Russia opens criminal case against Wagner chief for inciting armed rebellion
Russia’s National Anti-Terrorism Committee (NAC) opened a criminal case against Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin, just hours after he accused Moscow of lying about the war in Ukraine. The…
This movie sure is good. 🍿
Russia on brink of CIVIL WAR as 25,000 Wagner mercenaries vow assault on Putin's army
"We are marching back to kill military leaders."
Russian Audio with English Translation
More at CFP
I don't believe any of it. I've seen this drama before. It's laying a trap for the Ukies, just like before in Bahkmut.
This was a plot twist absolutely no one outside the halls of power likely saw coming
Or perhaps the dude is a faggot all along? I doubt wagner will do anything other than turn on this peice of shit. He is probably their version of milly
I understand Prigozhin doesn't have any previous credentials in the military, but founded Wagner in 2022. His background is one of an incredibly shady character, who formerly did prison time.
After his release from prison in 1990, Prigozhin began selling hot dogs alongside his mother and stepfather in the Aprashaka flea market of Leningrad. From 1991 to 1997, Prigozhin was heavily involved in the grocery store business. Around the same time, Prigozhin became involved in the gambling business. In 1995, Prigozhin entered the restaurant business. Prigozhin personally served food to Vladimir Putin and French president Jacques Chirac when they dined at New Island. In 2012, he received a contract to supply meals to the Russian military worth US$1.2 billion over one year. Some of the profits from this contract are alleged to have been used to start and fund the Internet Research Agency. By this point he owned a private jet and a 115-foot yacht.[41] Prigozhin has been linked to several aircraft since, including two Cessna 182s as well as Embraer Legacy 600, British Aerospace 125 and Hawker 800XP jets. The Anti-Corruption Foundation has accused Prigozhin of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles. Prigozhin is the self-reported founder of the controversial Kremlin-affiliated private military contractor Wagner Group. On 26 September 2022, Prigozhin stated that he founded the Wagner Group specifically to support Russian forces in the war in Donbas, in May 2014.
Read the bottom of your link.
He claimed he started with Wagner in 2014, not 2014.
It's been fighting in eastern Ukraine and the breakaway republics since 2014. It fights in Africa. It's fought in Syria
I'm taking my information here from what "Simplicius" has said. It still stands that Prigozhin is a 'bookkeeper' and 'event manager' having little actual combat experience himself. He's certainly appears to be a shady character that has been 'allowed' to be free from prison. Wagner itself is composed of mercenaries and recruited prisoners.
On that note, though, let’s explore a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
Putin has zero combat experience.
Zelensky has zero combat experience.
Sergei Shoigu, the Russian Minister of Defence has no combat experience.
So, I don't see why that matters.
I'll check your link out.
Another possibility that you left out is that he's working with elements in Russia like the FSB to take out Putin.
No, this is the man who pays them and who has them sledgehammered when they go against him,this is a serious man. Wagner have no loyalty to the Russian army and just lost a load of men to a missile strike from the army. This is gonna be pretty funny to watch and a lot of Russians are gonna die however this ends. The Russian forces are not like the west.
Nazskis are everywhere, comrade
This feels like kayfabe. But maybe Russian military needs to purge some elements and this is a way to effect that?
That is not whats happening. What is happening is a power grab by different elements in the Russian elite and they need to dispose of everyone in their way. We have a number of factions here and they all want the real power.
Are the factions recognizable to external observers?
Wagner is a mercenary company that was Russia's most effective fighting force in Ukraine. It is headed by a guy-Yevgeny Prigozhin- who was close to Putin and became rich. He's been attacking the head of Russia's army for months over their performance in Ukraine.
For months it seemed like factions were battling to position themselves to be the people who take over after Putin.
Putin has very much stepped back and there's rumors that he's ill
Hard to say. Wagner are seperate from the army but probably their most experienced fighters.
What motivation and means would Wagner/Prigozhin have to start an internal conflict?
Russian military have been witholding weapons and ammo from him resulting in 1000s of his mens deaths. He says they have been lying Putin about pretty much everything to do with the war. 4 regiments of russian army have joined them so far.
They've been fighting for months.
People have been wondering if they were joking for position to be the people who take over after Putin.
Wagner group barely finished the previous kayfabe when they pretended to be unable to take Bakmut, and everyone has forgotten since.
Agreed.
This movie is spicy now.
They didn't pretend to be unable. to take Bakhmut they had to literaly walk over the corpses of their own men. Some in Wagner thought this was a price too costly as they lost over 10000 men in that pointless battle, they literally just flooded the area with convicts and overwhelmed Ukraines defences. These convicts had no choice as they would be sledgehammered if they retreated. I have seen videos of the sledgehammer "stations" they use. Not for the faint hearted.
Appear weak when strong?
The Oligarchs still maintain a lot of influence.
Maybe one of them is making a power play? Wagner are still Mercs after all.
The head of Wagner is one of Russia's most powerful oligarchs.
He was called Putin's chef because he had massive government catering contracts.
I think he provided the food to the Russian military for years
This is actually incredibly serious.
Reports coming out that the Russian Army is locking down central Moscow, tons of clips of armored vehicles securing important government buildings.
Prigozhin has gone on social media to "declare war" against the MOD chiefs.
It certainly is an unexpected in the extreme. Especially since Wagner was largely considered by most to be more or less the Russian “Plausible deniability” crew that got sent in when Putin and the Government couldn’t afford to act directly.
Interestingly enough they have basically declared war on 2 Russian generals who they say intentionally ordered a missile strike on their camp. They have not said anything about going after Putin. I suspect Putin has a "Deep State" problem of his own and Wagner is about to remove the cancer.
Much safer to attack these generals and not Putin directly.
Ahead of Wagner has been close to Putin for 20 years and became a billionaire because of it
I dont think he plans to attack putin at all. I think putin brought Wagner in bc some of his generals are against him
can't believe everything you hear
Watch all the liberals fall for this one. STUCK ON STUPID.
Look at Yevgeny Prigozhin's biography to understand what this theater is all about. Prigozhin doesn't have any previous credentials in the military, but founded Wagner in only 2022. Right away this suggests he is nothing more than public Con Artist. But there's more. The following will paint the picture to who Prigozhin really is. I believe the Putin government have Prigozhin by the balls. The script Prigozhin has been using is theater that Ukraine has foolishly responded to in the past. This newest drama may be more of this. Will Ukraine respond to the diatribe Prigozhin has publicly stated? It appears Ukraine is indeed responding to it by foolishly trying to retake Bahkmut.
Prigozhin background is one of an incredibly shady character, who** formerly did prison time**.
After his release from prison in 1990, Prigozhin began selling hot dogs alongside his mother and stepfather in the Aprashaka flea market of Leningrad. From 1991 to 1997, Prigozhin was heavily involved in the grocery store business. Around the same time, Prigozhin became involved in the gambling business. In 1995, Prigozhin entered the restaurant business. Prigozhin personally served food to Vladimir Putin and French president Jacques Chirac when they dined at New Island. In 2012, he received a contract to supply meals to the Russian military worth US$1.2 billion over one year. Some of the profits from this contract are alleged to have been used to start and fund the Internet Research Agency. By this point he owned a private jet and a 115-foot yacht. Prigozhin has been linked to several aircraft since, including two Cessna 182s as well as Embraer Legacy 600, British Aerospace 125 and Hawker 800XP jets. The Anti-Corruption Foundation has accused Prigozhin of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles. Prigozhin is the self-reported founder of the controversial Kremlin-affiliated private military contractor Wagner Group. On 26 September 2022, Prigozhin stated that he founded the Wagner Group specifically to support Russian forces in the war in Donbas, in May 2014.
You misread it, he hadn't publicly stated he led Wagner group until 2022, when he said that he founded it in 2014.
Here, I'm taking my information from what "Simplicius" has said. It still stands that Prigozhin is sort of a 'bookkeeper' and 'event manager' having little actual combat experience or military schooling himself. He's certainly appears to be a shady character that has been 'allowed' to be free from prison. Wagner itself is composed of mercenaries and recruited prisoners.
On that note, though, let’s explore a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
Sounds lile a straight up gangster.
People say that he got his position of power in Russia and his government contracts because he is a gangster
Per Intel Slava and a few other blogs I’m following
I’m f they really wanted to attack leaders in Moscow then why would they announce it to the world?
They're not going to be able to do it by themselves. They need to rally other forces to their side or tell them to stay out of the way
Need to wage an information war as well
I don't trust this.
Who the fuck is this "Wagner group's...
Why the surprise, Prigozhin said several months ago he was going to challenge Putin for the presidency. But he's a killer, elections are not for him.
Did the 6 billion error from the pentagon go to Wagner?
Maybe this is the way to introduce to the public or to at least remind us that coup d'etat's exist?
What a strange and unexpected turn of events.
I dont quite get it. Is it possible Putin and Prigozhin are staging this conflict, baiting Ukraine to over extend themselves, before revealing this was a setup and there is no bad blood between the Kremlin and Wagner?
If so, it seems like a weird thing to put you citizens through, bringing tanks and armored vehicles into your own cities.
Why won’t they just leave Putin alone!
Anyone who thinks the Russian military isn't a complete clown show has their head in the sand.
These are two massively corrupt countries going at it. Both with nazi problems, especially in their armed forces.
Show us on the doll where Putin touched you.
Make it more than two, since all of NATO along with US is helping Ukraine
Are you fucking retarded? Our ally? Back to reddit