At least 31 states have legislation on the table that aims to deny the president's authority to deploy National Guardsmen to combat zones without a declaration of war, and supporters of the effort are eager for a Supreme Court battle to define who has ultimate control of state troops.
It's been happening since at least the Bush Jr era, if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure the NG troops were on rotating deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan to supplement regular troops.
I haven't heard that song sung in many decades! I think it used to be sung in the church I grew up in, and it will play in my mind every once in a while.
Iraq and Afghanistan made Viet Nam seem like a weekend training exercise. You could almost justify U.S. (I said "almost") involvement in Viet Nam, but U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq was so blatantly orchestrated for benefit of the military-industrial complex it's beyond disgusting. All those lives and limbs lost! Although many more Americans died in Viet Nam, somehow what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan seems worse.
The "we must stop the communists from taking over SE Asia". I know, it seems pretty lame now, but I think there was a real fear of communism taking over the world back then. Of course now, they just do it more subtly; no bullets needed, just a few generations of leftist propaganda in schools and media.
So 18 yo kids being deployed on orders have a choice?This is literally the opposite of supporting our military. Same propaganda as drafted boys coming home from Vietnam and being spit on when they returned. “You’re no hero” . Gross. They sacrifice, EVERY SINGLE DAY and most know exactly what’s going on! Thought we were better than this?
Bullshit. Many of these kids are trying to escape a life most can’t imagine. I know some who joined to try to make a difference, totally based, knowing full well what the vax can do and still willing to sacrifice their bodies. Curious, have you served?
Doesn't matter. If you accept "just following orders", don't complain if they are ever turned against us. I reject that notion.
My neighbor is presently on a deployment. If I find out he is in Ukraine, I'll bust his balls for it. He knows I'll do it too, though he (rightfully, for his sake) takes classification seriously so I'll probably never find out.
It doesn't change that we have no business there, and blindly supporting people is not only incredibly naive, it is prone to backfiring just like that thin blue line did.
Probably not unless he is 17/18. They take young, impressionable kids and tell them they are going to be “special forces” or some shit. Training is done in Israel.
Syria was shit. Those kids are fucked up in the head now.
Thanks Mos/CIA
Of course the Russian army will put up a better fight than unarmed Christian Syrians gunned down and blamed on Assad.
So you don’t know the sacrifice of not seeing your child born, missing your grandfathers funeral, family reunions and every other important event. I agree we have no business there. Pretty sure some Vietnam vets who were drafted and fought thought the same.. I’m certainly not blindly supporting, I’m just calling BS on this stickie for our troops! Saying “you’re no hero” has my blood boiling. We’re on the same team here fren.
Well, when you are fighting secretly to support and sustain a genocidal neo-Nazi regime, I would say you are no hero.
And don't bother to give me the loyalty shakedown. My great-great-grandfather fought on the Union side to end slavery. My grandfather was mustered into the Army for the Spanish-American War. My father went into the Navy to fight World War II and the Korean War. My uncle went into the Army Air Corps to fight World War II and stayed in until retirement. My brother went into the Navy.
Fighting in Ukraine, as I understand it, is a volunteer effort whereby the fighter simply resigns his commission as a U.S. soldier and then signs up as a mercenary. If it is voluntary, all aspects of morality apply. If it is not voluntary, you are being dragooned into illegal homicide...and still not a hero.
I don't much care about rank or station. The Russians have had some success killing large numbers of officer-rank Ukrainians at combat headquarters...including foreign advisors. You say they are not going to do this, yet there they are. Who comes back alive? There are families who may want answers to what happened to their sons, husbands, and brothers.
People join the military voluntarily, but not for nothing and not just to protect the country. Most join because it offers a step up in life.
Once those people get deployed by shitstain politicians for their evil shitstained goals, it is correct to do your duty and follow orders.
But doing your duty and following shitstain orders, or any orders, doesn't make someone a hero.
Soldiers deserve all the empathy in the world for doing the hard and supremely dangerous job they do. And the government should do much more to support them, especially after they are damages and no longer as useful.
But calling this whole sordid affair 'heroism' and blindly supporting the system with a loud hurrah because the individuals in the system deserve to be supported is just enabling the system to be more evil and corrupt
I’m confused about this too ! First of all I didn’t know our military had a choice ? If they are told to go , they have to go where they are told ! Don’t u go to the brig/jail if you deny orders ? I don’t like or support any war, but these soldiers should not be treated As if the war is their fault or that they have a choice of when or where to go ! I thought we hated the war mongers and wars but , supported our soldiers ?
Yes , yes it is a division fag message. It’s not easy to say Fk i I’m not going ! With the job I think the order was you get it or you get thrown out that’s a decision they had to make but I’m not sure they get the decision you either go or you get thrown out without any kind of retribution, yes we need to stay true to our heart and our convictions TY !
Exactly! They sign a contract and can get into ton of trouble for defying orders. Most of the soldiers are young. Someone saying “you’re no hero” and “the American people don’t support you” is BS. The more I learn, the more upset I get with how they are treated.
I’m with you on this . This does not hardly compare, but it’s just like people saying Cali voted for this or that so they deserve it , I hope they suffer with their choices ,, hello , Cali was the training ground the pilot program for election theft , we did not vote for them , ca is red ! As I said it does not compare, but I’m trying to say ,, you can not blame the men who are serving our country for what the bastards are doing who are making the decisions ,, to say .. we do not support you , you are not a hero ,, wtf ,, these guys don’t have a choice. I believe they get court marshaled if they say Fk you , I’m not going … this is wrong , way wrong in fact disgusting ! I didn’t vote for 12 yr old kids in Cali to be taken from their parents , if kids are taken from parents if the parents do not agree that they should allow their kids D to be cut off , we can not blame the parents ,,, these demons are passing laws making decisions and laws , and we don’t have a say ! GAW along with DJT has always supported our military , to say this is so sad to me ! My opinion whether people think it’s wrong or not .
When one is being used to prosecute imperialism by killing the wrong people, with no relationship to the defense of our homeland, then, no, you are no hero and the American people should not support you.
I know that puts paid to the veterans of Vietnam, for whom I have sympathy. But the shadow play was very evident by the late 1960s when I was going to college and faced with the draft. The U.S. government was not interested in winning a war; it was only interested in expending manpower to continue a war. I was glad not to be a part of it. The returning vets got unjust treatment, in part. They were forced to do things they shouldn't have had to do by otherwise legal authority (though some might question that, with grounds). They suffered. But they also participated in a killing spree from both sides. If the ends justified the means, the ends were a failure and the means were unjustified.
The next occasion where we were on the wrong side was in Kosovo, bombing Serbians, our former World War II allies, for the sake of an insurrectionist Islamic overthrow of government in Kosovo.
And then we have the middle east. We all have the best opinion and wishes for our servicemen, but the spectacle of our corrupt foreign policy may also be a factor in the dwindling recruitment rates.
You were lucky to not be drafted! We agree that they were forced to do things under legal authority, such is the case when you sign a contract with the military. My BIL signed for National guard, he had a baby on the way. A few weeks after boot, he was deployed to Iraq. He’s one of my heroes, as I’m sure your grandfather is for you, but he had no choice in his deployment. Most boots on the ground don’t. To hold our servicemen and women accountable for the decisions of the corrupt foreign policies is farcical.
Indeed, I was lucky. In my sophomore year, the U.S. transitioned to the lottery system and I drew a 300. Who said anything about accountability? I was just saying that performing faithfully in an imperialistic operation does not make a soldier a hero. Who wants to be known as the pilot who bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade?
Cold hard TRUTH.
Yup.
At least 31 states have legislation on the table that aims to deny the president's authority to deploy National Guardsmen to combat zones without a declaration of war, and supporters of the effort are eager for a Supreme Court battle to define who has ultimate control of state troops.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/07/11/states-gear-fight-keep-national-guard-out-of-war.html
Wow! Very hardcore! I’m saving this one!
If we have any National Guardsmen deployed overseas to begin with then we need to start shitting even harder on our reps.
There is no reason to have any military over there. Even fewer reasons why the Guard should be there.
It's been happening since at least the Bush Jr era, if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure the NG troops were on rotating deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan to supplement regular troops.
They WERE and so were RESERVISTS....TMYK!!!!!!!!
Grenell just mentioned yesterday I think it was 3 states that have NG in Kosovo and they've been there a long time.
Great Post! This needs to reach all our troops! Also do not join the Military for any reason until the evil is removed.
If you're here you've already joined God's army
That's Right, Onward Christian Soldiers Marching As To War. With The Cross Jesus Going On Before.
I haven't heard that song sung in many decades! I think it used to be sung in the church I grew up in, and it will play in my mind every once in a while.
Tough love here!
These are our children WAR trafficked!!!!!!
Well said! Brutal Truth!!!
Can we say this about practically every war? Especially Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
Iraq and Afghanistan made Viet Nam seem like a weekend training exercise. You could almost justify U.S. (I said "almost") involvement in Viet Nam, but U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq was so blatantly orchestrated for benefit of the military-industrial complex it's beyond disgusting. All those lives and limbs lost! Although many more Americans died in Viet Nam, somehow what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan seems worse.
The "we must stop the communists from taking over SE Asia". I know, it seems pretty lame now, but I think there was a real fear of communism taking over the world back then. Of course now, they just do it more subtly; no bullets needed, just a few generations of leftist propaganda in schools and media.
This comes off like one of those "shoot your superior officer" things.
That is not what I'm saying. That is what it SOUNDS like it's saying.
Wow, this will make our cherished servicemen feel great.
Tool's, must be used, at home, or where ever needed. So many tools....
Yeah. And what's the difference between this, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Vietnam, or Korea?
Ain't none.
So 18 yo kids being deployed on orders have a choice?This is literally the opposite of supporting our military. Same propaganda as drafted boys coming home from Vietnam and being spit on when they returned. “You’re no hero” . Gross. They sacrifice, EVERY SINGLE DAY and most know exactly what’s going on! Thought we were better than this?
I don't support our military under any circumstances intervening in a country that we have no business in being at.
We haven't even made a formal declaration of war.
Just following orders is not an excuse, period, and there are decades of precedent for this simple fact.
Don't confuse politics with those who serve.
Exactly
Bullshit. Many of these kids are trying to escape a life most can’t imagine. I know some who joined to try to make a difference, totally based, knowing full well what the vax can do and still willing to sacrifice their bodies. Curious, have you served?
Under whom would I have chosen to serve?
Obama? Bush? Clinton?
Doesn't matter. If you accept "just following orders", don't complain if they are ever turned against us. I reject that notion.
My neighbor is presently on a deployment. If I find out he is in Ukraine, I'll bust his balls for it. He knows I'll do it too, though he (rightfully, for his sake) takes classification seriously so I'll probably never find out.
It doesn't change that we have no business there, and blindly supporting people is not only incredibly naive, it is prone to backfiring just like that thin blue line did.
Probably not unless he is 17/18. They take young, impressionable kids and tell them they are going to be “special forces” or some shit. Training is done in Israel.
Syria was shit. Those kids are fucked up in the head now.
Thanks Mos/CIA
Of course the Russian army will put up a better fight than unarmed Christian Syrians gunned down and blamed on Assad.
That's a bumper sticker idea right there.
So you don’t know the sacrifice of not seeing your child born, missing your grandfathers funeral, family reunions and every other important event. I agree we have no business there. Pretty sure some Vietnam vets who were drafted and fought thought the same.. I’m certainly not blindly supporting, I’m just calling BS on this stickie for our troops! Saying “you’re no hero” has my blood boiling. We’re on the same team here fren.
I agree with you. Disrespecting military members is a low class move.
Maybe it’s the wording but “you’re no hero” and the American people don’t support you” “you will die for nothing” is disrespect.
That's right.
Well, when you are fighting secretly to support and sustain a genocidal neo-Nazi regime, I would say you are no hero.
And don't bother to give me the loyalty shakedown. My great-great-grandfather fought on the Union side to end slavery. My grandfather was mustered into the Army for the Spanish-American War. My father went into the Navy to fight World War II and the Korean War. My uncle went into the Army Air Corps to fight World War II and stayed in until retirement. My brother went into the Navy.
Fighting in Ukraine, as I understand it, is a volunteer effort whereby the fighter simply resigns his commission as a U.S. soldier and then signs up as a mercenary. If it is voluntary, all aspects of morality apply. If it is not voluntary, you are being dragooned into illegal homicide...and still not a hero.
CO’s aren’t going to simply resign their commission and become mercenaries. Most CO’s aren’t boots on the ground fighters.
I don't much care about rank or station. The Russians have had some success killing large numbers of officer-rank Ukrainians at combat headquarters...including foreign advisors. You say they are not going to do this, yet there they are. Who comes back alive? There are families who may want answers to what happened to their sons, husbands, and brothers.
I am currently serving. You are acting retarded
People join the military voluntarily, but not for nothing and not just to protect the country. Most join because it offers a step up in life.
Once those people get deployed by shitstain politicians for their evil shitstained goals, it is correct to do your duty and follow orders.
But doing your duty and following shitstain orders, or any orders, doesn't make someone a hero.
Soldiers deserve all the empathy in the world for doing the hard and supremely dangerous job they do. And the government should do much more to support them, especially after they are damages and no longer as useful.
But calling this whole sordid affair 'heroism' and blindly supporting the system with a loud hurrah because the individuals in the system deserve to be supported is just enabling the system to be more evil and corrupt
I’m confused about this too ! First of all I didn’t know our military had a choice ? If they are told to go , they have to go where they are told ! Don’t u go to the brig/jail if you deny orders ? I don’t like or support any war, but these soldiers should not be treated As if the war is their fault or that they have a choice of when or where to go ! I thought we hated the war mongers and wars but , supported our soldiers ?
This entire thread is ripe for divisionfags. Stick with what you feel in your heart and what you know is right.
Yes , yes it is a division fag message. It’s not easy to say Fk i I’m not going ! With the job I think the order was you get it or you get thrown out that’s a decision they had to make but I’m not sure they get the decision you either go or you get thrown out without any kind of retribution, yes we need to stay true to our heart and our convictions TY !
It seems strange that you would have no choice to go but all the western soldiers there are 'volunteers'
Being made to volunteer is bullshit.
Yes it is ! TY
Exactly! They sign a contract and can get into ton of trouble for defying orders. Most of the soldiers are young. Someone saying “you’re no hero” and “the American people don’t support you” is BS. The more I learn, the more upset I get with how they are treated.
I’m with you on this . This does not hardly compare, but it’s just like people saying Cali voted for this or that so they deserve it , I hope they suffer with their choices ,, hello , Cali was the training ground the pilot program for election theft , we did not vote for them , ca is red ! As I said it does not compare, but I’m trying to say ,, you can not blame the men who are serving our country for what the bastards are doing who are making the decisions ,, to say .. we do not support you , you are not a hero ,, wtf ,, these guys don’t have a choice. I believe they get court marshaled if they say Fk you , I’m not going … this is wrong , way wrong in fact disgusting ! I didn’t vote for 12 yr old kids in Cali to be taken from their parents , if kids are taken from parents if the parents do not agree that they should allow their kids D to be cut off , we can not blame the parents ,,, these demons are passing laws making decisions and laws , and we don’t have a say ! GAW along with DJT has always supported our military , to say this is so sad to me ! My opinion whether people think it’s wrong or not .
When one is being used to prosecute imperialism by killing the wrong people, with no relationship to the defense of our homeland, then, no, you are no hero and the American people should not support you.
I know that puts paid to the veterans of Vietnam, for whom I have sympathy. But the shadow play was very evident by the late 1960s when I was going to college and faced with the draft. The U.S. government was not interested in winning a war; it was only interested in expending manpower to continue a war. I was glad not to be a part of it. The returning vets got unjust treatment, in part. They were forced to do things they shouldn't have had to do by otherwise legal authority (though some might question that, with grounds). They suffered. But they also participated in a killing spree from both sides. If the ends justified the means, the ends were a failure and the means were unjustified.
The next occasion where we were on the wrong side was in Kosovo, bombing Serbians, our former World War II allies, for the sake of an insurrectionist Islamic overthrow of government in Kosovo.
And then we have the middle east. We all have the best opinion and wishes for our servicemen, but the spectacle of our corrupt foreign policy may also be a factor in the dwindling recruitment rates.
You were lucky to not be drafted! We agree that they were forced to do things under legal authority, such is the case when you sign a contract with the military. My BIL signed for National guard, he had a baby on the way. A few weeks after boot, he was deployed to Iraq. He’s one of my heroes, as I’m sure your grandfather is for you, but he had no choice in his deployment. Most boots on the ground don’t. To hold our servicemen and women accountable for the decisions of the corrupt foreign policies is farcical.
Indeed, I was lucky. In my sophomore year, the U.S. transitioned to the lottery system and I drew a 300. Who said anything about accountability? I was just saying that performing faithfully in an imperialistic operation does not make a soldier a hero. Who wants to be known as the pilot who bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade?
One can support our military people while decrying what they are misused for.
When will we learn!