Am I right in assuming that if Biden dies(as President) and because Kamala Harris isn't eligible to be President is the House Speaker(MJ) next in line and therefore becomes the next President?
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Yes Mike Johnson is 3rd in line to the presidency however this is my biggest fear, they put Biden there and he shouldn't have been president because of the stolen election. Obama was not eligible in reality either, so with that being said, they will put camel toe Harris in placed regardless of not being eligible. That's just what they do.
This is what I think. They will Flood the Zone with a thousand knowitall lawyers that will tell you that "Natural Born Citizen" (requirement to be President) is not what it says it is, etc.
A Natural Born Citizen was born on American soil (including foreign military bases and diplomatic buildings) to at least one American citizen. Kamala was born on US soil to non-citizens. She is not a Natural Born Citizen.
But they don't care and they will Flood the Zone with flimflammery.
Trump once talked publicly about how the courts have intentionally misinterpreted citizenship determination. He specifically cited the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction (of US law)" from the 14th amendment, indicating that this would eliminate the anchor baby path.
Anything related to the 14th Amendment on this topic is wrong prima facie, imo. The 14th Amendment is about slaves, not elections.
Fair enough! But Trump cited it, and anchor babies are a clear abuse of the law.
Both parents should be American.
You'll need a citation to back up that claim.
Unfortunately the Founders do not seem to have written down a definition that is super clear and so of course that means that the vampires are using that to cause confusion.
“...subject to jurisdiction of...”.
Cameltoes parents were subject to jurisdiction of the nations of which they were citizens. Not the USA.
Same as if an ambassador from shithole nation x and his wife spawned and dropped said spawn in DC while he was posted there. The spawn is subject to jurisdiction of the shithole they’re representing.
Yes, agreed.
See this legal reference book used by the founders and framers of our Constitution: Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Vol.1 Chapter 19 Section 212, Emer de Vattel, 1758-1797.
https://lonang.com/library/reference/vattel-law-of-nations/vatt-119/
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
VERY nice. I had not seen this. I really appreciate you getting this for me and it's now in my quiver for future discussions. Salute!
It depends on whether they have the controls of the levers to fake her eligibility. I would suggest no. She was always a placeholder - hence her blatant incompetence.
Congress has the Power to bypass the Natural Born Clause....
And currently, we have lots of RINOS in the House that just might side with the DemonRats....
So, yeah, we might see, IF Bidan dies, we might see a President Cameltoe....
Thats just some legal theory. I would not take that to the bank.
Article 2....
Section 1....
Clause 6....
In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
Ask this clause states is:
VP takes over as president
if both are removed, Congress can designate who the acting president would be
Nothing about overriding eligibility for office.
Yes, but the part I was referring to, ""until the disability be removed,"", is a Congressional thing, and they can put it to a vote, Right???
IF Harris were actually determined to be ineligible to be President, then yes, that would be the case. But the same eligibility for President also apply to the Vice President, so she has already been ruled eligible by the powers that be. The opinions of people on this forum are irrelevant.
Much more likely, if you think this is the plan, is that she would voluntarily resign for some reason, moving Johnson into the top spot.
this. or it may be possible for someone to challenge Kamala eligibility upon the departure of Bidan (as some call him) at which point the legally appropriate position of the courts may be to have the SOTH be acting President until the eligibility matter is resolved. logic, limiting of harm, and equities seem to suggest this is appropriate action lest an ineligible person take the role and cause irreparable harm
Not exactly accurate. Not being ruled ineligible is not the same as being ruled eligible.
The fact that she was allowed to register and run as VP indicates she has already cleared the eligibility hurdle as far anyone in authority is concerned. She genuinely has been ruled eligible, and the fact that nobody has successfully challenged her status in 2+ years as VP means there is also essentially no chance of making this argument if she becomes President.
Simple question - Did anyone do an eligibility check when Obama took office?
We're teens to make a lot of assumptions based on common sense, but rarely is common sense used in official settings, by design
Yes.
The evidence given for it was forged and any action to prove it false was quietly quashed with the might of MSM and 3 letter agencies. Many people were ruined by their attempts.
Yes, word was that he was challenged by Killery, but imo somehow he out-thugged her, probably because he knew about all the Clinton fam illegal activities, drug and gun running, sexual, and the Clinton connected murders-suicides. For her cooperation? she was given the State Department. Pelosi -speaker at the time- and ? cant remember the other name suppressed all counter-narrative. I dont remember any such discussion verification of Camelaff eligibility except brief outcry by public which was never addressed by any politician or government employee as far as I know. Remember- she was a loser bigly in the primary -no one wanted her then later the potatus picked her after implying he was going to get a black woman.
Bingo. Kamala is allowed to be a VP not because she has "proven her eligibility beyond all doubt" but because no one objected to her eligibility, simply because they all are happy for her to be a placeholder VP. This could change quickly if she is attempted to be elevated.
Each state is responsible for the procedures they use to allow a presidential candidate on the ballot. Implicitly by allowing a candidate to register, it is assumed they are eligible. The Constitution does not require proof. If nobody raises a challenge, then their eligibility is assumed. Ostensibly the major parties do check before presenting candidates, but you just have to take their word for it.
Ultimately, the state electors are only allowed to cast a vote for eligible candidates. If nobody from the Electoral College objects when the votes are being tallied, then they are eligible.
You and I may not agree with this, but it is reality. If Kamala were not eligible, someone needed to contest it before she was voted in on Jan 6. SCOTUS can't even change this now. The House would need to impeach her and the Senate would have to convict for misrepresenting her status.
So what happens if no one contested her eligibility when she was put in as VP, BUT, as soon as they try to elevate her to presidency then every one starts contesting?
The only recourse at that point is to impeach her. There are no provisions in the Constitution for proving eligibility. She has passed the Electoral College vote, therefore they've already decided she was eligible. Her status hasn't change between then and now. If they failed in their duty then, then you can blame your Congressman.
If Congress now changes its mind, the only recourse is to impeach her. Even SCOTUS can't overrule a Constitutionally valid process.
So that is a valid play. People on all sides agreed to not object to her being a placeholder VP (since it serve's everyone's purpose), but if she is tried to be put in as president then bring it up then impeach her (just assuming your assertion is correct for argument's sake) impeach.
So, even under all the conditions you yourself have laid out, its possible to have a placeholder VP who will never be allowed to become president.
False - to be president one has to be a NATURAL BORN citizen, not just born on US soil. Just because we have been DEFRAUDED does not mean FRAUD is legal.
I understand this is an opinion popular on this board, but there is no ruling for this in law. Currently, there are only 2 classifications for American citizens. Citizen by birth, and citizen through naturalization. Most Americans will consider anyone who obtains citizenship at birth as eligible for the presidency. I do understand why people don't like this, but the fact remains it will take a court case at SCOTUS to advance anything else as the legal definition of "natural born".
not ruled eligible, was not questioned, was allowed in for the overtake plan
Since nobody raised an objection based on her eligibility on Jan. 6, when the Electoral College votes were accepted, she was ruled eligible. That is the way it works. Anyone who was doubted her eligibility needed to object at that time. I agree that the entire Jan. 6 process was sketchy at best, and while we might be able to revisit the procedural failures of Congress who did not legally consider the objections that were raised, even SCOTUS can't introduce new objections that were never a part of the record. The only option at this point would be impeachment and conviction based on saying she misrepresented her eligibility.
In a real world, yes. As a citizen of the USA I believe that we have lost so much control of our government that they will just install the next resident. It is also important to realize that our president should not have the powers he has been using unconstitutionally. Our Gov. is a disgrace in its present aldulterated form.
The Speaker of the House is third in the line of presidential succession. President, then Vice President, the Speaker.
Good luck convincing the majority of Americans that Kamala can’t legally be president though. That immediately gets brushed aside as conspiracy talk.
I must have missed something, why is she ineligible? Besides the gross incompetence, sleeping her way to the top, cheating in the elections, and general unlikeability?
Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth-- but people father under the jurisdiction of Jamaica and mother from India, which were both under the jurisdiction of Britain. Both her parents were students at Berkely. The idea that anyone born here is a citizen was not true then and is not true now, just a narrative the corrupt have created to water down the citizenship with foreigners.
That is different than was stated elsewhere that they had dual citizenship, so makes more sense why there is confusion. Thank you.
Ooops sorry I editted my comment to correct, I gave you Vivek who is also not a natural born citizen. Both are from Brahmin caste families the highest caste, a ruling caste.
For Vivek --neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth-- but people under the jurisdiction of India, which was under the jurisdiction of Britain. His father was here under workstudy so possibly a corporate H1B, and his mother had just obtained a green card to study.
Been a while, but, IIRC, her father was NOT born in America; he also held dual citizenship with his country of birth. NOT born in America wasn't the problem, dual citizenship was. YMMV!
Well the issue is that none of that makes any difference at all. If she were not eligible, she would not have been on the ticket. Sometimes the conspiracy theories are just that...theories. If you have any evidence to the contrary I would love to see it.
To a degree, yes you are correct. Cheaters are the exception, of course (Obama is the example).
You are mostly there. Dual citizenship of the parents doesn't matter. What does matter is where she was born. If she was born on US soil, then she is a born citizen and that is what counts.
Natural born is what counts and jurisdiction of parents and location of birth. A person born to one or two US citizens, but born outside the US is also not a natural born citizen, but has to be naturalized. Once naturalized, still not considered natural born, but a naturalized citizen.
I've heard rumors that she's not a US citizen, like Obama. Highly likely in my opinion, but normies will dismiss it as conspiracy without overwhelming evidence.
I'm ignorant of the minutiae of citizenship when the parents citizenship is in question.
All I've ever heard is that if a child is born on US soil they are a born US citizen regardless of their parents citizenship.
However, I find that highly suspect, it has never set well with me, and many here believe that not to be the case.
I've not researched into if that is actual law or a hoodwinked the dems are doing (probable), and I've not researched it.
Yes
It's going to be a long fight to get Harris out on grounds she's ineligible. By the time it's done, the 2024 election will be over. And then it's pointless.
I'm surprised at all the "yes" answers. The responses from u/monomial and u/flyscifyguy are accurate. Kamala could not be VP today without already being eligible to be P. People can argue all they like, but congress already determined her eligible.
Yes, congress routinely does stuff that doesn't match the constitution. But unless it is challenged and given to the courts for a ruling, whatever congress and the executive do are allowed to stand. If the courts are involved, it's their reading of the constitution that stands. So far nobody has challenged her eligibility, and the courts have not even been asked to rule.
The US constitution is publicly available, free, and one of its best traits is that it is as easy to understand as this answer, written for everyday people to understand. When you read it, you'll know for yourself and won't need to ask.
(Of course, whether today's congress is legitimate or not is a whole separate question. I favor devolution and that it's all a show. But the show has the rules listed above, at least for now.)
quoted from Joseph DeMaio of The Poste Mail dot com of October 25, 2023
And speaking of getting back on track…, as once discussed here when Speaker Kevin McCarthy held the gavel, Speaker Johnson, now being second in the line of presidential succession after Word Salad Queen Kamala Harris, should be doing some intense and serious research.
Specifically, because of the increasing likelihood that one day before Brandon’s term is (mercifully) over, he may fall again and crack his head open, or alternatively so injure himself as to render him “unable to discharge the duties of his office…” under the 25th Amendment, the issue of whether Harris is even eligible to become the “Acting President” under the amendment will come to the front center burner, and on full boil. With Brandon out, we’d be in deep peril.
Stated otherwise, Johnson’s aides and advisors should be carefully considering whether to bring an action challenging her constitutional eligibility on the grounds that she is very likely not a “natural born Citizen” as required by Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution. The term “very likely” is used because the Supreme Court has not…, repeat, not ruled on this specific issue in a live “case or controversy” involving the presidency. This advice, of course, is free…, and therefore worthless…, but is mentioned just for historical purposes. Plainly, Speaker Johnson would have litigant “standing” to pursue such an action…, as did Mike Pence…, that eunuch.
On the other hand, because the Supreme Court has shown, sadly, remarkable insouciance on the topic and has, through Justice Thomas’s remarks, suggested it is intentionally “evading” a decision on the issue, the likelihood of a successful ruling on the question is, let us say, something short of a “slam dunk.”
Still, the only way to ensure failure is to forego any attempt in the first place. And, BTW, given the ominous clouds of WW III beginning to sulk on the Middle East horizon, faithful P&E readers – as well as Speaker Johnson – should ask themselves this: who do you think would be the better Commander-in-Chief when the first nuke detonates: Kamala Harris or Mike Johnson?
You are correct. Now we have to ask why Nancy Pelosi didn't push voter fraud on January 6th. That could have made her the President since nobody qualified with 270 electoral votes. Then again, that action could have been interpreted as somebody unfairly seizing power since part of the nation (18 to 20 million (not 81 million) voters) expected Joe Biden to become the next President.
If fjb dies I spit
I celebrate the demise of politicians especially, no mourning will be had for traitors.
Kamala must be a NATURAL BORN citizen per legal definition and is not, but new Speaker Mike Johnson likely is.