A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Many times even pro gun folks only quote the 2nd half of the amendment. The first part is equally important. It is specifically addressing the need for a Militia capable of securing a free state. There’s no question as why we need “military style” rifles. There’s no question that we should actually have access to full auto and no limitations on ammunition
Washington’s first state of the union address removes all debate IMO: they intended us to be armed, organized (archaic meaning of regulated), and know how to use it
Maybe. In the early 1970's the (criminal) government destroyed our rail freight industry, leaving us running only on trucks for all food and freight. The truckies have had their social media deleted so they can't post what they are doing, but we can still see from Google maps the roadblocks. With 'just in time' food delivery, the capital cities only have a few days of food, so it won't be long before shelves start to empty. The media has a blackout on it but it will be hard to suppress. So the government is now letting the drivers cross the border without their lethal injections in the hope that will end it so the drivers won't get what they really want, freedom for all Australians. Yet to be seen if the drivers will move their trucks.
Yep. We're fucked right now, here in Victoria, Australia.
A few days ago in a tiny country town far from anywhere, where there are no 'covid' "cases", the local cop, who is new to the town, drove past three blokes having a beer on their front verandah and fined them all, thousands of dollars, for 'violating covid rules'. We are supposed to be locked in our houses, cowering in fear, waiting for our 'opportunity' to take the jab.
They took our guns using a false flag shooting in Port Arthur, framed some poor bastard, back in 1996, now we have no freedom at all. They have given themselves power to alter and delete our social media so we can't communicate, and charge anyone who tries to organise a rally to protest, with 'incitement', fine or jail them. We can't legally walk down the street anymore, or see our friends or family.
If America falls, the world falls. We can't fight these tyrants, they have guns, we have tears.
Oh, but I thought it was just for hunting deer and since Australia doesn't have deer anymore they all decided to turn their m60s and uzis or whatever. /s
Just because no one has used them doesn't mean no one will. They are a last resort measure only. No one wants what comes along with that. If you thought it through you wouldn't either. Just stop.
Amen. We're not going to live under the communist yoke, not ever, but if we can get out from under it without using our Second Amendment rights, we will try everything else first.
You are responding to a shill sent here to agitate. His goal is to get people to spout violent rhetoric. He is probably paid by the FBI or other three letter agency. Ignore xim/xer/xhit.
Clearly, you've never had to use a firearm with extreme prejudice except maybe in Call of Duty.
Those of us who have been to REAL War know what its like to take a life. You don't do that unless you have to and it's something you never...ever... forget. Right now, WTF you think would happen if 5 million+ vets (estimated living in US) decided to wage War? Have you any clue? It's gonna be a fuckin no-holds barred event when the Dogs of War are let loose. No ROE to hold us back. None of us want that, but we will not shy from it. The Oath is forever.
We're allowing what little is left of the Laws and Constitution to WORK before we have no other choice. Everyone will know if we reach that point. Opening fire in our own Country upon other countrymen, even if they are Communist assholes, is an absolute LAST resort. If they begin coming door to door like in Australia, that changes the game and [they] know it.
In short, STFU, sit down, and allow this to play out. When the time comes, we'll be handing out ass-woopins aplenty but NOT before its time.
First off, I thank you for your service.
We are all on the same side here, so I mean all my remarks with due respect.
That said;
All of 2020 was a full-bore, no bullshit, communist color revolution, culminating in an actual coup d'etat.
ALL of 2020; the manufactured race riots, the "wild" fires, the scam-demic; ALL OF IT WAS ONE BIG REVOLUTION AND COUP.
There are many reasons why all these events sprung to life last year, but there are 2 main, overarching ones;
Get rid of and destroy Trump.
Usher in the elites self-proclaimed Great Reset.
So; we lived through an actual coup and didn't do shit.
If a coup isn't reason to use force; I literally don't know what is.
We watched Trump supporters get murdered both in the streets as well as at the US capitol, merely for their political beliefs.
If self defense against murder; against riotous, racist, communist rage mobs isn't reason to use force, then I again don't know what is.
The 2020 election was stolen in a coup, which means our vote no longer counts.
If you think they "only" stole 2020 and aren't actively doing it again, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Let's not even start talking about the past several decades' worth of elections they've stolen.....
They deny us our soap box; our 1st amendment rights and freedoms.
They instantly cancel, delete, ban, censor, and de-platform anyone with any opinions or thoughts that differ in the least from the prevailing manufactured narrative.
They have so thoroughly corrupted the judiciary at all levels; does anyone here honestly think they could get a legit, honest, fair trial by judge or jury?
Really?
How many cases of absolute insane, authoritarian, communist, unConstitutional judges have we all heard of the past 30 years plus?
So;
We can't vote
We can't protest
We can't take it to court.
Please tell me what I've missed and why the final box - the cartridge box - should not be considered.
All fair points, won't deny you that. However, as effed up as all is right now, there are things going on not blasted on MSM or even the independent (real) news outlets.
You can take this however you want, and I know the argument people throw out to this but all I can say is as a former SO, "operations are on-going". No, I cant say what, who, where, why. It's maddening, frustrating, and anxiety-ridden but people die in a War...both combatants and Non-combatants. No War was ever fully won without loss of life.
That said if, as you propose, we all take up arms as individuals...what do you think would happen? How would organization be handled? How would Operations be handled? What tactical and strategic goals should be known? How would Logistics be done? Would you advocate commandeering resources without consent of the giver to further the cause? How would casualties be handled? And on and on.
One thing I know is how War works and, my friend, you are throwing out a lot of rhetoric without that full understanding of what you're asking.
Again, I have to reiterate: If we are forced to the point in this country where Veterans have to band together and take up arms again, it's not going to be pretty....it's going to be brutal. No one is ready for that because no one really knows except another combat Vet and I hope to God that's how it'll stay.
Suppose a few FedEx shipments got delivered to a few choice people.
What WOULD happen?
Declare martial law?
We're already doing it, voluntarily no less.
The way I see it, things literally can't get any worse than they are now; the whole world was shut down, much of it still is, or is operating at very limited capacity.
I honestly don't see how they could make it any worse.
And if they succeeded in finding a way..... FedEx always delivers, don't they?
Just so I'm clear;
You are saying that you have direct personal knowledge that shit is happening in the background that we don't know about?
If so; that is EPIC!!!!
I trust you.... I mean; as much as I can trust any other random fren on the internet... LOL... But I do trust you as an anon... I won't pester you for details you obviously can't give.
IF there were any other tidbits at all you could DM to me, I'd be eternally grateful; I could really use the hopium.... any bones you could throw me would be so dearly appreciated.
But if not, I totally understand.
That said;
To your points of what do we do, how do we do it, etc.
Is this a conventional war, or is this a guerilla war?
Rather; how could WE fight it? Could we not choose to conduct our operations however we wanted?
A few years back, wasn't there a teenage boy & middle aged man, who, just the 2 of them together, along with a bare-bones AR15 and an old-ass blue chevy caprice, succeeded in killing 10 people, terrorizing and shutting down most of the eastern seaboard?
2 guys & a rifle.....
Have you ever read Enemies Foreign & Domestic by Matt Bracken or Unintended Consequences by John Ross?
If not; literally drop what you are doing & start UC first, then EF&D. Link at bottom.
Who is our real enemy?
The police?
The military?
Our neighbors?
Who makes these rules & regulations?
Who actually has the power to enact laws to strip our liberties & freedoms?
What good would it do if you shot it out with some state troopers or sheriffs?
Is a guerilla war really fought on the battlefield?
Or would it come in the form of a FedEx delivery on an idle Tuesday?
Ok, I'm gonna have to stop here. Not going to be part of this inciting anymore. I gave questions to yours so that maybe you'd stop a sec and think on them, not ignore them wholesale. I can't make it more obvious than that about what you're not plugging into your equations.
.....remember what happened to that 2-team sniper you speak of. That very example YOU gave should have made you think twice about all the other rhetoric after it.
Expand your thinking
Perhaps take your own advice, especially since a former combat vet gave you everything to think about.
Keep in mind if one person "snapped" they would be labeled as an extremist terrorist. I'm definitely not saying we shouldn't fight for our freedoms, but we can't make it easy to label us as the "bad guys". Kyle Rittenhouse is a great example, plenty of evidence he was pushed to defend himself. I think your frustration over patriots being all talk is perfectly warranted, but the optics matter and we gotta be careful.
Bingo! I think Australia is a mirror for all of the rest of us, world wide whom can still stand up, to fight on the right side of this evil!
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Many times even pro gun folks only quote the 2nd half of the amendment. The first part is equally important. It is specifically addressing the need for a Militia capable of securing a free state. There’s no question as why we need “military style” rifles. There’s no question that we should actually have access to full auto and no limitations on ammunition
memory holes the privately owned warships deployed in the War of 1812
Really? Never knew that.
Oh yeah. Mention that the next time someone starts prattling on about "muh scary assault rifles"
Is there a link to more info?
right here
Washington’s first state of the union address removes all debate IMO: they intended us to be armed, organized (archaic meaning of regulated), and know how to use it
Yeah but what kind of psycho names their poor kid "Larken"??
Will the truckers save Australia? Any Aussie pedes?
Maybe. In the early 1970's the (criminal) government destroyed our rail freight industry, leaving us running only on trucks for all food and freight. The truckies have had their social media deleted so they can't post what they are doing, but we can still see from Google maps the roadblocks. With 'just in time' food delivery, the capital cities only have a few days of food, so it won't be long before shelves start to empty. The media has a blackout on it but it will be hard to suppress. So the government is now letting the drivers cross the border without their lethal injections in the hope that will end it so the drivers won't get what they really want, freedom for all Australians. Yet to be seen if the drivers will move their trucks.
https://xyz.net.au/2021/09/truckie-strike-is-on-social-media-posts-deleted/
Because I fucking want one.
Correct answer, right here!!!
But I want two
Larkin rose has written some great books, they used to be available for free in pdf format many years ago
Also Hong Kong, South Africa, Cuba look like they need guns. UK too.
Yep. We're fucked right now, here in Victoria, Australia.
A few days ago in a tiny country town far from anywhere, where there are no 'covid' "cases", the local cop, who is new to the town, drove past three blokes having a beer on their front verandah and fined them all, thousands of dollars, for 'violating covid rules'. We are supposed to be locked in our houses, cowering in fear, waiting for our 'opportunity' to take the jab.
They took our guns using a false flag shooting in Port Arthur, framed some poor bastard, back in 1996, now we have no freedom at all. They have given themselves power to alter and delete our social media so we can't communicate, and charge anyone who tries to organise a rally to protest, with 'incitement', fine or jail them. We can't legally walk down the street anymore, or see our friends or family.
If America falls, the world falls. We can't fight these tyrants, they have guns, we have tears.
Oh, but I thought it was just for hunting deer and since Australia doesn't have deer anymore they all decided to turn their m60s and uzis or whatever. /s
In America they are for hoarding and making utoob vids…. Sadly
Just because no one has used them doesn't mean no one will. They are a last resort measure only. No one wants what comes along with that. If you thought it through you wouldn't either. Just stop.
Amen. We're not going to live under the communist yoke, not ever, but if we can get out from under it without using our Second Amendment rights, we will try everything else first.
Please read my comment here & tell me why I'm wrong:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jwaOnoCA/x/c/4JDGGMtaqed
Also; we literally ARE living under the communist yoke NOW.
WTF do you think happened in November, 2020???
You are responding to a shill sent here to agitate. His goal is to get people to spout violent rhetoric. He is probably paid by the FBI or other three letter agency. Ignore xim/xer/xhit.
I've literally been here on this forum longer than you.
I figured. I removed the part of comment about him glowing. Probably shouldn't have.
Please read my comment here & tell me why I'm wrong:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jwaOnoCA/x/c/4JDGGMtaqed
Clearly, you've never had to use a firearm with extreme prejudice except maybe in Call of Duty.
Those of us who have been to REAL War know what its like to take a life. You don't do that unless you have to and it's something you never...ever... forget. Right now, WTF you think would happen if 5 million+ vets (estimated living in US) decided to wage War? Have you any clue? It's gonna be a fuckin no-holds barred event when the Dogs of War are let loose. No ROE to hold us back. None of us want that, but we will not shy from it. The Oath is forever.
We're allowing what little is left of the Laws and Constitution to WORK before we have no other choice. Everyone will know if we reach that point. Opening fire in our own Country upon other countrymen, even if they are Communist assholes, is an absolute LAST resort. If they begin coming door to door like in Australia, that changes the game and [they] know it.
In short, STFU, sit down, and allow this to play out. When the time comes, we'll be handing out ass-woopins aplenty but NOT before its time.
Do they? I happen to agree with you, but to be fair, we used to say,
"If they come for our freedom, then it's on."
They did. The stole our election thereby stealing our country. They kill babies. They silence us. They steal our money with impunity.
Man, how high is our pain threshold? I feel like the founders would've been laying down ass whoopins a long fucking time ago.
You might be interested in my response;
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jwaOnoCA/x/c/4JDGGMtaqed
Exactly.
First off, I thank you for your service. We are all on the same side here, so I mean all my remarks with due respect.
That said;
All of 2020 was a full-bore, no bullshit, communist color revolution, culminating in an actual coup d'etat.
ALL of 2020; the manufactured race riots, the "wild" fires, the scam-demic; ALL OF IT WAS ONE BIG REVOLUTION AND COUP.
There are many reasons why all these events sprung to life last year, but there are 2 main, overarching ones;
Get rid of and destroy Trump.
Usher in the elites self-proclaimed Great Reset.
So; we lived through an actual coup and didn't do shit.
If a coup isn't reason to use force; I literally don't know what is.
We watched Trump supporters get murdered both in the streets as well as at the US capitol, merely for their political beliefs.
If self defense against murder; against riotous, racist, communist rage mobs isn't reason to use force, then I again don't know what is.
The 2020 election was stolen in a coup, which means our vote no longer counts. If you think they "only" stole 2020 and aren't actively doing it again, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Let's not even start talking about the past several decades' worth of elections they've stolen.....
They deny us our soap box; our 1st amendment rights and freedoms.
They instantly cancel, delete, ban, censor, and de-platform anyone with any opinions or thoughts that differ in the least from the prevailing manufactured narrative.
They have so thoroughly corrupted the judiciary at all levels; does anyone here honestly think they could get a legit, honest, fair trial by judge or jury?
Really?
How many cases of absolute insane, authoritarian, communist, unConstitutional judges have we all heard of the past 30 years plus?
So;
We can't vote
We can't protest
We can't take it to court.
Please tell me what I've missed and why the final box - the cartridge box - should not be considered.
Please.
.
All fair points, won't deny you that. However, as effed up as all is right now, there are things going on not blasted on MSM or even the independent (real) news outlets.
You can take this however you want, and I know the argument people throw out to this but all I can say is as a former SO, "operations are on-going". No, I cant say what, who, where, why. It's maddening, frustrating, and anxiety-ridden but people die in a War...both combatants and Non-combatants. No War was ever fully won without loss of life.
That said if, as you propose, we all take up arms as individuals...what do you think would happen? How would organization be handled? How would Operations be handled? What tactical and strategic goals should be known? How would Logistics be done? Would you advocate commandeering resources without consent of the giver to further the cause? How would casualties be handled? And on and on.
One thing I know is how War works and, my friend, you are throwing out a lot of rhetoric without that full understanding of what you're asking.
Again, I have to reiterate: If we are forced to the point in this country where Veterans have to band together and take up arms again, it's not going to be pretty....it's going to be brutal. No one is ready for that because no one really knows except another combat Vet and I hope to God that's how it'll stay.
Let this play out.
One more thought;
Suppose a few FedEx shipments got delivered to a few choice people.
What WOULD happen?
Declare martial law?
We're already doing it, voluntarily no less.
The way I see it, things literally can't get any worse than they are now; the whole world was shut down, much of it still is, or is operating at very limited capacity.
I honestly don't see how they could make it any worse.
And if they succeeded in finding a way..... FedEx always delivers, don't they?
Just so I'm clear; You are saying that you have direct personal knowledge that shit is happening in the background that we don't know about?
If so; that is EPIC!!!!
I trust you.... I mean; as much as I can trust any other random fren on the internet... LOL... But I do trust you as an anon... I won't pester you for details you obviously can't give.
IF there were any other tidbits at all you could DM to me, I'd be eternally grateful; I could really use the hopium.... any bones you could throw me would be so dearly appreciated.
But if not, I totally understand.
That said;
To your points of what do we do, how do we do it, etc.
Rather; how could WE fight it? Could we not choose to conduct our operations however we wanted?
2 guys & a rifle.....
If not; literally drop what you are doing & start UC first, then EF&D. Link at bottom.
The police?
The military?
Our neighbors?
Who makes these rules & regulations?
Who actually has the power to enact laws to strip our liberties & freedoms?
What good would it do if you shot it out with some state troopers or sheriffs?
Is a guerilla war really fought on the battlefield?
Or would it come in the form of a FedEx delivery on an idle Tuesday?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
How hard IS it to kill a human?
How many bullets does it take to kill someone?
What's that sniper mantra about One Shot, One........ something.....
Expand your thinking.
Unintended Consequences PDF: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unintended+consequences+john+ross+PDF&atb=v247-2__&ia=web
The last thing is; I don't play video games. Used to when I was little. :-)
.
Ok, I'm gonna have to stop here. Not going to be part of this inciting anymore. I gave questions to yours so that maybe you'd stop a sec and think on them, not ignore them wholesale. I can't make it more obvious than that about what you're not plugging into your equations.
.....remember what happened to that 2-team sniper you speak of. That very example YOU gave should have made you think twice about all the other rhetoric after it.
Perhaps take your own advice, especially since a former combat vet gave you everything to think about.
Have a good one.
I will chew on what you said.
Keep in mind if one person "snapped" they would be labeled as an extremist terrorist. I'm definitely not saying we shouldn't fight for our freedoms, but we can't make it easy to label us as the "bad guys". Kyle Rittenhouse is a great example, plenty of evidence he was pushed to defend himself. I think your frustration over patriots being all talk is perfectly warranted, but the optics matter and we gotta be careful.
Yes this is very true....
That comment glows like a mutherfucker.