibly harmful and CAN/WILL kill you.
People could no longer get Oxycodone, so they turned to heroin. When they couldn't get that, Fentanyl became a thing. Now we have zenes.
If LSD were accessible, would BromoDragonfly ever have been developed?
In my opinion, make all drugs legal, Make sure people are educated on how they work, what the proper dosages are, and the benefits/risks of using them. If someone wants to use them, provide access to CLEAN drugs through pharmacies, and tax them just like Alcohol/Cigarettes/weed. Make it such that they're only legal when used in a private residence/outside the public eye, so we don't get BS like what happens in Portland OR or Oakland CA.
The drug definitely gets more concentrated because it makes it easier to transport.
I don’t use marijuana, but IMO it wouldn’t be as nearly as potent as it is now if it hadn’t been made illegal.
Its less potent than ever now if done properly through vaping and extracts. The vapor is much less dense. Anyone whose smart would use these outdoors. Flower is "old technology" if you ask me. Over the years, I dont feel people will be smelling it like you think.
Weed varieties in Canada are way more potent now than they used to be because weed got legalized. They basically have scientists pumping out freak plants that are way more potent because there's a legit and legal industry supporting it instead of some rube growing plants in his moldy basement
Did Prohibition work out? Did those who imported liquor make millions? Making something illegal does not stop the behavior. Abortion comes to mind...
Prohibition created the Mob.
And... the Kennedy family...
Oregon decriminalized drug use.
Overdoses spiked 700%
The point is that people who are addicts will find and use drugs/alcohol, whether it's legal or not.
I hate to be devil's avocado here but this isn't a slam-dunk, because Portugal decriminalized drugs and it resulted in a massive reduction in OD deaths.. https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight
I'd say the problem is an 'Oregon problem' rather than a drug problem. Whatever they're doing over there, it ain't workin
Correct. Moreover, it's a general ethics/morals issue unique to each person. As another anon mentioned in an above comment chain, there are many functional non criminal substance users.
Not everyone who uses a gun is a murderer, yet people are shot every day by a criminal with a gun.
What we are lacking as a society is a proper response to nonviolent criminal usage and those who can no longer care for themselves due to clinical addiction.
One possible solution is bringing back asylums. Of course there's so much reform to apply to the old base systems and plenty of opportunity for corruption, but potentially done to great success.
i'm down for asylums. Too many drug users clogging up the jails and they don't even get helped in there tbh
You don't want 'legal drugs', you want decriminalized possession. Meaning, if you get caught with MORE than a certain amount on you, they can hold you + charge you with trafficking.
That amount or less, and it's personal usage. Frees up the courts to not having to deal with drug users.
Caught using heavy drugs in public - rehab center for 24 or 48 hours instead of jailing them. At the treatment center they can get some food, a nice bed to sleep in, and be a safe place to "not be high" for a couple days. Might be the simple step a lot of them need to start getting off the shit.
I always used to think that decriminalization was better than legalization, but lately I've started to think full legalization is the way to go. The reason for my thinking is decriminalization does little to change/alter the supply side of things.
As long as drugs are illegal, cartels will control the supply, and bad/cut/unsafe product will flood the streets. Full legalization would allow the supply to be provided by registered, legal, safe businesses (pharmacies). This way if someone wants to buy a pill that contains 10mg of meth, it only contains 10mg of pure meth and nothing else.
The only issue then becomes, how do you regulate the industry, and how do you tax it/price the product? On one hand, the more restrictions and the higher the prices, the more likely people are to turn to a black market negating the benefits of legalization. However the opposite is also an issue, increase the ease of access by pricing too low and not having any restrictions on how much one can buy, and you may flood society with drugs even worse than we have now.
You need them to be cheap enough that everyone who wants drugs turns to legit sources instead of purchasing product from the black market, thus killing the cartels by taking away their market, but expensive enough that everyone doesn't just sit around doing drugs all day.
There will still be black markets because there will be limits on how much of a drug you can get at a pharmacy, just like currenty in states with legal cannabis. Problem is that Meth and Heroin are extremely addictive. 100x more so than cannabis. Then it completely rots the brain. It doesn't matter if you are doing it in your home. You won't have one anymore after a few months. It turns adults into 5 year olds. Legalizing it would do massive damage. The stigma of it being illegal is what keeps most people from trying it, for a good reason.
Should there be a facilty or place you can go with friends or self to try drugs in a safe setting? Maybe. I feel that even one hit of meth or Heroin is too much and can lead to one more time which makes them almost immediately addicted after that and their life is almost always ruined from there. Some drugs like Shrooms, lsd, molly, ext may be actually good of humanity if done in a proper controlled setting doing what the drug is meant for. Some drugs can really have a positive experience on people if done in a good setting, like DMT. But it has to only be once in like a year or longer atleast for that kind of thing. There needs to be many more studies on how psychological drugs and feeling drugs like percocet can help humans if used properly. But there will always be black markets and cartels unfortunately. We need law enforcement to take out gangs and reduce the supply. Lack of supply and sources is the key to reducing drug usage. If you cant find it, you can't do it. For young kids dealing drugs and addicted to them, they should be put in camps In farms and mountains that teach discipline and work habits. Not put in prison so they can find a gang to join. Happened to a kid I grew up with. Prison ruined his life I feel. He would have been far better off going to a camp and learning to be a man.
I am pro cannabis legalization on a recreational level. I feel it doesn't have the same detrimental affects. Has health and medicinal purposes. Nor it addictive like other drugs. People do need another legal vice other than alcohol which is much worse on every level really. Cannabis also offsets alcohol and arent necessarily good together. Many like one or the other. I dont feel every drug should be legal and easily accessible but I see cannabis as a vice that is safe for recreational and medicinal purposes.
I definitely understand how some of these drugs can be pretty addictive. I'm not one to shy away from, nor try to hide the fact that I've done a fair amount of drugs, at least more than the average person. Out of all of them, Meth is probably the only one I actually regret doing, I probably took it daily for a month and a half before learning firsthand exactly how addictive it is, and got out because I 100% knew what would happen if I continued down that path. I'm no longer bothered by it, but for the first 2 weeks after quitting I definitely wanted it, bad, and it definitely wasn't easy stopping. However, it was a choice, deciding to try it in the first place, continuing to do it daily after I tried it, and stopping was a choice as well. A personal choice, one I made, not one that I needed the government, or someone else outside of me, to make for me.
Psychedelics I feel are a net positive, I've done shrooms/lsd/dmt and probably at least 10x other lesser known psychedelics, and it's always been a positive/beneficial experience. It wasn't always fun, but I feel like I'm consistently a better person each and every time I do a psychedelic, but then again I tend to use them for self reflection/discovery, rather than some who will take them to party. That being said, whether you use one to analyze yourself and break yourself out of negative thought patterns, vs take a tab of lsd to party, is up to the individual taking it (a personal choice). They're like tools, can be used for improvement, or misused can cause harm. We're free individuals and it's up to the individual whether they are going to use the tools accessible to them appropriately, or misuse them. We all should have access to cars as they can be a useful tool, even though cars when misused can cause great injury to oneself and others.
I am definitely pro Cannabis legalization as well, however, Cannabis is just as much a drug as any other. It definitely is not as addictive as Meth, but it's definitely still addictive. You can argue that Meth is one of the most addictive, but I don't touch it anymore, yet I still have a joint almost daily. I contemplate not smoking, and I think about while puffing a joint. I'm sure if I wanted to stop I could, but it's not harmful, nor addictive like other drugs, so why would I, right? We minimize it and tell ourselves what we need to hear, so we can keep using the drugs we like without feeling bad about it. Even caffeine is a a drug. I tried to quit it once and had an awful week, I was tired, had headaches, felt like crap, and was very unproductive. It was almost as difficult as quitting the Meth! You would probably call me crazy saying that, but it's the truth! It wasn't that caffeine is anywhere near as physically/mentally addictive (it isn't), but it's so normalized and it's in everything. You start your day with your coffee, maybe have a soda at dinner, maybe drink tea throughout the day, etc. It just happens and most don't even think about it. I'm drinking a coffee even as I write this.
I just feel that attempting to restrict people from doing drugs will never work, the only way forward is actually educating people on their effects, benefits vs risks, and attempt to treat the "desire" to do drugs rather than the actual act of doing drugs itself. Back when I was in school we were told that all drugs are bad, and was told that Weed was just as bad as Meth! If we were properly educated on exactly how each drug works and what it does, perhaps I wouldn't have decided to do it.
Sorry, this was long, it's just something I feel fairly strongly about. I do understand where you're coming from and I'm not saying you're wrong, this is just how I feel about it
Stop with the common sense, when the only entity that should decide what each individual American adult puts into their own body, The Government, is clearly winning the drug war
But Canada legalized drugs and they are having a HUGE problem with the consequences of that
Thank you for posting this Winn!
March 5, 2001
Question:
Do they start pushing for (drug) legalization earlier than the war?
John Titor:
"It’s not really an issue of the government letting you do something; It’s more like they have other things to worry about... One of the reasons drug abuse isn’t a major problem in 2036 is because no one wants to die from it and EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID IS DEAD."
(emphasis mine)
This is personal for me because last year, I told this to a very, very dear friend of mine (who had long been sober and was doing great) and he still passed away from an overdose just weeks later.
Not a day goes by that I don't think about him.
I've been emphasizing this for a year and a half:
If you're a drug cartel, you have a certain degree of economic interest that your product does not kill too many of your customers...
BUT if the US military it's about to permanently dismantle your business, what would an evil person have to lose in poisoning the last batches going to market?
"... and E V E R Y O N E else who did is dead."
Now, listen...
Some are GREAT!!!
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LOL! I love good humor.
I read an article a few years ago, er doctors and police were mourning the days when heroin was the problem. Now with using these additives, recovery does not happen even in medical de tox, the opioid withdrawal is unpleasant, but it can be treated with sedatives and anti naseau , tylenol for pain, etc, but when the fentanyl is mixed with these other drugs, there is little that can help get people through, it can be constant vomiting, seizures. Hits of adulterated fentanyl can be bought for under 10 dollars, people on the street start using it, it makes living on the sidewalk bearable, surroundings dissolve with the high. Know the signs of opioid use, pin point pupils even in darker rooms, sweating, scratching, mood swings, sugar cravings, scratchy speaking voice, always borrowing money, feeling "sick", sleeping a lot. I do not believe in legalization, but I do believe in treating the addict like a suffering human, and using low dose opioid patches to get them through. As for sweeping up the streets, there should be mandatory confinement to institutions as they get clean, bring back the state hospital models please.
Yikes. This will definitely take some communities by storm. Human synthesized Darwinism.
If you watch Shawn Ryan show, the Dea has known about this for a while now. In fact there's already another more powerful drug than this one.
And it's been on the streets for a while now. The news just labels everything is fentanyl because it's more accessible to casual viewers. But otherwise yeah, we already know.
Drug addicts will flock to get it.
Now that the. DEA and the media announced it, without a doubt...drug addicts yes, but include youths and/or dumb asses.
Here's my take on it.
Be aware that this could be MEDIA HYPE that sensationalizes everything. When it comes to illicit, or in this case a "never heard of" drug by 99% of the population, it makes it all the more interesting, especially for youths and dumb asses to experiment.
NITAZENES ARE NOT USED IN ANY MEDICATION OR THERAPEUTIC MEASURE WHATSOEVER.
So, WTF, ALL OF A SUDDEN this is a dire issue, OR IS OUR ILLUSTRIOUS DEA & MEDIA TRYING TO CREATE ONE?
First of all, NITAZENES are not something new. They were developed in the 1950's as potential pain relievers but were never approved for medical use due to their high toxicity. Some nitazenes can be hundreds to thousands of times more potent than morphine, and some can be more potent than fentanyl.
Understood, I think the thing about it is that suddenly they are turning up in OD druggies in American streets out of nowhere
Well, true, but manufactured fentanyl is still the magical drug.
I don't even have a problem with Fentanyl or this other drug being stupid strong, my problem is that they're being passed off to people as if they were something else
and it seems to be a targeted killshot against Americans
allowed by our gov't even..
When someone od's on some dealers brand...it increases business
Ban Narcan.
This is a tough one for a response, but I know exactly where you're coming from.
I have known a gal for over 40 years. She became involved with a guy 20+ years ago. She is not a druggie - no alcohol, no cannabis, no illicit drugs, has a very good job, but she has cohabitated with a crack/heroin user for many years in a house that she owns. He is a quintisential loser.and abuser.
A year ago, she found him on the couch unresponsive and not breathing. She freaked the hell out, called me, screaming "Curt is dead, he's dead!" and hung up. What am I supposed to do? First of all, I live 1 hour away from her, and secondly, I know this sounds horrible, but I wasn't one bit upset about it. An hour or so later, she called me from a hospital emergency room. She called 911, initiated CPR, and brought him back to life. Now she has a supply of Narcan on hand.
Advice? Hell no, she doesn't want to hear it. Always has idiotic excuses. Nobody can fix a persecution complex or a drug addict unless they want to be fixed.
My problem with Narcan is that it's being glorified in order to normalize drug addiction.
Banning Narcan will save US taxpayers BILLIONS. It will cost the human traffickers TRILLIONS.
Absolutely!
What exactly are people who take these powerful drugs trying to accomplish ? It seems to me they lean towards suicidal ?