It is obvious that the amendment did not intend to grant US citizenship to any child a pregnant mother managed to drag across the borders of these United States.
Exactly. That's "willful ignorance " imo. I've read several papers written by those who were backing the 14th amendment, and they were extremely clear. One passage I read seemed to address this issue directly, stating is was for those under the jurisdiction of the USA. Any foreign national is under the jurisdiction of their native country. Doesn't change until they've renounced that citizenship and legally become a USA citizen. Legally being the operative word.
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but it seems quite straight forward to me.
Extending citizenship to any and all who happen to be born on American soil is racist! It denies the reason for granting citizenship to those born here in slavery!
We all know that illegal immigrants reduce wages, especially of black Americans. Why should they ALSO be granted "anchor babies" to further harm citizens and descendants of slaves?!?
"The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States, including formerly enslaved individuals. This amendment was a direct response to the Dred Scott decision, which had denied citizenship to African Americans."
The military as well as the president takes a oath to defend the Constitution and our country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Most of us know that the judiciary is compromised as well as most of Congress
If this actually happens that the SC rules in favor of Trump on this, what happens to all the people who have illegal parents that came here and had their kids? Will they revoke their citizenships or let them stay citizens? If they get revoked, then you know there will be a huge uproar over it.
Our country was grabbed from behind and forced to its knees for many outrageous injustices, while the people who should have prevented it were involved in the doing of it.
OUR COUNTRY WAS ALMOST STOLEN FROM US
Now is not the time for civility. Now is the time for justice.
Pick the point in time where the current interpretation of the fourth amendment began. Mark it in stone.
Every single man, woman and child granted access to our country illegally from that point on must leave the country immediately.
The can go wherever they choose or we can choose for them. They won the lottery for a while, but now the game is over.
Correct, for example I came here legally had to wait almost 11-12 years in my country until US immigration services wrote and call my sister (who was the one who claimed me as a relative) that I start a process to become US resident so I came here and began the process and it took me 8 months or less after all the fingerprinting then after I had to wait for the results and they gave me my green card. Also wait 6 more years no traveling (I didn’t travel because it is like delaying the process) I became US citizen. I have 2 bachelor’s degrees and post-grade and a master degree plus a lot of certifications. These illegals came just to steal our identities and demoncrats and RINOS gave them the easy path to become US residents and citizens. It is not fair
I didn't say that I want them to stay, I agree with you, they should all have to leave or not let back into our Country if they were taken back to their Country to be raised, take away their "citizenship". I'm just saying that you know there will be a huge uproar over this by the lefty lunatics. Way bigger than any other topic that they scream over.
God it would be so nice if these judges actually did their jobs and ruled the right way on this amendment... it's fucking time... anchors should not be American Citizens.
If he goes that is history in the making. It has never been reported to have a sitting US President attend any oral argument session. Nothing legally forbids it so the precedent is just optics for separation of powers. I also doubt that we hear from SCOTUS about his attendance directly. It will be leaks from anonymous sources and on of them will say something off hand at a symposium or dinner.
The 14th Amendment gave US citizenship to those who did not receive citizenship from a state of the union via birth. It is possible to hold state citizenship and NOT federal.
It is obvious that the amendment did not intend to grant US citizenship to any child a pregnant mother managed to drag across the borders of these United States.
Or, the Chinese birth hotels.
Correct
Exactly. That's "willful ignorance " imo. I've read several papers written by those who were backing the 14th amendment, and they were extremely clear. One passage I read seemed to address this issue directly, stating is was for those under the jurisdiction of the USA. Any foreign national is under the jurisdiction of their native country. Doesn't change until they've renounced that citizenship and legally become a USA citizen. Legally being the operative word.
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but it seems quite straight forward to me.
That will make for interesting optics..
Absolutely!
Hubbub incoming…
I'll see your Hubbub and raise you a harumph.
They all need to look their (metaphorical) executioner in the eye. I can guarantee he won't blink
Extending citizenship to any and all who happen to be born on American soil is racist! It denies the reason for granting citizenship to those born here in slavery!
We all know that illegal immigrants reduce wages, especially of black Americans. Why should they ALSO be granted "anchor babies" to further harm citizens and descendants of slaves?!?
"The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States, including formerly enslaved individuals. This amendment was a direct response to the Dred Scott decision, which had denied citizenship to African Americans."
Especially of black Americans? Are you sure about that?
That's a known fact.
Hear me now and believe me later:
I predict the Supremes will go against President Trump on this. The vote will be 4-5.
This will lead to..."the military is the only way".
Hang on to your lilly pads. They're going to turn up the swamp.
Holy Macherel...you may be right Uncle...🔥💥
That will be the straw that broke the camel's back people have had enough of this 🐂💩
We need the military now
We have a non-functioning government. The military is the only way to clean it up
The military as well as the president takes a oath to defend the Constitution and our country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Most of us know that the judiciary is compromised as well as most of Congress
Absolutely Ice!
I have the feeling too we have bunch of traitors in the government. Plus they are compromised already.
https://nitter.poast.org/i/status/2039112003512373275
If this actually happens that the SC rules in favor of Trump on this, what happens to all the people who have illegal parents that came here and had their kids? Will they revoke their citizenships or let them stay citizens? If they get revoked, then you know there will be a huge uproar over it.
Pardon me for a heartless, insensitive opinion...
Put yourself in our shoes.
Our country was grabbed from behind and forced to its knees for many outrageous injustices, while the people who should have prevented it were involved in the doing of it.
OUR COUNTRY WAS ALMOST STOLEN FROM US
Now is not the time for civility. Now is the time for justice.
Pick the point in time where the current interpretation of the fourth amendment began. Mark it in stone.
Every single man, woman and child granted access to our country illegally from that point on must leave the country immediately.
The can go wherever they choose or we can choose for them. They won the lottery for a while, but now the game is over.
I agree!
Yep me too
Correct, for example I came here legally had to wait almost 11-12 years in my country until US immigration services wrote and call my sister (who was the one who claimed me as a relative) that I start a process to become US resident so I came here and began the process and it took me 8 months or less after all the fingerprinting then after I had to wait for the results and they gave me my green card. Also wait 6 more years no traveling (I didn’t travel because it is like delaying the process) I became US citizen. I have 2 bachelor’s degrees and post-grade and a master degree plus a lot of certifications. These illegals came just to steal our identities and demoncrats and RINOS gave them the easy path to become US residents and citizens. It is not fair
I didn't say that I want them to stay, I agree with you, they should all have to leave or not let back into our Country if they were taken back to their Country to be raised, take away their "citizenship". I'm just saying that you know there will be a huge uproar over this by the lefty lunatics. Way bigger than any other topic that they scream over.
Wouldn’t Rubio have to leave?
Yeah, it isn't a perfect solution.
Some will have to remain.
Maybe there could be a sponsorship program where a real American citizen could be responsible for one or more.
I'm guessing that if it does pass, it will not be retroactive. Even though it should be. But that might be the compromise needed to get it through.
I know...feeling that they should be revoked...guess we'll see what happens fren..
It wouod ve impossible to retroactively apply something like that.
I don’t care. I bet those people are traitors that don’t like our country.,
God it would be so nice if these judges actually did their jobs and ruled the right way on this amendment... it's fucking time... anchors should not be American Citizens.
Absolutely!! Our Founders would be appalled. 🤬
That wouldn't even make it into the top 10 of the things that would appall them.
If he goes that is history in the making. It has never been reported to have a sitting US President attend any oral argument session. Nothing legally forbids it so the precedent is just optics for separation of powers. I also doubt that we hear from SCOTUS about his attendance directly. It will be leaks from anonymous sources and on of them will say something off hand at a symposium or dinner.
This is the only country that I know of that we let illegals to have babies in USA and become US citizen right away. This is outrageous
The 14th Amendment gave US citizenship to those who did not receive citizenship from a state of the union via birth. It is possible to hold state citizenship and NOT federal.
I think he’s hinting to the general public that the left uses mafia tactics to ensure voting alignment eg torture, death, family threats, etc
Why the BOOM? Just because he's going to listen dosn't mean BOOM!
It's a FIRST...never happened before
Let me reiterate…This is the first time EVER a sitting USA President has sat in for oral arguments in the Supreme Court. BQQM certified!