Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity - 5 minute video that explains why you can't wake people up by using facts on them. Also, stupid people are worse than evil people.
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🧠 These people are STUPID!
Also - Quote found on this board,
"It is not the chronic liars that we need to be concerned about, it's the compulsive believers that enable them."
Speaking of liars, here's my other research in to this stuff. (but this Bonhoeffer video definitely capped off the whole thing)
The Big Lie - How to Enslave the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VfJ0BJvt7Y
I always wondered why the leaders lie so easily and so often. Well, totalitarianism is built on lies. It's why they censor, cancel, etc. anyone telling the truth because only a little truth will tear down their wall of lies.
This leads to massive propaganda that completely overloads the followers to the point of mental illness.
Why STUPID People Are a Greater Threat to Society Than Criminals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoReVkF-UZ0
The followers have no curiosity so this makes them stupid and they just follow what their lying leaders tell them without question; because life for them is easier that way. ("useful idiots") In many cases this does cause mental anguish, but they reach a point at which they think they have a good understanding of what they need to do in order to be comfortable again. (though it is twisted and wrong)
MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M&t=314s
(This is a timestamped link that talks about "psychotic insight", but one really should watch this video completely and perhaps multiple times. It starts a little slow, but quickly picks up pace.)
Why the Left think they are better | Peter Hitchens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qCHRYMe66g
So, why can't you break these people from the "spell" they are under? Not only do they think their ideas (given to them by the lying leaders) are better than yours, they think they're better than you (I assume because they support "the current thing").
Bonus video.
Why is the VICTIM Mindset So Attractive? - Baggage Claim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMWo-dTNGiA
persecution complexes are rampant and I wish the people claiming persecution knew how weak and defeated it makes them sound when they are using the victim card to try and seem strong.
You’re right but we can give special consideration to the millions of decent people who really have been persecuted by the commies over the past several years.
not if they are weakly claiming themselves persecuted. True victims are evident. People looking for social cache can grow up.
We appear to be dealing with intentionally malicious (PAID protestors) that are ALSO stupid. This is why it can quickly become lethal to anyone around these people. There will be much fewer once the deportations are complete. Until then, watch your 6, or operate in units of 3 to watch each others backs.
This is incorrect . Stupid people have been fucked over so often their "Bull Shit" sensors are very sensitive and accurate. Some call it street smart. Evil people learn to beat the lie detectors too. They can and will smile to your face often for extended periods before they stab you in the back, usually at the worst time.
Most of the "compulsive believers" are not stupid just mentally lazy & afraid.
This is soooooo TRUE!
Thank you for posting this u/solarsavior!
"… Stupidity is more of a moral failing than an intellectual one."
It's why I say this all the time... ⬇️
"You have to decide you want to know."
"(We) can explain it to (them), but (we) cannot understand it for (them)."
You guys didn't think I always said that just to sound like an asshole… Did you?
Yeah (informing stubborn normies) it's frustrating AF.
The public education system has many victims.
Congratulations to those who made it out with their critical thinking intact.
Edit:
Q3974, et al:
"It will be your choice whether to know."
I escaped indoctrination.
Come down from you high hobby horse.
Stupid people don't know they are stupid and the many that are stupid due to lack of capacity can't be expected to understand. They need a reason to go along on the better path, not a reason why.
Remember the "frustrating AF" is you own lack of capacity " understand ...(them)."
Empathy like all conceptual only ideas requires higher IQ and the effort to learn about others.
And sad.
Angel Studios recently released a movie about him.
Bonhoeffer: Pastor. Spy. Assassin.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26237514/
u/LoneJury
Is it any good? It’s on my list of to-see’s.
I have not seen it yet. It rates okay on IMDB. The fake news media doesn't like it according to my googling, so it must be okay.
Thanks!
IMO it isn't the best of what Angel has put out from an American standpoint (ie underdog always wins & there is always a great triumph around the corner).
That said, it is a great film that portrays the man & is a fantastic drama style film.
Go in recognizing it is a film to honor the man who held his Christian beliefs until the very end, & it exposed me to Bonhoffer.
As an American who grew up on dramas & action movies where the good guy always wins, it just felt like I had been let down. Many of my friends who emigrated to the US think I am nuts & that this is a fantastic Drama.
Definately worth a watch & I strongly recommend it, but I have a hard time wanting to see it again, likely due to my Gen X, good guys always win attitude. I wish it had gone on to show how much his sacrifice has helped shape & change the world since his end. Another 5-10 minutes of how his life effected the world would have absolutely made it one of the best films of WW2, that isn't focused on battle, I have ever seen.
Lots of biblical stories end with the protagonist not winning in a worldly manner, as nice as the last century+’s underdog template is.
I’ve been meaning to watch it for some time, it’s definitely on my list.
Personally, I think this is the surface issue. The real issue is what is moral and what is not?
For example, anti-MAGS TDS people may believe they are moral, even Christian, and claim that this video explains why so many people "follow" Trump --because they're stupid.
But MAGA morals are higher than non-MAGA morals. Correct? And there lies the deeper issue. I believe they are, but how can I convince stupid people that their morals are wrong when they think I'm the stupid one with lack of morals? Around and around we go.
So, I don't think this video is explaining the deeper issue. In my opinion, at the root of stupidity is a psychological weakness--the fear of being wrong, or being held accountable, or missing out, or not belonging, or of consequences, etc. Fear. Deep fear that threatens the ego. And that fear can arise in particular when your morals are misaligned with something, and so you gravitate towards others with the same morals.
That's my hypothesis, anyway. If I end up in jail, I will explore it further.
If you watched the video, then perhaps you missed it as I missed it until a few viewings. The video DOES talk about it being a MORALS issue and not an intelligence issue.
Yes, I agree that's what the video explains. But my point is that morals are not the answer. It's a psyche thing.
If my morals are A, and yours are B, then who is to say whose are right?
We use God to justify our morals. Even then... there are different interpretations of God, the Bible, what God is, etc. So, morals are not the battle ground. Stupidity begins with weak, needy, fragile, or hurt egos. Such broken egos stray from difficult morals and lead to stupidity.
I don't use a god to justify my morals because I am an atheist.
Alternatively, I use the non-aggression principle which is a libertarian concept. This similar to "The Golden Rule" which can be found in the Bible in Matthew 7:12.
Even animals, like apes, understand this rule.
Now, I do see what you are driving at.
Thus far, I find these stupid people to be followers, rather than leaders. The root cause is the lack of leadership skills; the lack of a backbone.
I think this is the root cause. They can be intelligent, but still be submissive and lazy; followers. One may say that these are poor morals so the word still works; though it isn't precise.
When my daughter was in school, I saw all of these slogans on the walls like pride, respect, teamwork, etc. I did not spot "leadership". They weren't teaching leadership as far as I could see and I commented this on a survey. Upon graduation at the middle school level, they did mention leadership so perhaps either by me or others that the message had been received. My daughter has done extremely well. A professional NFL cheerleader, numerous accolades at her employer, etc.
People must be taught to lead. We all lead in some way at some times. One form of leadership is not doing illicit drugs when others are. (the ability to walk away from peer pressure) It is teaching people to have a backbone rather than simply following for comfort sake. I must say that I have a high "FUCK YOU!" capability. This is what fuels my leadership capabilities.
Then you would likely enjoy the ZAP site: https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thanks for the link!
"Thus far, I find these stupid people to be followers, rather than leaders. The root cause is the lack of leadership skills; the lack of a backbone. I think this is the root cause. They can be intelligent, but still be submissive and lazy; followers."
That's an interesting chord, which - if you don't mind the guitar metaphor - I'd like to use as a jumping off point for my own riff.
The Cabal "gifted" us with a puzzle that has been on my mind since it began. What qualities enabled a relatively small fraction of the public to see through and withstand the weapons grade propaganda machine vis-à-vis Covid-19?
To me it is clear that that answer is not a matter of stupidity, however satisfying applying that label may be. If anything the contribution of intelligence is a negative correlation. In the college educated I noticed an inherent disadvantage when it came to rejecting the narrative. Blue collar workers of average intelligence could spot the crap show far more easily than the high IQ intellectuals and professional class. No doubt, side-stepping a college education spares one heaps of indoctrination.
But what can be identified in terms of personality traits? I am thinking in particular of those who were not red-pilled some 30 years ago. Those reading John Coleman and The Committee of 300 in 1992, for example, don't count. Original Conspiracy Theorists get a pass because they were ahead of the curve. Props to them.
After five years of contemplation here's what stands out to me.
The 5 Traits of NOT Being a (Covid Plandemic) Sucker
1. Fear resilience, or being a non-Karen. Not being whipped around by fear-mongering is a critical precondition. It leaves space to think and question. Importantly, the capacity to hold multiple possibilities and explanations in mind for an extended period of time prevents premature commitment to a narrative, right or wrong.
2. Ingrained suspicion of motives of those in power. Having an operating bullshit detector is essential, especially when pointed at the media and politicians yammering at the mic. If you are immediately repulsed by one exposure to Justin Trudeau or Jacinda Ardern at the podium you possess this essential life-preserving quality.
3. Grounded information independence. A perfect example: the videographers who traveled to hospitals during the early weeks of Covid panic showing that the hospitals and parking lots were empty, with emergency vehicles sitting idle. If you believe the nurses who admitted "We've got nothing to do, it's all a fraud" more so than MSNBC pouring on the phony fear, you operate as an information seeking outlier.
4. Strong trait of defiance. This is having the strength of mind to know what you know is true, despite being out-numbered 50:1 or worse. A psychologist would describe this as scoring low on the agreeableness scale. Not necessarily combative, but not the go-along-to-get-along type. I bet in your daughter's school you would be hard pressed to find banners that proclaimed Rebel, Disobedience, Non-Conformity, or even Independence.
5. Weak attachment to high status groups. National legacy media, Universities, and the public/private medical complex are three high status groups that come immediately to mind. People in such groups viewed Dr. Fauci as one of their own kind. Humans have a strong bias to trust those they perceive as of their own peer group. If you have a weak attachment to the above three groups - or despise them outright - then you were likely to listen to what Dr. Zev Zelenko had to say about early treatment options. He had success. He made sense.
Example. In addition to our departed Zev Zelenko, Dr. William Makis is someone who I believe operates with these five traits in spades. In interviews he shares that since he grew up in Communists Czechoslovakia he can detect Communist propaganda a mile way, and that's what he saw right out of the gate with the Covid pandemic push. Layer on high intelligence and you get someone who researches the medical literature to develop successful alternative cancer protocols. It's not much of a stretch to say he's basically cured cancer. For which he is being mercilessly attacked by the establishment - political, pharma, medical, and legal.
Conclusion. If I had to distill it down I'd put it like this. The military-grade Covid propaganda onslaught was not a test of intelligence as many tend to ascribe, but of learned suspiciousness.
Definition. suspiciousness (American Psychological Association) n. mistrust of the motives or sincerity of others.
Normies have low SQ. For those with high SQ it matters enormously to which group or groups you direct your mistrust. Set aside political theory for a moment. The answer to this question of who you mistrust does an excellent job of separating the political Left from political Right.
I really liked this statement.
I have thought that a hallmark of intelligence is the ability to simultaneously hold multiple conflicting arguments in your head without melting down, but you go further. Doing this slows one down to understand the nuances of things and not be easily taken in by others.
In the second Bonhoeffer video I linked to it goes into how not to become be stupid. It's long winded, but we need something simple; even if not perfect.
Why STUPID People Are a Greater Threat to Society Than Criminals
https://youtu.be/MoReVkF-UZ0?t=578 (timestamped)
(looks a lot like your list)
Never surrender your critical thinking
Beware of groupthink
Recognize the signs of manipulation
Resist the comfort of easy answers
Seek external and internal liberation
My initial thought is that these people simply aren't curious as in "Be Curious, not judgemental", but this simply isn't enough. You need some kind of leadership, resistance, "backbone", component. "Suspiciousness" fits the bill nicely, so I really like the idea of "SQ".
It was my suspicion that woke me up. Sure, I knew about various conspiracy theories, but didn't pay much attention to them, but when the media started laying into Trump (who what doing a good job), I'm like "what is going on here?" From there I made my way to Q and then the whole world opened up. It was my suspicion that prevented me from getting the vax.
Edit: I see that Academy of Ideas released a stupidity video just 5 days ago. Gonna watch it. Their stuff is usually very good.
Why Stupid People are Destroying Society - The Laws of Human Stupidity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmEWjeFkQcI
I can see why our pair of five-point lists have pretty direct mappings. Bonhoeffer is using the term stupid less so in the academic sense of one lacking in abstract capacity or capacity for managing complexity, but rather susceptibility to being suckered.
In the early months of the Covid attack on the citizenry one person I held in high esteem was Dr. Simone Gold. She is an MD and as well holds a law degree. In a later interview she explained that in medical training students are taught that there is one answer to every question, and one course of action: follow the protocol.
By contrast, in training to be a lawyer or judge one is taught to develop and hone both sides of the argument between prosecution and defense. She said her training in law allowed her to think outside the tight constraints of medical training. This was an "aha" moment for me. It helps explain why doctors so readily fell in line, too, like a platoon operating under a military chain of command.
Hmm, I like the "stupid" idea; similar to "gullible" which dovetails nicely with your SQ assertion which also works nicely when thinking about sociopaths, psychopaths, and such which there are more of them in society than people would suspect. They view people as puppets to be manipulated to their delight. Well, these "stupid" (gullible) people would be much easier to manipulate than people that are suspicious.
I worked in medicine. Protocols are important for a number of reasons, but I can see that it would cause tunnel vision in healthcare providers. Also, doctors don't have the freedom to do as they please. Half of them are straight up employees. They may be fired if they don't follow the protocols. The remaining ones are subject to restrictions imposed by insurance companies. Still further, if they fail to follow a protocol and get sued then they may have no recourse.
Bonhoeffer used the word "Dummheit" (in German). There is a short discussion here with one being a German.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28888996
Make dumb people doctors and give them authority because they are doctors.
I once worked in medicine. 50% of doctors finished in the bottom half of their class.
Just because they are a doctor doesn’t mean a damn thing.
“Oh really? And what about the other 50% of doctors?”
Make dumb people politicians and give them power over us....😡
yup.
He stood against the Hitler regime and started his own division of the church to avoid being censored and to speak the truth.
I've determined that stupidity is a choice and is evil. It should be distinguished from retardation, because a person with developmental disabilities does not have the ability to understand and thus has no choice and thus a greatly reduced moral responsibility. A person who is stupid, is someone who is not retarded and does have the ability to understand, but chooses not to understand due to egotistical and social reasons. Truth is not their true end goal. And, those who are not seeking to live in a world of truth are stupid and evil.
Bonhoffer was a communist sympathizer and a piece of trash.
He was the equivalent of a modern leftist today. He was no hero.
One can still be right about some things and wrong about others.
This video resonated with me. My wife is asleep and there is nothing I can do to wake her up. The video did talk about people being "stubborn" and this is the exact word my in-laws use to describe my wife (their daughter). My wife is wonderful in every other way, but damn she is stubborn and I guess this is what causes her to be asleep.
That stubbornness is the key to her waking up -IF you can tap into why is she stubborn. It's very likely that it is a moral issue she does not see straight yet - If you can give her information that aligns with where her areas of agreement and common ground with you are, then expand then to areas you are not as close on, slowly to let her digest them, you can let her convince herself.
For one, she has mommie issues. Her mother is a real piece of work. I don’t know how she handles it. I figure a lot of it is a silent rebellion against her mother. She does her best to keep the peace and have familial relations, but DAMN her mother isn’t happy unless she’s bitching about something.
Your wife isn't "stubborn."
Her commitment to being wrong and not learning, even from those she claims to love, is stronger than others.
This makes perfect sense. He explains how people I know, stubbornly stick to the liberal mantra, no matter what positive things are occurring right before their eyes. They behave like a stubborn toddler and if you don't agree with them, they have a temper tantrum..Their stupidity explains how the Trump Derangement Syndrome found a home in their tiny brains!
Well that and what I call “weapons grade propaganda”.
Q was very clear about this.
u/#q1688
Probably not a good idea to ask the guy in the grocery store why he's wearing a mask.
I don't. However, I make it a point to cough in their direction.
KEK!
These people have had their conscience seared and are utterly incapable of comprehending truth - it is demonic.
Responsibility is a key item. There are two groups. One that is irresponsible, chooses not to take on any responsibilities or deflects the responsibility on to the accuser. The other transfers their responsibility to a leader or to a group. Thus absolving themselves of any responsibility for their actions. This is the dangerous one. Leaders say Musk bad so burn Teslas. They don’t feel responsible at all. They have transferred their responsibility and for good reason.
I came to this conclusion independently. I refer to them as “dangerous idiots”, but the principle is the same.
Conversely, the “useful idiots”.
Useful idiots for psychopaths, but dangerous idiots to me.
Here's a more 'modern' statement from ZAP (The Zero Aggression Project) Are You A Passive (Or Active) Consenter To State Criminality? Jim Babka, Perry Willis
Politicians Get All Of Their Power From Consenters!: https://zeroaggressionproject.org/mental-lever/consenters/
Seems to me to be a stupidity epidemic happening around the world especially in the USA, that said, it’s seems the schools/colleges are a breeding cesspool of creation of stupidity. Governments attract these people.
Yup I have always said the enablers eventually become worse than the abusers.
Oh man, I’m glad I bumped into this (again).