How do you teach people to recognize counterfeit money? Do you show them all the different fake bills? No. You show them the real thing and every minor detail.
That's what our churches are called to do. Focus on the one true risen Lord. Believers who seek the Lord and the truth of the Scripture easily recognize the the counterfeit things going on around them. Churches do not need to become the barometer for everything occurring in civil life. It just creates division. Satan would probably really enjoy the attention of preaching centered on him, good or bad.
You obviously misunderstand. The point of the watchman is they are responsible for telling others. If they fail to warn other when they know, any blood that falls is on their hands, if someone was warned and they fail to act, the fault is not on the watchman but the person warned.
And your response tells me you have read very little in the Bible aside from ignorantly quoting scripture to prove to someone how wrong the Bible is or inappropriate you feel it is.
Pretty Bold telling folks that if they don't practice worship the same as you they are wrong. Last time I checked, all that is required to go to Heaven is, admit you are a sinner, Believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and confess our sins? God Bless the Patriots fighting this evil.
You are correct about salvation, but way off on the OPs statement. not once was the way a person worships was mentioned. What the church is preaching is a key identifier... just remember that some / most churches have been infiltrated by the progressive teachers that lie and pervert the word of God.
When i have looked at attending new churches in the past, one of my questions to the pastor was "what is your stance on gay marriage and homosexuality". If I heard anything other than that it is sinful behavior in God's eyes I thanked him for his time and left. Yes, I know that everyone sins but when a sin gets celebrated like homosexuality as being natural, I have no place for that in my worship and I sure as hell am not going to look for spiritual guidance from that congregation.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Sure. Is preaching the gospel good fruit? Is calling people repentance good fruit? Does it say specifically somewhere that not reaching specifically about the NWO is bad for or required to be good fruit?
No.
Now go read the last verse The book of Revelation.
I'm sorry - I haven't read all of the exchanges between you and BigTEXAS, but are you two just arguing semantics? I don't think you are implying that warning people about Communism is bad fruit, but maybe Tex is inferring it? And I don't think Tex is implying fruit can only be good if you also warn people about Communism, but maybe you are inferring that? I'm not accusing. Perhaps I missed a statement by either of you. You don't have to answer, I'm just throwing that out there.
I'm stating the obvious here: Cultural Marxism is a tool that has been and is being used to infect and subvert the Church with ravenous wolves, and Jesus warned us to beware of them, so maybe you two are just "sharpening steel against steel" in your exchanges but I hope neither of you loses sight that our job is to grow the harvest, and keeping the trees healthy is a mandate.
I won't keep you, it looks like your keyboard has already gotten a workout today!
Pretty Bold telling folks that if they don't practice worship the same as you they are wrong.
There are churches of all denominations that have been compromised. If your preacher, rabbi, imam, etc., is not preaching God/Yahweh/Allah's message... then whose message are they really teaching? Satan? Funny how homosexuality has seemed to become a thing in certain churches...
I have to disagree with you. Your church should be preaching the gospel and preaching against sin in general. There is no scriptural support for your position that says they need to be preaching specifically about the NWO.
The gospel Jesus Christ, the basic tenants appreciate specifically salvific issues, and preaching for repentance and against sin. Everything else is just personal preference.
And I'm saying this coming from the church that never closed since the beginning of all this bull crap.
You need to judge by this standards laid forth in scripture, not your personal opinions or preferences.
At no point heaven I supported communism in any of my comments. Don't misrepresent me.
There's a difference between rejecting communism and the messages op was claiming are necessary to be present for a church to be biblical.. that's just not the case.
There's a vast difference between not talking about communism in your sermons and actually supporting it. Those are not the same position. That's my point.
I never took that position at all. Where did I say I did?
You are either Misunderstanding what I said or misrepresenting what I said. Because that is not my position at all and I never said that.
I Have no problem with the church condemning sin. I have a problem with someone saying that a church that doesn't preach on the specific topics that OP mentioned is not Biblical / good.
Just one small example would be a drug rehab Church that preaches about sin and repentance and idolatry and never covers any of the subjects that OP claimed were necessary for a church to talk about.
There's a discord a group of people from . Win have started to effectuate a stepping stone of such. Would you be interested in visiting and checking it out?
If not, all the same God bless you in Jesus name, sibling. Amen.
Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!'
Tell me about it!! I'm paying ten percent of my gross income to a church that requires members to wear a mask if they're not vaccinated. I must be stupid. . . .
Honestly, if your church isn't preaching about faith in God, and how to live by the lessons of Christ, to always be loving, hoping, praying, growing community. Or to help you don the full armor of God, and prepare you to avoid the the snares of wickedness, and be wise as serpents but meek as doves, you're not getting the full benefit.
There are more sleeping "Christians" than sleeping normies. And they're harder to wake up. I.e. God's commandments are "nitpicking" and "do 't matter". Wow, okay.
If you do this in the pulpit: "...the central theme of ALL preaching: knowing God through genuine salvation in Christ." You will be respected at the lunch time table talk.
My Catholic traditional Latin mass parish is based. Never closed, never forced masks (over 90% never did), told us despite what the Pope says, we should not get the vaccine unless we absolutely HAVE TO; it was created using evil means and using evil as a way to bring about good (or perceived good) is not okay.
edit: oh and the Catholic church has been anti-Communist for ages. It's only once the Freemasons finished their infiltration that some parts of the Church went soft on Communism.
Overthrow is Deliberately Planned“… — For, the fear of God and reverence for divine laws being taken away, the authority of rulers despised, sedition permitted and approved, and the popular passions urged on to lawlessness, with no restraint save that of punishment, a change and overthrow of all things will necessarily follow. Yea, this change and overthrow is deliberately planned and put forward by many associations of communists and socialists.”(Encyclical Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884, n. 27)
Debasing the Natural Union of Man and Woman– “They [socialists, communists, or nihilists] debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust.(Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)
The Harvest of Misery“ — …there is need for a union of brave minds with all the resources they can command. The harvest of misery is before our eyes, and the dreadful projects of the most disastrous national upheavals are threatening us from the growing power of the socialistic movement.”(Encyclical Graves de Communi Re, January 18, 1901, n. 21)
SAINT PIUS X (1903-1914)
The Dream of Re-Shaping Society will Bring Socialism — “But stranger still, alarming and saddening at the same time, are the audacity and frivolity of men who call themselves Catholics and dream of re-shaping society under such conditions, and of establishing on earth, over and beyond the pale of the Catholic Church, ‘the reign of love and justice’ … What are they going to produce? … A mere verbal and chimerical construction in which we shall see, glowing in a jumble, and in seductive confusion, the words Liberty, Justice, Fraternity, Love, Equality, and human exultation, all resting upon an ill-understood human dignity. It will be a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which will benefit the less Utopian exploiters of the people. Yes, we can truly say that the Sillon, its eyes fixed on a chimera, brings Socialism in its train.”
(Apostolic Letter Notre Charge Apostolique [“Our Apostolic Mandate”] to the French Bishops, August 15, 1910, condemning the movement Le Sillon)
BENEDICT XV (1914-1922)
Never Forget the Condemnation of Socialism — “It is not our intention here to repeat the arguments which clearly expose the errors of Socialism and of similar doctrines. Our predecessor, Leo XIII, most wisely did so in truly memorable Encyclicals; and you, Venerable Brethren, will take the greatest care that those grave precepts are never forgotten, but that whenever circumstances call for it, they should be clearly expounded and inculcated in Catholic associations and congresses, in sermons and in the Catholic press.”
(Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, November 1, 1914, n. 13)
Pope Francis has restricted the use of the Latin Mass, a form of the liturgy favored by traditionalist Catholics that calls for the conversion of the Jews and that until 2008 included a reference to Jewish “blindness.”
Francis’ declaration on Friday is a repudiation of an earlier decree by his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, who in 2007 made it easier to use the Latin Mass. At the time of that declaration, Jewish groups expressed concern because the Latin Mass recited on Good Friday included a “prayer for the Jews” that called for their conversion to Christianity and referred to the Jews’ “blindness.”
Jewish groups worried at the time that Benedict’s decision signified a retreat from the Second Vatican Council, or Vatican II, which declared in a 1965 document known as “Nostra Aetate” that the Jews were not guilty of killing Jesus, and condemned antisemitism. Accusations that the Jews killed Jesus have long motivated antisemitic attacks.
In 2008, Benedict reaffirmed his commitment to Nostra Aetate and omitted the word “blindness” from the Good Friday prayer.
Francis said he was restricting use of the Latin Mass out of concern that those who favor it also reject Vatican II, according to the Associated Press. Vatican II made a number of sweeping changes to Catholic ritual and practice — including allowing for Mass to be recited in the vernacular. A faction of Catholics who split from the Church over Vatican II had continued reciting the Latin Mass before Benedict’s declaration.
Now in order to use the Latin Mass, priests must get permission from their local bishop, who must also make sure that those using the Latin Mass accept Vatican II.
Like I said, the parish I attend jumped through these hoops years ago. The FSSP parish which does the Latin Mass was set up with full permission and the blessing of the Vatican and the local bishop a while ago. They've been in full Communion with Rome since the inception.
Does that mean they WON'T get rid of it? Of course there's a chance but like I said, we're not the group the Pope is concerned with. It's those who reject V2 that the Pope is trying to corral. FSSP does not reject V2.
Those that granted the Fraternity are the very same ones that can take it away. And they will.
I doubt it. Time will tell. I'll be the first person to admit you were right if in the future he pulls a stunt like that.
If he is not Catholic already, how can he possibly be pope, the Vicar of Christ? I
He's Catholic so long as he's baptized into the church.
Also, that's assuming he IS the Pope and not an imposter. I'm NOT saying the seat is vacant, as the sedevacantists argue. Rather: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh_CIoVvaOk
Yep, if your pastor is urging the congregation to mask up or get jabbed, run...and block your kid's butts on the way out.
Glory to God, Amen!
How do you teach people to recognize counterfeit money? Do you show them all the different fake bills? No. You show them the real thing and every minor detail.
That's what our churches are called to do. Focus on the one true risen Lord. Believers who seek the Lord and the truth of the Scripture easily recognize the the counterfeit things going on around them. Churches do not need to become the barometer for everything occurring in civil life. It just creates division. Satan would probably really enjoy the attention of preaching centered on him, good or bad.
Ezekiel 33. The charge of the watchman is quite explicit.
Right. Quote the old testament Torah when you feel like preaching vengeance and hatred. Its sick what people say and do in the name of God.
You obviously misunderstand. The point of the watchman is they are responsible for telling others. If they fail to warn other when they know, any blood that falls is on their hands, if someone was warned and they fail to act, the fault is not on the watchman but the person warned.
And your response tells me you have read very little in the Bible aside from ignorantly quoting scripture to prove to someone how wrong the Bible is or inappropriate you feel it is.
Do you have scriptural reference for that?
My church found out i am a covid sceptic and got very het up, they insinuated i was a fool and liar and/or mentally incapacitated.
To give them the benefit of the doubt i had not been a member for very long and they were kindly folk in the main, but even so....
Spot on...I believe a lot of "churches" are compromised.
Both good points. Another tell is if they preach you’ll get rich by giving to them.
Pretty Bold telling folks that if they don't practice worship the same as you they are wrong. Last time I checked, all that is required to go to Heaven is, admit you are a sinner, Believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and confess our sins? God Bless the Patriots fighting this evil.
You are correct about salvation, but way off on the OPs statement. not once was the way a person worships was mentioned. What the church is preaching is a key identifier... just remember that some / most churches have been infiltrated by the progressive teachers that lie and pervert the word of God.
When i have looked at attending new churches in the past, one of my questions to the pastor was "what is your stance on gay marriage and homosexuality". If I heard anything other than that it is sinful behavior in God's eyes I thanked him for his time and left. Yes, I know that everyone sins but when a sin gets celebrated like homosexuality as being natural, I have no place for that in my worship and I sure as hell am not going to look for spiritual guidance from that congregation.
Thats about salvation, not biblical churches.
Now you're bringing up communism which is completely different. That's a strong man fallacy.
The discussion wasn't about reaching against communism when the Bible clearly teaches capitalist views for example the workers in the vineyard.
I'm saying support your original assertions with scripture. You haven't done that yet and you won't be able to.
Go read the last verses in the book of Revelation. You shouldn't be adding requirements to God's word then aren't actually present in God's word.
I realize what the NWO is. But you're still missing my point and moving the goal post in the process.
Maybe you just don't understand the flow of argumentation or forgot what your original assertion was.
You're trying to categorize churches as good or bad by unbiblical standards by making a category error.
A church that doesn't does cover the topics specifically not equal an ungodly, unBiblical or sinful Church.
Can you elaborate on what you said?
Sure. Is preaching the gospel good fruit? Is calling people repentance good fruit? Does it say specifically somewhere that not reaching specifically about the NWO is bad for or required to be good fruit?
No.
Now go read the last verse The book of Revelation.
I know the verse.
I'm sorry - I haven't read all of the exchanges between you and BigTEXAS, but are you two just arguing semantics? I don't think you are implying that warning people about Communism is bad fruit, but maybe Tex is inferring it? And I don't think Tex is implying fruit can only be good if you also warn people about Communism, but maybe you are inferring that? I'm not accusing. Perhaps I missed a statement by either of you. You don't have to answer, I'm just throwing that out there.
I'm stating the obvious here: Cultural Marxism is a tool that has been and is being used to infect and subvert the Church with ravenous wolves, and Jesus warned us to beware of them, so maybe you two are just "sharpening steel against steel" in your exchanges but I hope neither of you loses sight that our job is to grow the harvest, and keeping the trees healthy is a mandate.
I won't keep you, it looks like your keyboard has already gotten a workout today!
Exactly. God and woke don’t mix and they are easy to discern.
There are churches of all denominations that have been compromised. If your preacher, rabbi, imam, etc., is not preaching God/Yahweh/Allah's message... then whose message are they really teaching? Satan? Funny how homosexuality has seemed to become a thing in certain churches...
Good churches have big targets on their backs. Same as good pastors. Satan marks them out and many fall.
I have to disagree with you. Your church should be preaching the gospel and preaching against sin in general. There is no scriptural support for your position that says they need to be preaching specifically about the NWO.
The gospel Jesus Christ, the basic tenants appreciate specifically salvific issues, and preaching for repentance and against sin. Everything else is just personal preference.
And I'm saying this coming from the church that never closed since the beginning of all this bull crap.
You need to judge by this standards laid forth in scripture, not your personal opinions or preferences.
Support your position with scripture
At no point heaven I supported communism in any of my comments. Don't misrepresent me.
There's a difference between rejecting communism and the messages op was claiming are necessary to be present for a church to be biblical.. that's just not the case.
There's a vast difference between not talking about communism in your sermons and actually supporting it. Those are not the same position. That's my point.
I never took that position at all. Where did I say I did?
You are either Misunderstanding what I said or misrepresenting what I said. Because that is not my position at all and I never said that.
I Have no problem with the church condemning sin. I have a problem with someone saying that a church that doesn't preach on the specific topics that OP mentioned is not Biblical / good.
Just one small example would be a drug rehab Church that preaches about sin and repentance and idolatry and never covers any of the subjects that OP claimed were necessary for a church to talk about.
Check again - and frequently. Matthew 5-7 specifically. Salvation yes - but sanctification and Heaven? No
How many churches are awake to these realities, realistically? I wish I could find a church like that
There's a discord a group of people from . Win have started to effectuate a stepping stone of such. Would you be interested in visiting and checking it out?
If not, all the same God bless you in Jesus name, sibling. Amen.
Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!'
Wish I could find a based church like this!!! So many Christians I know are clueless about what's going on...
Tell me about it!! I'm paying ten percent of my gross income to a church that requires members to wear a mask if they're not vaccinated. I must be stupid. . . .
How would you find a great awakening congregation?
Honestly, if your church isn't preaching about faith in God, and how to live by the lessons of Christ, to always be loving, hoping, praying, growing community. Or to help you don the full armor of God, and prepare you to avoid the the snares of wickedness, and be wise as serpents but meek as doves, you're not getting the full benefit.
There are more sleeping "Christians" than sleeping normies. And they're harder to wake up. I.e. God's commandments are "nitpicking" and "do 't matter". Wow, okay.
I think you’re right on this for sure.
If you do this in the pulpit: "...the central theme of ALL preaching: knowing God through genuine salvation in Christ." You will be respected at the lunch time table talk.
I don't belong to a church. I don't need/want to be told "smooth lies" to rick music.
Dean tells like it is. https://www.deanodle.org/videos-sermons2021?wix-vod-video-id=9111ea9974374a2d84e462148a17088d&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-knuir80v
I 100% agree.
My Catholic traditional Latin mass parish is based. Never closed, never forced masks (over 90% never did), told us despite what the Pope says, we should not get the vaccine unless we absolutely HAVE TO; it was created using evil means and using evil as a way to bring about good (or perceived good) is not okay.
edit: oh and the Catholic church has been anti-Communist for ages. It's only once the Freemasons finished their infiltration that some parts of the Church went soft on Communism.
https://sensusfidelium.us/freemasonry-communism-homosexuality-the-infiltration-of-the-church-the-holy-face/
LEO XIII (1878-1903)
Overthrow is Deliberately Planned“… — For, the fear of God and reverence for divine laws being taken away, the authority of rulers despised, sedition permitted and approved, and the popular passions urged on to lawlessness, with no restraint save that of punishment, a change and overthrow of all things will necessarily follow. Yea, this change and overthrow is deliberately planned and put forward by many associations of communists and socialists.”(Encyclical Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884, n. 27)
Debasing the Natural Union of Man and Woman– “They [socialists, communists, or nihilists] debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust.(Encyclical Quod Apostolici Muneris, December 28, 1878, n. 1)
The Harvest of Misery“ — …there is need for a union of brave minds with all the resources they can command. The harvest of misery is before our eyes, and the dreadful projects of the most disastrous national upheavals are threatening us from the growing power of the socialistic movement.”(Encyclical Graves de Communi Re, January 18, 1901, n. 21)
SAINT PIUS X (1903-1914)
The Dream of Re-Shaping Society will Bring Socialism — “But stranger still, alarming and saddening at the same time, are the audacity and frivolity of men who call themselves Catholics and dream of re-shaping society under such conditions, and of establishing on earth, over and beyond the pale of the Catholic Church, ‘the reign of love and justice’ … What are they going to produce? … A mere verbal and chimerical construction in which we shall see, glowing in a jumble, and in seductive confusion, the words Liberty, Justice, Fraternity, Love, Equality, and human exultation, all resting upon an ill-understood human dignity. It will be a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which will benefit the less Utopian exploiters of the people. Yes, we can truly say that the Sillon, its eyes fixed on a chimera, brings Socialism in its train.”
(Apostolic Letter Notre Charge Apostolique [“Our Apostolic Mandate”] to the French Bishops, August 15, 1910, condemning the movement Le Sillon)
BENEDICT XV (1914-1922)
Never Forget the Condemnation of Socialism — “It is not our intention here to repeat the arguments which clearly expose the errors of Socialism and of similar doctrines. Our predecessor, Leo XIII, most wisely did so in truly memorable Encyclicals; and you, Venerable Brethren, will take the greatest care that those grave precepts are never forgotten, but that whenever circumstances call for it, they should be clearly expounded and inculcated in Catholic associations and congresses, in sermons and in the Catholic press.”
(Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, November 1, 1914, n. 13)
https://politicalvelcraft.org/catholic-church-vs-freemasons-nwo/
https://rumble.com/vey7p7-the-jewish-founders-of-freemasonry.html
https://rumble.com/vke3hl-1890-catholic-article-the-jewish-question-in-europe-part-1-the-causes.html
Won't happen - https://www.rosary.sg/blogs/news/fssp-says-it-is-deeply-saddened-by-pope-francis-latin-mass-restrictions
The Vatican and local bishop gave permission for this FSSP parish to exist in the first place.
The Pope is trying to get at sedevacantists. We are not sedevacantists.
Also!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-francis-restricts-latin-mass-that-caused-controversy-with-jews/
Like I said, the parish I attend jumped through these hoops years ago. The FSSP parish which does the Latin Mass was set up with full permission and the blessing of the Vatican and the local bishop a while ago. They've been in full Communion with Rome since the inception.
Does that mean they WON'T get rid of it? Of course there's a chance but like I said, we're not the group the Pope is concerned with. It's those who reject V2 that the Pope is trying to corral. FSSP does not reject V2.
Which part?
I doubt it. Time will tell. I'll be the first person to admit you were right if in the future he pulls a stunt like that.
He's Catholic so long as he's baptized into the church.
Also, that's assuming he IS the Pope and not an imposter. I'm NOT saying the seat is vacant, as the sedevacantists argue. Rather: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh_CIoVvaOk
Unbelievers are not Catholic? He is a member of the church through his baptism and confirmation.
Someone didn't bother to watch the video I posted. The seat is not vacant.
Hallelujah!
/atheist
The only church people should be attending is Jesse Lee Petersons Fellowship every Sunday on YouTube from 11-1pm
Amen.
I will not enter a church with masked zombies shuffling around.
Amen.