I can't believe the people who are laughing at this guy going to prison.
UNALIENABLE RIGHTS
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
If you celebrate a guy you don't like getting arrested for exercising his rights then the next should fall easy.
This guy is an unlikeable prick but no law - NO LAW - shall be made that infringes upon our God-given rights! The Constitution is there to tell elected "officials" what they can and can't do. We the people are free to do what we want within our rights.
I agree with President Trump's sentiment but he literally violated the Constitution and his new "law" is unenforceable.
Yup! Gotta strip the laws they’ve imposed so far & prosecute those who have ignored other gun laws. Like guns bought in buy backs, somehow mysteriously end up back on the street in the hands of thugs with felony records.
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the actual wording… does NOT criminalize burning the American flag, and does NOT infringe on freedom of speech.
It criminalizes flag burning only when it’s intended to incite a riot. the arresting officers and Federal DA will charge the future flag burner with inciting a riot.
Basically semantics, the flag burner goes to Federal Jail for 1 year, because he incited a potential riot.
I agree. I do not like flag burning. But it is your right as an American. I do not want
any of our God given freedoms or constitutional rights taken away.
And yes, this guy was just a showboating prick.
Edit: Was he arrested for the flag burning? I did not see it as him starting a riot. No one rioted.
Wait 'til the EO is published. There's way more nuance to it. He didn't make a new law by decree, and the rule of law will prevail.
Right now I'm filing this in the same category as "all Mexicans are rapists." When it's looked at more carefully the media will be embarrassed at how they portrayed it.
So the guy in the video being arrested is not going to serve a year in prison for burning the flag, just in trouble for starting a fire in front of the White House?
I believe that not burning the goddamn American Flag was kind of implied bro. You can whine about the first amendment but do you think they really care about the first amendment when they are censoring us on Facebook and even jailing people for their posts???
I agree . Where does it end ! Fk these people , our flag represents freedom. You want to burn it you lost yours . Actually I think the order should of been you get booted out of America , but that wouldn’t fly ! I honestly don’t know how burning a flag is free speech what about burning a car or house wtf is that our first amendment right as well , I don’t understand truly I don’t !
If you own the car and you do it on your own property and the smoke and pollution don't infringe the rights of your neighbors to enjoy their property, go ahead.
The stage we are entering, while necessary, contains all sorts of slippery slopes that can come back to haunt just as the Patriot Act did. The problem with government is that NOTHING is ever temporary and that even bad precedent is promulgated for eternity. These are scary times and while I cheer for the round up of the bad guys, I pray that these laws, decrees and precedents arent used against us in the future.
Don't give a shit about the 1st amendment in this specific act....Noone burns their mother countries flag. Anywhere else, You do so at the risk of being at the receiving end of instant street justice or being arrested and beaten up in jail or deported and your citizenship or visa revoked. Why does usa tolerate this, it must be drilled into every person head that the flag represents your country of which you are a citizen off and for which many have sacrificed and died for. Have respect and hold that flag high at all times.
Does the President have this power? What about free speech? This is an ugly precedent if we ever lose power. I disagree with PDJT on principle and strategy.
No he doesn't. In the remarks when he signed the EO, there's a lot more nuance to the order than how it's being presented.
The coverage might be a case of drawing attention to it, so that people who investigate will see it's actually a common sense and perfectly constitutional action, whereas the media will leap on it to describe him as Hitler again, only to be proven wrong.
We'll find out when the order is published, but it seems like the order requires greater attention from the DOJ for any criminal activity which involves burning a flag, and specifically investigating whether it can be prosecuted as incitement to riot. This guy shown above should be fine.
Thanks for that. I wonder, then, why? What was the angle? Unless the MSM is freed of the cabal and deep state, this move really risks a lot of divisiveness and antagonism.
Why did he say "Mexicans are rapists" back in 2016? Because it got lots of attention.
Once people examined the truth after piercing the media fog, Trump gained credibility and the media lost it. I think that'll happen here, too. We'll find out soon enough.
Honest question . How is burning our flag free speech . What about burning a car or house or anything . Speech is speech , burning our flag is not speech , it is dangerous and destructive, not to mention a sign of hating what our flag represents . Honestly asking , I don't get how lighting something on fire and burning it is speech ! As I said what about burning a building down that we don’t like?
It's symbolism. Like speech, it represents an idea to communicate thoughts. Speech is auditory symbolism of ideas. Sign language is symbolism too and I'm sure you understand that a person using sign language is engaging in speech.
Lots of things are dangerous, including guns, kitchen knives, etc. they can be used without threatening harm to anyone. Sure, if I burn a flag and throw it on you while you're filling your gas tank, I should go to jail. If I burn a flag (not that I would) in the middle of a paved open area, it could be done without endangering anyone.
Should hating be a crime? Should hating what the flag stands for be a crime? Perhaps you and I value the great things that the flag stands for, but another person might see the flag as standing for all the evil crap that was done by the evil elements of the US government, such as CIA assassinations, Waco & Ruby Ridge, military industrial complex forever wars. Do you only value freedom of people with the same ideas as you? That's not actually freedom.
Thank you so much for taking your time to explain ! I totally get it , I’ll be honest I was somewhat one of those flag haters years ago because I hated the goverment so much , I wss as not so much anti American per say but I was definitely anti goverment . I hated everything they were doing . I was much younger and it was after Vietnam and some of the situations you mentioned Cia , Ruby Ridge etc . I’ve understood and matured much since. Now the gov I hated kind of flipped the script and have brainwashed the people in this country to destroy it , and each other ! Pretty crazy, I still am agaisnt burning the flag as I believe we need to make a stand for America and stick together as a nation not hate it and allow demons like those in Dearborn Michigan turn her into death and destruction from within ! I’m wondering if the 20 yr veteran was a paid plant ftom the left ???? Sure looks bad. !
I knew someone who was arrested on a misdemeanor arson charge for symbolically burning a note with things she didn't like about herself on it on a public sidewalk.
I don't see how this is any better. It isn't like he is doing this on his own property in a properly set up fire pit.
Should I be allowed to block the exit to a neighborhood with a giant tire fire for free "speech"? What about protest the fees to camp in a national forest by burning a dollar bill on the ground during a drought or Santa Anna winds there?
Fires aren't speech or the press, they are destructive actions and potentially common law(pre statutory) felonies that the courts have been perfectly will to let the government regulate for everything other than flags.
Precisely so. Fires are not speech; they are chemistry. We don't have an inalienable right to practice chemistry, if it leads to civil disturbance, violence, or arson. (Or explosions.) People are too ready to use misnomers instead of correct language. This is a form of fraud.
It is a symbolic act and therefore a form of speech. Now, I believe it should be done safely, but it's not that different from a candlelight vigil. Wondering what your thoughts are about someone posting an AI generated video of the American flag being burned.
It's not a symbol though. It's actually a fire. Not a symbol of a fire.
But, if we say it is symbolic, what is it symbolic of? It's symbolic of the destruction of the country. Flag burning says, "This country should be destroyed". Is subversion protected by free speech? Can I say, "This country should be destroyed by fire." and agitate for it? I don't know.
This is why the perverts get angry when their flags or paintings are messed with. They understand what's happening better than we do.
Burning a US flag should not be free speech. We should not give these fuckers even one inch. They always and only ever us it against us, never for us.
"Speech" is communicating messages by word of mouth or by writing (or its equivalent forms). Symbolic of what? You can only remotely guess by reference to additional extraneous information, so the uncertainty-reducing function of information is not achieved. AI-generated videos are fictions. If they are presented as reality, the presentation is fraud. In any case, images are not acts.
Agreed. Public obstruction and all that that implies is reason for arrest. The rhetoric from Trump on this just creates further reason for continued division. I feel like I lost the ground I made with friends who were (and are again) calling him a dictator.
Ask any of them if they believe defacing a rainbow or fag flag painted on any street is a criminal offense, and why Biden isn't also a tyrant for allowing people who defaced those symbols of sexual deviancy to be arrested and put in prison.
In the other post, the one that DK (above) shared, says that this dude is a 20 yr veteran...
🚨🚨BREAKING: A 20 year army veteran was just arrested for igniting an American flag outside the White House. This morning, President Trump signed a blatantly unconstitutional executive order mandating one full year in jail for protesters who burn the flag.
If destroying a piece of cloth that is designed with colors, to represent something, becomes punishable, we are pushing the limits of free actions which are allowed under the Constitution. My problem with this has nothing to do with patriotism or protest, it has to do with making a symbol or material sacred. I understand the outrage in seeing a symbol flagrantly destroyed, the act is meant to disturb and insult. The outrage, though, does not make the flag anything more than what it is, though, a piece of cloth with colors arranged symbolically. We must not confuse symbols as something sacred, God has warned us against idolatry.US legal code declares Under 4 U.S. Code § 8 (j), the text states: "The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart".
Etiquette, not criminal law: The Flag Code is a set of guidelines for the respectful handling and display of the flag. While Congress adopted it, the code is considered a code of etiquette and is not legally enforceable, as the Supreme Court has consistently protected flag desecration as a form of free speech.
A "living symbol": The phrase "living thing" is meant to emphasize the flag's role as a potent, active symbol of a living country, rather than a mere inanimate object. This is where I must part ways with any mortal governance declaring any man made object, or natural object, as something sacred. God allows banners and sigils for the nations, there is nothing biblical against using things or celebrating with things. Once we start worshipping that thing is where the line is drawn. If we start enforcing etiquette, how dare the symbol be embossed on napkins, tablecloths, t shirts, etc. God comes before country, for me. I will not go out and burn a flag, no, I would not do that, I would not go burn anything in protest, because as soon as I begin to believe that destroying a symbol will somehow harm what the symbol represents, I am delving into black magic and witchcraft.
Bet it doesnt turn into a 1st amendment issue because it wasnt about speech. Its about fire. He could throw it on the ground, burn it on private property, cut it to shreds and spit on it and he would not have been arrested. He lit a dangerous fire on a public sidewalk, so he goes to jail. Nobody stopped him from his free speech. So thst premise is a lie and the headline to this post shoild be amended because it isnt what happened. The 1st amendment is what theblwft will scream about but this obviously didnt stop the speech it stopped a firebug.
It should be a misdemeanor like lighting anything else with an accelerant in public. As long as there is no damage to anyone or their property I mean. No need to be heavy-handed and possibly lose a first amendment-based lawsuit like this one.
I can't believe the people who are laughing at this guy going to prison.
UNALIENABLE RIGHTS
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
If you celebrate a guy you don't like getting arrested for exercising his rights then the next should fall easy.
This guy is an unlikeable prick but no law - NO LAW - shall be made that infringes upon our God-given rights! The Constitution is there to tell elected "officials" what they can and can't do. We the people are free to do what we want within our rights.
I agree with President Trump's sentiment but he literally violated the Constitution and his new "law" is unenforceable.
Shall not be infringed only applies to the 2nd
Yup! Gotta strip the laws they’ve imposed so far & prosecute those who have ignored other gun laws. Like guns bought in buy backs, somehow mysteriously end up back on the street in the hands of thugs with felony records.
Inciting a riot was added to the EO. And is the reason why he is being arrested. NOT a freedom of speech issue or concern.
READ the EO.
I'll admit I haven't read it. I should know better.
👍 the actual wording… does NOT criminalize burning the American flag, and does NOT infringe on freedom of speech.
It criminalizes flag burning only when it’s intended to incite a riot. the arresting officers and Federal DA will charge the future flag burner with inciting a riot.
Basically semantics, the flag burner goes to Federal Jail for 1 year, because he incited a potential riot.
Boomer? Way to buy into the psyop. Fix yourself.
I believe the attempt is all that is needed to be prosecuted, regardless of the outcome. 1 year in jail, which is the goal of the EO.
I agree. I do not like flag burning. But it is your right as an American. I do not want any of our God given freedoms or constitutional rights taken away.
And yes, this guy was just a showboating prick.
Edit: Was he arrested for the flag burning? I did not see it as him starting a riot. No one rioted.
fires are dangerous. he started a fire not contained proper.
In a public path, WITH accelerant, in August.
Wait 'til the EO is published. There's way more nuance to it. He didn't make a new law by decree, and the rule of law will prevail.
Right now I'm filing this in the same category as "all Mexicans are rapists." When it's looked at more carefully the media will be embarrassed at how they portrayed it.
Good point.
The order pertains to non residents
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/08/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-protects-the-american-flag-from-desecration/
So the guy in the video being arrested is not going to serve a year in prison for burning the flag, just in trouble for starting a fire in front of the White House?
The headline is shit
I believe that not burning the goddamn American Flag was kind of implied bro. You can whine about the first amendment but do you think they really care about the first amendment when they are censoring us on Facebook and even jailing people for their posts???
Enjoy your year in prison dude!
Very nice.
He FAFO he can do the full year in some shithole.
I agree . Where does it end ! Fk these people , our flag represents freedom. You want to burn it you lost yours . Actually I think the order should of been you get booted out of America , but that wouldn’t fly ! I honestly don’t know how burning a flag is free speech what about burning a car or house wtf is that our first amendment right as well , I don’t understand truly I don’t !
They were jailing people who damaged their pride crap painted on streets. Turnoabout is fair play.
Forgot about that !
If you own the car and you do it on your own property and the smoke and pollution don't infringe the rights of your neighbors to enjoy their property, go ahead.
POS!! 🤬
The stage we are entering, while necessary, contains all sorts of slippery slopes that can come back to haunt just as the Patriot Act did. The problem with government is that NOTHING is ever temporary and that even bad precedent is promulgated for eternity. These are scary times and while I cheer for the round up of the bad guys, I pray that these laws, decrees and precedents arent used against us in the future.
Don't give a shit about the 1st amendment in this specific act....Noone burns their mother countries flag. Anywhere else, You do so at the risk of being at the receiving end of instant street justice or being arrested and beaten up in jail or deported and your citizenship or visa revoked. Why does usa tolerate this, it must be drilled into every person head that the flag represents your country of which you are a citizen off and for which many have sacrificed and died for. Have respect and hold that flag high at all times.
I've never understood how flag burning was suppose to be freedom of speech.
You have to be a judge to understand the thinking, so called.
Does the President have this power? What about free speech? This is an ugly precedent if we ever lose power. I disagree with PDJT on principle and strategy.
No he doesn't. In the remarks when he signed the EO, there's a lot more nuance to the order than how it's being presented.
The coverage might be a case of drawing attention to it, so that people who investigate will see it's actually a common sense and perfectly constitutional action, whereas the media will leap on it to describe him as Hitler again, only to be proven wrong.
We'll find out when the order is published, but it seems like the order requires greater attention from the DOJ for any criminal activity which involves burning a flag, and specifically investigating whether it can be prosecuted as incitement to riot. This guy shown above should be fine.
Thanks for that. I wonder, then, why? What was the angle? Unless the MSM is freed of the cabal and deep state, this move really risks a lot of divisiveness and antagonism.
Why did he say "Mexicans are rapists" back in 2016? Because it got lots of attention.
Once people examined the truth after piercing the media fog, Trump gained credibility and the media lost it. I think that'll happen here, too. We'll find out soon enough.
Did he say, "Mexicans are rapists"? I never heard that. If I recall, I believe I heard, "They're sending us their rapists."
Trump didn't say it but the media portrayed it as if that's what he said.
BECAUSE it is TRUE.
Common sense is something you lack, I’ll explain it to you…
Dumbass… NOT all Mexicans are rapists.
However, many (illegal) Mexicans are rapists.
Kek
They were doing the same allready to people who defamed their pride shit.
Seems like both sides love boomerangs.
100 %
I disagree with burning the flag but one should have the right to do it.
I have the right to do burnouts on their pride displays then.
Honest question . How is burning our flag free speech . What about burning a car or house or anything . Speech is speech , burning our flag is not speech , it is dangerous and destructive, not to mention a sign of hating what our flag represents . Honestly asking , I don't get how lighting something on fire and burning it is speech ! As I said what about burning a building down that we don’t like?
It's symbolism. Like speech, it represents an idea to communicate thoughts. Speech is auditory symbolism of ideas. Sign language is symbolism too and I'm sure you understand that a person using sign language is engaging in speech.
Lots of things are dangerous, including guns, kitchen knives, etc. they can be used without threatening harm to anyone. Sure, if I burn a flag and throw it on you while you're filling your gas tank, I should go to jail. If I burn a flag (not that I would) in the middle of a paved open area, it could be done without endangering anyone.
Should hating be a crime? Should hating what the flag stands for be a crime? Perhaps you and I value the great things that the flag stands for, but another person might see the flag as standing for all the evil crap that was done by the evil elements of the US government, such as CIA assassinations, Waco & Ruby Ridge, military industrial complex forever wars. Do you only value freedom of people with the same ideas as you? That's not actually freedom.
Thank you so much for taking your time to explain ! I totally get it , I’ll be honest I was somewhat one of those flag haters years ago because I hated the goverment so much , I wss as not so much anti American per say but I was definitely anti goverment . I hated everything they were doing . I was much younger and it was after Vietnam and some of the situations you mentioned Cia , Ruby Ridge etc . I’ve understood and matured much since. Now the gov I hated kind of flipped the script and have brainwashed the people in this country to destroy it , and each other ! Pretty crazy, I still am agaisnt burning the flag as I believe we need to make a stand for America and stick together as a nation not hate it and allow demons like those in Dearborn Michigan turn her into death and destruction from within ! I’m wondering if the 20 yr veteran was a paid plant ftom the left ???? Sure looks bad. !
I agree completely.
I have to consider, though, the upcoming riots if high ranking pedophiles start getting arrested, this would help with crowd control.
I hope this is temporary.
Depends on the statutes, I suppose
I knew someone who was arrested on a misdemeanor arson charge for symbolically burning a note with things she didn't like about herself on it on a public sidewalk.
I don't see how this is any better. It isn't like he is doing this on his own property in a properly set up fire pit.
Should I be allowed to block the exit to a neighborhood with a giant tire fire for free "speech"? What about protest the fees to camp in a national forest by burning a dollar bill on the ground during a drought or Santa Anna winds there?
Fires aren't speech or the press, they are destructive actions and potentially common law(pre statutory) felonies that the courts have been perfectly will to let the government regulate for everything other than flags.
Precisely so. Fires are not speech; they are chemistry. We don't have an inalienable right to practice chemistry, if it leads to civil disturbance, violence, or arson. (Or explosions.) People are too ready to use misnomers instead of correct language. This is a form of fraud.
It is a symbolic act and therefore a form of speech. Now, I believe it should be done safely, but it's not that different from a candlelight vigil. Wondering what your thoughts are about someone posting an AI generated video of the American flag being burned.
It's not a symbol though. It's actually a fire. Not a symbol of a fire.
But, if we say it is symbolic, what is it symbolic of? It's symbolic of the destruction of the country. Flag burning says, "This country should be destroyed". Is subversion protected by free speech? Can I say, "This country should be destroyed by fire." and agitate for it? I don't know.
This is why the perverts get angry when their flags or paintings are messed with. They understand what's happening better than we do.
Burning a US flag should not be free speech. We should not give these fuckers even one inch. They always and only ever us it against us, never for us.
"Speech" is communicating messages by word of mouth or by writing (or its equivalent forms). Symbolic of what? You can only remotely guess by reference to additional extraneous information, so the uncertainty-reducing function of information is not achieved. AI-generated videos are fictions. If they are presented as reality, the presentation is fraud. In any case, images are not acts.
Agreed. Public obstruction and all that that implies is reason for arrest. The rhetoric from Trump on this just creates further reason for continued division. I feel like I lost the ground I made with friends who were (and are again) calling him a dictator.
Ask any of them if they believe defacing a rainbow or fag flag painted on any street is a criminal offense, and why Biden isn't also a tyrant for allowing people who defaced those symbols of sexual deviancy to be arrested and put in prison.
Exactly. Let Biden be the tyrant.
Oh good, he can be the test case.
Arson is illegal
Inciting (or attempting to) a riot is illegal
Read the EO
Using incitement and other laws to achieve the same goal.
Post - https://x.com/1Nicdar/status/1960136211248382419
In the other post, the one that DK (above) shared, says that this dude is a 20 yr veteran...
https://x.com/PeterTwinklage/status/1960116393078108323
These people are stupid.
These people are sick!
Along with FAFO, all 3 would be good flares.
So funny. I guess he failed the test!!
See you again in…
365 days from now.
May you rot in… (the hell hole that is) the Washington DC FEDERAL Jail.
👍❤️🇺🇸
If destroying a piece of cloth that is designed with colors, to represent something, becomes punishable, we are pushing the limits of free actions which are allowed under the Constitution. My problem with this has nothing to do with patriotism or protest, it has to do with making a symbol or material sacred. I understand the outrage in seeing a symbol flagrantly destroyed, the act is meant to disturb and insult. The outrage, though, does not make the flag anything more than what it is, though, a piece of cloth with colors arranged symbolically. We must not confuse symbols as something sacred, God has warned us against idolatry.US legal code declares Under 4 U.S. Code § 8 (j), the text states: "The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart". Etiquette, not criminal law: The Flag Code is a set of guidelines for the respectful handling and display of the flag. While Congress adopted it, the code is considered a code of etiquette and is not legally enforceable, as the Supreme Court has consistently protected flag desecration as a form of free speech. A "living symbol": The phrase "living thing" is meant to emphasize the flag's role as a potent, active symbol of a living country, rather than a mere inanimate object. This is where I must part ways with any mortal governance declaring any man made object, or natural object, as something sacred. God allows banners and sigils for the nations, there is nothing biblical against using things or celebrating with things. Once we start worshipping that thing is where the line is drawn. If we start enforcing etiquette, how dare the symbol be embossed on napkins, tablecloths, t shirts, etc. God comes before country, for me. I will not go out and burn a flag, no, I would not do that, I would not go burn anything in protest, because as soon as I begin to believe that destroying a symbol will somehow harm what the symbol represents, I am delving into black magic and witchcraft.
It is The difference between worship and respect.
I hear your arguments against and they are valid. Setting an example is necessary tho
Fucked around and now she’ll find out
That's like a paradox! The symbol of unalienable rights is burnt to support those rights!
This is going to run into a First Amendment issue. It has before and it will this time too.
Bet it doesnt turn into a 1st amendment issue because it wasnt about speech. Its about fire. He could throw it on the ground, burn it on private property, cut it to shreds and spit on it and he would not have been arrested. He lit a dangerous fire on a public sidewalk, so he goes to jail. Nobody stopped him from his free speech. So thst premise is a lie and the headline to this post shoild be amended because it isnt what happened. The 1st amendment is what theblwft will scream about but this obviously didnt stop the speech it stopped a firebug.
Yep, I understand about arson and rioting but the flag burning has already been adjudicated as protected political speech.
It should be a misdemeanor like lighting anything else with an accelerant in public. As long as there is no damage to anyone or their property I mean. No need to be heavy-handed and possibly lose a first amendment-based lawsuit like this one.
Very simple. Make this ignorant BS 'arson' and prosecute stupidity.