It really looks like Maricopa is going to open a dam, but what does this mean? Is there any legal precedent?
Let's leave aside the presidential race. I don't think there is any legal precedent there for a stolen election, or, if there is, it certainly goes back a ways. What about the congressional elections and other elections? Would this mean special elections, or just swapping the people out, or what? Any lawfags out there with sauce?
According to several court cases, including the SCOTUS case United States v. Throckmorton the ruling is that fraud vitiates everything.
What does this mean?
So while the relief is not known (by me), the employment contract signed by Joseph R. Biden becomes invalidated if it is shown that it was entered into using fraud.
This could mean it would default to the person with the second most votes. It could mean there would have to be a new election. I don't know. What it does mean is that Biden would lose his job. He would be subject to potential criminal prosecution. All of the policies he put in place, and all of his appointments would be null and void.
Everything he did while under the fraudulent contract would be reversed.
Fraud vitiates EVERYTHING.
DoD Law of War manual is the key to understanding what happens next. The military will take over at some point temporarily. We won't just go straight from Biden back to Trump. "Military is the only way". Myanmar was a sneak preview for the rest of the World.
And, not only does fraud vitiate everything, it does it right when the fraud is committed, not when it's discovered or proven.
Thus Biden NEVER WAS PRESIDENT. In fact, the instant he conspired to commit treason, he disqualified himself from office, before the act itself was ever committed. Hence he never won the election and therefore never served in office.
The clip of Biden talking about the most sophisticated voterfraud setup is going to be pretty relevant also.
Exactly.
Would there have to be proof that HE himself knowingly committed the fraud?
LOL president houseplant can't open a Pringles can. All his handlers did the work.
POTATUS doesn't act like an actual dementia patient.
POTATUS acts like an actor pretending to be what we expect to see as a dementia patient on tv, with extremely absurd comedic moments you'd see only on Monty Python.
No Ma'am. Just that fraud occurred. See US v Throckmorton.
Combine this ruling with the legal ruling of Quo Warrento, and I think we have a likely picture frame.
Actually I believe it states that "corruption" vitiates everything. I believe.
Fraud vitiates everything.
Corruption is fraud.
I have wondered the same thing. I am here in NC. They didn't "know" who won our state for President but they knew that night that our incumbent governor had won. Weird. We have a Democrat governor and a Republican lieutenant governor. Unfortunately, the guy who probably really did win as governor (our former lieutenant governor) conceded. =( Rumor has it that the former lt. governor was told that his brother could keep his job if he conceded. We LOVE our new lieutenant governor (Mark Robinson). Would Robinson take the helm as our new governor if fraud was discovered or would the rightful winner (Forest) get sworn in? Forest and Robinson would have made an unforgettable team!
Mark Robinson is awesome! https://greatawakening.win/p/12i48fTsmL/an-awesome-inspiration-nc-lieute/c/
I think the audits may be pressure points that lead to the unsealing of massive amounts of indictments, much to do with the 2016 & 2020 elections. The evidence would be insurmountable, an onslaught.
well it has never happened before, if they come out and show that instead of 10-100 vote difference (has happened before) there are suddenly 50k-100k it will be the first time something like that has ever happened
I do not believe there is any legal precedent for how to correct such blatant cheating but in a perfect world they figure out the source of the cheating and be rid of the vote for everything the source had their hand in which would inevitably null the whole election
This is correct. The constitution always assumed some level of gov’t would be there to insure accountability. In this case, there is none or very little and it’s my belief that the military may be the only option to force an accurate vote. Autists with more knowledge can correct me.
Not for POTUS.
It has happened for other elected positions.
Judges in those cases either ruled the election null and void or appointed the true winner.
One state will would not change the overall outcome of the electoral vote. More audit must be completed. The AZ audit has opened the door for demanding more audits around the nation. Once it is established in one, more states will perform forensic audits and once it is clear to the public how wide spread the issue really is, the military should step in
prove they cheated in one state, they lose.
There are already audits going on in other states, look at GA, NH and MI.
NH is going to be bust. I have seen in passing posts that the people who were seleted to oversee the audit are rats.
Typically the courts try to stay clear of political issues. There was a gerrymandering case where SCOTUS ruled it was a political matter and should be resolved by the political branches of government. Don’t remember the name but f the case. Keeping that in mind this scenario could be possible. Curious to hear others thoughts.
State Legislatures decertify fraudulent results and certify the true results, including down ballot races.
States control their Congressional and Senate elections. They remove fraudulently elected members and send the truly elected members to Washington.
Control of House and Senate flip to Republicans with comfortable margins.
State Legislatures plus Citizens demand Presidential Election is decertified and true results are certified. They cave to popular pressure and do it. Biden is removed and President Trump is reinstated.
Due to the unprecedented situation some type of accommodation is made for President Trump to serve a full four years or run again in 2024.
Dems file lawsuits, but courts do not take them up on technicalities cited in earlier cases.
Also seems that Pence letter on January 6th, could come into play. That’s just a complete hunch. Between President Trump saying it would take more courage for Pence to do nothing and the way the letter was worded, it seems connected.
I like #1 and would love it if we could go back a few years and get rid of our governor here in New Mexico!
I don't know enough about the process to assume how Trump will replace XiDen but I do know that the military will be required to put down all the rioting that will inevitably take place once the sheeple realize their dear leader is a fraud OR they simply refuse to accept reality and riot out of pure contention. Either way, shit is going to hit the fan.
I will assume that the truly good governors will have a military liaison to advise them through this correction-the bad ones (you know who you are) will be arrested and a military officer will be governor pro tem to correct the state results down ballot. However it goes down, there is NO precedent.. EVER...
I am expecting the Democrats to drag this out by whatever means they can get away with.
We would enter a scenario equivalent to if the entire civilian government were incapacitated. We would enter martial law.
No. It is uncharted territory for our country. All we have are legal theories about how the constitution might could be applied to remedy the situation. But there are a lot of legal variables that need to be factored, and it's impossible to predict what would happen with and degree of certainty. We'll see what happens.
Too mild. We have all the evidence needed to convict (thanks Adm Rodgers & others).
This global, criminal cabal, which is inflicting all this misery on us, needs to be exterminated. There'll be a Great Global Reset for sure; however, not as those bastards intended. Think how much good we could do for each other when we get our bazallion$$ back, all bank debts cancelled, no more income tax. #NESARAGESARA. Signed in 1963-ish?
True. Arrests would eliminate many courtroom battles over ambiguous constitutional election laws. But arrests would have stopped the fraud election from ever happening in the first place, so why didn't that happen already? My guess, traitors within the republican party establishment prevented it.
Arrests only work if there are people with authority willing to make those arrests. Perhaps we need to find legal council to advise the public on how we the people can legally exert our right to make citizen arrests against legitimate criminals? Perhaps a crowd funded operation to hire lawyers, and legal scholars to advise the public on our legal rights to arrest criminals...
Remember when we have been told many times by numerous people: "It had to be this way".
Because letting them complete the fraud was part of the plan from the beginning?
Here is what Sidney Powell said yesterday about this:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/simply-reinstated-new-inauguration-day-set-sidney-powell-speaks-tx-happens-fraud-exposed-video/
drag Biden and cameltoe out by the earlobe , send them to gitmo
As I understand it, per a Supreme Court ruling (Throckmorton v ?)?, proven fraud in an election vitiates the entire event. There is no recourse to appeal and the defrauded is declared the winner. End of.
Bring it on. We need to get to tribunals:
"Sergeant at Arms, march in the guilty bastard".
Adj Gen: "How do you plead?"
Defandant: "Not guil" - bdangg bdangg dang dang". That's for traitors.
Adj Gen: "Next".
Ok, a bit extreme. Maybe some of them could spend the rest of their lives in orange jump suits in an appropriate facility for seditionists & career criminals.
The more I think about this the more I think one state flipping/decertifying HAS to mean Biden is instantly removed, possibly tried for treason. Could you imagine if we set a precedent that you could get away with cheating in a presidential election to take control of the most powerful country in the world as long as it you only cheated in a small number of states? As Q said, “fraud vitiates everything”. I think what we will see if/when AZ flips is that the military will instantly take over.
In my opinion, once the fraudulent/illegal ballots are identified & the legal ballots are counted, there isn't a need for a new election.
It would be great if the person elected through fraud congratulated the rightful winner & stepped down. But that's not gonna happen.
The rightful winner ciuld file a quo warranto where the seated official would have to show in court under what authority they're hold the seat. In my opinion, this would be the best course of action. If the seated official cannot prove they legally won the election, they'll be forced to vacate the seat & the rightful winner will be seated. Of course this would be dependent on the judiciary hearing the quo warranto.
As far as the presidency, AZ flipping to Trump will only result in their 11 electoral votes moving from the Biden column to the Trump column. It will not result in a change to the outcome of the election. This is why it's so imperative for other states to do forensic audits. Once Trump has 270 electoral votes, maybe he files a quo warranto & the military removes Biden when he fails to prove he legally won the election.
If AZ is proven to have been stolen by deliberate fraud, then the election was fraudulent, and Biden is disqualified. There's no certain amount of fraud that's acceptable.
Not really. Intentionally defrauding an election in a single county is actually sufficient to disqualify a candidate and hand the entire election to the opponent who got the most votes without cheating.
But yes the more the merrier!
War. They will not let go of power no matter how much proof is shown.
No, we guess our asses off but we don't know jack shit about the future except we win.
Elections will be decertified. Then a new election or trump potus.
Does anyone here know? Probably not.
Does anyone know? Probably yes.
We are past 100 days of senile joe but they are trying to run the clock out. What happens if they continue to slow play this and we find the truth with 10 months left in this term. More states need to be audited but it’s happening very slow.
The short 2nd term is how Trump will end up with a 3rd term. Lord knows he'd have my vote again.
The way it is now the Constitution says a person can be president for 10 years under the right conditions.
Fraud.
Vitiates.
Everything.
Nothing happens. Or all hell breaks loose when nothing happens.
Does anyone really truly believe anything will happen? I see it as a continuous legal battle with no resolution over and over
NOT ONE FUCKING THING WILL HAPPEN. There will be a lot of tisk-tisk, strongly worded letters, speaches and tough talk by people like Lindsey Graham, denial and justification by Nancy and Chuck. Hearings, investigations, payoffs and book deals. But at the end of the day it will be up to us to make the changes we want. The government is incapable of fixing itself.
Bless. You really haven't been keeping up, have you?
Ignorance. Personified.
don't reply to these lefty bitches, you making his efforts to gain attention worth
According to SCOTUS, it's all moot. So unless Myanmar Part Deux unfolds, we're screwed.