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Secretary Hegseth Just Revealed To Will Cain That China Is Building A Tunnel Under The Panama Canal. (media.greatawakening.win)
posted 1 year ago by Joys1Daughter 1 year ago by Joys1Daughter +183 / -0
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– TNBanjoMan 23 points 1 year ago +23 / -0

The Pacific Rim "ring of fire" is experiencing a lot of earthquakes right now... it would be a shame if a "quake" (MOAB) happened that collapsed that tunnel. Just sayin'....

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– aslan_is_0n_the_m0ve 19 points 1 year ago +19 / -0

Let them finish it, then take it away.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 19 points 1 year ago +19 / -0

Yep! This is the first I've heard of the tunnel, no wonder POTUS is pi$$ed!

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Sauce for this, J1D?

This would be pretty big news if true, but a websearch of "will cain hegseth panama tunnel" or even just "hegseth panama tunnel china" finds NOTHING where the word "Tunnel" is returned.

Photo of a TV isn't sauce, either.

What a shame. We have LOTS of comment replies here ALL responding as if the subject assertion that "Hegseth said China Is Building A Tunnel Under The Panama Canal" is bona fide verified sauced truth, and there is none.

IT's starting to get painful logging in to GAW and finding so little actual verification or research, and almost wall to wall simple .... reaction. To storylines, to narratives, to claims, but so little sauce or actual real research.

What have I missed here, Joy?

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I posted sauce in bold 10 hours ago Fractal...look in comments below 👇

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– FractalizingIron 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Lol, I'm always late to the party. (Time zones, whatcha gonna do?). Damn. I missed that. My bad.

One reason why I wish that comments where the OP posts sauce could be stickied. More often than not, they get buried under the larger volume of comments when the order is by upvote.

But just to follow up on this, I'm wondering why Hegseth spoke about this in relation to CCP China. All indications are that it's a South Korean consortium who are doing this. (See below). I suppose it's possible that Panama might have been funding this under the CCCP Belt & Road initiative, but so far I can't see evidence for that.

Edit: Digging

https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/panama-confirms-metro-tunnel-design-contract-for-s-korean-consortium

https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/panama-metro

https://tunnelbuilder.com/Archive/Projects/Panama.aspx

The two articles above have no mention of China, but the third one does:

The South Korean HPH Joint Venture, composed of Hyundai Engineering & Construction Co, POSCO and Hyundai Engineering Co have granted to China Railway Tunnel Group (CRTG) the excavation by TBM of the 5.3 km underwater section between the Panama Pacífico and Albrook stations of the Metro Line 3 in Panama.

https://www-elmetrodepanama-com.translate.goog/consorcio-coreano-es-el-responsable-de-la-construccion-del-tramo-soterrado-de-la-linea-3-del-metro/?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

HPH JV is responsible for selecting any subcontractor, and MPSA is responsible for ensuring that the company meets the minimum requirements of experience and financial capacity for the assigned tasks.

So it looks like the S-Korean consortium chose the China Railway Tunnel Group to dig the tunnel part of the larger project.

Of course, if a CCP company is involved on any level, they are going to be doing dodgy stuff (spying, surveillance, infiltration, etc), so in that sense, Hegseth's comment is relevant, even though the tunnel itself is part of a larger project which appears to have no direct CCP involvement.

We can speculate that possibly behind the scenes, CCP China used leverage to get the S-Korean consortium to subcontract to a Chinese company for the tunnel, but without direct evidence, it's speculation.


Aside: I don't mean it as a slur on your posting, but the fact still remains that the comment section is full of reactions (how many even listened to the Hegseth interview? which, yes, he mentions a tunnel, in one small sentence, but zero details) all of which gets lots of upvotes, why the actual verification, digging and investigation gets almost none.

Personally, this is why I think that copy/paste, shoot-from-the-hip posting has a generally deleterious affect on the board.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

No problem Fractal...

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

PS. How did you catch this, Joy? Were you listening to Fox News on the TV and picked up on this? It's an interesting nugget.

But, for example, the spin that Hegseth "just revealed" this to Will Cain is a big leap of logic, the implication (or assumption) being that somehow its secret or hidden, which the evidence indicates is not the case, but which a whole army of frogs simply accepted and then commented on. Aka knock-on effect.

The information is quite well known, publicly, and even though in the context that Hegseth is discussing, it's relevant, it's not exactly as if the CCP China as a nation state is digging some secretive tunnel under the Panama Canal for nefarious purposes.

Not saying that CCP China isn't nefarious. It is, and everything they control is bad news, including all the companies that ultimately are subordinate to the CCP. But "China is building a tunnel" is kinda different from "A CCP controlled company has been awarded the contract to dig a tunnel under the Panama Canal as part of a larger project". Don't you think?

(See the few links I dug up, thanks primarily to the link from u/Zappo which got me headed in the right direction, because I'm quite familiar with South Korean conglomerates.)

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– GimmeMemes 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

And if the collapse of that tunnel caused the destruction of the Panama Canal?

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– JohnTitor17 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

And if the collapse of that tunnel caused the destruction of the Panama Canal?

Kinetic war

I've been saying for a long time now (year?). China gets taken out in one single night.
Practically the twinkling of an eye with weapons that will look like magic.

It prob seems silly that so many of my posts/comments lately have started with "I've been saying for a long time now..." 🤪
It's not going to be long before you guys are going to be thinking I'm a time traveler (Kek) but I swear I'm not the real John Titor, I just know he was legit...
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– Numina24 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

it might, so collapse it far away from the tunnel.

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– MAGAsoyboyslayer 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Damn all these pedo tunnels. Lol

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– Oblakhan 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

Just punch a hole in the canal, and fill the tunnel with water.

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– gnuguy 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Ahhh. I like. You sir are a problem solver!

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– MAGAsoyboyslayer 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It's a Chinese built tunnel. Probably already collapsed.

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– Standingoak 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

No fresh water ,no locks, no canal. That's why they are building the demolition/destruction access tunnel

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– deleted 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0
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– Standingoak 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Wash ,flip repeat. It's like living in God's snow globe then ? Only he does it with magnets ?

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– russiah 16 points 1 year ago +16 / -0

Panama government might be dirty to allow that tunnel to be built in secret

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– suleo 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

I mean, it's Panama. What's Panama known for?

International laundromat.

Panama papers, 'member?

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

red

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Absolutely...took big bucks from China probably

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– FractalizingIron 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Not in secret at all...

https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/panama-confirms-metro-tunnel-design-contract-for-s-korean-consortium

https://tunnelbuilder.com/Archive/Projects/Panama.aspx

https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/panama-metro

What's curious is that it's a Korean consortium that was given the contract, not a CCP Chinese one.

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– Vargamora 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Yup.knew this last week when seismics indicated tunnel blasting etc in the canal area. Just didn't know China was involved.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Didn't hear that..

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– Bedminster 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

I see that tunnel flooding very soon. And I also see a lot of issues for the Panamanian government because they obviously knew about it.

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– mac1221 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

That may explain why the Panamanians seem very cooperative with the US. This whole situation is far from being finished. I am just glad some action is finally being taken about what is taking place there. I have been sounding the alarm about those ports for years along with other strategic infrastructure the CCP has been appropriating around the world.

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– Standingoak 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Better hope it doesn't that fresh water is what makes the whole thing operate

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– Thwok 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Why is it important that it's fresh water?

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– Standingoak 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

The lake water is used to fill the locks each time a boat enters. Then released to lower level back down for next boat. (water drains to the sea )

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

And the Lake level depends on rain water

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– Thwok 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Thanks for the info. I didn't know this.

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– doug1956 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Doesn’t sound like anything a Seal Team can’t handle.

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– greatpumpkin 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Start backing cement trucks near one of the upper air vents.

Make sure its a slurry-type mix.

Don't stop until they reach the top!

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Just like Epstein's tunnel ..

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– killerspacerobot 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

No. This undoubtedly is a breach of the Canal treaty (which itself is a bit of a fiction, since the text signed by Carter is not the text signed by Panama), and U.S. forces need to land and establish control over the tunnel---and inspect it with a fine-tooth comb. Then figure out what to do. Backfill with tailings might be the answer that does not pose any seismic problems.

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– CMAnon 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Gee a little bunker buster that was mistakenly dropped could make that tunnel go bye-bye in a hurry.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

That would be great except the tunnel is under the canal.

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– Standingoak 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yep , Thinking is hard for most.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Fox finally put up a link to Secretary Hegseth's interview on Will Cain's show today. It's a packed almost 17 minutes 😸 start watching at 8:30 mark if you want to hear about the tunnel

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371327395112

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– pugsan 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

According to Grok:

Q: Is China building a tunnel UNDER the Panama Canal?

A: Yes, a Chinese company, the China Railway Tunnel Group (CRTG), is involved in building a tunnel under the Panama Canal as part of Panama’s Metro Line 3 monorail project. The tunnel, which began construction in 2024, will allow trains to pass beneath the canal to connect Panama City with western suburbs, addressing traffic congestion. It’s a 5.3-kilometer underwater section, bored 65 meters below the seabed, and is expected to be completed by mid-2026. The project is led by a South Korean consortium, HPH Joint Venture, with CRTG as a subcontractor handling the tunnel boring. This is a civilian infrastructure project, not a shipping canal, and is separate from the Panama Canal’s operations, which remain under Panamanian control.

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– Bibloop 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

This movie is getting even saucier now

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

No kidding fren!

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– Bibloop 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Next episode - flying cars and underground cities :D

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– Rardog900 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

https://images.app.goo.gl/gmHrowu1UgtBg7M8A

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

This is awesome...been waiting for the flying cars since the Jetson's

https://youtu.be/FyinD6ZDqeg?si=fPEWJ0R4yQzGp4ql

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– BigDaddy1reboot 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Is the tunnel under the Panama Canal for submarines??

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Not sure...Pete said all of China's cranes were loaded with surveillance tech, but of course we knew that...the mention of a tunnel was surprising.

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– Standingoak 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Or to drain the fresh water that make canal operate ?

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

It is part of a project to establish a 34 km (21 miles) rail link in Panama City aimed at alleviating road congestion, reportedly. The tunnel is to go from one side of the Canal to the other side, apparently in the Panama City section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#/media/File:Panama_Canal_Map_EN.png

https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/panama-metro

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– JohnTitor17 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I get at least half of the interesting news I read from your posts u/Joys1Daughter! Thanks!

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Cheers fren... I salute you! 🫡

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– Perspectives2025 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

HPH Consortium is the main contractor, appointed in 2020. It comprises Hyundai E&C, POSCO E&C, and Hyundai Engineering.

Doesn't sound much like China

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Pete knows something we don't...

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Well, yeah. He actually knows a few facts (which too many here seem to not worry about that much).

It's a no brainer that where a CCP China company is involved they are going to do dodgy stuff that advances CCP operations, but the project itself isn't a CCP project, and the tunnel is only a part of the much larger project. (surveillance, spying, infiltration)

But the fact that he mentions the tunnel in a tiny sentence (and no more) indicates that it's of very small significance in the scale of things. Digging around this yields facts. I'm a bit disappointing that so many seem to have zero interest in facts, and lots of interest in just going wildly off on speculations.

But Kudos to all the actual digging frogs here, like u/Perspectives2025, like u/Pugsan, like u/Zappo, etc. Sadly, their input is right at the bottom of the comment section, due to receiving no upvotes.

Personally, I wonder why the original post inspires so much reaction and speculation, all of which gets upvoted, and so little digging for actual facts, which sadly gets very little upvotes.

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– Zappo 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

It could be this:

Work Begins On £1.8bn Tunnel So Trains Can Pass Under The Panama Canal By MI News Network October 7, 2024 Shipping News

Sauce: https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/work-begins-on-1-8bn-tunnel-so-trains-can-pass-under-the-panama-canal/

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

A few details: The tunnel is part of a larger 21 mile monorail project in Panama City aimed at revealing traffic congestion (reportedly). A South Korean consortium was granted the whole contract, including tunnel design, but subcontracted to the "China Railway Tunnel Group" to do the actual tunnel work.

https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/panama-metro

u/Joys1Daughter/

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Thanks Zappos! It probably is, but Pete was very forceful when speak of this and said "China is building a tunnel under the Canal"

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– Vargamora 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Seems they would need permission from us to have a train tunnel construction project or any project there!! They really felt it was theirs, apparently. They are so screwed.

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Agreed!

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– hippielouie 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

this?

The China Railway Tunnel Group August 27, 2023 The tunnel will be built under the Panama Canal, on the Pacific side, and will be part of Line 3 of Metro de Panama, which is expected to be opened in 2026 (subway) https://www.plenglish.com/news/2023/08/27/chinas-company-leads-underwater-subway-tunnel-in-panama/

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– Joys1Daughter [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I believe so louie!

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– ancroidubh 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Nonsense. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. As with the D.U. M. B. urban legend, where are the millions of cubic yards of spoil from such a structure? The machine that bores a useful tunnel is around the size of a medium-sized ship, where is it? The “starter” hole would be large enough to bury said ship and be easily visible from the air and probably from space. Where are the pictures of that and the resulting spoil bank?

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– FractalizingIron 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Actually factual. What's kinda dumb is that so many people immediately LEAP to the conclusion that it's some sort of secret tunnel or that China is leading it to undermine .... the USA.

The tunnel is part of a much larger project, and a South Korean consortium has the contract. They subcontracted the CRTG to do the actual tunnel work.

It's a no brainer that where a CCP China company is involved they are going to do dodgy stuff that advances CCP operations, but the project itself isn't a CCP project.

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– ancroidubh 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Thanks, fren.

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– FractalizingIron 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

You can see the design and structure of the boring machine somewhere online. I glanced across it, but didn't do any more than that.

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– SOGWAP 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Gee what for? They gonna drain the canal? Is it parallel to the canal or across it?

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