The child always follows the allegiance of the father. http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/meaningofnaturalborn.html
Harris was born Oct. 20, 1964, and her father was a citizen of Jamaica at the time of her birth.
Specifically, Chapter 2 (entitled Citizenship) of the Jamaica Constitution, Section 3C states:
Every person born outside Jamaica shall become a citizen of Jamaica –
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on the sixth day of August 1962, in the case of a person born before that date; or
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on the date of his/her birth, in the case of a person born on or after the sixth day of August 1962,
if, at that date, his/her father or mother is a citizen of Jamaica by birth, descent, or
registration by virtue of marriage to a citizen of Jamaica.
Obummer made it to president even tho Kenyan. They don't care about the Constitution or the rules at this point.
Also we will get Pelosi if Kamala cant be VP lol.
Everyone would get ice cream.
Fun Fact: Did you know that Biden can eat ice cream as fast as he wants without getting brain freeze?
Funny! I thought he gave it away to little girls though?
Can't freeze something that's not present....
That’s a clever way of pointing out he is brainless.
Expensive kind I heard
Ben and Jerry, liberals...
I think his real dad (sire) was more likely Frank Marshall Davis, an American.
Yeah. I was always told in school you have to be a natural born citizen which means your parents have to BOTH be citizens and you have to be born in the US or a US territory.
That's the law. But you're assuming the law actually matters.
Whoever told you that was mistaken. Natural born citizen means you must be a citizen of the United States at and by birth. Your parents and their nationality are irrelevant.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen
I know exactly what I am talking about. While natural born was never formally defined in the constitution, every single legal president up to and including the Supreme Court has affirmed that it means born in the US, and has nothing to do with the citizenship of parents.
Your baseless interpretation would also mean that at least nine former US presidents were ineligible.
Wrong.
Anyone in the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. that’s basic law 101. Even tourists here are sibjec5 to the jurisdiction of US law. Everyone, even people on student visas.
If some tourist commits a crime, can they claim they are not subject to US law? Of course not, because universally, in every country on earth, people in a country are subject to the jurisdiction of that country.
So why include the clause at all? Because (and every country has some version of this) it excludes those few individuals who are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the country they are in: Diplomats and posted serving military.
And that the way it works. Children of diplomats born in the US are NOT granted citizenship.
That’s what the ‘jurisdiction’ issue refers to. I’m a touch surprised you didn’t know this, as even 10 seconds on Google would show you the universal legal interpretation as I have said, and how it has been applied throughout history. Your claims are simply a deliberate attempt to ignore reality.
No, you didn’t.
You cited several regulations, and then wildly misinterpreted them.
I know exactly what jurisdiction of the law means. So does every law book ever written, which entirely agree with me. YOU do not.
Let’s start with a simple one: please support your claim that persons in the US on work visas are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country, and not the US. Because your provided link says nothing of the kind. Please provide snd evidence this claim is true, as without it you have nothing.
Fucking fight me fag.
Cowardly posturing. How boring.
This is often the general view. I (and others) consider this to be total bullshit.
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1646&context=jcl
Why would we need "natural" in the wording? The Founders intended to mean someone who no statute made a US citizen, but who was naturally a citizen by birth.
Harris' parents were guests in this country when she was born. Not citizens. She might be American. But she is not Natural Born.
yes IIRC the supreme court has not really made it clear at all. There is a difference or should be a difference between native born and natural born. native is you were born here. but natural born means you have citizen parents even is you were born overseas. same thing with the anchor babies, that is total bullshit and arbitrary. just because some foreign even illegally here person give birth to you but on US soil that makes you an American? total bullshit. most other countries citizenship laws don't work like the US for good reason. On this point US citizenship laws are dumb and guarantee future problems (invasion by millions of enemy infiltrators loyal to foreign powers).
the whole point of the 'natural born' assuming by both parents as US citizens, is that the president would have no divided loyalties to foreign powers or at least distant as possible such as grandparents from some other country.
Our views are the same on this.
Salute.
That may be your view, but it is not backed by any kind of precedent or caselaw. Your interpretation would also mean that at least nine of our past US presidents were ‘ineligible’ for having foreign-born, foreign citizen parents.
So these nine Presidents had not a single parent who was American when they were born? Please name them.
Also, most caselaw made in the last one hundred years I consider to be complete horseshit written by Commies.
Firstly, that’s moving the goalposts. nowhere in any document or ruling does it say what you are claiming about one or both parents required to be citizens. You are in no way talking about law, but talking about what you wish was law.
Secondly, it is entirely your prerogative to ignore the last hundred years of caselaw, but that’s not the way the country works, or was supposed to work.
To be entirely honest, I find your disregard of the US Constitution and the supreme court to be quite… Liberal
My views stem from the Constitution and if I wasn't clear on the first post that "one parent must be a US citizen at the time of birth" then I will "clarify" it. No need to "move the goalposts".
Of course I mean that at least one parent must be an American at time of birth, and that the person must be born on US soil. The issue with "Natural Born" is what is meant by Natural Born. And the Founders had no concept of an "Anchor Baby". And neither should we. This interpretation of the 14th Amendment is perverted and wrong. The 14th Amendment was authored to be about Freed Slaves. Not whoever wanders onto our patch.
Kamala Harris is not Natural Born. For me she should have not been considered even a citizen, at birth.
And yes, it is my prerogative to disregard Commies telling us what the Constitution says. I agree. We are to interpret the Constitution as it is written, in an Originalist fashion. We are not to "evolve" our thinking or use modern language to interpret as we like.
Except that your view does not stem from the constitution. By all means, please prove me wrong: just show me in the constitution where it says anything even remotely like your claims about one or two parents having been born in the US, or be themselves citizens, to be a citizen. In fact the actual constitution, in the 14th amendment, says something quite different.
No court or authority has ever even tried to interpret natural born as you are choosing to do.
There is no need to interpret anything, or change our modern language in any regard, you simply need to look at the 14th amendment, which shows clearly that Harris is a citizen. The standard interpretation of natural born citizen for the past 200 years, has been born in the United States. Parentage has always been, and will always remain, irrelevant.
That is the way things are.you may wish for things to be different of course, which is fine, but your wishes do not affect the way things are.
Your parents don't have to be citizens. You have to be a natural born citizen.
Thats what makes you a natural born citizen, both your parents being US citizens and being born in the US or US territory.
No. The clause about ‘subject to jurisdiction’ is dealing specifically with the children of diplomats or agents of a foreign government, who have official diplomatic or foreigner status.
No, A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life. Anchor baby = natural born citizen.
Obama wasn't either and you see how the Left lied, schemed, redid his birth certificate and then threatened people to quit searching for the truth; and he still got elected twice.
Enters Dominion
The left can NOT win without CHEATING and they know it.
There is no f’n way we elected that d-bag a second time ... not a person I know voted for him and it was a foregone conclusion that he won that night before they even counted (Obummers second election)
I think that will be the biggest revelation out of all if this is that there was never even close to 50% of the nation that agrees we the regressive commie filth. Probably less than 30% of the nation or even lower. If the 410 ev is true democrats should not be in power anywhere.
This is an absolute bombshell folks. If someone wanted to force the issue, it could get really interesting.
One question that might be pertinent: if she isn't eligible for the presidency, why would she be eligible for the vice-president? Don't think the rules are different, because one replaces the other...
Same question I have if you're not eligible for P how can you legally be eligible for VP??♂️
And her Mother descends from a High Caste Indian family, who was working under a working visa when she was born.
Kamala is the descendant of slave owners.
I didn't know Rabid Hyenas can run for office. http://girlonfireca.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kamalahyena.jpg
It is uncanny that that is exactly the same expression. She's always laughing like a hyena because she knows there's no way in hell she should be in that office.
Could this be an in for Piglose?
Stock up the liquor cabinet!
The thought of this makes me ?
"Yes but".
This is good information; however she is not a Natural Born Citizen because she was not born to a US Citizen on US Soil. She was born to foreigners.
End of story.
This is sadly irrelevant for a few reasons.
The fact that an obscure Jamaican law confers citizenship has no bearing on US law nor the US determination of natural born citizen. If Germany changes their laws to make citizenship automatically pass through three generations, that doesn’t suddenly make Trump ineligible. US law determines eligibility, not foreign law.
This is the correct answer
When she first started running people around here were all looking up the law.
So, literally none of that is true. I would suggest you have a quick look at the 14th amendments to the United States Constitution.
What you wish is you could be right and you can't. You don't know the FIRST thing about which you're talking either.
As I have laid out and explained in grade at detail, I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. You, I’m afraid, do not.
No, you didn’t.
You cited several regulations, and then wildly misinterpreted them.
I know exactly what jurisdiction of the law means. So does every law book ever written, which entirely agree with me. YOU do not.
I know exactly what it means, snd have explained it in detail. YOU do not.
Handshakes getting upset ITT. Ignoring the language of the law like they do with the second amendment.
Honestly I hope she does become president, it'll speed "The Plan" up like a goddamn supersonic rocket.
The child always follows the allegiance of the father. http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/meaningofnaturalborn.html
though for president, it should be that the person has both parents as US citizens, just to be sure of no divided loyalties.
Good grief ! An anchor-baby [pseudo] Vice President with delusions of grandeur;
pretending a role as the result of the biggest election fraud event known to mankind. And the show goes on . . . .
"What makes a movie good ? Great [not-so-great] actors." - Q
My father was born to illegal Irish immigrants here in the U.S. Yet, he's still recognized as a NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN. His pregnancy was hard for his birth mother. She was a Rh neg woman. If you're familiar with Rh- blood types and female reproduction, you know their bodies recognize the fetus as an invading symbiote. Her body literally tries to destroy the fetus. He and his birth mother barely survived the trek over here from war torn Ireland, circa 1950. He was given up for adoption, partly because he was so sick and they were so poor and couldn't afford the expensive treatments, but also because they were turned in by the hospital. They were subsequently forced to leave the U.S. and return to Ireland. So, they put him up for adoption here in the U.S. and left him behind for another family to adopt him that could give him the life he deserved. I can't even imagine the courage it took and heartbreak that extolled from them. He was born here, and allowed to stay because he's a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, even though he was born to "foreign nationals," but his birth parents weren't because they were illegal immigrants. Kamala's case isn't that different from my father's. Only, her parents were allowed to stay because they were on official student and work visas.
Doesn't matter if Kamala Harris was born to Jamaican and Indian parents, or if she was born to Martians. She was born in the U.S., so she's a natural born U.S. Citizen.
[Hussein] was born in Kenya at a Kenyan hospital, to a Kenyan father. This should've excluded him from serving as POTUS, as he has a birth parent that IS NOT nor ever has been a U.S. Citizen, in a foreign hospital. In his case, BOTH parents should've been U.S. Citizens if he were to be a legally recognized U.S. Citizen. That's why [they] needed to forge a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
If you're born overseas to both birth parents who are U S. citizens, it doesn't matter if you're born on foreign soil, you're still a legally recognized U.S. Citizen. If you're born on a military installation to at least one U.S. citizen parent, you're a U.S. citizen. If you're born in an Embassy or Consulate, you're a U.S. citizen. I know plenty of kids from my time in the Navy that were born to one foreign national parent on a U.S. installation, and they're natural born U.S. Citizens. I also know some.kids that were born in a foreign hospital to only one U.S. parent, and the U.S. se vice member had to leave them behind with the other parent UNTIL the U.S. decided to recognize that child as a U.S. citizen, or both the foreign national parent and the child were issued a visa and eventually a green card. My son's went to school with a few kids that were in that predicament.
Who among us here knows the story of Bruce Lee? His parents were Chinese citizens working in San Francisco as actors in a travelling troupe. Yet, when he was born, he was issued a U.S. Birth Certificate from California and issued a SSN. Which is why he was able to leave Hong Kong and set up a Kung Fu school almost immediately after arriving WITHOUT having to apply for a visa or green card. And yet, I don't see ANYONE here saying Bruce Lee isn't a NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN.
The same rationale and laws apply to Kamala Harris. She's a natural born U.S. citizen. If we are to attempt to strip that of her, my father and probably millions of other U.S. Citizens would be affected as well. And THAT CANNOT BE ALLOWED.
Not according to his birth certificate, it says he was born in Hawaii. Wht would he make up a fake birth certificate if he didn't need it. You are showing your shilliness, don't try so hard.
I agree, but no one will prosecute. Orly Taitz fought this so hard with the 0bummer pResidency. She has been a great warrior.
…And one other detail, that makes her a British subject.
What about dual citizenship?
Moot point. Trump finalized the US corporate bankruptcies right before the end of his term. The Biden administration has been repeatedly blocked in the world court from reincorporating by the American States Assembly. There is no official federal corporate government.
She was born on US soil, doesn't matter if her parents are Martian, dual Citizenship is not a disqualifier. She is a natural born US citizen, case closed. I would pay Elon Musk quite a chunk of my assets to send her back to Mars, but unfortunately she is eligable to be President.
In Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, of the English translation of 1797 (p. 110) Vattel describes what is meant by the term Natural Born Citizen: The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/meaningofnaturalborn.html
It doesn't matter what that old book says. What matters is what the Constitution says and what US laws say.
natural born does not equal native born. 2 different meanings. one is parentage the other is geography.
She's an anchor baby, but still a US citizen by birth. Check immigration law.
So what? Was her mother american? Then she's a US citizen and can be president. US law isn't overriden by other countries. US Sovereignty. US first.
Her mother was from India. To be President you must be a natural born citizen which means born to American citizen parents and born on US soil.
If neither of them were US citizens then that's all you had to say.
You have to be a natural born citizen to serve either of those roles.
I thought, like Obama, one of her parents was American.
I thought this was another 'Kenya' thing, which is irrelevant because his mother was American.
The reason Obama's not a citizen is because Kenya referenced citizenship of children to citizenship of the father in Kenyan law when Obama was born.
He was born under Kenyan jurisdiction.
When she married the Kenyan and lived in Kenya with him, her child was immediately upon birth, subject to the father's jurisdiction, and when she legally contracted marriage in Kenya she affirmed that by agreeing to be married there, to a Kenyan man.
Which is why Obama doesn't have a birth certificate from the United States.
Doesn't fucking matter.
The US recognizes any child born of an american as american, regardless of what some other country has to say about it. US law doesn't cede to some other nation's thoughts on the matter.
Good post but;
She IS a Citizen.
She is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
BIG difference.
Thanks Fren. I wasn't aware that her papers don't appear to be in order. I assumed that being an attorney, senator, etc this would have been ironed out long ago. But then again, look how far Barry Soetoro / Harrison J Bounel got.
Do you have a source?
See what I'm sayin here bro?
The reason you, nor I, nor anyone else here is having that ''OH I got this!'' moment, knowing where the link was months ago, able to dredge it up - is because -
there ARE no papers.
When everybody was checking months ago, it turned out - there ARE no fuckin' papers on this whore.
This Jamaican whore
is a foreign
fucking
citizen.
I do now. Thanks.
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She was born in the United States of America, and is as such a US citizen according to the 14th amendment. Of course she doesn’t have naturalization papers, she doesn’t need them, having been born in the United States.
The constitution is quite explicit on this matter, perhaps you should give it a look.
Absolutely correct answer. Seriously, you are literally making things up, and are sadly, quite utterly wrong.