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tomthung 43 points ago +44 / -1

Too bad we don't know the truth. Like 9/11 we just see the effect.

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zanonks 28 points ago +28 / -0

Good book called Day of Deceit does a pretty good job telling us to some degree about how much FDR knew and how the leadership in pearl harbor was intentionally kept in the dark on intelligence regarding the movement of the Japanese. In addition, the US had intentionally drawn fire from the Japanese using a long list of provocations. It's certain that FDR wanted us in the world war and provoked the attack on pearl harbor to make it happen all while leaving the naval leadership on the ground in the dark.

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y000danon 20 points ago +20 / -0

This.

Research the McCollum Memo.

FDR asked a lead Analyst “what could we do to instigate war with Japan” and was literally handed the list of what to do.

FDR then did exactly those things. The Japanese also had a code of Bushido and couldn’t do a surprise attack. They told us through their ambassador in DC they had declared war and would attack the western United States.

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore

B. Make an arrangement with the Netherlands for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies

C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek

D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore

E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient

F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific[,] in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands

G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil

H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wait. Japan declared war on the US before attacking Pearl?

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y000danon 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yes. The attack was planned to happen at 1:20 - 1:30 and the Ambassador of Japan supposedly was planned to delivery the declaration at 1:00PM

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/WorldWar2/memo.htm

There is mystery and suspicion around what exactly happened - but Japan absolutely intended to declare war in person citing the flagrant disregard for seeking a common ground ( their words ). They basically said it was obvious the United States was not interested in working things out - therefore there "would be no further negotiations"

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ok, so the attack happened before war was declared. Even if had gone according to Japan's plan, the attack would have been within 15 minutes of declaring war.

Not exactly sporting of them.

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y000danon 6 points ago +6 / -0

The Japanese claimed they tried to message about it 2 weeks prior. I left that out.

It’s one of those things we know very little about.

If I recall the actual memo was locked under National Security law for 55 years or so.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's a very interesting detail, I had forgotten about. We shouldn't be in the fog of war 80 years later yet here we are ...

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 6 points ago +6 / -0

You left out the part that FDR was a commie. And many others throughout our government and IC were commies.

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Vests123 2 points ago +2 / -0

So what else has changed?

They've just increased their entrenchment in the government.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bigly.

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wethepeople74 13 points ago +13 / -0

We know enough to know we’ve been fucked, and not just by the Japanese.

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megalithicallstar 3 points ago +3 / -0

oh but we do.

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MajButtes 27 points ago +27 / -0

We should really stop celebrating the wars the global manipulators have dragged this nation into.

I have grandfathers that fought in both theaters of WW2 and they knew this.

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Oh_Well_ian 7 points ago +7 / -0

Development of the aircraft carrier spelled the end of the battleship as viable warship. They needed casualties though, and the battleships were left behind, intentionally.

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jager 4 points ago +4 / -0

None of the class of battleships destroyed that day ever did anything useful in the war, they were all WW1 vintage and the enemy had superior technology. They all would have been sunk in combat if not at the harbor that day. Not that I approve at all, just an interesting fact.

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b472113 23 points ago +23 / -0

All three aircraft carriers were out of port on this weekend. So our most valuable assets were saved. Interestingly all three aircraft carriers were out of port during the previous weekend. The Navy had broken the Japanese code many months before. They knew.

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Tewdryg 6 points ago +6 / -0

Old naval ships were placed in Pearl Harbor while the fleet valuable ships were elsewhere.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nothing of value was lost?

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Tewdryg 6 points ago +6 / -0

Lives were lost. However, that's a different subject than what my mentioning concerned. FDR knew about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor beforehand. This is why these ships were moved in to port and others removed. It was an intentional act and FDR knew lives would be lost. Pearl Harbor is similar to 9-11. Our government knew beforehand and didn't act to prevent lives from being lost.

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DrMcCoy 5 points ago +5 / -0

Roosevelt has the blood of 2403 people who died at Pearl Harbor on his hands.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Can you point me to clear evidence of foreknowledge? Lots of shady stuff going on for sure

Ships in harbor were all the worst we had? Lots of different types of military warships other than aircraft carriers were used after this and were key in every amphibious attack.

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Tewdryg 4 points ago +4 / -0

Try this article. If one searches on the internet, there's many more..

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TNBanjoMan 19 points ago +20 / -1

My mom and dad were both involved deeply in WWII. Dad was a Navy corpsman with the Marines in the South Pacific and saw some truly bad shit. My mom worked at the secret Oak Ridge (TN) atomic bomb plant refining uranium for the two bombs dropped on Japan. Oh the stories they told after the war. From what people told me who knew them in high school, neither one of them were the same after the war... dad had nightmares the rest of his life and his health was ruined in the jungles of the Pacific islands. Mom became less introspective and a true leader in our small community and the church.

My dad hated "the Japs" for the rest of his life.

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b472113 12 points ago +13 / -1

Navy corpsman -- Marines --- South Pacific. He went through hell.

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TNBanjoMan 11 points ago +11 / -0

Thanks for recognizing that. Yes he did. Because of that experience and his lifelong admiration for the USMC, both my brother and I joined the Corps when we grew up. Best time of our lives, and I would do it again, although I know I would be rejected due to my age now.

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Ogden1Frost 6 points ago +6 / -0

Your parents and other Patriots responded with honor. It is the government that is dishonorable.

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yeldarb1983 3 points ago +3 / -0

At the risk of being insensitive (I'm not trying to be, I swear), what were your mom's feelings on the bomb? I recently saw Oppenheimer's famous quote about it, so I'm curious about this...

That being said, I can't imagine the hell your father must have gone through, or the strain it must have put on your family...

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TNBanjoMan 3 points ago +4 / -1

Oh my mom and dad were fully behind dropping the 2 atomic bombs on Japan. They saw it, and I agree, as a way to end the war without the high casualties that invading Japan would have cost.

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yeldarb1983 0 points ago +1 / -1

Agreed, but I can only imagine how much that would weigh on a person to feel responsible for so much death, even if it was necessary...

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TNBanjoMan 6 points ago +7 / -1

Well I'm old enough to remember the time after WWII and there was ZERO moral ambiguity among most of the US population over "the bomb." A few liberals wrung their hands and clutched their pearl necklaces, but we thought that they were just odd ducks. Never forget that Japan started it and the Christian US nation was all too happy to end it. In my small community of Baptists and Methodists, no one had any guilt over the matter. It was a very different time back then, and it may be hard for younger people today to understand that.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

We need young people to understand. Also that they have the exact same "stuff" as the men who stormed Normandy.

Determination can be learned.

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TNBanjoMan 5 points ago +5 / -0

I pray you're right, patriot.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

:) And we need to teach them

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yeldarb1983 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical. I only saw that Oppenheimer clip recently and it really got to me...

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TNBanjoMan 4 points ago +4 / -0

I didn't take your question as critical, I just answered it as truthfully as I could. No offense taken. It was a good question.

People of my generation don't have much moral ambiguity, and tend to see things in black and white terms. Common sense ruled back then. The most radical thing I recall from those days was a woman called Madeline Murray O'Hara who was an atheist and won a court battle to remove God and religion from the public schools.

So that was the cultural and political landscape back then.

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yeldarb1983 1 point ago +1 / -0

What was the joke?

"As long as there is standardized testing, there will be prayer in public schools."

lol.

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Waveslider619 3 points ago +3 / -0

As a former FMF Corpsman myself, your father is an idol to me. We all wanted to be as good as them. My GF flew Hellcats in the Pacific. He did his share of damage. My hero growing up.

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TNBanjoMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Roger that.

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patriotfortrump 15 points ago +15 / -0

The attack was known way before hand and allowed to happen to get public support for entry in to the war. The best ships were moved ahead of time. We had an oil embargo against Japan which provoked them to either attack or run out of fuel for the entire country of Japan.

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Cray_cray_ 11 points ago +11 / -0

False flag, tbh.

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Fringe--dweller 6 points ago +7 / -1

bottom line is that the DeepState had a couple of shiny new toys that they wanted to show off and the world would learn of a new weapon of mass destruction.

The Atomic Bomb is born.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Absolutely false.

Every angle was looked at in depth. The best course was taken

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

False narrative. We had been at war with Germany before they invaded USSR.

Facts matter.

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DrMcCoy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Makes a lot of sense.

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Ogden1Frost 4 points ago +4 / -0

Thank you, American patriots! You responded with honor, even though Pearl Harbor was the most EVIL false flag until the COVID-19 false flag.

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CloseTheCircusDown 3 points ago +3 / -0

I’m serious when I say thank you for letting us know. My school system in North Carolina never even told us about World War II, except the holocaust happened. We even had a teacher who claimed that World War II did not even happen!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Username checks out

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b472113 3 points ago +3 / -0

At the local watering hole in Northern Virginia, the bartender said she had a master's degree from George Washington University in DC. She strongly agreed with Japan for bombing Pearl harbor. We ask her why. She said the reason was because we dropped the A bomb on them.

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SteveRogers42 2 points ago +2 / -0

A female graduate of Washington State said the same thing at our dinner table in the 1980’s.

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b472113 1 point ago +1 / -0

The sad part about that is that once they learn this, it's impossible for them to unlearn it.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

That makes sense. Not to mention names but her initials were AOC

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redtoe-skipper 3 points ago +3 / -0

It was not abrupt. The knowledge of it happening, was already shared.

On a second note: some bombs had stickers on them, called postal-stamps. You know, to make it legal?

The only problem the japs had: they were 45 minutes too early.

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VetforTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

80 years ago the deep state entered us into their fake world War.

Never again

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VoatAnon1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks Rothchilds...

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motrhed3 2 points ago +2 / -0

This should be stickied for today in the least. While most of us were not alive during that, we should appreciate that brave men and women fought for us.

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925TheJOY 2 points ago +2 / -0

Has anyone else heard about the conspiracy behind pearl harbor and that american military knew about the attack ahead of time and allowed it?

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All1000wombats 2 points ago +2 / -0

A date which will live in infamy.

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Kilowatt2066 1 point ago +1 / -0

Regardless of the truth or lies that got us in the war, we had many service members who sacrificed and some who gave all doing what they believed was right. There are not many left anymore and we must always honor them for their sacrifice and service frens

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Jimmy_Crack_Corn 1 point ago +1 / -0

And [who] instigated this?

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Junionthepipeline 1 point ago +1 / -0

I knew a guy that was at the army airfield that day. Nice guy. Died about ten years ago.

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Agent777 1 point ago +1 / -0

WW2 was a launch pad for communism. It is what made the soviets a super power.

We should have stayed out of it for the most part. Hawaii wasn't really ours at that point and when you consider all of the Hawaiian islands including the NW islands where aces like Midway atoll are located the island chain is actually closer to Japan.

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wankingisgay 1 point ago +4 / -3

I'll also never forget US literally nuked two towns full of civilians, which was 100000x worse than Pearl harbor

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SteveRogers42 1 point ago +3 / -2

Much better if a million American troops died during a conventional invasion of Japan, huh?

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b472113 2 points ago +3 / -1

Also, something that's rarely ever been mentioned, is the millions of Japanese lives that would have been lost if we would have had to invade.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 0 points ago +1 / -1

That was a major reason for dropping the bomb. Not primary, but major. I've heard this stated in most every documentary on the subject.

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wankingisgay -1 points ago +1 / -2

something something don't fucking kill civilians intentionally?

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SteveRogers42 1 point ago +1 / -0

Something something don’t start some shit you can’t finish.

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wankingisgay 1 point ago +1 / -0

Something something don’t nuke cities filled with civilians

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CuomoisaMassMurderer -1 points ago +1 / -2

Fake and gay.

Learn facts.

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wankingisgay -2 points ago +1 / -3

til US did not nuke 2 cities filled with civilians\

you're a fucking moron lmao

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +3 / -1

Learn some facts. It was absolutely the most merciful thing that could have been done.

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wankingisgay -2 points ago +1 / -3

"killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in retaliation for a military raid on a military base was the most merciful thing that could have been done."

you cant be this fucking stupid, lol

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SteveRogers42 1 point ago +2 / -1

The Marquis of Queensbury has spoken!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 0 points ago +0 / -0

It wasn't retaliation.

Creating a strawman like that is the most despicable thing you can do in this format.

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wankingisgay 0 points ago +1 / -1

It wasn't retaliation.

No, no, it was a generous gift.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

It ended the war with millions less dead than any other way would have.

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Agent777 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now we are in the verge of going through war with Russia. They are preparing to take the Ukraine to which Biden says he will send troops to fight Russia.

Meanwhile China takes a country no problem with the Biden admin

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AReckoningIsComing 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just before Xmas? Jappy bastards!

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Brent75 1 point ago +1 / -0

I will never forget as both my grandfathers served in the Pacific. 1 was a medical supply runner for front line medics on both the taking of Iwo Jima and Saipan. The other was in the first Platoon to arrive in Japan to navigate the dangers of disarming a people that with exception for the main island, did not know they had officially surrendered. And that took weeks of village to village, town to town, being shot at and having to put interpreters on the line explaining Japan had surrendered.

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CookingGrams1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Want the truth, look at who financed both sides of the war, actually all wars. Even Patton stated in a letter to his wife, "We were fighting on the wrong side". Truth is this was a set up too.

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TheAwakened 0 points ago +2 / -2

And your government knew about it days in advance and let it happen

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DrMcCoy 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just before 9/11 they were saying: "We need another Pearl Harbor." So they took down the Twin Towers.

Refreshing to see people know what really happened in WWII. In the past, you never saw that.

I hope people will see we are often sent to wars to fill the bank accounts of sociopath, psychotic, obscenely rich monsters and stop sending their children to war for these bastards. Perhaps the Great Awakening will achieve that and there will be peace.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Climate change began with our government wanting to find a replacement for war which would still inspire patriotism enough to pay taxes.

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