This article is sensationalizing things that were known in real time. Operation Warp Speed was very much publicized and there was a lot of handwringing about the military managing the operation. This article from September 2020 documents this very well.
As I read this “armed forces.press” article I find myself disappointed in its parent company Creative Destruction Media. Maybe it is because I’m jaded, but it smacks of trying to provide cover for Fauci and others in the CDC and FDA by blaming the Military. And, doing it through a vehicle that presents itself as representing the military.
This article also ignores that one of the original vaccine skeptics, Joe Biden, was in control of the actual vaccine rollout. But, did Biden put the brakes on the rollout for any kind of additional review, to the contrary, only after Biden became President did the vaccines become mandatory. And, only after the rigged 2020 election did the lethargic FDA get around to issuing their Emergency Use Authorizations.
Crazy question, but since China has its own vaccine, not the pfizer, moderna or j/j product in the US, (and astra zeneca, etc., elsewhere), are we absolutely certain that there really are all of the deaths of Chinese citizens that have been on the news over these past few years?
Just some circumstantial evidence, but my manager was required to take the Chinese vax (Sinovax?) at his previous job in Dubai. When he came here our company was trying to mandate the vax thanks to that OSHA debacle. They would not count him as being vaccinated because he didn't have Pfizer/Moderna/J&J.
Fortunately the OSHA thing was shot down and our company canceled their mandate (which they really didn't want anyway but were being "persuaded").
I suppose what I was trying to ask was, could China be fooling us that they are in the same or worse boat as us with the loss of people. If rest of the industrialized countries lose significant workforce and, perhaps, military age individuals, but China doesn't and just represents to us that they are also hurting, won't we be at a significant disadvantage economically and militarily from lack of people for these positions while China remains at full force? Secondly, if their reports of illness are true, even if 70% are 'covid' sick right now, how damaging is the Omicron Cold? Most people fully functioning with sniffles during Omicron.
I had written something longer, but I think the short version is I think we'd need someone with some legal expertise to go through it. I do recall the specific laws referenced, including Trump making a very big deal about having the military coordinate the rollout of the vaccine in order to speed logistics along as part of Operation Warp Speed I can speak to the liability waivers. They're built into everything. It's nearly impossible to hold Pfizer or Moderna accountable without overtly proving fraud (which would include proving intent, which is a legally challenging thing to do as I understand it). Healthcare providers were given wide latitude. Pharmacists and authorized technicians were given liability shields to administer vaccines, including anything on the CDC schedule on kids down to age 3, so long as the CDC's ACIP schedule was followed.
I'd love to speculate more, but I'll do it elsewhere in the thread.
You would pretty much need, like, their DMs planning it. Perhaps on a platform like Twitter. Maybe coordinating with that same organization (Twitter) to lie.
Never happen.
Did any of them have anything like a Twitter? I wonder how we would even dream of accessing it.
Ah, who am I kidding? You'd probably have to hand those over directly to the military.
I mean, they made the contract ... right?
I guess that means they have jurisdiction. I guess we never see the Fauci files until after the tribunal, or perhaps during?
I wonder if we'd get an invite to most of the trial, probably not.
Of course, a great autist once said "you must show them."
Don't forget the US DoD contract worth 381k to Black & Veatch in a Ukrainian biolab in Oct 2019. B&V was partly funded by Hunter Biden's company Metabiota.
Personally, I believe this was all manufactured at UNC Chapel Hill, Fort Detrick.
With regards to your 2nd statement, take a look at the mysterious 'vaping' deaths and the care home deaths that were attributed to a respiratory illness in and around that area prior to Wuhan. Some uncanny similarities to what later followed.
A youtuber did some great digging on this, possibly unwittingly at the time, but it appears to have been memory holed.
Do you recall the military games in Wuhan in the fall of 2019, where reporters were saying many service people were going down with some mysterious flu?
If you're referring to several dozen Americans who died trying to vape THC, that had nothing to do with this. You had kids who got the bright idea to take vape pens, fill them with THC extracted into oils including Vit E (tocopherol). The vape pens are designed for nicotine in an aqueous solution. They heat up to 100°C (212°F), vaporize the liquid and you inhale. The vapor cools enough during the transit time from pen to lungs that it's fine. But if you use THC dissolved in high boiling point oils (>400°F), the vapor doesn't have enough time to cool. When it hits the deep alveolar tissue (the air sacs) in the lungs, it burned right through and put kids in the emergency room or morgue depending on how bad the damage to the lungs was.
Fortunately, people figured out really quickly that doing this street trick was stupid as hell after some big time national publicity and a steady parade of anesthesiologists in white coats on TV told people that if they're going to be filthy junkies, they need to be smarter about it.
If you're referring to something else, we'll need a link or something. Vague references aren't much help.
Yes and you could be 100% correct. I'm not very knowledgeable about vaping and whilst trying to search for the original story I read, but could no longer find, I did come across the explanation you outline. Whether this was the truth or a narrative put out there? Tbh after the past few years, I am sceptical.
Also the info on the care homes, which happened just prior to the CDC shutting down the lab at Fort Detrick amid fears of a leak and a few months before the Wuhan incident, seems to be difficult to find now. Perhaps others here have more success in that?
I think you are close and possibly correct. Personally I think those places developed it but various strains were manufactured/tested in Ukraine before being passed to China where it leaked either due to substandard lab practices or possibly on purpose.
Personally, I disagree. I think they had different projects going in Ukraine. Different agents were leaking into local populations causing outbreaks. Discussion was they were working on using biting insects as vectors to spread weapons-grade bacteria. But there were known outbreaks of tularemia, cholera, etc in Ukraine in recent years. They were quickly dealt with and not much more was heard about them. Russia attempted to lay some of that evidence out at the UN and got told to F off. The media of course, buried it all, dismissed as "Russian disinformation."
I think China was its own project. NIH was running this one, not DOD. It was Fauci's pet project. I'm also skeptical of the leak theory. BSL4 is serious business. Protocols are air tight because leaks are deadly, literally. There are only a handful of such labs around the world. They're were you might find Ebola, whatever's left of smallpox,... that level of nasty. You just can't be sloppy working with stuff like that. I accept the "lab leak" theory only because I have no way to prove deliberate release.
Then again, the people running these kinds of programs like to compartmentalize. It's entirely possible that Fauci was building the virus and DoD was building the cure, and neither were told about the work of the other. I just haven't seen anything that links anything DTRA (DoD) was doing to coronaviruses. It's usually bacteria that are known for potential to be weaponized that I hear about.
I have the (purportedly anyway) contract notes for B&V from the DoD (somewhere saved) for research on Covid19 in Oct 2019.
As for the projects in Ukraine, yes indeed many different ones were, and it's partly the reason Putin went in.
It appears that locals nearby to some of these labs were going down with very exotic diseases, killing a few hundred locals here and there. Documents came to light (of course verifying such documents is tough) but it showed locals were being experimented on, with the eventual aim of targeting specific genes from Russians. Things like migrating wildfowl were experimented with in the hope of spreading these genetic weapons to Russia. And documents showing the US DoD using the diplomatic pouch service as a way of transporting tissue samples/blood etc without it going through the usual channels.
See, this is why I like this board. Similar to the monkeys typing theory eventually one of us will be right. We may not ever know, but one of us will figure it out even if by dumb luck.
If you believe the stuff this press agency put out it says DoD ran it. I don't believe them - never heard of them - but I have no proof either way so I can't discount it as a valid theory anymore than I can discount either one of ours.
I will say though that I spent some time in China in both Shanghai and Xian, and they were some of the most backwards people I've ever seen. One of the monasteries I visited in Xian in the dead of winter had koi ponds with foot-long koi frozen solid where they swam - they didn't even bother to protect them. You would think the monks would do something.
In Shanghai when I would take a break and walk outside (I was working another pen-testing contract) I would stand and watch the high-rise across the street being built. They had workers using bamboo scaffolding, no hard hats, things were being lifted up by sketchy ropes 10-20 stories above while people stood underneath watching, and the moving platforms similar to the things window washers use in NYC would stall halfway up until the guy would use a big wrench and beat on the control box. Again, while people were underneath.
I don't doubt for a minute they could have a leak. It might not come from their scientists who are likely world-renowned and not ass-backwards but the people who built the building, clean it, cook the food, and all the other non-technical stuff are not as accomplished.
I know one time I was doing a pen test on the Mexican government in Mexico City and decided to go see the pyramid on the weekend. On the way there just outside of town I saw a big tent city and asked my driver what it was. He told me a lot of the unskilled or non-technical workers lived there. He said the hotel staff up to the manager lived there, came in to work every day and changed into their uniforms or suits/tuxedos and then did the reverse at the end of the day. I didn't see that in China but things were a little more "controlled" as to what they would let Americans see. I've seen the same types of things in Indonesia and Turkey as well.
With the vast amounts of different experiences we likely all have had I think it makes our information digs that much better. It would be even better if more people would stop lurking and start collaborating though.
Edit: In Mexico I stayed at a 5-star hotel the government put me in, and they provided me with a driver in a secure car 24/7 because they said there had been kidnappings of foreigners. Especially ones like me who would have sensitive info I would have discovered during my pen-test. I didn't want to come off like some elite guy. They wouldn't let me even try to use a taxi. They instructed the driver(s) to take me to/from work and wherever I wanted to go. It was a rather important governmental agency.
I'm leaning towards this being fake. This REALLY needs digging. I can't find anything about this "Armed Forces Press". There used to be an Armed Forces Press Service that disbanded in 1972, and there was a similar one (American Forces Press Service) that merged with other services in 2014. I think someone may have taken the name and is acting "official".
It is possible something happened after 2014 but try searching for "Armed Forces Press". I couldn't find anything and most searches point to either the old version or the new (fake?) one and their social media.
Any other vets out there ever hear about this place?
That said - I remember all the "smoke" about DoD developing a vaccine way back when, so it is possible the info may be true. Even if the agency is fake or not official.
Substack referenced in the article here
Repository of the referenced Contracts
Was it Pompeo that said back in 2020 that we were in a "live exercise"?
Yep. Then Trump said "shoulda let us know"
This article is sensationalizing things that were known in real time. Operation Warp Speed was very much publicized and there was a lot of handwringing about the military managing the operation. This article from September 2020 documents this very well.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/28/operation-warp-speed-vast-military-involvement/
As I read this “armed forces.press” article I find myself disappointed in its parent company Creative Destruction Media. Maybe it is because I’m jaded, but it smacks of trying to provide cover for Fauci and others in the CDC and FDA by blaming the Military. And, doing it through a vehicle that presents itself as representing the military.
This article also ignores that one of the original vaccine skeptics, Joe Biden, was in control of the actual vaccine rollout. But, did Biden put the brakes on the rollout for any kind of additional review, to the contrary, only after Biden became President did the vaccines become mandatory. And, only after the rigged 2020 election did the lethargic FDA get around to issuing their Emergency Use Authorizations.
This article smacks of revisionist history.
Great points! Def seems to be detracting from fuck fauci
Thank you for this analysis.
Crazy question, but since China has its own vaccine, not the pfizer, moderna or j/j product in the US, (and astra zeneca, etc., elsewhere), are we absolutely certain that there really are all of the deaths of Chinese citizens that have been on the news over these past few years?
I've read reports in the past that noted their vax was not very effective--something like 3%. Also, there are over a half dozen variants running rampant in China right now. But because of their draconian lockdowns, there is no herd immunity. And that's why 70% of people in some areas are now sick. https://nypost.com/2023/01/03/70-of-shanghai-population-infected-with-covid-doctor-fears/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460177/China-admits-Covid-jabs-not-effective-major-blow-global-health-battle.html
Just some circumstantial evidence, but my manager was required to take the Chinese vax (Sinovax?) at his previous job in Dubai. When he came here our company was trying to mandate the vax thanks to that OSHA debacle. They would not count him as being vaccinated because he didn't have Pfizer/Moderna/J&J.
Fortunately the OSHA thing was shot down and our company canceled their mandate (which they really didn't want anyway but were being "persuaded").
I suppose what I was trying to ask was, could China be fooling us that they are in the same or worse boat as us with the loss of people. If rest of the industrialized countries lose significant workforce and, perhaps, military age individuals, but China doesn't and just represents to us that they are also hurting, won't we be at a significant disadvantage economically and militarily from lack of people for these positions while China remains at full force? Secondly, if their reports of illness are true, even if 70% are 'covid' sick right now, how damaging is the Omicron Cold? Most people fully functioning with sniffles during Omicron.
Theoretically, no you can't know for certain. That's the scary part.
Sticky for the dig. Let’s see if this article/info is real or not Anons. Does it pass the Yep-Test?
I had written something longer, but I think the short version is I think we'd need someone with some legal expertise to go through it. I do recall the specific laws referenced, including Trump making a very big deal about having the military coordinate the rollout of the vaccine in order to speed logistics along as part of Operation Warp Speed I can speak to the liability waivers. They're built into everything. It's nearly impossible to hold Pfizer or Moderna accountable without overtly proving fraud (which would include proving intent, which is a legally challenging thing to do as I understand it). Healthcare providers were given wide latitude. Pharmacists and authorized technicians were given liability shields to administer vaccines, including anything on the CDC schedule on kids down to age 3, so long as the CDC's ACIP schedule was followed.
I'd love to speculate more, but I'll do it elsewhere in the thread.
You would pretty much need, like, their DMs planning it. Perhaps on a platform like Twitter. Maybe coordinating with that same organization (Twitter) to lie.
Never happen.
Did any of them have anything like a Twitter? I wonder how we would even dream of accessing it.
Ah, who am I kidding? You'd probably have to hand those over directly to the military.
I mean, they made the contract ... right?
I guess that means they have jurisdiction. I guess we never see the Fauci files until after the tribunal, or perhaps during?
I wonder if we'd get an invite to most of the trial, probably not.
Of course, a great autist once said "you must show them."
Dong Jingwei has those
Oh yeah, him too. That's the defector no one talked about, and Biden didn't know about, who was never a defector, unless it was photoshopped.
Phew, that's a crazy story. https://www.newsweek.com/china-spymaster-dong-jingwei-makes-first-public-appearance-since-defection-rumors-1603603
I'm sure he'd have better stuff than Elon.
Don't forget the US DoD contract worth 381k to Black & Veatch in a Ukrainian biolab in Oct 2019. B&V was partly funded by Hunter Biden's company Metabiota.
Personally, I believe this was all manufactured at UNC Chapel Hill, Fort Detrick.
With regards to your 2nd statement, take a look at the mysterious 'vaping' deaths and the care home deaths that were attributed to a respiratory illness in and around that area prior to Wuhan. Some uncanny similarities to what later followed.
A youtuber did some great digging on this, possibly unwittingly at the time, but it appears to have been memory holed.
Do you recall the military games in Wuhan in the fall of 2019, where reporters were saying many service people were going down with some mysterious flu?
http://www.shadolsonshow.com/2020/01/13/covid-19-born-in-north-carolina-sold-to-wuhan-lab-optimized-for-pandemic-spread/
If you're referring to several dozen Americans who died trying to vape THC, that had nothing to do with this. You had kids who got the bright idea to take vape pens, fill them with THC extracted into oils including Vit E (tocopherol). The vape pens are designed for nicotine in an aqueous solution. They heat up to 100°C (212°F), vaporize the liquid and you inhale. The vapor cools enough during the transit time from pen to lungs that it's fine. But if you use THC dissolved in high boiling point oils (>400°F), the vapor doesn't have enough time to cool. When it hits the deep alveolar tissue (the air sacs) in the lungs, it burned right through and put kids in the emergency room or morgue depending on how bad the damage to the lungs was.
Fortunately, people figured out really quickly that doing this street trick was stupid as hell after some big time national publicity and a steady parade of anesthesiologists in white coats on TV told people that if they're going to be filthy junkies, they need to be smarter about it.
If you're referring to something else, we'll need a link or something. Vague references aren't much help.
Yes and you could be 100% correct. I'm not very knowledgeable about vaping and whilst trying to search for the original story I read, but could no longer find, I did come across the explanation you outline. Whether this was the truth or a narrative put out there? Tbh after the past few years, I am sceptical.
Also the info on the care homes, which happened just prior to the CDC shutting down the lab at Fort Detrick amid fears of a leak and a few months before the Wuhan incident, seems to be difficult to find now. Perhaps others here have more success in that?
Vaping deaths? What story are you referring to here?
I think you are close and possibly correct. Personally I think those places developed it but various strains were manufactured/tested in Ukraine before being passed to China where it leaked either due to substandard lab practices or possibly on purpose.
Personally, I disagree. I think they had different projects going in Ukraine. Different agents were leaking into local populations causing outbreaks. Discussion was they were working on using biting insects as vectors to spread weapons-grade bacteria. But there were known outbreaks of tularemia, cholera, etc in Ukraine in recent years. They were quickly dealt with and not much more was heard about them. Russia attempted to lay some of that evidence out at the UN and got told to F off. The media of course, buried it all, dismissed as "Russian disinformation."
I think China was its own project. NIH was running this one, not DOD. It was Fauci's pet project. I'm also skeptical of the leak theory. BSL4 is serious business. Protocols are air tight because leaks are deadly, literally. There are only a handful of such labs around the world. They're were you might find Ebola, whatever's left of smallpox,... that level of nasty. You just can't be sloppy working with stuff like that. I accept the "lab leak" theory only because I have no way to prove deliberate release.
Then again, the people running these kinds of programs like to compartmentalize. It's entirely possible that Fauci was building the virus and DoD was building the cure, and neither were told about the work of the other. I just haven't seen anything that links anything DTRA (DoD) was doing to coronaviruses. It's usually bacteria that are known for potential to be weaponized that I hear about.
I have the (purportedly anyway) contract notes for B&V from the DoD (somewhere saved) for research on Covid19 in Oct 2019.
As for the projects in Ukraine, yes indeed many different ones were, and it's partly the reason Putin went in.
It appears that locals nearby to some of these labs were going down with very exotic diseases, killing a few hundred locals here and there. Documents came to light (of course verifying such documents is tough) but it showed locals were being experimented on, with the eventual aim of targeting specific genes from Russians. Things like migrating wildfowl were experimented with in the hope of spreading these genetic weapons to Russia. And documents showing the US DoD using the diplomatic pouch service as a way of transporting tissue samples/blood etc without it going through the usual channels.
Baric worked at UNC Chapel Hill, and was the lead architect in designing this man made virus. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-pandemic-nih-unc-fauci-baric/?itm_term=home
See, this is why I like this board. Similar to the monkeys typing theory eventually one of us will be right. We may not ever know, but one of us will figure it out even if by dumb luck.
If you believe the stuff this press agency put out it says DoD ran it. I don't believe them - never heard of them - but I have no proof either way so I can't discount it as a valid theory anymore than I can discount either one of ours.
I will say though that I spent some time in China in both Shanghai and Xian, and they were some of the most backwards people I've ever seen. One of the monasteries I visited in Xian in the dead of winter had koi ponds with foot-long koi frozen solid where they swam - they didn't even bother to protect them. You would think the monks would do something.
In Shanghai when I would take a break and walk outside (I was working another pen-testing contract) I would stand and watch the high-rise across the street being built. They had workers using bamboo scaffolding, no hard hats, things were being lifted up by sketchy ropes 10-20 stories above while people stood underneath watching, and the moving platforms similar to the things window washers use in NYC would stall halfway up until the guy would use a big wrench and beat on the control box. Again, while people were underneath.
I don't doubt for a minute they could have a leak. It might not come from their scientists who are likely world-renowned and not ass-backwards but the people who built the building, clean it, cook the food, and all the other non-technical stuff are not as accomplished.
I know one time I was doing a pen test on the Mexican government in Mexico City and decided to go see the pyramid on the weekend. On the way there just outside of town I saw a big tent city and asked my driver what it was. He told me a lot of the unskilled or non-technical workers lived there. He said the hotel staff up to the manager lived there, came in to work every day and changed into their uniforms or suits/tuxedos and then did the reverse at the end of the day. I didn't see that in China but things were a little more "controlled" as to what they would let Americans see. I've seen the same types of things in Indonesia and Turkey as well.
With the vast amounts of different experiences we likely all have had I think it makes our information digs that much better. It would be even better if more people would stop lurking and start collaborating though.
Edit: In Mexico I stayed at a 5-star hotel the government put me in, and they provided me with a driver in a secure car 24/7 because they said there had been kidnappings of foreigners. Especially ones like me who would have sensitive info I would have discovered during my pen-test. I didn't want to come off like some elite guy. They wouldn't let me even try to use a taxi. They instructed the driver(s) to take me to/from work and wherever I wanted to go. It was a rather important governmental agency.
It is strange that Phizer is misspelled in the sample contract.
DOD controlled the bio-weapon labs in the crane that the ruskys took out so that makes sense.
I posed a question the other day about https://qposts.online/post/26 It seems people tend to reverse the phrase to pattern of
But it seems that 26 could apply here...
I'm leaning towards this being fake. This REALLY needs digging. I can't find anything about this "Armed Forces Press". There used to be an Armed Forces Press Service that disbanded in 1972, and there was a similar one (American Forces Press Service) that merged with other services in 2014. I think someone may have taken the name and is acting "official".
Here is where I am basing that on: Article.
It is possible something happened after 2014 but try searching for "Armed Forces Press". I couldn't find anything and most searches point to either the old version or the new (fake?) one and their social media.
Any other vets out there ever hear about this place?
That said - I remember all the "smoke" about DoD developing a vaccine way back when, so it is possible the info may be true. Even if the agency is fake or not official.
1: https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1611780066257649669?t=hEewJpmcZ3M4vAOQ52s1IQ&s=19 2: https://twitter.com/DrRan_/status/1609419714211753984?t=gdF5GqnRINo1-ehcJDMpnw&s=19 3: https://twitter.com/45Jbama/status/1610010023752568834?t=cINUK1kta4EBwf5wkpASLA&s=19
I bailed at the part where they said they asked a Chat AI Bot.
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