This pretty much sums up for me as well. Not impressed with his need to vocalize his disapproval of Q, but I have supported him long enough to know he is not some shill. I believe he is for the most part, based, and genuinely loves America, but like so many that we know, has just not yet been confronted with that “how many coincidences before impossible” moment. There are, in fact, layers to this red pill!
This is shill behavior. Anyone who references drop 1 is a shill. Look at every single hit piece about Q, they all talk about post 1. Move on. If you’ve read the posts, especially if you did live, you’d know there is a 0.00% chance Q is fake.
I used to watch Mark Dice every morning, too; I still watch occasionally. Its sad that he doesn't believe in Q, but what does it matter? There are tons of people that I watch and follow that don't believe in Q. Frankly, there are some excellent information sources that I would like to share here but I don't because many people here seem so opposed to anyone that doesn't follow Q.
You should share anyway IMO. IDK where Brian Cates is on it now, but he was once very anti-Q or whatever, and it would have been a shame to miss out on his research. Same with Conservative Treehouse. I don't accept or agree with everything either one of them say all the time, but I almost always learn something I didn't know. You can't get to the truth if you start censoring out voices.
People who are not pro Q are not implicitly anti Q, that is just a strawman. A lot of people just don't know what to think about it or are misinformed or don't care, they shouldn't be canceled or burned at the stake just because they don't think the same as you. People who are misinformed by muh Qanon shills can have good ideas and good information.
Mark Dice went anti-Q... no ambiguity there. If people are neutral, that is not an issue. Anti-Q content and sources ON A Q RESEARCH SITE is what the moron above was talking about. If that is what you want, there is no shortage of corporate media sites to choose from.
This is just another variation of "muh free speech", etc. that is parroted by shills everywhere. I baffles me why some people have such a hard time understanding that.
A) I was not referring to Mark Dice, he is not an information source, he is entertainment at best, and doesn't matter in the slightest.
B) This is not a free speech issue. If someone has information that is relevant to Q, and they happen to not believe in Q, does that make their information less relevant? If Seth Rich knocked on your door I bet you would fucking turn him away because he's a fucking democrat and thinks Q is baloney.
Kindly take your bullshit strawmanning and fuck the hell off you dumb faggot retard.
The "litmus test" is just another leftist thought process we must eliminate. How many former leftists, who simply asked a single question, were run out of their former friend circles because they didn't quite sign on to the 'current thing?' I'd be willing to bet the number would shock most of us. They KNOW how the left operates, and yet still got burned by it. The primal itch to attack those that don't quite agree with you on that one topic you hold most dear is tough to not scratch.
"The problem is the moment someone says one thing..." That's a strawman and also a false dichotomy. I said use your heads: use your DISCERNMENT. I didn't say dump the source on the first offense. In my opinion, Dice has produced questions and doubt for YEARS. This isn't his first 'slip up'. Just being able to STAY on YouTube and other Silicon Valley platforms, while EVERYONE else gets canceled, is a massive red flag. ...but I get how fans work and a FAN: a FANatic will never let go of daddy.
People also aren't robots. Not our side of people, at least. While you are safe to assume certain people are compromised based on who they associate with, that doesn't mean they are in every case.
I agree. The Alex Jones crowd gives you enough information to make people trust them, and then they throw in propaganda. I think some people go on his show just to get their story or information ou, and they are good people. But others are strong cronies of Jones. Jones never knew about Q or spoke about him for weeks. I think he found out that he was losing viewers to Q posts. Then all of a sudden, Jones pushed his guy "Zak" as being on the inside with Q. And Corsi gave the worst Q interpretations ever. He never even looked at them or researched them before the show. He always said, "I think this means". Pathetic. He always pushed his book. Then Q came out and said be careful of those that sell things. That post seemed tailor made for Jones and Corsi! And Q said they had no people on the inside who reported. I think the theory that Jones is Mossad just might be right.
The problem with that idea is that if everyone did that then the ones in the conservative public sphere will be whittled down to a handful to be able to purple pill the hordes of normies.
Normies going cold turkey with real truth will kill them.
Just look at patriot win, many still there not here. Just look at Alex Jones crowds, many still there, not here. Even after so many years of Q.
I don't always listen to Dice but he seems fair and truthful when he speaks so that's the best you can hope for.
I upvoted your first comment and downvoted the above.
You're exactly right that Dice is prioritizing his brand. He mocks liberals because it's easy and conservatives throw t-shirt money at him. He'd mock conservatives if it was the other way around.
And you know this for sure how? There are levels of truth that can be targeted without a person just being bad. Once the media is gone everyone who is after truth should be telling the full of it, but until then we need people at each level of awakening to ease people into the fact that much of their entire reality is a lie. Force-feeding the whole truth to people will just cause them to shut down and go back into their cave of normality where they feel safe.
Your ideal only works in a perfect world. We don't live in a perfect world.
What you're saying has nothing to do with Dice, IMO.
He's not just some normie who has never been exposed to Q. By now he must have seen some of the proofs. People have tried to explain it to him. If he cares about this country, why didn't he at least look at the facts before publicly attacking?
This might be it. He’s talked about “conspiratorial” stuff to levels I would expect he would truly clearly see the Q movement but obviously is being reactive about defending his brand?
I’m actually disappointed about this. I love Mark as someone who continuously exposed the faggotry on the left. It was only the other day I watched his recent video (as I always do) where he did verbally say anyone who follows Q was a fool. And now this, just to reinforce it.
Thank you again to this community helping expose the truth.
Mark Dice has had some good content, but he's ignorant. He doesn't even do basic research on some of his claims, and I've been able to debunk him with a simple web search.
A few days ago, I noticed a YouTuber who Mark Dice has repeatedly plugged (Scotty Kilmer, the auto mechanic) was pimping Biden policies hard while skipping some major problems with those policies (this is far from the first time, too). I deleted the guy from my subscriptions, but I was left wondering why Mark Dice would've promoted him to begin with.
I've wondered for years how Dice keeps his channel. I suspect he's a confidence man, allowed to continue for the purpose of subtle misdirected all along, or some future major misdirection all at once. No one real is permitted to stay on YouTube.
In fact, I've dropped a few formerly apolitical channels who came out in support of the Biden occupation's policies leading up to midterms. One of them even accidentally exposed his own blatant lie about use of his battery vehicle right in the same video.
These shady come-outs reminded me very much of the exposed "white monkey job" influencers who China pays to spread flat-out lies in their favor. The commie occupation has already been caught doing this with TikTokers; I'm sure they're paying off the top youtubers, too, and I think I'm seeing evidence of that leading into the election.
You could use that line to excuse anyone, including any member of the DS. Let's use at least some base-line discernment and common sense here: how many hundreds or thousands of legit patriots had their channels deleted off of YouTube through the past six years? How many MILLIONS of conservative viewers had their accounts put on permanent mute for dissenting??? No one real is allowed to remain on Suzan's maoist, satanic video platform.
Conservative Incorporated. Basically, yeah establishment conservatives in media like Hannity, but also people like Alex Jones and his crowd, Shapiro, etc.
There's a big difference between someone who lacks the cognitive capabilities to follow a set of data to a conclusion they view as unlikely, versus a "Shill".
I think Mark is being rather stupid here, but calling him a shill seems wildly unfair given his track record.
In Dice's first book he spent several chapters kicking the memory of Bill Cooper; that was all I needed to hear to know that he's a big phony. His interviews with dumb people are amusing but there's not much substance there IMO...
I agree. I like Mark Dice, but this will not age well. Anyone who blatantly maligns Q or anons is sus at this point. He's a SMART man. Still on youtube (which also makes me wonder why his channel is still up), knows how to keep his channel up with all the censorship, etc, so he knows Q is Trump and anons are the news. He's either a coward or co-op'd at this point.
I don’t listen to or follow Mark Dice, but what does ‘Q is as fake as CNN’ even mean? There are Q posts, they do exist and aren’t fake. Who or what Q is is a different story, but the posts are real. When he says 90% of what Q posted is demonstrably false, that tells me he never read the posts and instead went by what people interpreted them to mean. That seems to be the case for most MAGA people who hate Q.
Nobody that intelligent really believes Q is not real.
He might claim Q doesn’t have “everything under complete control” (although there IS some evidence to that fact. (Biden reissuing Trumps executive order)
Plus there is always that “misinformation is necessary” thing that can invalidate anything Q discusses.
I remember him years ago making a short skit about how the military came to his house to learn how he gets his msg across so effectively. Mark has been red pilling for a long time now. They went to learn from him. This was few yrs b4 Q. If anyone has the patience to find that vid. Plz do. Might explain his stance.
This pretty much sums up for me as well. Not impressed with his need to vocalize his disapproval of Q, but I have supported him long enough to know he is not some shill. I believe he is for the most part, based, and genuinely loves America, but like so many that we know, has just not yet been confronted with that “how many coincidences before impossible” moment. There are, in fact, layers to this red pill!
This is shill behavior. Anyone who references drop 1 is a shill. Look at every single hit piece about Q, they all talk about post 1. Move on. If you’ve read the posts, especially if you did live, you’d know there is a 0.00% chance Q is fake.
I used to watch Mark Dice every morning, too; I still watch occasionally. Its sad that he doesn't believe in Q, but what does it matter? There are tons of people that I watch and follow that don't believe in Q. Frankly, there are some excellent information sources that I would like to share here but I don't because many people here seem so opposed to anyone that doesn't follow Q.
You should share anyway IMO. IDK where Brian Cates is on it now, but he was once very anti-Q or whatever, and it would have been a shame to miss out on his research. Same with Conservative Treehouse. I don't accept or agree with everything either one of them say all the time, but I almost always learn something I didn't know. You can't get to the truth if you start censoring out voices.
See why I don't?
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Ignore the haters. ;)
Gee... imagine that a Q research site, with President Trump overtly signalling his support of Q... would not be interested in anti-Q sources.
Shocking, I know... right? Holy shit, some people are stupid.
People who are not pro Q are not implicitly anti Q, that is just a strawman. A lot of people just don't know what to think about it or are misinformed or don't care, they shouldn't be canceled or burned at the stake just because they don't think the same as you. People who are misinformed by muh Qanon shills can have good ideas and good information.
Mark Dice went anti-Q... no ambiguity there. If people are neutral, that is not an issue. Anti-Q content and sources ON A Q RESEARCH SITE is what the moron above was talking about. If that is what you want, there is no shortage of corporate media sites to choose from.
This is just another variation of "muh free speech", etc. that is parroted by shills everywhere. I baffles me why some people have such a hard time understanding that.
A) I was not referring to Mark Dice, he is not an information source, he is entertainment at best, and doesn't matter in the slightest.
B) This is not a free speech issue. If someone has information that is relevant to Q, and they happen to not believe in Q, does that make their information less relevant? If Seth Rich knocked on your door I bet you would fucking turn him away because he's a fucking democrat and thinks Q is baloney.
Kindly take your bullshit strawmanning and fuck the hell off you dumb faggot retard.
Your leftism is showing...
The "litmus test" is just another leftist thought process we must eliminate. How many former leftists, who simply asked a single question, were run out of their former friend circles because they didn't quite sign on to the 'current thing?' I'd be willing to bet the number would shock most of us. They KNOW how the left operates, and yet still got burned by it. The primal itch to attack those that don't quite agree with you on that one topic you hold most dear is tough to not scratch.
'Yea, we should stop judging character and filtering influence as soon as possible.' 🙄
The problem isn't judging character, or filtering influence or whatever.
The problem is the moment someone says one thing that someone else doesn't like, they're automatically a shill or the enemy or disingenuous etc.
Our movement, and that goes for Patriots too, needs to understand that it is impossible to agree on every point with another person.
"The problem is the moment someone says one thing..." That's a strawman and also a false dichotomy. I said use your heads: use your DISCERNMENT. I didn't say dump the source on the first offense. In my opinion, Dice has produced questions and doubt for YEARS. This isn't his first 'slip up'. Just being able to STAY on YouTube and other Silicon Valley platforms, while EVERYONE else gets canceled, is a massive red flag. ...but I get how fans work and a FAN: a FANatic will never let go of daddy.
There is a fine line between proper gatekeeping and leftist purity tests.
I like him too.. but I don’t use him as an authority on truth.
He probably deleted it because he realized he never actually took the time to look into Q so shouldn't comment.
Anyone close to Alex Jones you can be safe to assume they are shills
Like General Flynn, Dr. Malone, Dr. Zelenko?
Going on a show does not mean you are associated with the host.
But repeatedly going on a show and in the case of at least Zelenko having repeated private correspondence is
People also aren't robots. Not our side of people, at least. While you are safe to assume certain people are compromised based on who they associate with, that doesn't mean they are in every case.
If only it were that easy to see through the fog of war.
I agree. The Alex Jones crowd gives you enough information to make people trust them, and then they throw in propaganda. I think some people go on his show just to get their story or information ou, and they are good people. But others are strong cronies of Jones. Jones never knew about Q or spoke about him for weeks. I think he found out that he was losing viewers to Q posts. Then all of a sudden, Jones pushed his guy "Zak" as being on the inside with Q. And Corsi gave the worst Q interpretations ever. He never even looked at them or researched them before the show. He always said, "I think this means". Pathetic. He always pushed his book. Then Q came out and said be careful of those that sell things. That post seemed tailor made for Jones and Corsi! And Q said they had no people on the inside who reported. I think the theory that Jones is Mossad just might be right.
Holy fucking shit the oblivion level ratio on that! WWG1WGA!!!
The guy is playing both sides. He keeps reporting on the esoteric like Bohemian Grove stuff so there's no way he doesn't know what Q is about.
I'm sure he's trying to protect his brand or he'd be deplatformed
Sorry, but if someone prioritizes monetization over telling the truth, they are bought and paid for whether they recognize it or not.
Real patriots speak up about the truth, regardless of whether they lose their job, or lose their status in society.
Look at all our fellow anons have lost, look at all DJT has lost. This is why they've earned my respect.
The problem with that idea is that if everyone did that then the ones in the conservative public sphere will be whittled down to a handful to be able to purple pill the hordes of normies.
Normies going cold turkey with real truth will kill them.
Just look at patriot win, many still there not here. Just look at Alex Jones crowds, many still there, not here. Even after so many years of Q.
I don't always listen to Dice but he seems fair and truthful when he speaks so that's the best you can hope for.
I upvoted your first comment and downvoted the above.
You're exactly right that Dice is prioritizing his brand. He mocks liberals because it's easy and conservatives throw t-shirt money at him. He'd mock conservatives if it was the other way around.
And you know this for sure how? There are levels of truth that can be targeted without a person just being bad. Once the media is gone everyone who is after truth should be telling the full of it, but until then we need people at each level of awakening to ease people into the fact that much of their entire reality is a lie. Force-feeding the whole truth to people will just cause them to shut down and go back into their cave of normality where they feel safe.
Your ideal only works in a perfect world. We don't live in a perfect world.
What you're saying has nothing to do with Dice, IMO.
He's not just some normie who has never been exposed to Q. By now he must have seen some of the proofs. People have tried to explain it to him. If he cares about this country, why didn't he at least look at the facts before publicly attacking?
This might be it. He’s talked about “conspiratorial” stuff to levels I would expect he would truly clearly see the Q movement but obviously is being reactive about defending his brand?
I’m actually disappointed about this. I love Mark as someone who continuously exposed the faggotry on the left. It was only the other day I watched his recent video (as I always do) where he did verbally say anyone who follows Q was a fool. And now this, just to reinforce it.
Thank you again to this community helping expose the truth.
A black-pulled Truther doesn’t believe in Q bc he’s black pilled so he can never see hope.
He was always extremely soft on hard topics. Never cared for Mark except for the interviews on the boardwalks.
Mark Dice has had some good content, but he's ignorant. He doesn't even do basic research on some of his claims, and I've been able to debunk him with a simple web search.
Wether he believes or not, he's bringing a lot of attention to it.
A few days ago, I noticed a YouTuber who Mark Dice has repeatedly plugged (Scotty Kilmer, the auto mechanic) was pimping Biden policies hard while skipping some major problems with those policies (this is far from the first time, too). I deleted the guy from my subscriptions, but I was left wondering why Mark Dice would've promoted him to begin with.
I've wondered for years how Dice keeps his channel. I suspect he's a confidence man, allowed to continue for the purpose of subtle misdirected all along, or some future major misdirection all at once. No one real is permitted to stay on YouTube.
In fact, I've dropped a few formerly apolitical channels who came out in support of the Biden occupation's policies leading up to midterms. One of them even accidentally exposed his own blatant lie about use of his battery vehicle right in the same video.
These shady come-outs reminded me very much of the exposed "white monkey job" influencers who China pays to spread flat-out lies in their favor. The commie occupation has already been caught doing this with TikTokers; I'm sure they're paying off the top youtubers, too, and I think I'm seeing evidence of that leading into the election.
They want you divided
You could use that line to excuse anyone, including any member of the DS. Let's use at least some base-line discernment and common sense here: how many hundreds or thousands of legit patriots had their channels deleted off of YouTube through the past six years? How many MILLIONS of conservative viewers had their accounts put on permanent mute for dissenting??? No one real is allowed to remain on Suzan's maoist, satanic video platform.
ConInc wants Q to be false almost more so than the mainstream fake news.
….who’s ConInc? Establishment Conservatives?
Conservative Incorporated. Basically, yeah establishment conservatives in media like Hannity, but also people like Alex Jones and his crowd, Shapiro, etc.
I think we need to be careful here.
There's a big difference between someone who lacks the cognitive capabilities to follow a set of data to a conclusion they view as unlikely, versus a "Shill".
I think Mark is being rather stupid here, but calling him a shill seems wildly unfair given his track record.
In Dice's first book he spent several chapters kicking the memory of Bill Cooper; that was all I needed to hear to know that he's a big phony. His interviews with dumb people are amusing but there's not much substance there IMO...
I listened to Mark Dice once.
I agree. I like Mark Dice, but this will not age well. Anyone who blatantly maligns Q or anons is sus at this point. He's a SMART man. Still on youtube (which also makes me wonder why his channel is still up), knows how to keep his channel up with all the censorship, etc, so he knows Q is Trump and anons are the news. He's either a coward or co-op'd at this point.
I don’t listen to or follow Mark Dice, but what does ‘Q is as fake as CNN’ even mean? There are Q posts, they do exist and aren’t fake. Who or what Q is is a different story, but the posts are real. When he says 90% of what Q posted is demonstrably false, that tells me he never read the posts and instead went by what people interpreted them to mean. That seems to be the case for most MAGA people who hate Q.
WTF? He still has a YouTube channel??
Nobody that intelligent really believes Q is not real.
He might claim Q doesn’t have “everything under complete control” (although there IS some evidence to that fact. (Biden reissuing Trumps executive order)
Plus there is always that “misinformation is necessary” thing that can invalidate anything Q discusses.
"WTF? He still has a YouTube channel??" Yep, but how? Silicon Valley has scrubbed ANYONE who dissents.
I remember him years ago making a short skit about how the military came to his house to learn how he gets his msg across so effectively. Mark has been red pilling for a long time now. They went to learn from him. This was few yrs b4 Q. If anyone has the patience to find that vid. Plz do. Might explain his stance.
So he's basically a MAGA NPC who's not getting the bigger picture us anons are Lazer focused on, check.
God and Mammon?
I always felt like mark dices man on the street surveys were actually being put to use for the left.
Leftarded people need to be vaporized