I've got 1 percent left on my phone, so at the last minute I'm saying hello, because I like y'all (even if I'm not a follower/convert).
But while I'm here, I'll take any flak you got -- I won't argue or go into lib disproving mode. I saw the leftist AMA the other day and left disappointed, so I just thought I'd take the temperature of the board a little, from my nonthreatening obvious interloper account.
(And if I don't respond, it's because my phone died and I'll be back later, charged.)
Frustrated, furious, anxious, excited, cool as a cucumber -- How are you?
Unless you're a kool aid haired blm commie, in which case nothing we tell can convince you, welcome and I hope learn how to break through the propaganda.
We are not a cult and Q posts are not a bible. They're starting points to research, and different people may reach different conclusions. Discussion is a must, as were not a hivemind.
We offer you a punt kick down the rabbit hole, as It was offered to many of us since Q started posting.
^^^ THIS ^^^
Appreciate the punt kick -- I'm peering in on the rabbit hole for now, but if the rug gets pulled out from under me, I'll be here.
It doesn’t matter what color your hair is. You’re welcome anytime!
we are above small-brain concepts like left vs right. If you are truly a "liberal" - then you should enjoy the tons of terrible things Q implies about the republican establishment and past republican presidents.
If you think Q is a "right wing" movement- you have been lied to.
This ^^^
Maybe I should've said "leftist" instead -- in any case, one of the big targets for mocking/etc on this site in particular.
But yeah -- there's totally a Horseshoe Theory at play with the whole right-left thing.
The mocking is frustration. We feel that there is a part of the picture that a "leftist" can't see due to conditioning. It's not personal. Anyway, you are here observing and engaging and that's great. Really admirable.
I've got a link for you:
Please don't be offended by the title. This KGB guy gave his life to warn people about the ultimate nature of communism and what it's really for. "useful IDIOTS" is his term and it means supporters who are to be used and then discarded.
It'll fascinate you either way.
Stages of communist takeovers- Yuri Bezmenov (Leftists are useful IDIOTS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvXwuZ-bok
Please tell me what you think TIA fren
Ayyyyy, didn't even notice that, awesome :)
I may not be on the same wavelength as y'all, but I do recognize it's a wavelength worth learning about -- I'll be here until I'm not.
Gosh, by this point, I need to change my username.
Nothing offensive about the username.
We have always been willing to talk. I was a liberal Democrat until I re-registered after the 2016 election. I am a recovering addict. 12 years clean. I learned how to live happy and be productive by the 12 Steps. The Democrats started the whole victim thing and lost me. Victims are easily victimized. Victimhood allowed me to be a shitty drug addiction. That made me start looking. Dear God at what I found! It's the elites against ALL of us! Please join our fight! We love all humans. We need good hearted people who are willing to be open minded, study, and debate. Thats freedom! Hell, who am I kidding, we are fighting for humanity here.
I think that's called a loaded question? Like "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
Gotta back it up, rewind the assumption: I, frankly, don't believe the Dems did that.
In my mind, this is where we start trading evidence and debating points and ultimately hating each other and bitterly parting ways, but I'm totally cool skipping that part -- been a long day, I'm sitting here eating ice cream out of the container, I'm too happy to fight.
Here is how I think of it.
WHY WOULDN'T they do that?
This is for the most powerful position in the world pretty much. It can effect Trillons of dollars.
Yes.. I do think cheating happens more then we think it would. The position is too powerful for people to do it honestly at all times.
It's a structural thing isn't it.
Top down power structures concentrate power and attract cheats. Centralization supports and selects for oppression. That's the main reason I am anti-globalist
Why do you trust and empower the State?
I trust the State to a degree, because I trust people to a degree.
John Boehner had a good line about Congress (paraphrased from memory): it's some of the absolute best, worst, smartest, and dumbest people you've ever met. Apply that to all government and it fits like a glove, and the cost of citizenship is figuring out which people are which.
The constitution has much better quotes about the State and how it should be limited to fuck all besides defending the country and upholding the document which grants them their authority.
Also half of congress is unelected since the inception counting machines.
The State you must support as a modern liberal is the antithesis to the constitutional State.
As long as you're awake to the evil and tyranny of the world and willing to fulfill your American patriotic duty to fight it, you're ok in my book. Despite what you may have been told you don't have to be white, christian, male, republican, or anything else for that matter. "Come as you are".
If anyone flings shit at you, they're probably a shill. Where we go one, we go all. Not just a catchphrase!
Love the inclusion!
Glad you're here. And since you asked, I'm as cool as the center seed of a cucumber.
You may be surprised to hear that many of us here consider ourselves classic liberals. Meaning, we believe in freedom, free speech, etc. A bit different than the way the word is being used today.
Tell us a bit about yourself, if you're so inclined. Or ask us questions and we'll answer. Dialog is good and it might give us a chance to win you over. :D
Nope no hate in here.
A question, do you honestly believe that despite Biden only coming in 5th in his home state primary, Harris 13th or somewhere, Biden losing 18 bellweather states, yet still managed to gain approx 12 million more votes than Obama?
And have you seen or watched any of the arguments of evidence surrounding the election being fraudulent in 2020.
Regards.
Yes I do, because I recall who he was up against: the way I see it, voters wanted a more stable leader, after four years of Trump's unpredictability -- Sleepy Joe is more stable.
I have seen the evidence and watched the videos, but suffice it to say, it just doesn't hit me the way it hits the Q crowd.
I'm torn on elaborating; I started typing more and I wrote the words "cherry-picking" and "confirmation bias" and it honestly felt like I was trying to start a fight. I'll wuss out and leave it there.
Thanks for the reply.
So you have watched the video of the vote workers, who after the majority were told it was stopping for the night and went home, a handful stayed.
Then as per the CCTV dragged ballot boxes from under a table with blankets over it, and scanned them multiple times?
Have you really, without bias looked into the allegations of voter fraud? Have you seen the statistics, the impossible spikes in votes for Biden all in the middle of the night in places where the workers were told to stop and go home?
Have you listened to the evidence on how "weighted voting" was used? One example, in one of the tally's you see an entry for 1 vote. That 1 vote was split roughly 70/30 in favour of Biden. How can one vote be split?
Look I have no way in knowing if you are being genuine or not, I hope so, see through the "oh look crazy pillow man" etc and watch the following links where you will see all the evidence needed to understand the multiple ways the election was altered by those that wish the Country destroyed, possibly including yourself.
Regards.
https://cdn.michaeljlindell.com/downloads/absolute-interference.mp4
I have seen that evidence (this is my actual commenting account, I've been lurking since 2019) and this is where it gets to be a Rorschach test: you and me can look at the evidence, and we'll reach complete opposite conclusions.
I swore I wouldn't get argumentative so I'll tread lightly here, but what I see in those videos/evidence is an unfathomably complicated process that is ripe for conflicting interpretations (not to mention honest misunderstandings, and some bad faith trolls spreading misinformation).
I'm afraid you are simply plain wrong, and most likely your bias is because you don't want to believe. The figures/stats don't lie. Neither do the IP addresses, and even computer serial numbers, we have it all.
It's funny though isn't it, because plenty on the left were very willing to believe that Justice Kavanaugh was a sexual predator, and even a rapist. Despite the star witness never having anyone else to corroborate her story. Didn't know where or when this took place, and yet the left were quite happy to believe Blasey - Ford.
Stormy Daniels the same, and that one that accused Trump of rape, even the great "Russia hoax" peddled by the left's MSM for years. I hope you realise that the FBI published a report stating that Hilary ordered the "Special boat project" (a reference to the fast patrol boats from Vietnam) to provide cover for her email and server scandal. HRC/DNC paid for it from Steele, it's there in black and white. The so called Russian hackers the DNC named, well they took the DNC/crowdstrike to court, and crowdstrike settled.
So you won't look at actual evidence of election fraud provided by several IT specialists that are neutral, hell a few are registered Democrats, but you will believe a woman who was clearly lying to try and frame a good man, to stop him getting a SCOTUS position. Pure politics, pure and utter bullshit.
PS Biden averaged 11 people at his "rally"s" over the election run up, the other day had 700 odd people watching him give a speech, yet you also believe he gained 81 million plus votes? Sure, that's bias.
Still consider myself a classical liberal... The commies stole that word like so many others, they are all about control by force.
Why do people who lean Left actively outsource their thinking to their leaders? As you say "Adherence to Dem ideology".
What are your defining characteristics which make you a "liberal"?
Adherence to Dem ideology, give or take. Liberal politics gels with my beliefs more than conservative politics does.
Most of us here don't adhere to Republican or Democrat parties we know they're the uniparty and despise the people. We want self government back. MAGA. If you're a globalist you won't find any common ground here. The uniparty are Great Reset one world government stomp on non conforming Patriots of any nationality traitors to our Constitution.
Correct!
That’s a broad and uninformative reply. Define “Liberal Politics” define your beliefs and your perspective of “Conservative Politics” if you would please. A wholesome description of those you may find draw us closer together than further apart. Welcome aboard!
Of course it does, the promise of a utopian society where everyone is taken care of and every person has a place. It's a fallacy and a lie, there is no system that can sustain the masses without hard work, not everyone wants to be your neighbor (western world vs east), diversity of thought is good, but diversity of culture is not a strength.
Every truth you've ever been told is a lie and when you finally wake up you'll be angry but free.
Just remember, I was you once.
I once was this toi!
What specific policies or actions do you support? Do you support unfettered immigration? Universal basic income? No voter ID? Etc.
will you accept the results of the current and future audit? im being sincere
If the current and future auditors prove reliable, damn skippy.
Im a liberal as well, thats not what this forum cares about. Critical thinking is being suppressed by the corporate media, and this is one of the last places ive found where free thought isnt banned.
Just think about the phrase "trust the science." its simply a way to stop people from thinking for themselves. "Trust" is synonymous with "faith," which means the phrase is closer to religious than scientific.
If Pappus "trusted the science" he wouldn't have been thrown into the sea with a stone tied to his neck.
All welcome. ?Just be respectful of everyone’s differing opinions as we will be respectful of yours.
If I slip up and fall into aCkTuAlLy mode, call me out on it.
Have you explored the reasons you are an authoritarian?
That's a job for my therapist.
Do you believe people must be governed by others? Or do you believe an educated public, as adults, have the ability to govern themselves?
This is a great time to be alive...glad to see you searching... hard to know the Truth right now... seek and you shall find... Hang in there!
Will do :)
Welcome to the debate fren. All are welcome for constructive debate and serious investigation. The truth is paramount in all discussions and research whichever area of the political spectrum you hail from. Whole range of disillusioned people here for one reason or another looking to get to the bottom of life. Sincere respect for reaching out to what may be viewed as 'the other side of the aisle' (though this concept should be discouraged- we should not be seeking difference, we should seek the ideals which unite, our leaders would have to enact serious change if we combined)- it is something each of us should consider doing even if just for a reality check.
Cool as a cucumber
What sites do you read regularly? Have there ever been any times in your life when you've changed your mind on an issue?
For politics? Washington DC journalists' Twitter accounts, and posts on this site. Gives me a good variety of takes on the day's events.
For fun? Movie subreddits, I'm a movie fan.
I've changed my mind a lot over the years; I've been through a few big dramatic life experiences, and nothing opens your eyes like a bad time.
Which journalists do you enjoy? Thoughts on Substack replacing big journalism?
I definitely prefer reading individuals over an anonymous and unaccountable editorial board. I remember a while back around 2008 there was even a real journalist working at Bloomberg and I'd keep an eye out for his articles. Jonathan Weil maybe?
Edit: Have you ever checked vigilant citizen.com ? If you enjoy the Q stuff here you might find their movie reviews compelling.
Please stick around, anyone who wants to debate honestly is helping us all in my opinion.
I'll be here until I'm banned, he said, tempting fate.
Pretty much as long as you aren’t being an argumentative dick you should be fine.
Disagreement is fine. Group think isn't really very useful.
Amen to that, brother.
Pretty much all liberal at one time, then we grow up and mature
I can promise the former but not the latter.
Don’t care who you are (and it usually doesn’t matter, unless you’re a certain guilty party in question) as long as you keep having questions to fire off.
94 out of 100 inquisitive minds (like you hopefully) will end up here or anywhere else that’s trying to actively seek out answers.
All we really ask is that you take the time to research the stuff on the sidebar.
All I have to say to liberals is find out the TRUTH and use common sense when digesting it.
No hate just feel sad for you
And that's fine :)
Aww thanks lol -- sometimes the shilling/backhanded instinct speaks up, I gotta admit. This is the internet, it's a tough habit to break.
Account name check out. Lol
Not a very good secret liberal, I'll admit.
I am curious as to your take away from this group. Are we the hate filled extremists the MSM paints us out to be? Or are we something else entirely? If hate filled extremists, then what post(s) helped to reenforce that conclusion? Or even the comments of the post.
Hopefully we have demonstrated a desire for truth and understand, as well as, the ability to discern and to think critically both individually AND as a group.
Damn, good question -- From what I've seen, no, this is not a hate-filled extremist group, but then again, that's not what I expected to find here. If I thought this was a violent extremist group, I wouldn't have come here: I have no interest in playing with fire.
What I've seen here doesn't fall under that category; I've never read a post here that made me go, *Wow I should call the FBI."
What I have seen is kind of a.... extreme frustration, like a perpetually-delayed gratification that is really, really, really, really, really eating away and weighing people down.
That doesn't make a person violent, but I think it can make a person desperate, and desperation can take a person in all sorts of directions. When I think about "the threat of Qanon" or whatever the news calls it, what comes to mind isn't right now -- it's three months, six months, a year from now, if/when the gratification is still delayed.
Thank you for that answer. You clearly put thought and effort into your response, that is not something I am use to with liberals I work with.
You are right, there is frustration. That frustration stems from the desire to see this nations potential unleashed. A desire to do something to make a difference, to join in the fight to save our country that we see being ripped from it's foundation. We are called "conspiracy theorist" only to be vindicated weeks/months/a year+ later. If you have been here long enough and paid attention, you have seen those articles side by side. There is never any acknowledgment that the "conspiracy theorists" were right.
You are right, there is a desperation, and as we are pushed closer to this precipice of destruction you will see people fight back. It won't be subtle, but sudden and jarring for the country. It will be like the shot heard round the world.
It is frightening to think of, but the farther down the rabbit hole I go the less I think that moment is avoidable. I pray I/we are wrong. Time will tell.
Right on -- this is a "time will tell" kind of era we're living in.
But it won't be. Free people will prevail. Eventually. We're all in it for the long haul. Q or not. These people (the elites) are so intertwined in business and person; it's unbelievably incestuous (hyperbole, sorta) and they are criminals against ALL people, even you. Keep looking if you don't know it yet, you will. This has been refreshing! Please do come back! Loved this interaction. I always believed America was great because of debate and compromise. It kept us middle of the road and stable. Too far either direction becomes tyrannical. We NEED these conversations! Thank you!
I'll be here!
Crossing my fingers, fren
God I wish. You should see the taxes I just filed.
1% battery
Material wealth in this world is nothing to envy
I'm fine, thanks fren
Right on brother, glad to hear it.
Honk honk motherfucker??
Honestly I’m happier than a tornado in a trailer park! WE are winning. And as in We, I mean Good vs Evil.
Although the majority of us have ALWAYS been Conservatives or became Conservative when we grew up, there are other Liberals among us who are learning the truth.
Looks like you have been around in here for awhile since you no longer have a handshake. Good! You are someone we can engage with without your getting banned.
There are a number of prior Bernie bros in here that I am aware of. We don't care about your political leanings. The evil is on BOTH sides of the aisle. We are not about right or left but right and wrong.
We don't call them the Globalist UniParty for nought.
That being said. We are all in here for the Truth
Are you ready to learn it? It will change your entire life. The more I learn the more I realize how much evil has been out there.
What are your thoughts on state's rights?
Important but finite.
EDIT Adding on -- analogy off the top of my head: the USA is like a mom and dad and fifty unruly teenagers at home, with an "our house, our rules" system. The teenagers can do whatever they want: California can dye its hair blue, Florida can do Florida things, but just don't break the overarching rules the house requires/prefers to run on. In return, there are some serious benefits to living under this particular roof.