I was just reading another post about companies suspending their advertising on Twitter/X to investigate "the claims" and noticed the it was "the progressive firm" Media Matters that had instigated this. Right away I figured there was sleazy, corrupt manipulation occurring since the left only knows how to lie, cheat and deceive. I don't fault the firms (for being cautious while they look into matters), but if there were individuals within those firms who were colluding with MM, they need to be exposed and their employment terminated. As far as marxist MM goes I hope they get raked over the proverbial coals and decimated.
And, interestingly, apparently Media Matters pulled this same exact trick back in August of this year with other companies, the compliant FNM chiming in with feigned indignation like the soulless hacks they are. I guess Mr Musk has had enough BS from Media Matters. After all, this isn't baseball...
STEEEEERRRRIIIIIKKKE TWOOOO!!! Y'ER OUT!!!
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(CNN link so dredge up a different one online if you don't want to open it , but still want details.)
Companies are supposed to be entities like persons. I can violate your free speech rights by refusing to publish your book. I don’t see why a company cannot do the same.
But the section 230 bit is really interesting since companies can only declare immunity from liability if they are a publishing platform and do not editorialize… yet censorship is editorializing so they should be liable for the rot on their platforms. They want it both ways, and get it because they’re all (companies, politicians, judges, etc) controlled by the same oligarchs.
Well, Elon demonstrates what it looks like when someone has some balls.
Nice.
These woke companies and their co-conspirators pushing the woke agenda behind the scenes have been involved in conspiracy against rights of millions of people and tortuous interference of at least hundreds of companies.
About time they get exposed in the light of court discovery, and held accountable for their criminal behavior.
Are they legally obligated to advertise on X? I don't understand this. If someone doesn't want to put ads on X any longer, for whatever reason, isn't that their business? How can someone force a company to place ads on their site?
Right. Media matters didn't get the result it wanted so it intentionally manipulated it's account settings so it could. It took them several tries to do this. They were not honest about their process.
Unless Musk can show that Media Matters was lying about what Musk was doing, he has no case.
Seems pretty easy.
And since there is evidence that Musk has placed ads next to pro-Nazi posts,
You're doing the same thing MM is doing. You're citing a single instance without any context or without any broader research to quantify how often this happens because you want to imply it's being done intentionally.. which you have zero evidence for.
A large group of several leftist advertisers pulled out of X at the same time. It's obvious because they don't agree with Elon's politics. In a way it's an attack against his company, and he's filing suit because of it.
Isn't it their right to stop running ads on a platform they disagree with? How are they legally obligated to continue placing ads on X?
This is a common scenario.
Back in 2021, over 1,000 companies pulled their ads from Facebook because they thought Facebook didn't do enough to stop hate speech after the George Floyd thing.
There was a big kerfuffle over what some of those nags on "The View" said, and the tv station lost 5 big ad accounts because of it.
I just don't see how you can legally force a company to advertise with X if they don't want to.
And what can of worms is this going to open up in the future? Because you know if Musk wins this, libs will use it as well. They'll start forcing conservative companies to advertise on pornohub or something.
I'm sure there is much more to it, this is just at first glance. I haven't done any deep diving on the research of it yet. He has a lot mentioned that he's filing a lawsuit for, including their "dark money"
A liberal media watchdog group found a bunch of ads (from companies like IBM and Lionsgate and some other big companies) that X was putting next to pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler posts. And since it's a media watchdog group, they informed these companies that their ads were being put next to pro-Nazi posts. And the companies, not wanting to be associated with pro-Nazism, pulled their ads.
So obviously, Musk is angry about that, because he's losing ad revenue, so he wants to sue Media Matters for doing their job. Basically, he said they were "aggressively searching" for content they don't like (well no shit, Sherlock, that's their job) and were somehow misrepresenting how often ads were coming up next to pro-Nazi posts, or something equally stupid.
Because a) it's not illegal for media watchdog groups to "aggressively" search for content, or to share their finding with the companies involved (that's their job) and b) the idea that it's ok for a company to have their ads placed next to content that goes against their values is ok, because it doesn't happen over x amount of times, is just stupid. If a company doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazi groups, then that's their right. Saying, "Oh, but that only happens x amount of times" is idiotic if one time is too many for the company's values.
Musk himself said that some ads were placed by pro-Nazi posts. There's evidence of it happening. He doesn't have a case. He's just trying to bully advertisers into staying with him and trying to scare a liberal media watchdog group.
Now, for those that agree with him, I'd like to remind them of that whole thing with Bud Light and the tranny. When What's his face started doing ads for Bud Light, conservative watchdog groups went to all the companies running ads (aggressively searching for content) and said, "Hey, this doesn't match your company's values" (or whatever) and those companies dropped their ads for Bud Light. So, just imagine Bud Light saying they're going to sue the conservative media watchdog groups for doing their job and getting those companies to pull the Bud Light ads, along with the companies who pulled their ads because of something stupid, like they only showed the Bud Light tranny ads on Hallmark(or insert conservative company here) x amount of times. Think they would win that lawsuit? Would you support Bud Light in their lawsuit?
Why do you assume that just because I don't side with Musk on this, I must be shilling for Media Matters, David Brock, or anyone else?
Why are you so fervrent in your defense of Musk? Are you shilling for him?
Is it really such an outrageous idea that someone just thinks Musk is wrong in this matter?
Is it not acceptable for someone to have a different opinion? Is this supposed to be a hive mind? We're all supposed to think the same about everything?
I don't agree with Musk's position on this matter. That hasn't changed since he threatened to sue the ADL for turning advertisers against him. (He never went through with that lawsuit). And it didn't change when he threatened to sue the Center For Countering Digital Hate for turning advertisers against him. (He never followed through with that threat, either).
He made the choice to allow certain content on his site, fully knowing what much of the public thinks of that content. And when that public complains about it, and companies choose not to work with him because their customers are speaking out against it, he tries to bully them into staying and he tries to bully his critics into silence.
This is just another case of a group saying negative things about the content on X and advertisers leaving because of it. And I would be absolutely shocked if Musk followed through with his threats on this one.
There's a reason he never follows through on these threats. You realize that, right? It's because he knows he won't win.
Musk just likes to throw public temper tantrums when things don't go his way, then he threatens to sue everyone who hurts his feelings. After that he goes and blows up some rockets or makes some electric pick up trucks or whatever and forgets about all the lawsuits he threatens people with.
Whether Brock is a pedo or not doesn't change or have anything at all to do with any of this. It's just an effort at "guilt by association". It's lame.
2/4 - 'Media Matters' is a Soros-formed and funded Far Left, Pro-Jewish fake watchdog organization that is not happy that Elon is offering free speech for everyone. They don't like that Elon is allowing people to speak freely about the Israel-Hamas-Palestine conflict. They feel threatened. They want the speech to be only Pro-Israel and Pro-Jew. Anything else is a no-go.
1/4 - No. He is misrepresenting. Read the statement Elon made yourself. Don't fall for his spin. When you let others tell you what it means, you assume they are telling you the unbiased truth. In this case, the person you asked may be batting for the other team and may appear to present 'the facts' but omits important facts that count.
Thank you for your input. The original reason I was asking for assistance in figuring out what Elon was trying to do was due to my inability to fluently understand legalese. If it's in plain English, great, but when the legal language is tossed in I loose interest and understanding quickly. CallMeAI helped me understand what Elon is trying to resolve. He has a decent view and I appreciate his input, also. Now your viewpoint is very valid, allowing me to re-read Elon's letter and begin to understand what he's implying. Clarity is coming to my eyes, from different viewpoints and I'm enjoying it. Thanks again for chiming in. Hopefully a lot of people will read the replies to my question and they can have their understanding elevated, also.
Thanks for being fair in listening to viewpoints that aren't popular here.
I'm not some undercover agent for Media Matters or Soros or some such bullshit. I simply don't think Elon Musk is as great as many others here do, so I don't just jump to his defense no matter what stupid thing he does.
And threatening a lawsuit over this is stupid.
And since many of his fans have the memory spans of goldfish, they forget that he was making these same types of threats to sue the ADL for pretty much the same thing. They said bad things about the content on X, so companies started pulling their ads. This was back in September, and he has yet to file a lawsuit.
This kind of thing has been happening regularly since he bought Twitter. Some group will bring attention to the type of content on his site, and he has a hissy fit and threatens to sue them.
Here's where he was going to sue The Center For Countering Digital Hate back in July because they were documenting the rise in hate speech on Twitter. Spoiler alert, he never went through with the lawsuit.
This is not anything new. Musk has had a bad time with advertisers bailing on Twitter/X because of its content since he bought the company.
Here is the issue, without all the BS cluttering things up:
Musk wants to make Twitter/X a "completely free speech" site. So the company is not taking down many posts that are considered hate speech by the general population.
Since so many companies are on the woke side these days, they don't want to be associated with a business that doesn't stop hate speech posts on their site. So they pull their advertisements from Twitter/X.
Obviously, this greatly upsets Musk, because he's hemorrhaging money on Twitter/X.
So he's going after anyone who points out that the content on Twitter/X is increasing in what is considered hate speech. He threatens to sue them for billions of dollars and blah blah blah. Yet he has failed to follow through on any of those threats. He's simply trying to bully people into not criticizing Twitter/X and into not pulling their accounts from it.
The issue is that Musk wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants to be able to turn Twitter/X into a "completely free speech" space, where people can post whatever they want, even if it's considered hate speech. If you've ever been on sites like 8chan, you'll know what kind of material we're talking about.
So he wants to have a site where all that is allowed, AND he wants to keep making money from all his advertisers. But like I said, most companies are woke these days, and they don't want to be associated with sites that allow hate speech to flourish on their sites. So they don't want to do business with Twitter/X anymore. Which is 100% their right.
But Musk wants to intimidate advertisers into not leaving X, and he wants to intimidate anyone who calls attention to the hate speech on his site, which scares advertisers away.
And he simply can't have his cake and eat it too, in this woke climate. He can't force or bully or sue companies into advertising with him if they don't want to be associated with his business.
Now, people can argue about what is considered "hate speech" and argue about if it's hate speech to post anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-whatever else content. And I'm sure plenty of people will try after this post.
But the simple fact is that a shit ton of people believe it is. And those people will threaten to boycott the products of people who work with X, and those companies, not wanting to lose money from such boycotts, will obviously choose to not advertise with X. And that makes Musk mad, because it costs him money.
So, there it is. That's really the heart of the matter. Without all the BS.
I would be absolutely shocked if Musk went through with his threat and filed whatever "nuclear" lawsuit or whatever "the second court opens" on Monday. I would be shocked if he ever filed this lawsuit. Just like I would be shocked if he ever followed through with any of the many lawsuits he's threatened in connection to him losing advertisers over his content.
Most likely, he'll just grouse about it for a while and then let it just fade from everyone's memories. And judging by what I see here, that might take as much as a week for them to forget all about it.
He'll continue championing a "completely free speech" site, and people will continue to post hate speech, and the woke public will get upset about it and threaten to boycott the advertisers on X, and the advertisers will ditch X because they don't want to lose their customers, and Musk will get upset that companies don't want to be associated with his site, and he'll blow up the next time some other group points out the rise in hate speech on his site, and he'll threaten to sue them to hell and back, and then we'll have more posts here about it, where people get all excited about taking down whoever is hurting Musk's feelings and maybe I'll be here to point out why that lawsuit won't work, and then I'll get called a shill and idiot or whatever it is I'm getting called here and then Musk won't follow through on that lawsuit, either, and everyone will forget about it, and we'll start the cycle all over again.
But maybe you, and others who don't feel the need to defend Musk over anything he does, will remember this conversation. And see it for what it is. A man who made a horrible business decision by dumping 44 Billion dollars into a failing business, and is hemorrhaging money from that business every day because of the very questionable decisions he makes, and continually tries to force companies to advertise with him because he NEEDS their money.
And maybe you'll even notice how Musk's "completely free speech" stance doesn't cover people who point out all the hate speech on his site. He certainly wants to shut them up.
Anyway, sorry for the epic run-on sentences, and the ridiculously long post here.
But again, thanks for being objective and willing to listen to something that doesn't conform to the groupthink going on here over this.
Sometimes people forget it's ok for others to have different opinions.
3/4 - So, they colluded to make contrived and falsified claims to influence the big name advertisers of Twitter/X to join Media Matters and ruin Twitter/X financially by cancelling all their advertising.
Elon saw through their manufactured scenario and isn't going to take it sitting down.
4/4 - A similar example is this fake scenario: You know the saying that you have more chance of being struck by lightning than you do of winning the lottery?
Well, you use that knowledge to spread the rumor that if you buy a lottery ticket from the only vendor in town that sells them, (A small business that is a competitor to you) that you will likely be struck by lightning.
Then you tell naïve town folk that a lightning strike happened near that convenience mart, and everyone in town is afraid to buy their lottery ticket from that vendor, for fear of getting struck. They just stop buying from that vendor all together.
That vendor now suffers a financial loss because selling lottery tickets was his bread and butter, and your competing convenience mart (that doesn't sell lottery tickets) gets more customers into your business instead.
Of course the lightning story was manufactured in order to harm the other guy and benefit yourself. It was disingenuous and insidious. It is analogous to what Media Matters does to those organizations that won't follow their orders.
No problem. There's a whole lot of stupid crap in what Musk put out in his complaint, but those are the main issues.
I think the one Musk is relying on to support him is when he says that Media Matters used some algorithm or something to make it look like those ads placed on pro-Nazi posts would come up in someone's feed more often than they really would. I don't really understand it.
But if you're a company that doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazism, having just one ad show up next to pro-Nazi content is one too many.
Now, if Media Matters did something legitimately fraudulent or illegal, sure, go after them hard. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
It's not illegal for media watchdog groups to gather information or for them to inform companies of what they find and it's not illegal for companies to pull ads from something they don't want to be associated with their product. And that's what Musk is complaining about the loudest.
Media Matters secretly posted some crap on X/Twitter. Then went to advertisers and threatened them if they didn't pull advertising because X/Twitter is allowing crap on their service. Possibly the advertisers were in on it. That I'm not sure. Either way, it's a scheme by Media Matters to hurt X/Twitter financially. Musk claims they have the proof and are going to sue them into oblivion. I have no idea what the crap was that Media Matters posted.
This would be like some dude running naked through Walmart and then trying to hurt Walmart financially because they are showing nudity to kids.
I know every company has the right to advertise where they want. That isn't the issue here. The issue is that media matter used contrived, false and misleading information about x to coordinate a boycott on advertising which will hurt x. That is an illegal conspiracy. At the very least libel/slander
Elon also no doubt has the evidence to back up his claims.
It's interesting that this happened right after the heads of some of these companies dined with Xi the day before. It also happened right after the FCC passed their new equity rules. Media Matters likely had this planned and ready to go.
I hear about an army of propaganda artists through “Community Notes.” Using this tool, account holders can anonymously post false claims and attach it to one of your tweets.
We all need to get back in to X (create account if we dont) and fight back these false narratives. At some point I feel the policies should flip away from both right and left wings into Truth side. Question is who really can define what the Truth is? God help us!
he is a very big fish. to put this in perspective, Elon Musk makes Donald Trump look like a peasant. fighting musk and fighting trump are not even on the same level, moneywise. i hope he destroys every company that colluded like this
Can you cite any single instance where Elon told the public he'd be appearing and it filled any sized arena.
Can you share any evidence of millions of dollars flowing into Elon's coffers that aren't from his government funded (stolen from us) corporations?
And what even is a thermonuclear lawsuit...
will it have the Epstein client list attached?
Edit: to be clear, I'm not one of your downvotes. I'm all for Elon's stepping up and also not a fervent Trumper. I'm just trying to understand how you see Elon having more financial clout.
now if you look at the media they are all saying Trump is worth 2-4 billion. obviously they lowball to hurt his credibility, but the actual number is still probably around 10-20 billion. so elon musk is around 10-20 times more wealthy than donald trump.
You're comparing Elon's ability to hoard cash in his own bank account vs Trump's ability to move cash to many areas.
From a dollar for dollar ability Trump easily passes Elon.
He followed it up to say he’s going after their boards, donors, and dark money. All of them.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1725771944467759573
This is perfect.
I was just reading another post about companies suspending their advertising on Twitter/X to investigate "the claims" and noticed the it was "the progressive firm" Media Matters that had instigated this. Right away I figured there was sleazy, corrupt manipulation occurring since the left only knows how to lie, cheat and deceive. I don't fault the firms (for being cautious while they look into matters), but if there were individuals within those firms who were colluding with MM, they need to be exposed and their employment terminated. As far as marxist MM goes I hope they get raked over the proverbial coals and decimated.
"Thermonuclear lawsuit" -- go get 'em, Mr Musk.
And, interestingly, apparently Media Matters pulled this same exact trick back in August of this year with other companies, the compliant FNM chiming in with feigned indignation like the soulless hacks they are. I guess Mr Musk has had enough BS from Media Matters. After all, this isn't baseball...
STEEEEERRRRIIIIIKKKE TWOOOO!!! Y'ER OUT!!!
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(CNN link so dredge up a different one online if you don't want to open it , but still want details.)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/tech/x-ads-pro-nazi-account-brand-safety/index.html
My X account is still banned.
Wow sorry to hear that. I was wondering where you went as I haven’t seen your posts in awhile.
Must have been hitting all the bullseyes.
Same. No appeal. Basically a Twitter death sentence over some words.
Isnt it weird how companies have to obey the law when it comes to X, Y, and Z…
But when it comes to your free speech rights, they say
“oh companies can do whatever they want, because the first amendment limits what governement can do, not what companies can do”
And im like,
“who tf is talking about the first amendment? Im talking about my free speech rights, which exist independently of the constitution…
Companies don’t get to violate my free speech rights any more than they get to violate any other right.
Companies are supposed to be entities like persons. I can violate your free speech rights by refusing to publish your book. I don’t see why a company cannot do the same.
But the section 230 bit is really interesting since companies can only declare immunity from liability if they are a publishing platform and do not editorialize… yet censorship is editorializing so they should be liable for the rot on their platforms. They want it both ways, and get it because they’re all (companies, politicians, judges, etc) controlled by the same oligarchs.
wow you must be worse than tommy robinson as even he got back on last week lol
Well, Elon demonstrates what it looks like when someone has some balls.
Nice.
These woke companies and their co-conspirators pushing the woke agenda behind the scenes have been involved in conspiracy against rights of millions of people and tortuous interference of at least hundreds of companies.
About time they get exposed in the light of court discovery, and held accountable for their criminal behavior.
I'm too dense to understand what Elon is all pissed about. Please, like I'm a sixth grader, explain what Elon is trying to expose. Thanks.
Lefty orgs trying to financially harm X and Elon just because they disagree with his politics.
Also since the company is private, it’s now a personal attack on him.
But how can they harm Elon? He runs X so what did they do? Did they post bad things on Media Matters website or something like that?
X makes money by selling ads, and several major companies have stopped advertising on X. This hits X’s revenues.
Are they legally obligated to advertise on X? I don't understand this. If someone doesn't want to put ads on X any longer, for whatever reason, isn't that their business? How can someone force a company to place ads on their site?
Look up "tortious interference"
Doesn't matter much when it comes to things like media watchdog groups.
Tortious Interference: The Limits of Common Law Liability for Newsgathering https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmborj
Are you daft or just dull? Media matters is essentially shaming other companies into pulling advertisement in order to hurt X.
Right. Media matters didn't get the result it wanted so it intentionally manipulated it's account settings so it could. It took them several tries to do this. They were not honest about their process.
Seems pretty easy.
You're doing the same thing MM is doing. You're citing a single instance without any context or without any broader research to quantify how often this happens because you want to imply it's being done intentionally.. which you have zero evidence for.
A large group of several leftist advertisers pulled out of X at the same time. It's obvious because they don't agree with Elon's politics. In a way it's an attack against his company, and he's filing suit because of it.
Isn't it their right to stop running ads on a platform they disagree with? How are they legally obligated to continue placing ads on X?
This is a common scenario. Back in 2021, over 1,000 companies pulled their ads from Facebook because they thought Facebook didn't do enough to stop hate speech after the George Floyd thing.
There was a big kerfuffle over what some of those nags on "The View" said, and the tv station lost 5 big ad accounts because of it.
I just don't see how you can legally force a company to advertise with X if they don't want to.
And what can of worms is this going to open up in the future? Because you know if Musk wins this, libs will use it as well. They'll start forcing conservative companies to advertise on pornohub or something.
This is just stupid.
I'm sure there is much more to it, this is just at first glance. I haven't done any deep diving on the research of it yet. He has a lot mentioned that he's filing a lawsuit for, including their "dark money"
A liberal media watchdog group found a bunch of ads (from companies like IBM and Lionsgate and some other big companies) that X was putting next to pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler posts. And since it's a media watchdog group, they informed these companies that their ads were being put next to pro-Nazi posts. And the companies, not wanting to be associated with pro-Nazism, pulled their ads.
So obviously, Musk is angry about that, because he's losing ad revenue, so he wants to sue Media Matters for doing their job. Basically, he said they were "aggressively searching" for content they don't like (well no shit, Sherlock, that's their job) and were somehow misrepresenting how often ads were coming up next to pro-Nazi posts, or something equally stupid.
Because a) it's not illegal for media watchdog groups to "aggressively" search for content, or to share their finding with the companies involved (that's their job) and b) the idea that it's ok for a company to have their ads placed next to content that goes against their values is ok, because it doesn't happen over x amount of times, is just stupid. If a company doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazi groups, then that's their right. Saying, "Oh, but that only happens x amount of times" is idiotic if one time is too many for the company's values.
Musk himself said that some ads were placed by pro-Nazi posts. There's evidence of it happening. He doesn't have a case. He's just trying to bully advertisers into staying with him and trying to scare a liberal media watchdog group.
Now, for those that agree with him, I'd like to remind them of that whole thing with Bud Light and the tranny. When What's his face started doing ads for Bud Light, conservative watchdog groups went to all the companies running ads (aggressively searching for content) and said, "Hey, this doesn't match your company's values" (or whatever) and those companies dropped their ads for Bud Light. So, just imagine Bud Light saying they're going to sue the conservative media watchdog groups for doing their job and getting those companies to pull the Bud Light ads, along with the companies who pulled their ads because of something stupid, like they only showed the Bud Light tranny ads on Hallmark(or insert conservative company here) x amount of times. Think they would win that lawsuit? Would you support Bud Light in their lawsuit?
Who founded Media Matters?
David Brock.
Brock was formerly in a long term relationship with James Alefantis.
Why you shilling for Brock?
Why do you assume that just because I don't side with Musk on this, I must be shilling for Media Matters, David Brock, or anyone else?
Why are you so fervrent in your defense of Musk? Are you shilling for him?
Is it really such an outrageous idea that someone just thinks Musk is wrong in this matter?
Is it not acceptable for someone to have a different opinion? Is this supposed to be a hive mind? We're all supposed to think the same about everything?
Nothing to do with siding with Musk.
Brock is a pedo, plain and simple.
I don't agree with Musk's position on this matter. That hasn't changed since he threatened to sue the ADL for turning advertisers against him. (He never went through with that lawsuit). And it didn't change when he threatened to sue the Center For Countering Digital Hate for turning advertisers against him. (He never followed through with that threat, either).
He made the choice to allow certain content on his site, fully knowing what much of the public thinks of that content. And when that public complains about it, and companies choose not to work with him because their customers are speaking out against it, he tries to bully them into staying and he tries to bully his critics into silence.
This is just another case of a group saying negative things about the content on X and advertisers leaving because of it. And I would be absolutely shocked if Musk followed through with his threats on this one.
There's a reason he never follows through on these threats. You realize that, right? It's because he knows he won't win.
Musk just likes to throw public temper tantrums when things don't go his way, then he threatens to sue everyone who hurts his feelings. After that he goes and blows up some rockets or makes some electric pick up trucks or whatever and forgets about all the lawsuits he threatens people with.
Whether Brock is a pedo or not doesn't change or have anything at all to do with any of this. It's just an effort at "guilt by association". It's lame.
You make good points. Thanks for the education. I appreciate the time you took to write this up.
2/4 - 'Media Matters' is a Soros-formed and funded Far Left, Pro-Jewish fake watchdog organization that is not happy that Elon is offering free speech for everyone. They don't like that Elon is allowing people to speak freely about the Israel-Hamas-Palestine conflict. They feel threatened. They want the speech to be only Pro-Israel and Pro-Jew. Anything else is a no-go.
1/4 - No. He is misrepresenting. Read the statement Elon made yourself. Don't fall for his spin. When you let others tell you what it means, you assume they are telling you the unbiased truth. In this case, the person you asked may be batting for the other team and may appear to present 'the facts' but omits important facts that count.
Thank you for your input. The original reason I was asking for assistance in figuring out what Elon was trying to do was due to my inability to fluently understand legalese. If it's in plain English, great, but when the legal language is tossed in I loose interest and understanding quickly. CallMeAI helped me understand what Elon is trying to resolve. He has a decent view and I appreciate his input, also. Now your viewpoint is very valid, allowing me to re-read Elon's letter and begin to understand what he's implying. Clarity is coming to my eyes, from different viewpoints and I'm enjoying it. Thanks again for chiming in. Hopefully a lot of people will read the replies to my question and they can have their understanding elevated, also.
Thanks for being fair in listening to viewpoints that aren't popular here.
I'm not some undercover agent for Media Matters or Soros or some such bullshit. I simply don't think Elon Musk is as great as many others here do, so I don't just jump to his defense no matter what stupid thing he does.
And threatening a lawsuit over this is stupid.
And since many of his fans have the memory spans of goldfish, they forget that he was making these same types of threats to sue the ADL for pretty much the same thing. They said bad things about the content on X, so companies started pulling their ads. This was back in September, and he has yet to file a lawsuit.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/05/elon-musk-sue-adl-x-twitter
This kind of thing has been happening regularly since he bought Twitter. Some group will bring attention to the type of content on his site, and he has a hissy fit and threatens to sue them.
Here's where he was going to sue The Center For Countering Digital Hate back in July because they were documenting the rise in hate speech on Twitter. Spoiler alert, he never went through with the lawsuit.
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-lawsuit-cchd-twitter-x-hate-speech-extremism-434a80631f9e76833ee30387c04dd290
This is not anything new. Musk has had a bad time with advertisers bailing on Twitter/X because of its content since he bought the company.
Here is the issue, without all the BS cluttering things up:
Musk wants to make Twitter/X a "completely free speech" site. So the company is not taking down many posts that are considered hate speech by the general population.
Since so many companies are on the woke side these days, they don't want to be associated with a business that doesn't stop hate speech posts on their site. So they pull their advertisements from Twitter/X.
Obviously, this greatly upsets Musk, because he's hemorrhaging money on Twitter/X.
So he's going after anyone who points out that the content on Twitter/X is increasing in what is considered hate speech. He threatens to sue them for billions of dollars and blah blah blah. Yet he has failed to follow through on any of those threats. He's simply trying to bully people into not criticizing Twitter/X and into not pulling their accounts from it.
The issue is that Musk wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants to be able to turn Twitter/X into a "completely free speech" space, where people can post whatever they want, even if it's considered hate speech. If you've ever been on sites like 8chan, you'll know what kind of material we're talking about.
So he wants to have a site where all that is allowed, AND he wants to keep making money from all his advertisers. But like I said, most companies are woke these days, and they don't want to be associated with sites that allow hate speech to flourish on their sites. So they don't want to do business with Twitter/X anymore. Which is 100% their right.
But Musk wants to intimidate advertisers into not leaving X, and he wants to intimidate anyone who calls attention to the hate speech on his site, which scares advertisers away.
And he simply can't have his cake and eat it too, in this woke climate. He can't force or bully or sue companies into advertising with him if they don't want to be associated with his business.
Now, people can argue about what is considered "hate speech" and argue about if it's hate speech to post anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-whatever else content. And I'm sure plenty of people will try after this post.
But the simple fact is that a shit ton of people believe it is. And those people will threaten to boycott the products of people who work with X, and those companies, not wanting to lose money from such boycotts, will obviously choose to not advertise with X. And that makes Musk mad, because it costs him money.
So, there it is. That's really the heart of the matter. Without all the BS.
I would be absolutely shocked if Musk went through with his threat and filed whatever "nuclear" lawsuit or whatever "the second court opens" on Monday. I would be shocked if he ever filed this lawsuit. Just like I would be shocked if he ever followed through with any of the many lawsuits he's threatened in connection to him losing advertisers over his content.
Most likely, he'll just grouse about it for a while and then let it just fade from everyone's memories. And judging by what I see here, that might take as much as a week for them to forget all about it.
He'll continue championing a "completely free speech" site, and people will continue to post hate speech, and the woke public will get upset about it and threaten to boycott the advertisers on X, and the advertisers will ditch X because they don't want to lose their customers, and Musk will get upset that companies don't want to be associated with his site, and he'll blow up the next time some other group points out the rise in hate speech on his site, and he'll threaten to sue them to hell and back, and then we'll have more posts here about it, where people get all excited about taking down whoever is hurting Musk's feelings and maybe I'll be here to point out why that lawsuit won't work, and then I'll get called a shill and idiot or whatever it is I'm getting called here and then Musk won't follow through on that lawsuit, either, and everyone will forget about it, and we'll start the cycle all over again.
But maybe you, and others who don't feel the need to defend Musk over anything he does, will remember this conversation. And see it for what it is. A man who made a horrible business decision by dumping 44 Billion dollars into a failing business, and is hemorrhaging money from that business every day because of the very questionable decisions he makes, and continually tries to force companies to advertise with him because he NEEDS their money.
And maybe you'll even notice how Musk's "completely free speech" stance doesn't cover people who point out all the hate speech on his site. He certainly wants to shut them up.
Anyway, sorry for the epic run-on sentences, and the ridiculously long post here.
But again, thanks for being objective and willing to listen to something that doesn't conform to the groupthink going on here over this.
Sometimes people forget it's ok for others to have different opinions.
3/4 - So, they colluded to make contrived and falsified claims to influence the big name advertisers of Twitter/X to join Media Matters and ruin Twitter/X financially by cancelling all their advertising.
Elon saw through their manufactured scenario and isn't going to take it sitting down.
4/4 - A similar example is this fake scenario: You know the saying that you have more chance of being struck by lightning than you do of winning the lottery?
Well, you use that knowledge to spread the rumor that if you buy a lottery ticket from the only vendor in town that sells them, (A small business that is a competitor to you) that you will likely be struck by lightning.
Then you tell naïve town folk that a lightning strike happened near that convenience mart, and everyone in town is afraid to buy their lottery ticket from that vendor, for fear of getting struck. They just stop buying from that vendor all together.
That vendor now suffers a financial loss because selling lottery tickets was his bread and butter, and your competing convenience mart (that doesn't sell lottery tickets) gets more customers into your business instead.
Of course the lightning story was manufactured in order to harm the other guy and benefit yourself. It was disingenuous and insidious. It is analogous to what Media Matters does to those organizations that won't follow their orders.
No problem. There's a whole lot of stupid crap in what Musk put out in his complaint, but those are the main issues.
I think the one Musk is relying on to support him is when he says that Media Matters used some algorithm or something to make it look like those ads placed on pro-Nazi posts would come up in someone's feed more often than they really would. I don't really understand it.
But if you're a company that doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazism, having just one ad show up next to pro-Nazi content is one too many.
Now, if Media Matters did something legitimately fraudulent or illegal, sure, go after them hard. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
It's not illegal for media watchdog groups to gather information or for them to inform companies of what they find and it's not illegal for companies to pull ads from something they don't want to be associated with their product. And that's what Musk is complaining about the loudest.
Media Matters secretly posted some crap on X/Twitter. Then went to advertisers and threatened them if they didn't pull advertising because X/Twitter is allowing crap on their service. Possibly the advertisers were in on it. That I'm not sure. Either way, it's a scheme by Media Matters to hurt X/Twitter financially. Musk claims they have the proof and are going to sue them into oblivion. I have no idea what the crap was that Media Matters posted.
This would be like some dude running naked through Walmart and then trying to hurt Walmart financially because they are showing nudity to kids.
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I know every company has the right to advertise where they want. That isn't the issue here. The issue is that media matter used contrived, false and misleading information about x to coordinate a boycott on advertising which will hurt x. That is an illegal conspiracy. At the very least libel/slander
Elon also no doubt has the evidence to back up his claims.
It's interesting that this happened right after the heads of some of these companies dined with Xi the day before. It also happened right after the FCC passed their new equity rules. Media Matters likely had this planned and ready to go.
We'll see if the lawsuit has merits.
God Speed Elon, God Speed!
I hear about an army of propaganda artists through “Community Notes.” Using this tool, account holders can anonymously post false claims and attach it to one of your tweets.
We all need to get back in to X (create account if we dont) and fight back these false narratives. At some point I feel the policies should flip away from both right and left wings into Truth side. Question is who really can define what the Truth is? God help us!
Gett'em Senpai! 😡
he is a very big fish. to put this in perspective, Elon Musk makes Donald Trump look like a peasant. fighting musk and fighting trump are not even on the same level, moneywise. i hope he destroys every company that colluded like this
You are serious right now?
Can you cite any single instance where Elon told the public he'd be appearing and it filled any sized arena.
Can you share any evidence of millions of dollars flowing into Elon's coffers that aren't from his government funded (stolen from us) corporations?
And what even is a thermonuclear lawsuit... will it have the Epstein client list attached?
Edit: to be clear, I'm not one of your downvotes. I'm all for Elon's stepping up and also not a fervent Trumper. I'm just trying to understand how you see Elon having more financial clout.
i'm not talking about "political clout". it's a fact that elon musk is the world's richest man. ish. estimates differ but here's a list. https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/richest-man-in-the-world/
now if you look at the media they are all saying Trump is worth 2-4 billion. obviously they lowball to hurt his credibility, but the actual number is still probably around 10-20 billion. so elon musk is around 10-20 times more wealthy than donald trump.
You're comparing Elon's ability to hoard cash in his own bank account vs Trump's ability to move cash to many areas. From a dollar for dollar ability Trump easily passes Elon.
no, i'm comparing the total networth of all their assets to the total networth of all their assets.