Going out with a loaded gun is asking for trouble. It doesn't matter if he didn't draw it and was disarmed before he was shot. Simply going out on the street with a loaded gun is enough to demonstrate intent, especially with two magazines, which is what President Trump is getting at in his post.
He presented a dangerous situation to officers by carrying a gun. Again, it doesn't matter if he didn't bring it out, just having it is a threat to the safety of law enforcement, so their actions are justified. The 2nd amendment was never about allowing people to recklessly endanger law enforcement. That might rub 2A people the wrong way, but we know that President Trump is making the right call here, so it is our duty to back him up on this.
My sister works there HERSELF. Knows the dead guy. All her coworkers are posting about this on her facbook right now. All obama drones and leftwing morons.
Quaint. You must be new to the big picture. Making judgement on minimal facts is how one refines their instincts after changing their opinions upon further facts.
But 72 hours is always a good starting guide line for the emotionally driven.
You still see or hear "the MSM make you irrationally angry" ? So I understand your ignorance.
Don't let the MSM make you irrationally angry, cool down...but I do like to see the propaganda the normies are subjected to...always safer to listen than to think and research on your own
He went downtown to interfere with law enforcement with a gun on his person. A very, very bad decision.
He's more concerned about illegal aliens being deported than he is about the politicians he no doubt voted for that stole billions in tax dollars.
There is a cacophony of noise around the ICE officers.
There was about one second between the gun being revealed and him being shot.
ICE officers want to go home to their families alive.
It is one thing to feel sorrow for the loss of life and for the people who cared about this man. It is another thing to make excuses for him. No ICE officer should be disciplined for this action. This is a man engaging in several very stupid decisions and things went badly for him. That's it.
This is the correct conclusion. He may have had a knife, maybe a second gun. May have reached for an officers gun. The fact that he purposfully put himself in danger, and especially in a way that was threataning to officers, resisting, etc. It is all on him what happened.
The main point: IT WAS HIS DECISION TO PUT HIMSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION. PERIOD. This was easily avoidable.
EVERYONE WITH AN IQ >40 KNOWS COPS CAN AND WILL JUSTIFIABLY DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND IF YOU HAVE ONE OR MORE GUNS AND ACT THE WAY HE DID, IT WILL BE JUSTIFIABLE DEFENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. NO ARGUMENTS. 100% HIS FAULT.
A person must take responsability for their actions, especially if you are gonna insert yourself into a situation like this.
Ultimate definition of FAFO.
No real need for further discussion until definitive facts/footage come in.
Not at all. Perhaps I should elaborate on my logic:
I have had a concealed carry license for many years. When one has that license and that handgun on their person, there is an enormous responsibility to be a little smarter, a little more patient, a little less quick to anger and to express good judgement around the police.
Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk. It's one of the reasons I've been a vocal opponent of frivolous laws on the books. Look no further than 2014's death of Eric Garner over a "loosey" cigarette. Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk and that risk automatically increases when you are legally armed.
This man took an extremely high risk action by inserting himself into a legal law enforcement action that didn't concern him. This is poor judgement when unarmed but extraordinarily poor judgement when armed. Doubly so when these legal law enforcement actions are surrounded by a cacophony of screaming & whistles & abuse, to say nothing of the pressure cooker that Minnesota & Minneapolis politicians have created with their rhetoric and radicalization of a portion of the citizenry.
Short of the entire crowd singing NWA's "Fuck the Police" at the top of their lungs, every ingredient was present for a law enforcement officer to get twitchy.
Conversely:
Though it was a poor decision by everyone who entered the capital building that day, Ashli Babbit was not armed. And her presence was directly facilitated by both the capitol police and those who commanded them. Ashli was not interfering with a law enforcement action and appeared to be picked almost at random for targeting. Perhaps most importantly, there was no reason for the officer to believe she was a threat to his person. That is not the case with Alex Pretti.
To be very clear, I am not a "Thin Blue Liner", it's an area of disagreement between myself and the President. But this situation is a pressure cooker and Pretti knowingly inserted himself directly into that pressure and increased it.
I mean, vigorously resisting does not equate death.
He's not hitting anyone, and I'm still not certain if he had the gun on him or if they just know he owned a gun, or had one in his vehicle and retrieved it after.
Well, if he wasn't in the middle of all that, he'd still be alive. I've got no compassion left for these criminals, none. If they felt threatened, that's the burden that needs to be met. Also, have you seen these videos on social media calling for people to kill ice? Don't you think the whole situation has an increased level of threat felt by the officers?
Middle of what? He was flagging traffic and he helped a lady who was pushed to the ground from the ice agent. Please show me what he was doing wrong to deserve to be killed?
He intentionally put himself in the way of law enforcement in the process of enforcing the law.
He came to cause trouble while he was armed.
He didn't leave when he was asked to.
The law enforcement officers are in the middle of a cacophony of screaming and whistles being blown and the time between the gun being confiscated and the perp being shot was less than a second.
I'm sorry, but I'm out of fucks to give. I feel bad for his family. But fuck this guy. I'm sick and tired of Leftist imbeciles that are more worried about illegal aliens being deported than they are about the politicians they voted for stealing billions from them.
Good luck in the next life is my advice to that guy. Hopefully he'll be a little smarter in the next one.
I'm struggling with this one, too. Having a hard time defending it. Pardon the Fakebookness, but this post is pretty damning, and if things are as they seem in this video, this is not what I voted for...
And I'm a little disappointed in Trump's response to it all. I mean, I get what he's saying and I understand his angle, but I think it throws out a ton of "insensitive" fodder to the lefties.
I’m not sure if this is the same video you sent me. Yes watch around 26 second mark you’ll see his right arm around one of the ice agents. You mean to tell me with one arm he was able to reach for his gun with 3 or 4 other ice agents on him and fire shots off? Watch very slowly and stfu
This does not exonerate the protester or justify the shooting as this is just another Anti-I.C.E. protester involved shooting with multiple angles and little context...sounds familiar... This situation happens quite often with law enforcement. Plenty of videos online showing similar situations either with an unarmed or armed suspect. My opinion, they swarmed him when the gun was identified, gray jacket agent removed the firearm and moments later the first shot goes off followed by a 1-2 sec delay before the follow-up shots. Since his gun appears to have been removed before the shooting it's not hard to see the possibility with how hard he is resisting them that the first shot was from him trying to grab an agents gun a then discharging said gun and the delay was rest of them reacting to it. You can see this with the slowed down video of the shooting.
In the video before the shooting he’s not doing anything wrong! Flagging traffic and sticking up for the lady who was getting pushed to the ground from the ice agents.
We're getting more and more closer to the Insurrection Act being invoked!
So military is the only way?
Going out with a loaded gun is asking for trouble. It doesn't matter if he didn't draw it and was disarmed before he was shot. Simply going out on the street with a loaded gun is enough to demonstrate intent, especially with two magazines, which is what President Trump is getting at in his post.
Armed is a death sentence? So much for the 2nd Amendment
He presented a dangerous situation to officers by carrying a gun. Again, it doesn't matter if he didn't bring it out, just having it is a threat to the safety of law enforcement, so their actions are justified. The 2nd amendment was never about allowing people to recklessly endanger law enforcement. That might rub 2A people the wrong way, but we know that President Trump is making the right call here, so it is our duty to back him up on this.
He was an icu nurse for veterans!! Pretty sad hope he gets the respect Ashli Babbit got
Many of those people are very left-wing.
My sister works with those people and they are all left leaning, in the healthcare, even the VA.
Don't think for a second that because they treat military, that they are pro military or right wing, even...
My sister works there HERSELF. Knows the dead guy. All her coworkers are posting about this on her facbook right now. All obama drones and leftwing morons.
Only liberals tell others to have no Judgement.
BZZT!!
Wrong answer.
Everyone on this board by now should know the 72hr rule.
Don't let the MSM make you irrationally angry, cool down, withhold judgement for 72 hours at which time we will have more information.
Quaint. You must be new to the big picture. Making judgement on minimal facts is how one refines their instincts after changing their opinions upon further facts.
But 72 hours is always a good starting guide line for the emotionally driven.
You still see or hear "the MSM make you irrationally angry" ? So I understand your ignorance.
The point of the MSM is to get an emotional response from the public.
So where is my ignorance?
How do you know what MSM is saying about Pretti or Good ?
It's the MSM, not like it's a big secret.
I'm not a fan, but I do like to see the propaganda the normies are subjected to.
" I understand your ignorance."
If you are not law enforcement pursuing illegal aliens. Or are illegal, and being pursued by law enforcement. You have no business there. Stay home.
I judge it.
He went downtown to interfere with law enforcement with a gun on his person. A very, very bad decision.
He's more concerned about illegal aliens being deported than he is about the politicians he no doubt voted for that stole billions in tax dollars.
There is a cacophony of noise around the ICE officers.
There was about one second between the gun being revealed and him being shot.
ICE officers want to go home to their families alive.
It is one thing to feel sorrow for the loss of life and for the people who cared about this man. It is another thing to make excuses for him. No ICE officer should be disciplined for this action. This is a man engaging in several very stupid decisions and things went badly for him. That's it.
This is the correct conclusion. He may have had a knife, maybe a second gun. May have reached for an officers gun. The fact that he purposfully put himself in danger, and especially in a way that was threataning to officers, resisting, etc. It is all on him what happened.
The main point: IT WAS HIS DECISION TO PUT HIMSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION. PERIOD. This was easily avoidable. EVERYONE WITH AN IQ >40 KNOWS COPS CAN AND WILL JUSTIFIABLY DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND IF YOU HAVE ONE OR MORE GUNS AND ACT THE WAY HE DID, IT WILL BE JUSTIFIABLE DEFENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. NO ARGUMENTS. 100% HIS FAULT. A person must take responsability for their actions, especially if you are gonna insert yourself into a situation like this.
Ultimate definition of FAFO.
No real need for further discussion until definitive facts/footage come in.
There were 4 shots fired.
The ICE agents do not start to move back until the first one is fired.
Then there is a pause, followed by 3 shots in rapid succession.
This is only speculation but he was resisting, decided to go for his gun, squeezed off one shot and ended up with 3 in the back for his trouble.
With your logic you’re fine with Ashli Babbit death as well?
Not at all. Perhaps I should elaborate on my logic:
I have had a concealed carry license for many years. When one has that license and that handgun on their person, there is an enormous responsibility to be a little smarter, a little more patient, a little less quick to anger and to express good judgement around the police.
Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk. It's one of the reasons I've been a vocal opponent of frivolous laws on the books. Look no further than 2014's death of Eric Garner over a "loosey" cigarette. Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk and that risk automatically increases when you are legally armed.
This man took an extremely high risk action by inserting himself into a legal law enforcement action that didn't concern him. This is poor judgement when unarmed but extraordinarily poor judgement when armed. Doubly so when these legal law enforcement actions are surrounded by a cacophony of screaming & whistles & abuse, to say nothing of the pressure cooker that Minnesota & Minneapolis politicians have created with their rhetoric and radicalization of a portion of the citizenry.
Short of the entire crowd singing NWA's "Fuck the Police" at the top of their lungs, every ingredient was present for a law enforcement officer to get twitchy.
Conversely:
Though it was a poor decision by everyone who entered the capital building that day, Ashli Babbit was not armed. And her presence was directly facilitated by both the capitol police and those who commanded them. Ashli was not interfering with a law enforcement action and appeared to be picked almost at random for targeting. Perhaps most importantly, there was no reason for the officer to believe she was a threat to his person. That is not the case with Alex Pretti.
To be very clear, I am not a "Thin Blue Liner", it's an area of disagreement between myself and the President. But this situation is a pressure cooker and Pretti knowingly inserted himself directly into that pressure and increased it.
I mean, vigorously resisting does not equate death.
He's not hitting anyone, and I'm still not certain if he had the gun on him or if they just know he owned a gun, or had one in his vehicle and retrieved it after.
Well, if he wasn't in the middle of all that, he'd still be alive. I've got no compassion left for these criminals, none. If they felt threatened, that's the burden that needs to be met. Also, have you seen these videos on social media calling for people to kill ice? Don't you think the whole situation has an increased level of threat felt by the officers?
With your logic this could have been done to any of us during COVID.
It could, and it was.
Middle of what? He was flagging traffic and he helped a lady who was pushed to the ground from the ice agent. Please show me what he was doing wrong to deserve to be killed?
There were 4 shots fired.
The ICE agents do not start to move back until the first one is fired.
Then there is a pause, followed by 3 shots in rapid succession.
This is only speculation but he was resisting, decided to go for his gun, squeezed off one shot and ended up with 3 in the back for his trouble.
Wait 72 hrs from the incident to get more facts.
Not a chance! I provided video of the ice agent removing his gun before shots were fired.
Lots of videos coming out. Looks pretty damning that he FA, drew and fired first.
Then he FO.
Please link because so far I've only seen potato quality footage.
Lol new account just posts anything that makes Trump look bad.
Could it possibly for someone to have multiple weapons in them?
I never said a word about Trump. He didn’t have more than one. If he did the doj would’ve released that info
Wrong! I’ve posted a video of a ice agent removing his gun before shots were fired. Hard to shoot someone with no gun and blind from pepper spray
https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/2015135900989079739?s=20
Video proof for you
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwikgLO4/here-it-is-slowed-down-first-sho/c/
From his picture, it's as if he converted to Islam. How much money did he send to Somalia?
How did an illegal get a gun like that in a city with gun restrictions?
He was born in the United States and had a permit to carry
Wow.
Nevermind ice agents took the gun from his waistband before they shot him
Yeah not really a good look for us. Hard to argue this one.
So much for your comment.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwikgLO4/here-it-is-slowed-down-first-sho/c/
I mean I want to agree with you, but that video does not tell me anything. It's literally just a circle circling some very unclear low quality ground.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwilnMSn/border-chief-greg-bovino-breaks-/c/
You are i sane if you think he didn't pull his gun.
Come on.
He intentionally put himself in the way of law enforcement in the process of enforcing the law.
He came to cause trouble while he was armed.
He didn't leave when he was asked to.
The law enforcement officers are in the middle of a cacophony of screaming and whistles being blown and the time between the gun being confiscated and the perp being shot was less than a second.
I'm sorry, but I'm out of fucks to give. I feel bad for his family. But fuck this guy. I'm sick and tired of Leftist imbeciles that are more worried about illegal aliens being deported than they are about the politicians they voted for stealing billions from them.
Good luck in the next life is my advice to that guy. Hopefully he'll be a little smarter in the next one.
I agree boss!!
I'm struggling with this one, too. Having a hard time defending it. Pardon the Fakebookness, but this post is pretty damning, and if things are as they seem in this video, this is not what I voted for...
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EBMymvWKS/
And I'm a little disappointed in Trump's response to it all. I mean, I get what he's saying and I understand his angle, but I think it throws out a ton of "insensitive" fodder to the lefties.
But who knows how things will look tomorrow?!
I haven’t watched the video yet did he pull a gun out on the ice agent?
He fired first.. https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2015133985337192841 sauce
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/01/video-contradicts-minneapolis-shooting-dhs-trump-alex-pretti/
You need new sources or find other videos. He never fired or pulled his gun out. His phone is in his hand as he was recording
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwikgLO4/here-it-is-slowed-down-first-sho/c/
Motherjones ? Really ?
WATCH AT :27
https://x.com/thepatriotoasis/status/2015135418392478047
https://x.com/osint1117/status/2015159143783612886?s=46
I’m not sure if this is the same video you sent me. Yes watch around 26 second mark you’ll see his right arm around one of the ice agents. You mean to tell me with one arm he was able to reach for his gun with 3 or 4 other ice agents on him and fire shots off? Watch very slowly and stfu
Nothing in this video showed he fired first
https://x.com/thepatriotoasis/status/2015135418392478047
Here you go.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwikgLO4/here-it-is-slowed-down-first-sho/c/
How many passports ?
How many passports did the guy who was murdered have?
No one was murdered ? WTF ?
I dunno, new video shows an ICE agent walking away with the guy's gun seconds before he was shot.
Starts at the 3:17 mark
You may be correct. The agent does appear to grab his gun just before he is shot.
Different angle: https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwijXxCL/-breaking-us-border-patrol-invol/c/
This does not exonerate the protester or justify the shooting as this is just another Anti-I.C.E. protester involved shooting with multiple angles and little context...sounds familiar... This situation happens quite often with law enforcement. Plenty of videos online showing similar situations either with an unarmed or armed suspect. My opinion, they swarmed him when the gun was identified, gray jacket agent removed the firearm and moments later the first shot goes off followed by a 1-2 sec delay before the follow-up shots. Since his gun appears to have been removed before the shooting it's not hard to see the possibility with how hard he is resisting them that the first shot was from him trying to grab an agents gun a then discharging said gun and the delay was rest of them reacting to it. You can see this with the slowed down video of the shooting.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARwikgLO4/here-it-is-slowed-down-first-sho/c/
..again, just my opinion.
In the video before the shooting he’s not doing anything wrong! Flagging traffic and sticking up for the lady who was getting pushed to the ground from the ice agents.
Do not fight armed people with policing powers. If only all the dead "innocent" blacks shot , would follow this rule too.
Huh?
As expected.
Watch and STFU. https://x.com/thepatriotoasis/status/2015135418392478047