https://www.theverge.com/24194493/forever-chemicals-pfas-lithium-ion-ev-rechargeable-batteries
Rechargeable lithium-ion batteries used in everyday gadgets, electric vehicles, and to store renewable energy could be a growing source of the “forever chemicals” that pollute soil and waterways, new research suggests.
“Forever chemicals” encompass thousands of different kinds of per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS). For decades, they’ve been used to make products more resistant to water, stains, and heat. More recently, a particular subclass of PFAS called bis-perfluoroalkyl sulfonimides (bis-FASIs) has been used as electrolytes and binders in lithium-ion batteries.
Those bis-FASIs are now showing up in soil, sediment, water, and snow surrounding manufacturing facilities, according to research published yesterday in the journal Nature Communications. The study authors also found bis-FASIs in liquids that leached from landfills.
. . . Taken together, it points to lithium-ion batteries as a potential vector for forever chemical pollution from cradle to grave. Without taking action, it’s a problem that could grow as more pieces of our lives become all-electric — from cars to homes and buildings.
I never understood the whole freaking thing, people think they’re saving money with gas, but in five years , 10 years , they have to buy a $50,000 battery which defeats the purpose of saving the gas all those years. As far as being better for the environment fk them and their lies !
What's even better is the amount of energy it takes to harvest the materials to build those batteries is enormous and takes a huge toll on the environment that these chuckleheads do not factor. The same can be said for the energy to recharge them. I do not want the dependence on a charging station that "may" work unless some entrepreneurial metal recycler comes by with a large pair of cutters and zoink's the cable. I LOLZ when I have read about that happening. Feel bad for the folks that are impacted, but that comes with the territory. I would assume they'll come up with a solution to deter that in the future, but until then, I would be really pissed if I was traveling that that was the only game in town and some junkie grabbed it, leaving me stranded. I can see that easily happening too, some of those charging sites are remote and you would be fucked. Does the app even show if someone snagged the cable? I assume not.
I'll take my diesel and petrol.
We seriously need to stop the anti-electric vehicle propaganda. They're not the savior of mankind, but the technology is awesome, and they have a lot of legitimate advantages over traditional ICE cars. Also, we know that all the environmental stuff is a hoax, and I expect batteries are the same. Forever chemicals is just a scar tactic. Do you know what is a forever chemical? Water. It's just another way to say that it tends to stick around in nature. Also, everything you said about electric chargers is true about gas stations, except I can put an electric charger in my house, which is pretty cool.
I am more a fan of hybrids. One gets the electric perks, great mileage, the engine and braking recharge the battery, the range is amazing, gas stations are abundant and quick to refuel compared to charging. Can use the vehicle as an emergency generator in a natural catastrophe or SHTF event.
Plus, the US is sitting on the world's largest known gas and oil deposit. Drill that and we have the cheapest fuel anywhere.
Dont hear me wrong, I do think that they're pretty cool. I build battery packs and harvest 18650 cells to power crap, so I get the cool factor as well as the performance. What I dont dig on (new cars electric and ICE) is the control the mothership has over your shit. Do not dig that they can turn off, restrict, track allow / disallow you to charge etc...My trust of corps and government is less than zero. If I can neuter all the shit and have a stand alone vehicle that does not need to contact the mothership, I am golden and would have more interest.
Home chargers are the way to go and for around town, I get that they're a blast. I would love to have an off grid pad with a powerwall and large capacity LiFePO4 storage bank. Driven by both panels and wind generation. I will also install geothermal for conditioning the air space. I am definitely not anti electric. I am anti arrogance that has been hand in hand with these fart smelling Prius drivers.
While I agree most people aren't going to save anything going EV over gas when they drive ~15k miles a year and gas is $3.50 a gallon and electricity is $0.15 a kilowatt hour, the battery replacement cost isn't anywhere near $50k.
A re manufactured 250 kW battery for a Tesla 3/Y is $6995 shipped and installed. Expect to pay about double for brand new Tesla OEM.
Ty for the update ,, I was quoting someone else on the battery price ,, I had no idea obviously they didn’t either lol ty for the knowledge !
Tesla battery life is more around 20-30 years based on current estimates of 250k-500k mile life. The current degradation for a 10 year old model S is 90% of original range. Seeing that the only scheduled maintenance is tires, 12v battery and break pads (estimated to go 100k miles due to regenerative braking) it’s not all that bad.
Department of Energy…trust their numbers or NOT? Read…
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/us-dept-energy-exaggerates-ev-energy-savings-heres-how
It doesn't save any money. It costs MORE money. It's just another lie they spread, and people who don't do any research just accept it.
It's pretty simple how they've designed the propaganda push
$500,000. With the democrat inflation I think the trap is to constantly have these repairs get more expensive. These people are so annoying.
Anything other than zero-point energy is bullshit. Release the docs and lets fucking goooooooooooooo!
Yes, this. Enough with the pie-in-the-sky "new kinds of batteries will save the electric car" bullshit.
There are concepts for more kinds of batteries. Meaningful research into them however has ground to a crawl.
Because everybody hopped on board the Lithium Battery train.
It's fine to "hop on the train" as it were, but having batteries be from such a finite resource is of course creating an issue in the very long term whereas something like a graphene battery is a good bit more sustainable, and even then that may not be the end all either.
Graphene based batteries, including graphene aluminum ion, look very promising and to be in greater use in the next ten years or so.
Stupid question, but why not take the old lithium batteries and drop them into an active volcano? Wouldn't they just melt and become encapsulated slag once the volcano begins making lava?
Also the lithium is mined by child slaves. A deal killer for most humans, not demoncrats.
I'd be interested in a Tesla...
If it were powered by gasoline.
Research how oil is potentially a renewable resource... will blow your mind.
Unfortunately Elon was/is a huge beneficiary of this cabal scam push.
Does anyone else see the peak irony here? Most propoents of EV's are fanatically anti-nuclear beause of this exact & specific reason.
😂😂😂
In Alaska electricity is power by natural gas turbines
Less toxic batteries are available. Sodium batteries. After they’re fully depleted, the sodium can be disposed of or recycled without harmful effects on the environment. Why Elon hasn’t implemented this is beyond me. Perhaps the infrastructure to manufacture them isn’t suitable for the demand that lithium supplies already.
Not ready yet, but close close close
In 2005 we discovered Nickel-Iron (NiFe) batteries and bought a set to find out if they were as robust as they were claimed to be.
Our attempts to damage the battery by significantly overcharging and deep discharging them, failed.
We didn't understand why this environmentally friendly battery with unlimited life cycles was not available.
So we decided to look into selling these batteries and started IRONCORE BATTERIES in 2007.
Ironcore Batteries have actively worked hard to reduce the cost of our batteries with over a 45% price reduction since 2007.
The owners of IRONCORE BATTERIES have a 100% electric house and use their Nickel Iron battery daily, their battery bank turned 12 years old in December 2021.
We believe so much in our product, we only sell nickel iron batteries. https://www.ironcorebatteries.com.au/page5.php
HISTORY OF NICKEL IRON BATTERIES
In the late 1800's Swedish inventer Waldemar Jungner invented the Nickel Iron battery also know as Nickel-Alkaline battery with Thomas Edison further developing it in the early 1900's with it commonly being called "The Edison Battery".
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford came together to conceive a low price electric car intending to go into business together. It is believed the oil cartels offered Ford incentives to put petrol motors in his car eliminating the developement and production of the electric car.
Thomas Edison's Nickel Iron batteries were used in S.R. Bailey's Electric Car in the first 1000 mile (1600kms) record breaking endurance distance trial in September 1910. The performance of this electric car and the batteries astonished many people considering they were runnning against petrol driven cars.
Thomas Edison started the Edison Storage Battery Company in the early 1900's and manufactured Nickel Iron batteries for mining, railways, forklifts, electric vehicles, switchgear tripping, marine (including submarine), aircraft and miliatry applications and supplied governments across the world with his Nickel Iron batteries.
The Australian Defence Forces commonly used Nickel Iron batteries from the mid 1940's to the mid 1970's. Most Australian Government owned utilities such as telecommunications and railways also used Nickel Iron Batteries as standard in their operations.
The Edison Storage Battery Company was bought by Exide in 1972 and shut down the production of NiFe batteries in 1975. Their reason was because these batteries did not wear out, they had no repeat business. Once you bought a NiFe battery, you had it for life.
The public generally did not know about NiFe Batteries because the price of these batteries were so expensive they were well out of the reach of the average person.
After Exide shut down the manufacturing of these batteries, over time the knowledge was lost that a simple electrolyte change would rejunivate this rechargeable battery with Nickel Iron batteries being disposed of once they stopped holding charge.
Thewhyfiles.com had a great video on how any inventor applying for a patent was either bought out, bankrupted and/or "accidented" whenever they brought out a great idea. The car that ran on water, another capable of 200 mpg (vapor line from gas tank brought into intake manifold(??)) were all ideas that got quashed and hidden away. I look forward to all the "new" technologies that will be coming our way!!
I'm no auto mechanic, but they may be able to retro fit our present vehicles with the new tech that's been withheld from us.
I think sodium batteries will obsolete lithium soon enough
Would nuclear waste be considered a forever chemical too?
Seems to me Rice University had developed a way to use lasers to convert landfill to graphene for about $30/ton. I'm skeptical but hopeful this is true (there was an owl symbol tossed in the video that threw a flag in n the play). I'm also hopefully Tesla Towers can be developed to take batteries darn near out of the electric vehicles altogether.
I'm waiting for silicon anode batteries, hell even Sodium-Ion ones..
I head posted this thread a few days ago:
Ukraine is the new Iraq. Lithium is the new Oil. Carbon Credits are the new Petrodollars. A brief history of the world through the lens of currency.
There is a company called Edison Motors that is making kits to convert your truck to diesel/electric. It looks cool. They already have an 18 wheeler cab that they built from scratch done and registered. They have videos on YouTube.