Good book called Day of Deceit does a pretty good job telling us to some degree about how much FDR knew and how the leadership in pearl harbor was intentionally kept in the dark on intelligence regarding the movement of the Japanese. In addition, the US had intentionally drawn fire from the Japanese using a long list of provocations. It's certain that FDR wanted us in the world war and provoked the attack on pearl harbor to make it happen all while leaving the naval leadership on the ground in the dark.
FDR asked a lead Analyst “what could we do to instigate war with Japan” and was literally handed the list of what to do.
FDR then did exactly those things. The Japanese also had a code of Bushido and couldn’t do a surprise attack. They told us through their ambassador in DC they had declared war and would attack the western United States.
A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore
B. Make an arrangement with the Netherlands for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific[,] in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire
If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.
There is mystery and suspicion around what exactly happened - but Japan absolutely intended to declare war in person citing the flagrant disregard for seeking a common ground ( their words ). They basically said it was obvious the United States was not interested in working things out - therefore there "would be no further negotiations"
Development of the aircraft carrier spelled the end of the battleship as viable warship. They needed casualties though, and the battleships were left behind, intentionally.
None of the class of battleships destroyed that day ever did anything useful in the war, they were all WW1 vintage and the enemy had superior technology. They all would have been sunk in combat if not at the harbor that day. Not that I approve at all, just an interesting fact.
All three aircraft carriers were out of port on this weekend. So our most valuable assets were saved. Interestingly all three aircraft carriers were out of port during the previous weekend. The Navy had broken the Japanese code many months before. They knew.
Lives were lost. However, that's a different subject than what my mentioning concerned. FDR knew about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor beforehand. This is why these ships were moved in to port and others removed. It was an intentional act and FDR knew lives would be lost. Pearl Harbor is similar to 9-11. Our government knew beforehand and didn't act to prevent lives from being lost.
My mom and dad were both involved deeply in WWII. Dad was a Navy corpsman with the Marines in the South Pacific and saw some truly bad shit. My mom worked at the secret Oak Ridge (TN) atomic bomb plant refining uranium for the two bombs dropped on Japan. Oh the stories they told after the war. From what people told me who knew them in high school, neither one of them were the same after the war... dad had nightmares the rest of his life and his health was ruined in the jungles of the Pacific islands. Mom became less introspective and a true leader in our small community and the church.
Thanks for recognizing that. Yes he did. Because of that experience and his lifelong admiration for the USMC, both my brother and I joined the Corps when we grew up. Best time of our lives, and I would do it again, although I know I would be rejected due to my age now.
Oh my mom and dad were fully behind dropping the 2 atomic bombs on Japan. They saw it, and I agree, as a way to end the war without the high casualties that invading Japan would have cost.
Well I'm old enough to remember the time after WWII and there was ZERO moral ambiguity among most of the US population over "the bomb." A few liberals wrung their hands and clutched their pearl necklaces, but we thought that they were just odd ducks. Never forget that Japan started it and the Christian US nation was all too happy to end it. In my small community of Baptists and Methodists, no one had any guilt over the matter. It was a very different time back then, and it may be hard for younger people today to understand that.
I didn't take your question as critical, I just answered it as truthfully as I could. No offense taken. It was a good question.
People of my generation don't have much moral ambiguity, and tend to see things in black and white terms. Common sense ruled back then. The most radical thing I recall from those days was a woman called Madeline Murray O'Hara who was an atheist and won a court battle to remove God and religion from the public schools.
So that was the cultural and political landscape back then.
As a former FMF Corpsman myself, your father is an idol to me. We all wanted to be as good as them. My GF flew Hellcats in the Pacific. He did his share of damage. My hero growing up.
The attack was known way before hand and allowed to happen to get public support for entry in to the war. The best ships were moved ahead of time. We had an oil embargo against Japan which provoked them to either attack or run out of fuel for the entire country of Japan.
bottom line is that the DeepState had a couple of shiny new toys that they wanted to show off and the world would learn of a new weapon of mass destruction.
"killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in retaliation for a military raid on a military base was the most merciful thing that could have been done."
I’m serious when I say thank you for letting us know. My school system in North Carolina never even told us about World War II, except the holocaust happened. We even had a teacher who claimed that World War II did not even happen!
At the local watering hole in Northern Virginia, the bartender said she had a master's degree from George Washington University in DC. She strongly agreed with Japan for bombing Pearl harbor. We ask her why. She said the reason was because we dropped the A bomb on them.
This should be stickied for today in the least. While most of us were not alive during that, we should appreciate that brave men and women fought for us.
Regardless of the truth or lies that got us in the war, we had many service members who sacrificed and some who gave all doing what they believed was right. There are not many left anymore and we must always honor them for their sacrifice and service frens
WW2 was a launch pad for communism. It is what made the soviets a super power.
We should have stayed out of it for the most part. Hawaii wasn't really ours at that point and when you consider all of the Hawaiian islands including the NW islands where aces like Midway atoll are located the island chain is actually closer to Japan.
Now we are in the verge of going through war with Russia. They are preparing to take the Ukraine to which Biden says he will send troops to fight Russia.
Meanwhile China takes a country no problem with the Biden admin
I will never forget as both my grandfathers served in the Pacific. 1 was a medical supply runner for front line medics on both the taking of Iwo Jima and Saipan. The other was in the first Platoon to arrive in Japan to navigate the dangers of disarming a people that with exception for the main island, did not know they had officially surrendered. And that took weeks of village to village, town to town, being shot at and having to put interpreters on the line explaining Japan had surrendered.
Want the truth, look at who financed both sides of the war, actually all wars. Even Patton stated in a letter to his wife, "We were fighting on the wrong side". Truth is this was a set up too.
Too bad we don't know the truth. Like 9/11 we just see the effect.
Good book called Day of Deceit does a pretty good job telling us to some degree about how much FDR knew and how the leadership in pearl harbor was intentionally kept in the dark on intelligence regarding the movement of the Japanese. In addition, the US had intentionally drawn fire from the Japanese using a long list of provocations. It's certain that FDR wanted us in the world war and provoked the attack on pearl harbor to make it happen all while leaving the naval leadership on the ground in the dark.
This.
Research the McCollum Memo.
FDR asked a lead Analyst “what could we do to instigate war with Japan” and was literally handed the list of what to do.
FDR then did exactly those things. The Japanese also had a code of Bushido and couldn’t do a surprise attack. They told us through their ambassador in DC they had declared war and would attack the western United States.
A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore
B. Make an arrangement with the Netherlands for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific[,] in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.
Yes. The attack was planned to happen at 1:20 - 1:30 and the Ambassador of Japan supposedly was planned to delivery the declaration at 1:00PM
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/WorldWar2/memo.htm
There is mystery and suspicion around what exactly happened - but Japan absolutely intended to declare war in person citing the flagrant disregard for seeking a common ground ( their words ). They basically said it was obvious the United States was not interested in working things out - therefore there "would be no further negotiations"
The Japanese claimed they tried to message about it 2 weeks prior. I left that out.
It’s one of those things we know very little about.
If I recall the actual memo was locked under National Security law for 55 years or so.
So what else has changed?
They've just increased their entrenchment in the government.
We know enough to know we’ve been fucked, and not just by the Japanese.
We should really stop celebrating the wars the global manipulators have dragged this nation into.
I have grandfathers that fought in both theaters of WW2 and they knew this.
Development of the aircraft carrier spelled the end of the battleship as viable warship. They needed casualties though, and the battleships were left behind, intentionally.
None of the class of battleships destroyed that day ever did anything useful in the war, they were all WW1 vintage and the enemy had superior technology. They all would have been sunk in combat if not at the harbor that day. Not that I approve at all, just an interesting fact.
All three aircraft carriers were out of port on this weekend. So our most valuable assets were saved. Interestingly all three aircraft carriers were out of port during the previous weekend. The Navy had broken the Japanese code many months before. They knew.
Old naval ships were placed in Pearl Harbor while the fleet valuable ships were elsewhere.
Lives were lost. However, that's a different subject than what my mentioning concerned. FDR knew about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor beforehand. This is why these ships were moved in to port and others removed. It was an intentional act and FDR knew lives would be lost. Pearl Harbor is similar to 9-11. Our government knew beforehand and didn't act to prevent lives from being lost.
Try this article. If one searches on the internet, there's many more..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBpozPL5Og
My mom and dad were both involved deeply in WWII. Dad was a Navy corpsman with the Marines in the South Pacific and saw some truly bad shit. My mom worked at the secret Oak Ridge (TN) atomic bomb plant refining uranium for the two bombs dropped on Japan. Oh the stories they told after the war. From what people told me who knew them in high school, neither one of them were the same after the war... dad had nightmares the rest of his life and his health was ruined in the jungles of the Pacific islands. Mom became less introspective and a true leader in our small community and the church.
My dad hated "the Japs" for the rest of his life.
Navy corpsman -- Marines --- South Pacific. He went through hell.
Thanks for recognizing that. Yes he did. Because of that experience and his lifelong admiration for the USMC, both my brother and I joined the Corps when we grew up. Best time of our lives, and I would do it again, although I know I would be rejected due to my age now.
Your parents and other Patriots responded with honor. It is the government that is dishonorable.
At the risk of being insensitive (I'm not trying to be, I swear), what were your mom's feelings on the bomb? I recently saw Oppenheimer's famous quote about it, so I'm curious about this...
That being said, I can't imagine the hell your father must have gone through, or the strain it must have put on your family...
Oh my mom and dad were fully behind dropping the 2 atomic bombs on Japan. They saw it, and I agree, as a way to end the war without the high casualties that invading Japan would have cost.
Agreed, but I can only imagine how much that would weigh on a person to feel responsible for so much death, even if it was necessary...
Well I'm old enough to remember the time after WWII and there was ZERO moral ambiguity among most of the US population over "the bomb." A few liberals wrung their hands and clutched their pearl necklaces, but we thought that they were just odd ducks. Never forget that Japan started it and the Christian US nation was all too happy to end it. In my small community of Baptists and Methodists, no one had any guilt over the matter. It was a very different time back then, and it may be hard for younger people today to understand that.
I pray you're right, patriot.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical. I only saw that Oppenheimer clip recently and it really got to me...
I didn't take your question as critical, I just answered it as truthfully as I could. No offense taken. It was a good question.
People of my generation don't have much moral ambiguity, and tend to see things in black and white terms. Common sense ruled back then. The most radical thing I recall from those days was a woman called Madeline Murray O'Hara who was an atheist and won a court battle to remove God and religion from the public schools.
So that was the cultural and political landscape back then.
What was the joke?
lol.
As a former FMF Corpsman myself, your father is an idol to me. We all wanted to be as good as them. My GF flew Hellcats in the Pacific. He did his share of damage. My hero growing up.
Roger that.
The attack was known way before hand and allowed to happen to get public support for entry in to the war. The best ships were moved ahead of time. We had an oil embargo against Japan which provoked them to either attack or run out of fuel for the entire country of Japan.
False flag, tbh.
bottom line is that the DeepState had a couple of shiny new toys that they wanted to show off and the world would learn of a new weapon of mass destruction.
The Atomic Bomb is born.
I'll also never forget US literally nuked two towns full of civilians, which was 100000x worse than Pearl harbor
Much better if a million American troops died during a conventional invasion of Japan, huh?
Also, something that's rarely ever been mentioned, is the millions of Japanese lives that would have been lost if we would have had to invade.
something something don't fucking kill civilians intentionally?
Something something don’t start some shit you can’t finish.
Something something don’t nuke cities filled with civilians
til US did not nuke 2 cities filled with civilians\
you're a fucking moron lmao
"killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in retaliation for a military raid on a military base was the most merciful thing that could have been done."
you cant be this fucking stupid, lol
The Marquis of Queensbury has spoken!
No, no, it was a generous gift.
Thank you, American patriots! You responded with honor, even though Pearl Harbor was the most EVIL false flag until the COVID-19 false flag.
I’m serious when I say thank you for letting us know. My school system in North Carolina never even told us about World War II, except the holocaust happened. We even had a teacher who claimed that World War II did not even happen!
At the local watering hole in Northern Virginia, the bartender said she had a master's degree from George Washington University in DC. She strongly agreed with Japan for bombing Pearl harbor. We ask her why. She said the reason was because we dropped the A bomb on them.
A female graduate of Washington State said the same thing at our dinner table in the 1980’s.
The sad part about that is that once they learn this, it's impossible for them to unlearn it.
It was not abrupt. The knowledge of it happening, was already shared.
On a second note: some bombs had stickers on them, called postal-stamps. You know, to make it legal?
The only problem the japs had: they were 45 minutes too early.
80 years ago the deep state entered us into their fake world War.
Never again
Thanks Rothchilds...
This should be stickied for today in the least. While most of us were not alive during that, we should appreciate that brave men and women fought for us.
A date which will live in infamy.
Regardless of the truth or lies that got us in the war, we had many service members who sacrificed and some who gave all doing what they believed was right. There are not many left anymore and we must always honor them for their sacrifice and service frens
And [who] instigated this?
I knew a guy that was at the army airfield that day. Nice guy. Died about ten years ago.
WW2 was a launch pad for communism. It is what made the soviets a super power.
We should have stayed out of it for the most part. Hawaii wasn't really ours at that point and when you consider all of the Hawaiian islands including the NW islands where aces like Midway atoll are located the island chain is actually closer to Japan.
Now we are in the verge of going through war with Russia. They are preparing to take the Ukraine to which Biden says he will send troops to fight Russia.
Meanwhile China takes a country no problem with the Biden admin
Just before Xmas? Jappy bastards!
I will never forget as both my grandfathers served in the Pacific. 1 was a medical supply runner for front line medics on both the taking of Iwo Jima and Saipan. The other was in the first Platoon to arrive in Japan to navigate the dangers of disarming a people that with exception for the main island, did not know they had officially surrendered. And that took weeks of village to village, town to town, being shot at and having to put interpreters on the line explaining Japan had surrendered.
Want the truth, look at who financed both sides of the war, actually all wars. Even Patton stated in a letter to his wife, "We were fighting on the wrong side". Truth is this was a set up too.