I'm a zoomer, still in high school and I try to pay attention to stuff that's going on in the culture. I'm from a pretty normal suburban area that's split as far as politics go so I think I have a good idea of the general experience for young people rn.
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Gen Z doesn't feel like life is inherently worth it. It's normal to hear people say things like "I hate myself" or "I want to die" or casually talk about wanting to commit suicide. Girls seem to say things like that more often but it's not really shocking to hear from everyone. Young people feel comfortable openly talking about their mental health and psychological problems even if they don't even know someone that well. Everyone just wants to share as much as possible. Although we're more likely to share with other teenagers than older people I think.
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Relationships aren't as much of a thing anymore. Same goes for sex. Guys will typically be "talking to" a bunch of different girls, flirting with them and being emotionally there for them without an actual relationship going on. It's common for girls to be "talking to" a guy who doesn't really put much effort into them while also having a bunch of "platonic boyfriends" who are basically in the friend zone and provide emotional support where the guy she's attracted to doesn't. Not really much actual sex going on any side.
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Almost every young guy is addicted to porn. This one is probably connected with the last. It's a pretty common thing for guys to go to the bathroom and wack off at school since a lot of us are straight up addicted to it now and can't go 8 hours without stroking one out. Sometimes guys will pack extra underwear in their backpacks and it's a meme to go through someone's backpack to see if they brought extras. It's really bad.
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Probably less than 10% of guys are gay or bi but something like 70% of girls are. Or at least they say they are. A lot of girls will say they're bi or pan but only want to date guys so I'm guessing they just say it to be progressive or keep their options open.
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Guys are extremely redpilled but the girls are almost always liberal. Black guys are the most conservative group in my school at least and white guys are usually split based on if they're gay or not. Most girls are very easily offended and try to act offended on behalf of everyone else. They're just really sensitive to things that aren't pc.
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Everyone is really stressed out and burned out. Zoomers have basically given up on "hustle culture" and the pressure to be always working and doing something productive. No one expects to be able to own a home or start a family when they're older so there's not much motivation to work hard. The stereotype that zoomers generally hate work is true. Most see it as a waste of time and something that makes life suck more than it's good.
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A lot of us can't do shit. I know a bunch of people who are terrified of driving and don't even want to get a license. No one can cook. No one knows how to build things or use old school computers that don't have built in apps. Anything serious is always taken care of by the parents because our parents don't trust us at all. We don't learn because they never let us do anything that's even a teeny bit risky or requires any level of judgment. I'm sure this isn't the case in rural areas but in the suburbs parents never let their kids grow up. And then they get pissed when we constantly need help doing things.
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We don't have attention spans. Watching a whole movie by itself without break is considered very boring to most zoomers. Concentration has to be broken up every few seconds or else we lose interest. We're used to a constant stream of different images and sounds and ideas so we're pretty good at multitasking, but intense concentration on just one thing is not our strength.
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Everyone feels like a celebrity. If older generations had "reputations" then we have something else, maybe like a "brand" or something. Social media puts us on a stage 24/7. Most zoomers only have 1-3 real friends and probably hate leaving their bedrooms but at the same time we're also constantly in competition with the whole world online. There's very little social activity for it's own sake. We socialize to produce an image of ourselves and none of it is real basically. But that's related to my last point.
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Religion doesn't play a serious part in most of our lives so our "story" has to be a personal one instead of a religious one. We have to tell a story of personal success with our lives because if we don't then we're worth nothing. I really wish I could word it in a better way but it's something I've been thinking about a lot. Since the universe doesn't have meaning anymore, the only way to have a meaningful life is to give it meaning ourselves by being unique I guess? I think that's something a lot of people feel subconsciously. We're really alone in a universe that makes no sense where no one has any objective role or determined future. We have to build everything ourselves because if we don't then what do we have? God gave us nothing, so we have to earn everything or just give up if we can't. That's the mindset I think. Even people who believe in God feel like this because religion isn't a part of the culture anymore. It's all personal achievement and individualism. There's nothing connecting ourselves to the world or connecting us to a story that's greater than ourselves.
Feel free to ask questions if u have any
Thanks for the perspective for this GenXer.
Your welcome
Welcome to Planet ""Man"", it's a World filled with Possibilities....
Nothing is Given, everything is Earned through Extensive Thinking, Learning, and Work....
God is real, it's up to You to look for and find God, the only thing stopping You from Finding God, is You.... And always remember that God is the one who gave us all ""Free Will"", the Choice is ours to find God, not the opposite way round....
As a Friend once told me:: ""We are Spirits having a Human Experience, not the other wrong way round""....
Yeah, that's exactly how America was built, and came to existence, Individualism and Personal Experience, but also learning about the world....
Ok, so, I'll suggest two things to study, 1. The Bible, 2. https://lonang.com/wp-content/download/Vattel-LawOfNations.pdf
Skip to page 3 directly, most of the stuff written before that is just opinions of Editors, Vattel had his own thing, or you can just skip to page 13, where the beginning of Law of Nations begins....
These Two items should help you get grounded well enough so you can be much clearer in your outlook upon life....
I really hope this will help you, and so you may also share this to help others get better grounded in their Lives....
Fren- thank you for the great post. Very well thought out. There is hope for Gen Z with Pedes like you. Keep it up…remember it will even be crazier in College.🐸☘️
Gen Xer with a son in high school. Thanks for the info. I hope my son isn't addicted to porn, have talked to him about it and specifically how it can ruin your future love life.
My fren, porn has been free and easily accessible since the dial up 56k days. I would be surprised if any teenagers these days have not gone to the plethora of free streaming sites... It's as easy as going to YouTube.
I know it is easy, but it will fuck your mind up if you watch it too much.
Ted Bundy was interviewed extensively when he was on death row, and he said porn was a main contributor to his serial killing. Porn causes men to objectify women to the point where actual women are not too different in their minds from the porn women they view in magazines or online.
exactly right.
Was ted Bundy MK ultraed? We’re just one big social experiment.
It's not the porn, but the ease with which it can be used to get a good hormonal rush, combined with the increasing difficulty of cultivating strong social bonds, or having long-term goals to work for, these days.
That sounds like a sad future, but it looks to me, as one other fren has pointed out, you're obviously looking for more because you're here. We appreciate the insight. I recommend finding an older mentor (be careful of pedophiles) that would be willing to take you under his wing and teach you a trade, such as carpentry, masonry, metal forging. Building things with your hands is very gratifying and these trades will be in demand but would be lost if not picked up by people like you. Best of luck. There is hope and your future can be very bright.
Excellent advice!
From the boys perspective I can see why they're addicted to porn and why they've basically given up. Not only is it easily accessible but its the only thing available that gives them a potential positive feeling. When you think about it every boy goes to those public school indoctrination camps being told they're worthless, that they're toxic, they're the root cause of the world's problems. The older generation does nothing but shit on them for being lazy. Most of these boys grow up in single mother house holds with no father teaching them what it means to be a man. Those single mothers tend to be single mothers that divorce raped their father and the real father is by law forced to not be a part of the boy's lives. Growing up these boys are told that their father's don't want them. Growing up these boys are told that the only time this society will in any way shape or form value them is when they take a rifle and die for it. Growing up they see the cost of living becoming harder and harder to maintain and noticing that. Church's at this point don't even respect boys telling them that they need to "man up" and marry a single mom. Imagine that. Being told that the only family you're allowed to have is one with a woman who had a son with someone else. Growing up these boys are only given praise if they come out as trans. Which is why we have the trans men in sports. It's the only time they'll ever even be cared about. Imagine growing up and before you even started your life after highschool everyone from the previous generation blames you for the state of the economy and the state of the world. Now when these kids get older and they start to take over. Why should they care for a society that spits and despises them? And this is just from the boys angle. We're going to start becoming like Japan as these boys basically just give up on life. There is no wealth building prospects because you technically don't own anything anymore. There's no marriage prospects because women want to be "strong and independent who don't need no man" and when they do get married divorce court steals all wealth they accrued. There's no prospects to owning their own home because buying a house is at this point would take 40 years to even pay off. Why should they care?
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON
Glad to see you found your way to GAW
Your post was very thought provoking and educational. I guessed at some of what you said but I had no idea about the rest. I appreciate you taking the time to share you thoughts.
Thank you. What parts did you expect and what parts were a surprise?
I suspected the parts about having no attention span and not being shown how to do practical things. I see that all the time. I'm not shocked about the porn addiction but I was surprised to hear that Gen Z's are not having that much physical sex with each other. I also suspected that there's little desire to put as much effort into their jobs as the Boomers did. It makes sense. I didn't realize that a lot of Gen Z didn't feel life was worth it. That saddens me. Again, thanks for the really great post.
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I commend you on your very observant and well-written post.
Additionally, what you describe is probably no surprise to most here, because it’s a continual trend from generation to generation. Same in kind, differing only in degree.
The best (and truthfully only thing) one can do once these patterns have been recognized is to break them yourself, maintain a positive outlook, and be a living example of something better. Those who are truly Religious know their role is to be an emissary for the Light of Truth — like the great Master: to be in the world, without being of it.
And for your own sake, remember that everything is cyclical, and eventually the pendulum will have to swing the other direction. There is nothing new under the Sun.
Finally, it is important to note that the value of being able to focus and concentrate on one thing at a time cannot be understated even if it means having no ability to ‘multitask’. The sooner you begin to work on this skill, the better you’ll be for it, and you may save yourself from years or even decades it may take to unlearn such terrible habits in order to grow in the areas that matter.
All the best.
Perfectly stated.
I noticed a shift in dialect to murmuring quickly through closed teeth like they are uncomfortable speaking in person and are not used to it. They want to get it over with so they can go back to their phone.
Yeah that's totally true lol. Gen z hates being social in general. And a lot of people have extreme anxiety. Like I know a girl who cries if she has to order food by herself.
My daughter is gen Z and she also struggles with anxiety. I have been working with her on it, getting her to do different things like talking with the car repair guy directly instead of having me do it, things like that. She's slowly becoming able to do these types of things without fear. Since you realize your weak points, you know what to work on. Thanks for coming on with your observations.
It seems like gen z doesn't really have the same drive for self improvement that other generations have. I guess no initiative is the way to put it. Parents seem to be the driving force in our lives for as long as they're around in most cases.
I blame it on the parents. This need to be perfect and safe doesn’t allow them to let their child to fail and learn from their fall.
The mama bird that doesn’t push her chicks out the next and keeps him from falling out. How will the chick learn to fly?
My homeschooled daughter had a govt school friend that used to come over. I was constantly getting after her for saying, "I want to die," "someone just kill me," etc. My daughter started using words like pan that I had never heard before, and defending trannies, green haired freaks, etc. I tried to be a good influence, and she respected me, but it sure drove me nuts. The friend got a boyfriend, so she doesn't come around or call anymore, for which I'm glad.
That's really sad. It's hard for parents to compete with the culture. My parents are both pretty conservative and I guess I never felt like I had to rebel but it seems like girls are a lot more easily influenced by friends and stuff.
Probably because teenage girls are generally a lot meaner (in the most diabolical ways sometimes!) than dudes, who tend to get over grievances more quickly. Girls can wait years for revenge. Trying to "people please" is darn near a life or death matter
That can make growing up difficult for girls - many have no safe haven. Parents don't get it.
Source of info: I was once a teenage girl, and I raised two of them.
It must suck being a teenage girl. I don't really talk to girls that much but they always seem to be pretty stressed out and anxious all the time. I think guys are more laid back.
Definitely. I have two sons as well, and the way they deal with strife amongst friends is... Just as it should be: forgiven and forgotten seems to come more easily to them.
Odd side note: Lots of them became pot smokers - these were kids who grew up going to church etc. who had formerly despised pot.
And I have come to the conclusion that they have found a way to stay sane and NOT wind up on pharmaceuticals, so oddly enough I support them in this. I just want to see them make it through this time and live to see better things.
Yup weed is pretty popular at my school. That and vaping especially.
It's kind of rough when it comes to girls cuz I honestly have no idea how we're supposed to interact with them. Most guys want to have a girlfriend but girls make it very clear that they don't need men anymore.
I wish you could move to a Midwestern conservative town. The girls there really ARE different from all of this.
I have a huge family in Kansas, and they are darn near 50s viewpoints and lifestyles. Is refreshing, and they lead happy lives. And they make pretty good money too
I feel like even conservative girls are raised to be independent and not really need a man. Human beings are a pain in the ass. Most girls seem like they're happier being alone and making money than having a boyfriend or husband.
Older zoomer here, and I can agree with a lot of this, but not everything in my experience.
Point 1 is true for the most part. Point 2 is kind of 50/50 in my experience. I know lots of people who are actually married that I went to school with (I'm a few years out of college at this point). Don't get me wrong, there is a slight bit of that attitude, but for the most part, the people I know and went to school with are either dating, married, or just outright don't want kids or anything. At least not yet.
Point 3 is also kind of 50/50. I knew guys who were worse than what's described here. When I was in high school there were a few guys who were so addicted to porn and masturbation that they would just straight up skip a few classes and jerk off in the bathroom for half the day. On the flip side, there were people who just never watched porn because they didn't see the appeal of it. One of my best friends would make fun of the bathroom goblins as we called them, because and I quote "why do I need porn if I can just go get a girl? Hell, hire a hooker if nothing else." Always remember that quote lol. Don't entirely agree with it since I've become more religious since Highschool, but it's still funny to me.
Points 4 and 5....I pretty much agree with these. 99% of guys I know are straight. I can count on one hand the number of gays I know roughly my age, give or take a few years in either direction. The girls on the other hand are pretty insufferable pseudo fags that pretend to be literally anything but straight, but are actually straight. Every single "bi or pan" girl I've ever met has never dated anything but guys. And they're all about that stupid politically correct crap. They just want to be "part of the crowd", so they just regurgitate whatever the "popular" thing to say is, to get brownie points online. It'll change soon enough once the media lies finally stop.
Point 6, I can kind of agree with. I know a lot of people, myself included, are burnt out over everything. Most of the people I know in particular are generally pissed off because most of us graduated from college the year the kung flu hit, so we've been screwed over job wise. Fresh out of college, no one's hiring for a year. Then the jab comes along, and we get blacklisted because we refused to jab. And now no one's hiring anything but part time jobs where they want you to work 10 or less hours a week at less than minimum wage (most states only apply minimum wage to full time jobs or have a separate, much lower minimum wage for part time work). The few full times jobs you CAN find, want you to have X years of experience or be fresh out of college, which when you've been out of college for 3 years now because of all the political bull crap, instantly black lists you.
The other thing I've seen happen, is that a company WILL hire you, but only if you agree to take 4 different part time jobs, where they'll try to work you 12-15 hours a day on different tax forms, so they can pay you the lowest amount possible, while squeezing the most work out of you. I met up with a guy a few years younger than me I knew a few days ago that was working 6 or 7 different part time jobs like this, and he told me he can't do it anymore and is just going to quit and sign up for welfare since he'd make more money and actually be able to sleep more than a few hours a night. Which I don't approve of, but I fully understand.
The other thing I've noticed, is that a lot of even minimum wage law IQ labor jobs (cashier, bagger, car washer, etc.) won't even hire you anymore. I see the exact same 50 or so places putting out ads for the exact same jobs, week and week, month after month for these types of jobs. And they never hire anyone. I'm convinced they're just putting out the job ads for publicity and brownie points. "Oh look we're helping our community by hiring people we don't actually need to hire. Please come here and give us your business!" That's the only explanation I can think of, considering I never see any new faces at any of these places, so they're not hiring anyone and having them quit. They just straight up aren't hiring anyone. And I and others I know have applied for these types of jobs out of desperation, and never even got a rejection notice, much less a call back or an interview. People I know DO however want a family and a house, etc. Most just don't know how to afford it. I wouldn't say most don't want it, rather most just don't know how to get there given the current environment. I know a few people who tried, and bought a house. But had to sell within a year because they couldn't afford it.
With few exceptions, most people I know and knew in high school and college are now living with their parents and jobless, because it's either that or be homeless and starve. Most people try to help around the house or do odd jobs and things like that to do SOMETHING productive and make it feel like you're not leeching, but it gets depressing at times.
I'd compare our current generation to what's called the "lost generation" in Japan. A generation of people who got screwed over by the economic and political chessboard and have been abandoned by literally everyone while being told that we're useless and don't want to do anything because no one will give us a chance. As I said, it's kind of depressing at times, and one of the reasons I turned to God in college.
Point 7, Can't really fully agree with that one. Most of the people I know are more capable than their parents when it comes to technology. The building part is true for some, but not everyone is good at working with their hands so I don't really think that's because of helicopter parents. More just a talent orientation problem. From my personal experience, a lot of people my age have trouble finding the time to learn new skills outside of shop class or something like that if you're in school. When I was in high school, they laid so much homework on us for each class, that it took HOURS to do it all when you got home. The only time you had to do anything was over the weekend, and you wanted to relax, meet up with your few friends, etc. etc. So you never had any time to explore and learn new skills. It got even worse in college, because now not only do you have the college work, but you also have to find someway of making money to support yourself, or at least help out around the house if you lived with your parents.
Point 8, I can agree with to an extent. I do sometimes find it hard to concentrate on one thing for long periods of time, but that's often because I have zero interest in it. If it's something that I actually like, enjoy, or find interesting, I can do it for hours on end without interruption. Most people I know are like this.
Point 9, I honestly have no idea what this is talking about. Maybe it's more a thing women do, but most of the people I know (the women I hang out with are mostly tomboys, so I may not be the best person to talk about this), Most people I know don't care about "influencers" or "celebrities" and in fact actively hate them. They generally speaking only use social media for things like memes. In fact, I've noticed the most popular apps among people I know are things like Ifunny, instead of instagram. So moderately politically incorrect, right wing, meme apps.
It is however true that most of us only have a few "true friends". I'm not exactly a social person, but after graduation, most of us went our seperate ways and I may see someone I knew once or twice a year. From talking to people when I do run into them, most of us have basically no friends anymore. We have "tolerated people" who we put up with because we have to socially.
And finally, point 10. I kind of have to disagree with this one. Most of the people I know either legitimately are religious and have had a Christian revelation since graduation (like myself), or at the very least "pretend to be a Christian". I say this, because while most people I know ARE legitimately Christians and religion DOES play a big part in our lives (most of the people I've talked to say they couldn't get through life without God, and it's only him and Jesus who have helped them through the past several years). But of course I DO know a handful of fake Christians who are the "Oh yeah I'm totally a Christian, but like I also support the current thing, and they gays, etc. etc." type. Once had an argument with an ex GF about how she was convinced gays were natural and needless to say, we broke up soon after.
So in regards to point 10, my experience is kind of the opposite. And while I DO live in a more rural area than say, Chicago, I do live in a rural suburb (basically houses aren't on top of each other and we all have a few acres to ourselves), there are a few medium sized cities around the area with CSA (combined statistical area) populations of a few million. So I wouldn't exactly say middle of nowhere.
So yeah, there's a slightly different Zoomer prospective, from one who's old enough to have gone through college as well. Feel free to ask me questions too if you want since me and OP have slightly different experiences while being part of the same generation.
Damn it seems like I probably don't have much to look forward to lol. I always felt bad for the people who got screwed out of graduation when covid hit. The stuff about the jobs holds up from my experience.
Well hopefully things get better in a few years when the post-cabal days hit, but yeah. Right now is like, the worst part of life for people in their mid 20s. If you don't have rich parents, you've basically just been abandoned by everyone at this point. I couldn't tell you the number of times I've been pissed off by some old fart talking about how "no one wants to work anymore", while I put in 20+ Applications a week trying to find literally anything, and then either never hearing anything back or being offered what amounts to a slave contract.
Heck, I once had a company offer to pay me $7 an hour, with no overtime, no holidays, no food breaks, working 6 days a week, doing 10 different part time jobs for various time ranges each day, for 15 hours a day, that ALSO included requiring me to travel between physical locations at the drop of a hat within a 4 hour radius of their central location.
Yes, they specified no food breaks. You were not allowed to have breakfast, lunch, or dinner while on the clock. So since they didn't pay overtime (and had no legal obligation to) that was offering $14,560 a year, to work 90 hours a week, and require me to drop everything and drive (on my own dime) to any of their locations within a 4 hours radius at the a moments notice.
It wasn't a hard decision, since gas costs alone made it impossible to accept. I would have LOST money taking the job, based on gas alone. And that's not accounting for tires, oil, etc. Or my physical and mental health, etc.
So yeah, entery level job market is worse than most realize right now. But I have faith it'll get better within a few years, and hopefully we won't end up like Japan's Lost Generation and there'll be some kind of "affirmative action" for us specifically because we got screwed over by the cabal due to timing.
I've had summer jobs before and they all sucked. $9 an hour to be constantly under surveillance, micromanaged, bathroom breaks scheduled and timed etc. Treated with no respect whatsoever.
That was the first time I ever considered suicide. Not because I was depressed but because it felt like the only way I'll ever have freedom over myself. We're taught from childhood how special and unique we are and then the second we need to make money it's like our humanity is erased.
You could try non-cdl local delivery jobs, they usually pay alright
Theres many different kinds of product out there to be delivered, either with box truck or van
Running around town, the day goes by fast...
Alot of these types of jobs have hard time finding help, you should have no problem...
If you were to enjoy doing that type of work you could always get a class B(regular straight truck) or class A license(truck and trailer) and make even more money(enough to make a living)
But anyways, interesting post, social media is very damaging to society, we need to get back to traditional values...
Well can't say I've ever considered suicide, but I can get being depressed over it. There's not really anyway to put a positive spin on this. I should probably mention that the above "slave job" wasn't a "anyone can do it" type job. It was a job tailored to my specific degree, internships, etc. I did while in college. I met all of the higher education and experience requirements (somehow), and THAT was what they offered me in the interview. They listed the job as having a salary roughly 5 times higher, but when I got into the interview, they let me know that "that was an estimated salary that included possible sale incentive bonuses as well as benefit costs".
So yeah, like I said, the entry level job market is horrible right now. Much worse than most people realize. But I have hope it'll get better in a few years.
My summer job paid $1.50/hr and I threw heavy hay bales in the hot sun. I saved and bought my 1st car. As a teen you're not supposed to make a living wage, you have food on the table and a roof over your head. Summer jobs are for gaining work experience, learning good work ethic, and having a little money in your pocket.
I guess it was kind of a different situation for me because my family has been struggling to keep things afloat since covid and inflation and all that. A lot of my money went to stuff like insurance and groceries.
That's how it used to be. My siblings, all boomers, worked to help feed the family. 9 at home at the time. Everyone had to pitch in to keep household going. Things were different by the time I came along, gen x.
Then you should have filed a complaint with the Department of Labor as it is illegal to pay you less than $7.25 an hour (unless you are a tipped employee) or to prohibit breaks or to require you to drive 4 hours to a job location. I'm calling bullshit on your post.
The $7.25 part is admittedly wrong, I have a (probably bad) habit of rounding down to the nearest dollar in these kinds of things since i have the mindset it's better to underestimate than overestimate.
But anyway, the difference is just $520 Annually. So not significant enough to make a difference. As for the rest of it, nope. Actually I tried to put in a complaint with my state's labor commission and the BBB. I was told that no employer is required to give breaks for food or rest for the purposes of part time work (it's not one full time job, it's multiple part time jobs for legally distinct companies) and the 4 hour drive from the main location isn't illegal either (since I could technically claim it on my taxes as a work related deduction). But even with said deduction, I wouldn't be coming out ahead, and I'd have to keep a log like a truck driver of every single car expense while on the clock. Meaning I'd have to keep track of the price of fuel the last time I bought any and log exactly how much I used while "on the clock" each day, etc. etc.
Which with the IRS being what they are, I'd be deathly terrified that I'd make some simple mistake and get al caponed for a simple mistake.
So yeah, I'm not lying, but think what you want. I know what my personal life experiences have been thus far, and I don't really care what anyone else thinks or says. It's a horrible entry level market, and that's all there is to it.
Thank you for your thoughtful response to cringerepublic. I bet it helped.
Thanks for sharing Fren. It's an interesting and thoughtful analysis.
Only thing I would point out, is that for every generation, high school is not typically a valid microcosm for real life. College, if you go, will be a radically different situation, and getting out into the workforce and R/L will be different still.
That's not to say your observations are invalid or that many won't persist, but just keep in mind you're currently in a largely artificial and temporary environment, exposed to some things in life but insulated from others.
I will say it seems like you're on a good path if you can see and analyze the world around you so well at your age.
I said it in regards to your post yesterday, and I'll say it again.
A significant percentage of the entirety of Western gen z & millennial generations have been psycho-sexually manipulated by social engineering. This is the cause to all of the bulleted effects you espoused.
You don't like it? Don't succumb to the technocratic mechanisms that created it. Breaking the wheel that enslaves the soul is a personal journey that is unique to each individual.
For now it does not concern me about relationships and sex, I am a boomer and I well remember the 70's and 80's when irresponsible people were not committing to a relationship or were anywhere near financial stability, yet there they were knocking out babies or aborting them, with nothing to support them. So where are those kids they had now? Following the same path and giving birth to the gen z. God gave us everything. I was no better in my 20's, but I did not have the internet to escape to, I used the hard reality of alcohol and other substances to take me out of reality. Those methods have consequences in reality, ones that you really feel, gaming 18 hours a day has consequences also, but it just isn't the same. The feeling of being lost and wanting the meaning of life is also not unique, in my opinion, it is a right of passage and a necessary developmental stage for consciousness. The best way to start giving meaning your life, in my opinion, is to use what you have to help someone else, not a peer, but volunteer or get a job with the disabled, a nursing home, become a mentor for some kid, help seniors in the neighborhood. We have to get out of ourselves as we are to find out who we are meant to be. Challenge yourselves, bug out, take a bike trip of your entire county, (or state). Young men used to join the service, but I would never advise that now, sorry, but I would not. The longer our life expectancy is, the longer it takes to mature, it seems. In the 60's people were married and having babies at 21, in the 70's people were not getting married and in the 80's marraige was considered an odd option in our culture and abortion was normalized, in the 90's people were encouraged to wait for settling down till their 30's, 40 year old women were having babies (I am guilty of that). Now "adulting" is a choice that almost 40 year olds are discussing. My son is gen Z, I think, he was born in 95'. What I do notice with him and some of his peers, (most of whom are on line), is a fear of the future that is not healthy, and I dont know what that does to someones head, I was from an era that the future was supposed to have so many hopes and dreams to fulfill. As Charlton Heston says in Planet of the Apes, "god damn them, they blew it all up.)
My God, society has failed the shit out of most of you. I am so sorry. I have a 30 and 39 year-old and they are successful, but I was a hard ass, so i think it helped. I made them learn shit. I'm so sorry you guys have been so failed. Time to change up and get to trade school and make your own way. We all had issues. They are yours to overcome. Best of luck. Try praying, just for shits and giggles.. see what happens. 💕🙏
Honestly the trade school thing doesn't even work anymore. I'm 25, and went the college route since I'm a lot more business and finance oriented, but I had several friends that went to trade school in both shop class and post high school. They're all in the same situation. Can't get a job, and when they do get an offer, the terms are basically slave labor. What I hear the most is that they always want X amount of years of experience, which obviously the 20 somethings fresh out of college/trade school don't have. So they get passed up for the older 30 or 40 somethings looking for a job in a new area.
The other response is them offering what amounts to a slave labor contract. It's a bit different for me since I didn't go to trade school, but here's an example of what I've had "offered" to me.
I once had a company offer to pay me $7 an hour, with no overtime, no holidays, no food breaks, working 6 days a week, doing 10 different part time jobs for various time ranges each day, for 15 hours a day, that ALSO included requiring me to travel between physical locations at the drop of a hat within a 4 hour radius of their central location.
Yes, they specified no food breaks. You were not allowed to have breakfast, lunch, or dinner while on the clock. So since they didn't pay overtime (and had no legal obligation to) that was offering $14,560 a year, to work 90 hours a week, and require me to drop everything and drive (on my own dime) to any of their locations within a 4 hours radius at the a moments notice.
The multiple part time job thing is the new "work around" to pay people as little as possible. Most states either only apply minimum wage to full time jobs, or have a separate, much lower minimum wage for part time work. As such, if they work you on multiple part time jobs, all assigned to "technically and legally distinct companies", so they can avoid paying you minimum wage, avoid overtime pay, avoid benefits, etc. etc.
And it's even worse for those of us who graduated the year the kung flu hit, because now we have going on 4 years of post graduation "black" in our resumes, which is usually a red flag for the stupid automated hiring AI that these companies and job listing sites use. Which puts us on an instant blacklist for 90% of jobs we could apply for.
So yeah the entry level job market for older Gen Z is like, horrendous. I would say great depression level, but at least back then you could go back home to survive on the family farm. Most of us don't even have that option now. I compare it to Japan's Lost Generation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Ice_Age
For reference.
Like I said in my comment chain on here, I hope and believe (and pray) that things will be better post cabal and most of us aren't screwed for life, but as it currently sits, there's very little "good" going on for those in their 20s. Life is just generally depressing, and I'm not trying to point fingers, but listening all of the old farts around me talk about "how no one wants to work and everyone's lazy" when I put in 20+ job applications a week and receive maybe one or two callbacks every few months, of which are always those ridiculous slave labor jobs as I described above....Well, it doesn't help much.
I realize I'm just ranting now, so I'll shut up.
Mu son got a&p and then hvac and he makes 150k a year. 🤷♀️
For someone who claims to be more business and finance-oriented you are pretty bad at math. 90 hours a week, $7 an hour, is $32,760 a year. There is no way you could be working 90 hours a week with one company and not be eligible for overtime. What is the "no legal Obligation" you speak of? Unless it is a salary job, aka exempt you have OT protections. Part-time jobs are not federally exempt from the $7.25 minimum wage.
Admittedly I was slightly off because I tend to round to the nearest dollar (a habit I got from my Dad when he was teaching me how to do "real world math"), but you're still wrong in your calculations, though that maybe because of me not going into as much detail as I did in my OTHER response on this thread.
It's not legally "one company". It's multiple companies owned by the same person, who each "work from the same location", but are legally distinct. They offer you multiple part time jobs working for different companies they own, so they can avoid exactly what you're saying.
As for the "no legal obligation part" it's exactly as you said. They're mostly salaried jobs, ergo, no overtime. So redoing my math, with all the info there and not using my lazy method that brings us to the grand total of $15,080 a year. A $520 difference from my lazy calculation.
So yeah, my math was slightly off do to me being lazy and not caring at this point, but my point still stands.
Excuses. Life is what YOU make it. If you believe you get shit, shit will arrive. If you believe you're worth more, you will be. Personal responsibility on the inside is the difference. Try that prayer thing for shits and giggles. K?
I legit love this thread you started, OP.
It's so important for us to all be willing to understand either. Republicans have a well earned reputation for refusing to do so, but I have a feeling that comes largely from the party "elite" who push out talking points about how worthless this group or that group are.
I'll come back to this later if you're still around OP.
I hope understanding that there's a PLAN afoot has made you aware that there is MUCH hope for a brighter future that looks nothing at all like the world system we are currently living under.
I don't mean to sound patronizing but some of these sound exactly like Gen X when I was younger. The "I hate myself and want to die," and being open about mental health issues. When I was in college, I became depressed and two people gave me the names of their therapists. Also the constantly feeling stressed out.
We were also derided for having super short attention spans. It was blamed on MTV and video games at the time.
With Gen X, it was a much more normal case of culture changing, though. You didn't have extra short attention spans, FI, but just didn't care about the things your elders wanted to guide your attention to. Millenials, and worse, Zoomers, legitimately have lower attention spans, on average. There has been sufficient control populations available to easily point fingers at modern kids' entertainment content, massive short form video consumption (also reduces adults' attention spans!), using computers too much, too young, and too much blue light exposure (which may also be a factor in earlier puberty, these days)[1], off the top of my head.
[1] Common white LEDs have a huge spike of 430-460nm (whatever primary frequency the actual LED is), as it is cheaper and easier than having phosphors cover the frequencies around the pump. This messes with sensors in our skin, that regulate our metabolism, including attentiveness, based on the sun having more such light mid-day, and in the summer, than winter, morning, or evening. There are LEDs on the market, now, like Optsolis, Sunlike, and Thrive, which spread the blue out, alleviating the issue. But, they ste still costly, and uncommon. As well, most devices use PWM dimming at frequencies your peripheral vision can detect. Outside of people that gives headaches to, or disorients (like a strobe light), I'm mot even sure if any serious research has been done. TVs and computer monitors can be had without PWM ("flicker-free"), but phones, tablets, and laptops, still commonly use 1000-2000Hz PWM dimming.
Wow! How sad is all the above?? Very sad. Looks like humans are going to become unnecessary in the near future. What's the point? No love, no God, no family. It's the end
Yup that's pretty much how it feels at this point
Outstanding!
You are an insightful person and a great writer. The fact that you have this clear view of your reality shows that you can have a very bright future.
Accomplishment and satisfaction for a job well done will take you a long way.
Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you. I wasn't sure what people would think of this lol.
A lot of very good information here. Truth is often unflattering but it is valuable. In general it seems sm is ruining lives with it's shallow facades. Even the porn issues are worse because of accessibility online, plus, real relationships seem superficial and passionless. At least it sounds that way. The trend for girls to decide they are Gay is taking over society and it is 95% bullshit! Grooming is happening and most starts on IG, tik tok etc then acted out in real life or literally 'acted' like some stupid movie. Anyway your post is great; thanks!
Thanks for this summation. Through my kids I know a lot of zoomers.
I can tell you they're bright and have so much potential, but many of them are trapped in a morass of hopelessness, without any belief that they will ever be able to buy a home or raise a family.
It's very sad, because the trap is in their own minds. I always tell them, watch and see: this will pass and things will change so much that you will be stunned you ever felt so lost and hopeless. And their eyes light up a bit, and I can see that they WANT to believe...
40+, barely millenial, here.
3 - That's really different issues. Going to the bathroom to pull the pud is nothing new. To force you to cope with it, your sex drive is just insane, until 20+. If I wasn't physically exhausted, or sick, I doubt I managed 8 waking hours, between about 13 and 20. 15-16, it was more like 10-15 times a day, most of it with no access to any visual or auditory aids. It eases off, later.
While porn is a problem, it appears to me to mostly be a symptom of the breakdown between the sexes, and general emasculation, rather than a cause. That is to say, it appears as a superior product to nothing, but an inferior product to a sexual relationship, long-term physical pursuit, or long-term creative pursuit (both of which would often taken on by young men to improve their luck with the ladies). I have noticed, FI, that kids into sports are much more into it for the sport, these days, if they're not gunning for a scholarship.
4 - Also nothing new. They do it for attention, and were doing it 20-30 years ago, too. The high rate of apparent identity issues, the LGBT agenda helps make worse, is worrying, though. The gullible adolescents don't realize how silly it really is, on one level (rebellious trendy behavior), or destructive, on others.
5 - I've seen surveys to this effect, and it is interesting. Not necessarily good for society in the short term, but I think it will help in the long run.
6 - As a millennial, this started before y'all, but is getting worse. I hope the Gini coefficient wins out over bread and circuses sooner, rather than later.
7 - Again, this began before you, but is now worse. I have had to learn many basic life skills at 25+, and still learning things my ancestors had mastered by their teens. Gen Xers were mostly left to their own devices, and learned enough. Boomers, if not taught, were in environments that encouraged them to try and fail, even when it cost their parents, neighbors, school, etc.. My dad's childhood stories of getting into, learning about, and modifying electronics and mechanical things are situations that would have been verboten, outside of our home, when I was kid...and, that's only gotten worse.
What I have noticed, though, probably related to #1, more than anything, is zoomers generally lacking any interest, curiosity, or critical thinking, as workers.
8 - Yup. This is bad, and there are numerous causes. If you're willing to stop with short form content, though, you can improve. You're going to have to want to do it, because it won't feel good, for awhile (that's pretty much what you are training). But, if you have the intellectual capacity for delayed gratification, you're not permanently screwed.
9 - Histrionic and narcissistic traits have been on the rise since the Boomers. Has it reached a peak? Maybe, maybe not. Social media has made it worse, for sure, though.
10 - This one will blow up. The will to live, get along with each other, and raise kids (not just make them), are tied to religion. Regardless of whether any religion is correct or not, a lack of it will doom a society. They can try to downregulate some genes, but it will just remove necessary motivation.
That is common for the young to think this way because they do not have the perspective of a lot of time on their side. When you are older and have experienced more life you start to appreciate life more.
During the early stages of adulthood men and women are on different time tables of development when it comes to social interactions. Thus, women tend to have more social experience while men catch up later.
Unfortunately that addiction is not good if it stops you from achieving and doing other things in your life as a man.
That has always been true but when a man is confident in himself then a woman that wants to be in a man's life can actually build a life together.
This starts to change as you become older because the young start to build life experiences. Some stay in their rut for ever and ever but some actually find the light.
It is true that the point of "you will own nothing" is a psy ops to demoralize the youth. The truth is that working hard always yields results even if it is not apparent the first 5-10 years. That level of work ethic and building blocks actually starts to pay off 15-20 years down the road. You might not see the results instantly when you turn 30 but when you start to approach your 40s and 50s if you worked hard you will reap the rewards ten fold.
Gen Z has to try to avoid living through social media and reach out of their comfort zone to try to live through life in the real world. That is the biggest challenge for Gen Z.
That requires discipline and critical thinking skills that must be cultivated by actually being able to think about what you are seeing instead of digesting fast food versions of info like tik tok. Info from tik tok is so watered down forms of info that it is basically psy ops on steroids.
Social media gives a false sense of self worth like a high school popularity contest. Real respect comes from accomplishing things in the real world with goals and being able to talk about life experiences.
The meaning of life can not be easily answered if you have not experienced life yet.
My advices? Go out and experience life and work hard. Don't be afraid to try. Good luck.
Well said.
Jesus has a plan for your life and it doesn't involve porn. If you want a real hope then put your trust in Jesus. Everything else is just misdirection from the evil one.
Try reading your Bible and praying. I'd read the New Testament first. Find a good church. If you can tackle sins like porn, drugs, smoking, suicidal ideations, one by one. You will find yourself more hopeful and more upbeat.
I have a fren that is always over generalizing about people and especially by generation. I think it's not accurate to paint with such a wide brush. There are awesome, kind, generous and productive individuals amongst the painfully ignorant POS sheeple in any group. We are all different individuals with strengths and weaknesses.
No 6 makes (sadly) perfect sense
Good intel, thanks man.
Congratulations, you are just what They want you to be.
Didn't hear anything about existential study, God's will, our duty to each other, our duty as Americans, etc...wonder what the problem could be ?
good luck, it took me about 35 years to figure it out, the last 10 years things started happening interesting, now good.
Thomas Edison said, something like: people don't usually see success because it is dressed in coveralls and disguised as hard work.
Yeah - a lot of young people learned "work smart, not hard", and then they were taught that middle class conservative American workers are horrible people.
They were hoist on the Cabal's petard there, eh?
Very dismal. But you live in the lap of the First World, where it is possible to be indolent and to idly toy with thoughts of suicide. In a place like Zambia, children sometimes are literally thrown on the street and left to fend for themselves --- for the rest of their lives. They figure out something to sell, like fruit, or old clothes. They sometimes prosper beyond their expectations, through diligence and discipline. It comes down to the reality that "doing" is more important than "dreaming." I am speaking from some experience with step and foster children. When you truly have nothing to your name, the beauty of a blooming flower enters your life with unexpected importance.
Ultimately, you have to stop looking within yourself and look without. Within is emptiness. Without is the wonder of God's Creation and, if you pay attention, it will seep into you. Let it. Let it work on you. Pay attention to the lectures by Jordan Peterson. He is an odd bird, a bit strident, and probably one of the smartest men on the planet, but he has gone through a personal vale of meaningless ... and has come out the other side. His theme basically boils down to the importance of reality and action and duty. (You want to be a better person? There are things that are incumbent on you to do.)
As for multitasking, if one is not much good at doing any particular thing, multitasking is a frivolity of doing many worthless things all at once. Get thrown overboard a mile from the shore and you will instantly discover the benefit of concentration...on swimming, as though your life depended on it. Or become a farmer: if you don't concentrate on growing food, you don't eat.
Finally, you can write. It doesn't take much in the way of resources, except to have something to say. One can make a living from it. That, maybe, and speaking. If one has nothing better to do with one's time (as it seems from your description), it is an open door. Don't blame the door if you don't go through it.
Regarding point 10: How can it be all personal achievement and individualism if people don't want to learn how to do anything, or even work?
That's where fantasy and escapism comes in. Stuff like porn, video games, imagining things etc fills the role of real life achievements.
Thanks for the great and informative post! I have a question about people your age/around your age. Parents posting everything on Facebook/social media, mainly photos of everything you've been doing since being born. Do you all hate that? Your entire life posted online and still presently by your parents "showing off" basically to their friends.
Yes everyone I know absolutely hates that their entire lives were posted to Facebook. It's embarrassing and also pretty creepy.
Best of Luck Fren, the fact your here and awake will do wonders for yourself. When shit hits the fan you'll be one step above many your age.
Things will definitely get better after high school.
Thoughtful and analytical genius right here. If there's just one of you (and there are many like you) the world will be okay.