I can see the 4 a.m. talking points now - "RFK going Independent will hurt Trump more than democrats" - like anyone with a brain knows is pure bullshit.
Kennedy’s wife is a crazy Hollywood leftist - with connections to Rob Reiner. He supports abortion & climate change, and his son is married to a “former” C_A agent. There is enough to stay away from him, but I give Kennedy his due on the vaccine issues & condemnation of Fauci.
You need to see deeper than the surface. Of course he wont pull votes from Trumps MAGA base. But those arent the only voters out there.
Independents tend to be the deciding factor in elections. Right now they break for Trump. But many of those independents are left of center and they will vote for Trump only because the left has a weak ass bench full of tyrants. Enter RFK jr. a viable alternative to Trump in their minds saying all the right things about covid and vaccines that is reaching national consensus.
The thing is is that to stop the steal, We the People must overwhelm the cheating system they have in place. With no RFK jr that is looking likely. In 2020 many of us feel that Trump won with nearly 100M votes. This time it is looking like he may push 130M. The left barely was able to steal the last one and despite the MSM gaslighting, had to make it extremely obvious to do so. And they also needed the Patriots to not interfere with their counting algorithms as was done in 2016. You know the fractional votes thing where Biden got 1.2 votes for every vote cast and Trump got 0.8?
And then we have seen the fuckery the left plays with third party votes. A significant RFK vote will just be moved to Biden.
RFK is a classic splitter candidate the left has run many times, this time with a digital twist.
I think perhaps you should recant your position because it is you that has this wrong. RFK as an independent is the lefts play as they try to keep the election within the margin of a workable and somewhat believable steal. His announcement months before a single primary cements this in my mind.
We still vote. They still count the votes. The fraud comes when the results are manipulated. There is a threshold where the fraud becomes so transparent that even their supporters see it.
In case you arent paying attention, we are on track to overwhelm this threshold. Rasmussen polled democrats only and 30% said they were likely or very likely to vote for Trump. Trumps mug shot has millions of blacks waking up. Hispanics too are tracking towards Trump.
So your blanket assessment and generalization without backing it up is meaningless.
Not a chance. There will be a fair amount of people that would've voted for Trump that will stay home rather than support someone like RFKJR. Example - Evangelicals overwhelmingly broke for Trump. I doubt many of them would again if RFKJR was on the ticket.
Even Clay and Buck were talking yesterday about RFK Jr. taking votes away from Trump. It's all based on that narrative driving poll that came out a few weeks ago saying so. It's a bunch of nonsense. The only issue he would draw Trump voters would be the vaccine. Meanwhile most of his other major policies, such as abortion and climate would be very attractive to liberals who don't want to vote for Biden again.
RFK Jr. is setting up an age old narrative that it is the independent voters who decide elections.
The game, it appears, will be to concede that President Trump is leading in the polls in a two-way race. But, as election day approaches the narrative will be the race is tightening and Kennedy is pulling the independent vote away from President Trump.
Think about the timing of RFK Jr.’s announcement. It came after the ABC-Washington Post poll that has President Trump leading Biden by 10 points. Kennedy is not MAGA, and worse, he’s part of the team trying to stop MAGA.
I really hate the fact that Rush's holy time slot is filled with a C_A clown and a sports guy. The litmus test for me is when someone you think might be on your side says the 2020 election wasn't stolen. I wonder what his widowed spouse thinks of his legacy being stained by these guys.
For some reason I remembered Nader getting like 0.2% of the national vote, but it was actually more like 3%, which is wild.
That said, didn’t hear nearly as much chatter about Nader as Perot, who is pretty much the poster child of vote splitting. Both parties were crying about stolen votes in ‘96.
It’s possible we’ll see a repeat of that, but I still think Bobby will split more Biden votes than Trump votes. But we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
No real evidence of this...but my gut tells me there are a lot of dissafected voters on the left. The Bernie bros got screwed twice in the dem primaries. In 2016 they looked the other way since Shrillary checked enough boxes for them and was the "pragmatic" candidate to beat Trump. I doubt any of them will admit it, but they know full well Gropey Joe was "dominioned" into office. They either revolt or get stuck with the dem versions of Jeb or Mitt Romney.
Hard core MAGA will not vote Kennedy. Hard core Dems will not vote Kennedy. It is the independents who reluctantly favor Trump over Biden/Dems because of the economy but will always tell you they don't like Trump's combative attitude, the mean tweets. Kennedy gives those people an excuse to vote for someone "nice". He hurts Trump.
Plausible deniability for a split vote. Like Ross Perot in 1992. Although the alternatives are just as garbage today as they were in 1992. And Ross Perot might have actually been a good President, whereas Kennedy is just another swamp creature.
Some of the "I don't vote for the party, I vote muh principles " crowd were saying they might vote for Kennedy. Those would vote for Trump otherwise, wouldn't they?
Once he becomes an actual threat to Trump, you know Trump will mock him to irritate him and get under his skin. The Don is going to have a field day with RFK Jr's voice issues.
I can see the 4 a.m. talking points now - "RFK going Independent will hurt Trump more than democrats" - like anyone with a brain knows is pure bullshit.
Kennedy’s wife is a crazy Hollywood leftist - with connections to Rob Reiner. He supports abortion & climate change, and his son is married to a “former” C_A agent. There is enough to stay away from him, but I give Kennedy his due on the vaccine issues & condemnation of Fauci.
Agree completely. He is a one issue candidate and that just won't cut it when you find out all the "other" stuff he supports.
Right! He has an important purpose in waking up the lefties who won't listen to others.
Your description ticks all of my boxes. Except also he's pretty anti-2A, so he can shove a big dildo up his ass, with that idea.
Yeeehaw! 🤠
His son met the former clown wife at Burning Man.
Ayeeeeeee! 🤡
You need to see deeper than the surface. Of course he wont pull votes from Trumps MAGA base. But those arent the only voters out there.
Independents tend to be the deciding factor in elections. Right now they break for Trump. But many of those independents are left of center and they will vote for Trump only because the left has a weak ass bench full of tyrants. Enter RFK jr. a viable alternative to Trump in their minds saying all the right things about covid and vaccines that is reaching national consensus.
The thing is is that to stop the steal, We the People must overwhelm the cheating system they have in place. With no RFK jr that is looking likely. In 2020 many of us feel that Trump won with nearly 100M votes. This time it is looking like he may push 130M. The left barely was able to steal the last one and despite the MSM gaslighting, had to make it extremely obvious to do so. And they also needed the Patriots to not interfere with their counting algorithms as was done in 2016. You know the fractional votes thing where Biden got 1.2 votes for every vote cast and Trump got 0.8?
And then we have seen the fuckery the left plays with third party votes. A significant RFK vote will just be moved to Biden.
RFK is a classic splitter candidate the left has run many times, this time with a digital twist.
I think perhaps you should recant your position because it is you that has this wrong. RFK as an independent is the lefts play as they try to keep the election within the margin of a workable and somewhat believable steal. His announcement months before a single primary cements this in my mind.
u/#updoot
I disagree - independents are not the deciding factor in elections. Fraudulent votes are.
We still vote. They still count the votes. The fraud comes when the results are manipulated. There is a threshold where the fraud becomes so transparent that even their supporters see it.
In case you arent paying attention, we are on track to overwhelm this threshold. Rasmussen polled democrats only and 30% said they were likely or very likely to vote for Trump. Trumps mug shot has millions of blacks waking up. Hispanics too are tracking towards Trump.
So your blanket assessment and generalization without backing it up is meaningless.
And if Trump asks RFK Jr to be his running mate?
He wont.
Not a chance. There will be a fair amount of people that would've voted for Trump that will stay home rather than support someone like RFKJR. Example - Evangelicals overwhelmingly broke for Trump. I doubt many of them would again if RFKJR was on the ticket.
I can see both sides. But so far Trump is very nice to RFK Jr. Which makes me think he is not worried about him at all for some reason.
I think he wants him in his cabinet, or at least his administration - like Director of CIA.
RFK has already said that himself.
I think they already floated that.
Trump vs Bobby jr. It will not matter who the democrats run. Moot.
Trump will drop out of the Republican Party. Trump vs Kennedy will destroy both parties 🔥
Not sure why you got down voted. This thought crossed my mind as well.
Thanks friend 🐸
Even Clay and Buck were talking yesterday about RFK Jr. taking votes away from Trump. It's all based on that narrative driving poll that came out a few weeks ago saying so. It's a bunch of nonsense. The only issue he would draw Trump voters would be the vaccine. Meanwhile most of his other major policies, such as abortion and climate would be very attractive to liberals who don't want to vote for Biden again.
RFK Jr. is setting up an age old narrative that it is the independent voters who decide elections.
The game, it appears, will be to concede that President Trump is leading in the polls in a two-way race. But, as election day approaches the narrative will be the race is tightening and Kennedy is pulling the independent vote away from President Trump.
Think about the timing of RFK Jr.’s announcement. It came after the ABC-Washington Post poll that has President Trump leading Biden by 10 points. Kennedy is not MAGA, and worse, he’s part of the team trying to stop MAGA.
Kennedy is not America first.
I really hate the fact that Rush's holy time slot is filled with a C_A clown and a sports guy. The litmus test for me is when someone you think might be on your side says the 2020 election wasn't stolen. I wonder what his widowed spouse thinks of his legacy being stained by these guys.
How can they stain something when none of Rushs listeners listen to them?
They're gonna have to print up new ballots, maybe that's the real reason for war in Israel, need more more laundered money to pay for it.
Or maybe the do already have ballots stashed. All garbage now🙂
RFK is going to Ross Perot the democrat party, love it
I was thinking of Ralph Nader. I hadn't realized that some of the Dems blamed him for Bush2 winning both times. He was such a darling of the Lefties.
For some reason I remembered Nader getting like 0.2% of the national vote, but it was actually more like 3%, which is wild.
That said, didn’t hear nearly as much chatter about Nader as Perot, who is pretty much the poster child of vote splitting. Both parties were crying about stolen votes in ‘96.
It’s possible we’ll see a repeat of that, but I still think Bobby will split more Biden votes than Trump votes. But we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
Would be crazy if Trump picked him up for VP.
Heads would explode, I'm sure.
"You are witnessing the systematic destruction of the old guard."
No real evidence of this...but my gut tells me there are a lot of dissafected voters on the left. The Bernie bros got screwed twice in the dem primaries. In 2016 they looked the other way since Shrillary checked enough boxes for them and was the "pragmatic" candidate to beat Trump. I doubt any of them will admit it, but they know full well Gropey Joe was "dominioned" into office. They either revolt or get stuck with the dem versions of Jeb or Mitt Romney.
https://nitter.net/catturd2/status/1711431263641387385
Hard core MAGA will not vote Kennedy. Hard core Dems will not vote Kennedy. It is the independents who reluctantly favor Trump over Biden/Dems because of the economy but will always tell you they don't like Trump's combative attitude, the mean tweets. Kennedy gives those people an excuse to vote for someone "nice". He hurts Trump.
Plausible deniability for a split vote. Like Ross Perot in 1992. Although the alternatives are just as garbage today as they were in 1992. And Ross Perot might have actually been a good President, whereas Kennedy is just another swamp creature.
Some of the "I don't vote for the party, I vote muh principles " crowd were saying they might vote for Kennedy. Those would vote for Trump otherwise, wouldn't they?
Unless the election gets canceled. That's my bet.
Once he becomes an actual threat to Trump, you know Trump will mock him to irritate him and get under his skin. The Don is going to have a field day with RFK Jr's voice issues.
I don't believe that. He will go after his positions, but he won't burn that bridge.
Doesn't matter anyway. Trump is and will be the last President - prophesied by several people.
Especially when he’s on the ballot with Trump🤷🏼♂️