It will be fine. "Expiration dates" are a contrivance. They are never meaningful outside of fresh food (bacteria or yeast are the primary culprits here). Canned goods, for example, have an expiration date of a year or whatever, but they will probably last a thousand years (until the cans degrade).
Horse paste has no components that can be eaten by bacteria, so there is nothing to degrade it (assuming it is still in the container). There is nothing to worry about.
Depends on the canned product. Many items will last for many years but I found that canned evaporated milk was definitely not usable when I opened one I had found in the back of my stash that was a year out of date.
Fair enough. I still assert the actual "expiration date" concept is a complete contrivance. A thing is bad when it's bad. If you can't tell if it's bad or not, it's not bad. It's pretty simple.
I had some spaghetti sauce that was expired. I ate it and it tasted fine but it had a different look to it - kind of more glumpy. And yeah, I know that's not a word.
I once served a very unpleasant box of macaroni and cheese to a displeased girlfriend thinking the expiration for that product doesn't really matter. I now pay more attention to expiration dates for dry goods.
The "expiration date" is the contrivance. I concede that things can go bad. The expiration date, in my experience, is pretty much always wrong. Sometimes it's wrong by orders of magnitude.
good grief no, don't throw it away. Maybe if it was a couple years old.
I've been buying it for my horses for years and years, and for family the last few years and no doubt tubes got ignored a while and newer ones used. Make sure you take zinc with your iver! zinc with food. In fact today I bought more Iver. For people. It is time to start doing the 5 days of it every few months, or maybe once for 5, then once dose a week. I do rely on it. But the zinc is critical and so is the C and D3. Plus I think I am going to add NAC.
My daughter has horses and uses the I paste. Do you measure it the same as with the horses according to weight or do you just have a certain amount you use. Not asking for a friend. ha ha ha As I mentioned earlier on here, we learned today that our doctor for the last 31 years can no longer see us as patients unless we have Covid tests because the Piedmont Health Care group set this standard. We now have no doctor and hubby has chronic bronchitis and has had it off and on since we had Covid in 2020. Never had a test nor jabs. Need something to knock this stuff out once and for all. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Look up mullein. Tincture can be home made or bought. Clears up upper respiratory congestion in almost no time. We make it from the mullein weeds in the yard.
Please tell me more about the horse paste. ANd why you take it once a week.Just found out today that my primary care doctor, who we have been using for 31 years said he can not see us anymore unless we get the Covid test because the Piedmont Group with which he is affiliated will not allow their doctors to see patients unless the have a Covid test. We are senior SENIORS and pretty upset by this turn of events.
I'm a good big older than you, and on no meds at all. If I have a pain of any kind I only take an aspirin and that is rare. Thanks so much for the IVM info. I read one day that someone said they rubbed the past on the inside of the wrist and it helps. I was a little skeptical but it is possible I guess. After all, we use VICKS for everything, even toenail fugus. Thanks, tweety51A. It is a little scary, I guess, the first time using the paste.
Thanks, tweety51A, for all the info. Will try it this weekend. We, actually my daughter, has horses but I didn't realize that there was a pure IVM and also one with additives. And of course I won't share with my family just what I am doing and whose advise I am getting.......you can just hear it........... "you mean your are listening to someone on line who you know nothing about instead of your doctor". I learned long ago to not be too open with family at least not until you have some proof of success. I thought the CDC had stated that doctors can now write prescriptions for IVM, but I don't know any who ARE doing it. Blessing to you and yours for taking the time to help those of us who are a little slow getting started. We had been on Quercetin/VitC, Zinc and D3 a couple of years ago, but had not recently been as diligent to take them. Have a wonderful "rest of your life".
I LOVE DR BERG, tweety51A, As a Believer, it puzzled me for years as to why the scripture says clearly over and over that "By His Stripes You Are Healed" and other things like "I am the God who healeth thee", but yet we would all run to the doctor and think nothing of it. But about 20 years ago I felt very impressed to begin "to learn" how to believe the Lord for HIS healing. I'm not against doctors, in fact I think that they keep a lot of Believers alive UNTIL they can learn to believe Him for the healing the scriptures say they ALREADY HAVE. So little by little I progressed in the knowledge of how faithful God is in this area. One thing that kept me on that track is a statement the Holy Spirit made one day...... He said there is going to come a time in your life when you won't be able to go to the doctor. At the time, that statement was unbelievable almost. Well, we are almost there aren't we. I do appreciate your help so much. I just turned 84 this summer and finally feel like I am getting some where. I have also had a lot of healing by drinking 2 tablespoons of Organic Apple Cider vinegar in a glass of cold water everyday. Had a trigger finger and it was cured in just a few days. Juice of a fresh lemon every day will do the same thing. Amazing what you can find out if you just forget drugs and decide you don't want to die of prescription drug overdoses. They heal one thing but then do serious damage to critical organs. WE ARE OVERCOMING. Thanks for taking the time to give me your input from what you have learned. You are an ANGEL
I worked in pharma for over a decade, had lots of conversations with the chemists about things like generics vs name brands and expiration dates. TLDR: generics are required by the FDA to be identical to the "branded" versions or they are not allowed to be sold. Expiration Dates are the last date that a medication is expected to have 100% efficacy when stored under the worst possible conditions. So, if you keep your bottle of pills on the windowsill in direct sunlight in humid FL your pills should still be ok up until that date. Now, if you store your stuff in a less idiotic way, it can be good for much longer, potentially decades. Also medications are only allowed to degrade in a way that reduces efficacy, they're not allowed to turn into something else. So that 10yr old expired pill might only give you 95% the effect of a fresh one, but it's not going to turn into poison either. The US Army looked into this and drew similar conclusions and now uses rather than discards "expired" meds and has saved millions of dollars thanks to this policy change (look it up). FWIW
Some Ivermectin has other ingredients so read the label. I only buy pure Ivermectin for our horses as it is safe and has always worked well on them . Anything added I do not trust to use on our horses.
I don't think the molecule actually expires, it might have lot a bit of potency. I have various products that "expired" years ago yet were still effective when I used them recently. Someone found drugs from the 1970s forgotten in an old hospital and mass spectrometer testing found that most of them still had at least 80% of their potency.
Most expiration dates for medications are a “theoretical” concern about possible degradation. I think the reality is that the drug and chemical companies would rather slap a random date where it’s still effective than test for a longer date. I think of it like spices slowly losing potency. I would hold on to it.
"Expiration dates" aren't really accurate. Many are actually "best by" dates. In the case of medicine, it likely has to do with the Half-Life of the product. It will probably be less effective over time. I wouldn't worry about it.
Many moons ago, while serving my time as a pharma rep- reps would "donate" expired samples that doctors would take on their international healing trips-- they would take meds up to a yr past expiry
GNC told us the same thing regarding supplements- supps are ok at least 12mos past expiration
Know the difference between a best by date and an expiration date. Best by dates mean they are peak until that date, then loose color, flavor, taste, nutrition, effectiveness, etc slowly over time after that. Expirations mean they can go rancid or bad in some way, or lose all effectiveness by that date (or shortly after) and in many cases the expiration is due to the container not the product. The container can become compromised after that amount of time, leaching toxins into the product. This is an issue with certain acidic canned foods and things stored in plastic. Rule in my house, if it's a best buy date we eat until it smells or tastes weird, if it's an expiration it gets tossed.
I think most expiration dates are a combination of "planned obsolescence" and cover my ass. The dates are definitely on the conservative side.
Don't know how perishable the contents of the tube are, but probably not that much. I'd say there is a possibility that the active ingredients might lose efficacy in time. I would say any tube that has been opened and have expired, should be thrown away.
Fish, meat and the likes, I avoid going past the expiration date. Other stuff is up to common sense and the good old smell'N'taste test. For medicin, you risk it not helping you the way you hope.
In my opinion, most expiration dates are to sell more product, not protect the consumer.
It will be fine. "Expiration dates" are a contrivance. They are never meaningful outside of fresh food (bacteria or yeast are the primary culprits here). Canned goods, for example, have an expiration date of a year or whatever, but they will probably last a thousand years (until the cans degrade).
Horse paste has no components that can be eaten by bacteria, so there is nothing to degrade it (assuming it is still in the container). There is nothing to worry about.
Depends on the canned product. Many items will last for many years but I found that canned evaporated milk was definitely not usable when I opened one I had found in the back of my stash that was a year out of date.
Fair enough. I still assert the actual "expiration date" concept is a complete contrivance. A thing is bad when it's bad. If you can't tell if it's bad or not, it's not bad. It's pretty simple.
I had some spaghetti sauce that was expired. I ate it and it tasted fine but it had a different look to it - kind of more glumpy. And yeah, I know that's not a word.
You wrote it. I understood what you were saying. That makes it a word. That is how language works.
Congratulations Mr. Webster.
Some days I feel like about 3% of my words are originals lol.
Flexibility is one of the beauties of English
I once served a very unpleasant box of macaroni and cheese to a displeased girlfriend thinking the expiration for that product doesn't really matter. I now pay more attention to expiration dates for dry goods.
Had the same experience with canned milk. Not so with powdered milk. It was still usable 3 years after the expiration date.
Yeah but did you try any
Certainly it was like pineapple jerky or rancid fruit leather.
😂
It depends upon the acidity of the contents. Acidic foods can eat away at the coating inside the cans.
Agreed.
They arwn't always a "contrivance". Sometimes things do really go bad.
The "expiration date" is the contrivance. I concede that things can go bad. The expiration date, in my experience, is pretty much always wrong. Sometimes it's wrong by orders of magnitude.
good grief no, don't throw it away. Maybe if it was a couple years old. I've been buying it for my horses for years and years, and for family the last few years and no doubt tubes got ignored a while and newer ones used. Make sure you take zinc with your iver! zinc with food. In fact today I bought more Iver. For people. It is time to start doing the 5 days of it every few months, or maybe once for 5, then once dose a week. I do rely on it. But the zinc is critical and so is the C and D3. Plus I think I am going to add NAC.
Thanks
My daughter has horses and uses the I paste. Do you measure it the same as with the horses according to weight or do you just have a certain amount you use. Not asking for a friend. ha ha ha As I mentioned earlier on here, we learned today that our doctor for the last 31 years can no longer see us as patients unless we have Covid tests because the Piedmont Health Care group set this standard. We now have no doctor and hubby has chronic bronchitis and has had it off and on since we had Covid in 2020. Never had a test nor jabs. Need something to knock this stuff out once and for all. Any suggestions are appreciated.
NAC is also good for helping clear the lungs.
Look up mullein. Tincture can be home made or bought. Clears up upper respiratory congestion in almost no time. We make it from the mullein weeds in the yard.
Thanks for mullein info.
I haven't, but I wouldn't be afraid of it. Just my .02
Please tell me more about the horse paste. ANd why you take it once a week.Just found out today that my primary care doctor, who we have been using for 31 years said he can not see us anymore unless we get the Covid test because the Piedmont Group with which he is affiliated will not allow their doctors to see patients unless the have a Covid test. We are senior SENIORS and pretty upset by this turn of events.
I'm a good big older than you, and on no meds at all. If I have a pain of any kind I only take an aspirin and that is rare. Thanks so much for the IVM info. I read one day that someone said they rubbed the past on the inside of the wrist and it helps. I was a little skeptical but it is possible I guess. After all, we use VICKS for everything, even toenail fugus. Thanks, tweety51A. It is a little scary, I guess, the first time using the paste.
Thanks, tweety51A, for all the info. Will try it this weekend. We, actually my daughter, has horses but I didn't realize that there was a pure IVM and also one with additives. And of course I won't share with my family just what I am doing and whose advise I am getting.......you can just hear it........... "you mean your are listening to someone on line who you know nothing about instead of your doctor". I learned long ago to not be too open with family at least not until you have some proof of success. I thought the CDC had stated that doctors can now write prescriptions for IVM, but I don't know any who ARE doing it. Blessing to you and yours for taking the time to help those of us who are a little slow getting started. We had been on Quercetin/VitC, Zinc and D3 a couple of years ago, but had not recently been as diligent to take them. Have a wonderful "rest of your life".
I LOVE DR BERG, tweety51A, As a Believer, it puzzled me for years as to why the scripture says clearly over and over that "By His Stripes You Are Healed" and other things like "I am the God who healeth thee", but yet we would all run to the doctor and think nothing of it. But about 20 years ago I felt very impressed to begin "to learn" how to believe the Lord for HIS healing. I'm not against doctors, in fact I think that they keep a lot of Believers alive UNTIL they can learn to believe Him for the healing the scriptures say they ALREADY HAVE. So little by little I progressed in the knowledge of how faithful God is in this area. One thing that kept me on that track is a statement the Holy Spirit made one day...... He said there is going to come a time in your life when you won't be able to go to the doctor. At the time, that statement was unbelievable almost. Well, we are almost there aren't we. I do appreciate your help so much. I just turned 84 this summer and finally feel like I am getting some where. I have also had a lot of healing by drinking 2 tablespoons of Organic Apple Cider vinegar in a glass of cold water everyday. Had a trigger finger and it was cured in just a few days. Juice of a fresh lemon every day will do the same thing. Amazing what you can find out if you just forget drugs and decide you don't want to die of prescription drug overdoses. They heal one thing but then do serious damage to critical organs. WE ARE OVERCOMING. Thanks for taking the time to give me your input from what you have learned. You are an ANGEL
Expiration dates mean the last day it can be sold, not the last day of efficacy. Personally I'd have no problems using it.
I would keep it. Better than nothing and probably still good or partially good. I would use it first if you are in need.
I worked in pharma for over a decade, had lots of conversations with the chemists about things like generics vs name brands and expiration dates. TLDR: generics are required by the FDA to be identical to the "branded" versions or they are not allowed to be sold. Expiration Dates are the last date that a medication is expected to have 100% efficacy when stored under the worst possible conditions. So, if you keep your bottle of pills on the windowsill in direct sunlight in humid FL your pills should still be ok up until that date. Now, if you store your stuff in a less idiotic way, it can be good for much longer, potentially decades. Also medications are only allowed to degrade in a way that reduces efficacy, they're not allowed to turn into something else. So that 10yr old expired pill might only give you 95% the effect of a fresh one, but it's not going to turn into poison either. The US Army looked into this and drew similar conclusions and now uses rather than discards "expired" meds and has saved millions of dollars thanks to this policy change (look it up). FWIW
Some Ivermectin has other ingredients so read the label. I only buy pure Ivermectin for our horses as it is safe and has always worked well on them . Anything added I do not trust to use on our horses.
Brand name please? Ty
We have always purchased the Durvet brand for our horses for decades.
Use it. It's totally fine. Just protecting the seller.
I don't think the molecule actually expires, it might have lot a bit of potency. I have various products that "expired" years ago yet were still effective when I used them recently. Someone found drugs from the 1970s forgotten in an old hospital and mass spectrometer testing found that most of them still had at least 80% of their potency.
the plastic tube it's in does expire though, it can make the contents toxic as it degrades.
Most expiration dates for medications are a “theoretical” concern about possible degradation. I think the reality is that the drug and chemical companies would rather slap a random date where it’s still effective than test for a longer date. I think of it like spices slowly losing potency. I would hold on to it.
No you'll grow 3 more eyes and 2 more toes.
🙄
and you babies will be born naked
Sounds like a good deal. Maybe you need eyes in the back of your head.
Well, you're not an expired horse, so I wouldn't worry.
But if it smells awful, don't chance it.
"Expiration dates" aren't really accurate. Many are actually "best by" dates. In the case of medicine, it likely has to do with the Half-Life of the product. It will probably be less effective over time. I wouldn't worry about it.
Many moons ago, while serving my time as a pharma rep- reps would "donate" expired samples that doctors would take on their international healing trips-- they would take meds up to a yr past expiry GNC told us the same thing regarding supplements- supps are ok at least 12mos past expiration
I learned from the movie Battle Royale that expired medication is just fine and will still work. Also other things.
It’s fine it may just absorb slower or faster…. Usually faster so it won’t last as long
Expired meds just lose potency. But a comment above gave a good process for sampling.
Know the difference between a best by date and an expiration date. Best by dates mean they are peak until that date, then loose color, flavor, taste, nutrition, effectiveness, etc slowly over time after that. Expirations mean they can go rancid or bad in some way, or lose all effectiveness by that date (or shortly after) and in many cases the expiration is due to the container not the product. The container can become compromised after that amount of time, leaching toxins into the product. This is an issue with certain acidic canned foods and things stored in plastic. Rule in my house, if it's a best buy date we eat until it smells or tastes weird, if it's an expiration it gets tossed.
Most medicine slowly degrade over time but it takes a while, it's probably fine.
"Here is your half of the sunshine acid - Eat it !"
I think most expiration dates are a combination of "planned obsolescence" and cover my ass. The dates are definitely on the conservative side.
Don't know how perishable the contents of the tube are, but probably not that much. I'd say there is a possibility that the active ingredients might lose efficacy in time. I would say any tube that has been opened and have expired, should be thrown away.
Fish, meat and the likes, I avoid going past the expiration date. Other stuff is up to common sense and the good old smell'N'taste test. For medicin, you risk it not helping you the way you hope.
100% still fine. Sell by dates mean nothing and the paste is Ivermectin in suspension, so it's good for many years.
Most expiration dates are allowed to extend, we do it frequently in clinical trials. Curious...why so you "need" to use it?
Wow. What a glowwie question. Any doctors here want to opine? lol
F-I-F fiiiif come on y'all
I use the expired stuff...no worries