Ok, so it's well known by this point (by both Watkins and Q) that there is much skepticism that the new Q is real.
So this new post could be either 1 of 2 things.
It could be Q
It could be Watkins realizing people don't believe him and taking a 2nd shot at trying to fool everyone, by acknowledging the earlier scam while simultaneously trying to scam again.
Edit: apparently the delta happened as anons from here were watching for it. So that's good news and seems to confirm that Q is back and all the previous "new Q" posts (4954,55,56,57 and 4958) were all Watkins trying to scam us.
First observation is, whether this new post is really Q or not ... Watkins is absolutely 100% guilty.
After that, we ask whether this new post is really Q or not. It's impossible to judge any deltas on a compromised system because Watkins can simply adjust times on posts.
Q needs to post something that undeniably confirms themselves. One of the first times there was doubt on his tripcode, he posted a sequential image flying over North Korea. Another similar sequential image would suffice.
There's undoubtedly 100s of different ways Q could confirm themselves, but doing so with deltas on 8chan is going to be difficult knowing that Watkins can change any post times as he pleases.
Keeping the "messaging on 8chan only" is silly at this point because the system is 100% compromised either way.
How could your personal choices have relevance to anyone else? No snark meant. Wondering about relevance since Q repeatedly urged readers to learn to think for themselves.
This is why we packed up Q's posts to multiple external websites including downloading of archives onto local storage that can't be altered.
I still have an archive from the week Q went dark, I could always reference that if needed. I'm not autistic enough so I'd have to be asked to look specifically.
At this point, if real Q were to come back, it'd have to be on something like Truth social where we know that it's Q. If Watkins can change anything at will then there's no point in trusting anything on his board.
Q on Truth wouldn't be good for their goal, sadly.
But it's clear Watkins needs to be handled by that team.
Knew he was sketchy when the media was walking a Watkins around as if he was Q. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree..almost as if they were planning for this for a while, and are now trying to set it up for their narrative.
Excuse me for not being able to connect the dots here, but your statement “Watkins is 100% guilty” does not comport with the option “• It could be Q.” I understand the concept that Watkins has the ability to spoof on his site, but what specifically is Watkins 100% guilty of and why do we know this to be fact?
I think he is saying that if we assume that the new Q (the one without tripcodes, and with zero-delta) is the real Q and we believe him when he said "Locked out by Watkins" and believe that to be 100% true, then even the 0 delta would be questionable because Watkins could have done it by spoofing the times.
However Anons have confirmed here that the watched it as it dropped. So I believe the 0 Delta is real.
Ahh, I didn’t notice the absence of the tripcode. So if it were true that Q’s passcode had been whitelisted, and thus not changed, would that mean the original tripcode would also be intact; thus there would be no reason for, and thus no Q post without the original tripcode?
I think they mean, if it really is Q, the 2nd post captured by OP says "locked out by Watkins," presumably meaning Watkins locked Q out so that Q could not use the trip code.
apparently the delta happened as anons from here were watching for it. So that's good news and seems to confirm that Q is back and all the previous "new Q" posts (4954,55,56,57 and 4958) were all Watkins trying to scam us.
Just to be logically thorough, it is possible that someone could have set a script to watch for Trump's truth, then immediately make the post on 8kun, and then fix the timestamp right away - we are talking about seconds here, and people watching it live could have missed it.
I do find it suspicious that the seconds match exactly. As far as I remember, they used to have trouble matching the seconds exactly because of two different platforms.
I find it sus that he calls out Jim Watkins by name. Was never his style for a couple of reasons.
Lots of bad actors. If the claims are true, is it not possible that the board is compromised by bad actors, not necessarily Jim? Wouldn’t it be more like Q to just say, as he has in the past, the board is compromised.
It almost sounds childish. “Jim locked me out!! Reeeee!”
He also state that his passphrase was not generating the correct trip. So where are the posts with the bad trip codes?
A lot of black hats are afraid of Q. Would love to see division and to discredit. We are going to have to use extra caution and discernment as it works itself out.
Not sure that applies the way you think- it was more than two different platforms, it was the ever-changing route that POTUS' messages took through the WH servers and firewalls versus the Chan routes. Now POTUS is on TS and I would have to believe that their timing is better established.
Its a legitimate question. Luckily zero deltas were just one part of the Q proof. We had Trump saying things people asked Q to get him to say. We had uncanny future predictions, and we saw Q stringers in action. So we were sure that Q was legit regardless of the deltas, and if Q at that time trusted CMZ then we have no reason to suspect the deltas as well.
Even with the new Q - I am expecting other proofs beyond deltas. The proof is always in the pudding.
Ok, so it's well known by this point (by both Watkins and Q) that there is much skepticism that the new Q is real.
So this new post could be either 1 of 2 things.
Edit: apparently the delta happened as anons from here were watching for it. So that's good news and seems to confirm that Q is back and all the previous "new Q" posts (4954,55,56,57 and 4958) were all Watkins trying to scam us.
First observation is, whether this new post is really Q or not ... Watkins is absolutely 100% guilty.
After that, we ask whether this new post is really Q or not. It's impossible to judge any deltas on a compromised system because Watkins can simply adjust times on posts.
Q needs to post something that undeniably confirms themselves. One of the first times there was doubt on his tripcode, he posted a sequential image flying over North Korea. Another similar sequential image would suffice.
There's undoubtedly 100s of different ways Q could confirm themselves, but doing so with deltas on 8chan is going to be difficult knowing that Watkins can change any post times as he pleases.
Keeping the "messaging on 8chan only" is silly at this point because the system is 100% compromised either way.
Until I get more proofs I won´t take new drops as valid.
How could your personal choices have relevance to anyone else? No snark meant. Wondering about relevance since Q repeatedly urged readers to learn to think for themselves.
And that's what they're doing, and you're trying to minimize that. Derp.
I haven't seen "derp" since agar.io was popular! Brings back good memories!
This is why we packed up Q's posts to multiple external websites including downloading of archives onto local storage that can't be altered.
I still have an archive from the week Q went dark, I could always reference that if needed. I'm not autistic enough so I'd have to be asked to look specifically.
At this point, if real Q were to come back, it'd have to be on something like Truth social where we know that it's Q. If Watkins can change anything at will then there's no point in trusting anything on his board.
Q on Truth wouldn't be good for their goal, sadly.
But it's clear Watkins needs to be handled by that team.
Knew he was sketchy when the media was walking a Watkins around as if he was Q. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree..almost as if they were planning for this for a while, and are now trying to set it up for their narrative.
"Q would have to". 😂😂😂😂
Suit yourself however Q and Trump will suit their plans rather than conforming to your commands and decrees
So "we know".
Who is this " we" you claim to speak for? Suffering from a Multiple Personality Disorder? Possessed by demons? 😘
Brilliant analysis. Thanks for using your precious time to make such a helpful and intelligent post
Excuse me for not being able to connect the dots here, but your statement “Watkins is 100% guilty” does not comport with the option “• It could be Q.” I understand the concept that Watkins has the ability to spoof on his site, but what specifically is Watkins 100% guilty of and why do we know this to be fact?
I think he is saying that if we assume that the new Q (the one without tripcodes, and with zero-delta) is the real Q and we believe him when he said "Locked out by Watkins" and believe that to be 100% true, then even the 0 delta would be questionable because Watkins could have done it by spoofing the times.
However Anons have confirmed here that the watched it as it dropped. So I believe the 0 Delta is real.
Ahh, I didn’t notice the absence of the tripcode. So if it were true that Q’s passcode had been whitelisted, and thus not changed, would that mean the original tripcode would also be intact; thus there would be no reason for, and thus no Q post without the original tripcode?
I must be misunderstanding, I read these posts as Q putting the time Trump was going to post to the second in the post not in the time Q posted?
Noob learning about this Q stuff here
You picked a helluva rime to join lol no-one knows wtf is going on at this point.
I think they mean, if it really is Q, the 2nd post captured by OP says "locked out by Watkins," presumably meaning Watkins locked Q out so that Q could not use the trip code.
Lock out caused by Watkins shutting down TOR, which Watkins talked about in his 8Kun message?
Where / how did Q post that he's locked out by Watkins?
Read the OP ffs..
Just to be logically thorough, it is possible that someone could have set a script to watch for Trump's truth, then immediately make the post on 8kun, and then fix the timestamp right away - we are talking about seconds here, and people watching it live could have missed it.
I do find it suspicious that the seconds match exactly. As far as I remember, they used to have trouble matching the seconds exactly because of two different platforms.
I find it sus that he calls out Jim Watkins by name. Was never his style for a couple of reasons.
Lots of bad actors. If the claims are true, is it not possible that the board is compromised by bad actors, not necessarily Jim? Wouldn’t it be more like Q to just say, as he has in the past, the board is compromised.
It almost sounds childish. “Jim locked me out!! Reeeee!”
He also state that his passphrase was not generating the correct trip. So where are the posts with the bad trip codes?
A lot of black hats are afraid of Q. Would love to see division and to discredit. We are going to have to use extra caution and discernment as it works itself out.
I agree, I immediately thought “locked out by Watkins” seemed out of character for a Q post.
Agree
the bad trips can't post, cause they need to be whitelisted.
Not sure that applies the way you think- it was more than two different platforms, it was the ever-changing route that POTUS' messages took through the WH servers and firewalls versus the Chan routes. Now POTUS is on TS and I would have to believe that their timing is better established.
Ignore what I said because looks like the 0 delta today did have around 10 second difference.
Pre or post DJT Truth? Anything post can be faked with a script, as you noted above.
Very good point. And if they can time their Deltas more consistently, we'll soon be past these discussions over authenticity.
Its a legitimate question. Luckily zero deltas were just one part of the Q proof. We had Trump saying things people asked Q to get him to say. We had uncanny future predictions, and we saw Q stringers in action. So we were sure that Q was legit regardless of the deltas, and if Q at that time trusted CMZ then we have no reason to suspect the deltas as well.
Even with the new Q - I am expecting other proofs beyond deltas. The proof is always in the pudding.