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quisling (ˈkwɪzlɪŋ)
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(Military) a traitor who aids an occupying enemy force; collaborator
If you really were simply misunderstanding me, then I apologize for getting short with you.
Understand, if someone can't even accept it when you tell them that they have your position wrong it throws up a big red flag that they might not be sincere.
If there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is intellectual dishonesty. Because of your zealous contentiousness, it seemed as though you were intentionally misrepresenting my position.
I was on the verge of blocking you, but I will hold off on that at least for now.
As for the issue of the discussion (if you can stand to listen to me for another moment) I would like to tell you a little bit about myself and why I cannot and will not ever accept your doctrine. I am not posting the following in order to argue with you any further, but only so that you understand why it is that I cannot be persuaded to your position. It is because I see it as contrary to the Gospel in Romans 10:9 in which we are promised this:
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The gospel of salvation is not, as it were, a call to excellence; it is a call to faith. Salvation is believing in the Gospel of Christ only. Not the gospel + perfection, or any other thing.
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
In my view, you are preaching a different gospel - the gospel of perfection. Not the gospel preached by Paul and the apostles.
You said that sin keeps me from being justified.
The gospel says that I am justified by faith in Jesus.
These are not the same gospel, and I cannot and will not entertain this doctrine under any circumstance.
I hope that you pray for wisdom and guidance from the Holy Spirit (which I have done also) because I feel that you might be towing a dangerous line.
All that being said, I do not wish for hostility between myself and you, and I am willing to accept that you were simply misunderstanding me before.
I get that you are passionate about the subject. I am personally passionate about logic and reasoning, critical thinking, exegesis, typology and biblical prophecy, as well as ancient languages and occult symbolism.
I am not interested in doctrine, my only goal is to discern what the truth is. I do not easily accept ideas from other people, and usually outright reject any position that I did not arrive at organically myself by my own logic and reasoning.
I do not usually snap at people, but I have a red line at intellectual dishonesty, as I have said. I don't care what a person believes, so long as they are candid. There are a great many liars in the world, and I don't have any patience for such. I attempted to be graceful towards you, a task which I obviously failed. Once again, I apologize.
Please accept this pepe as a token of my.. something or other. I lack social skills. u/#DancingPepe
Yes, you ARE misrepresenting my words. I AGREE that it is not just to sin. Stop twisting around what I say, you Satan.
I did not say that Christ justifies me SO THAT I can go about sinning you liar. That is NOT what I believe, not matter how hard you wish upon a star. I SAID that I am justified by Christ EVEN THOUGH I might sin. In other words I am justified in spite of my failings. News flash. None of us are perfect, nor are we capable of being perfect.
You are a LIAR LIAR LIAR. Learn basic reading comprehension and come back in 20 years. I am done with you. You think you get to tell me what I mean and what I believe? You have no idea about anything you cocky little shit.
The Hebrew word for bread is Lechem. The place of Christ's birth is Beth Lechem or House of Bread.
I didn't say it is just to sin. You are misrepresenting what I said. I said Christ justifies me. It is not dependent on my works. You are arguing in bad faith again.
"Sinner" is just a word. Its meaning is simply "one who commits a sin".
If I said that "I am someone who has committed a sin and will probably commit sins in the future, but I am justified by the blood of Christ" would you have a problem with it?
It would be the same thing as "I am a sinner justified by the blood of Christ." Which you apparently would have a problem with because you have an unreasonable aversion to the term "sinner"
You seem to think that the word sinner magically makes you unjustified. It is just a word. Your flesh is sinful. You are a sinner. You are also justified by faith.
I am not "fighting to stay in sin." I am walking in the spirit just like Paul. I walk according to the Spirit and I am free from the power of sin and death. I am also a sinner. I occasionally sin. Jesus Christ's grace covers me and washes away my sin. Simple. Sinner is just a word. I am under grace. Grace is not just a word. My flesh is wicked. I am a sinner. I am saved. The grace of Jesus, and His righteousness justify me. Not my works. If I have good works, they do not justify me, Christ does. If my flesh sins, it does not unjustify me. Christ covers sin.
Sinner is just a word. Stop overthinking it.
semantics
When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
You can't be righteous and a sinner, it's a contradictory in terms, bow maybe you don't understand righteousness, ao you think you can be both at the same time.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
Romans 3:10
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
Paul is not a liar. You are. It is clear to me that you came here with the intent to be contentious and not to have a good faith discussion.
P.S. "of whom I AM chief."
Not I was. I AM. Words matter. Language matters. Don't play stupid games with me. The only false doctrine here is your own.
I am not "making an excuse for sin". Why you think this is a mystery to me. I was simply highlighting a passage that discusses the sinful nature of the flesh because of your insistence that Christians should not "identify as sinners" (which is not the same as "making excuses" or whatever). I would have included chapter 8, but I didn't think it was necessary to paste the entire Bible. But, since you insist:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Taken together Paul is saying that even though he (his flesh) is a dirty rotten stinking SINNER who can't stop sinning even though he wants to, he (his mind / spirit) is not guilty for the sin because he does not intentionally will to sin because he has the Holy Spirit within him. Because he sets his mind on the spiritual things rather than the fleshly things (spiritually minded), he is walking according to the spirit, even though he is still a SINNER. His sin is therefore covered by the grace and forgiveness of Christ Jesus and there is no condemnation.
This is what is meant in the verse you previously quoted from Galatians as well. Crucifying the flesh and walking in the Spirit. Your sinful flesh (the old man) is reckoned dead, and you walk in the spirit by fixing your mind and will on the spiritual things. It doesn't mean you aren't a sinner. It is impossible not to sin. If it weren't, you wouldn't need Jesus. This is not meant to be an excuse for sinning, it is merely the fact of the matter. One will sin, whether they intend to do so or not because the flesh is sinful. It is a matter of culpability.
Furthermore, Paul is very well known for calling himself chief of sinners.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
Is Paul therefore "making an excuse for sin"? Don't be ridiculous.
Romans 7 : 14 - 25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
So Biden was Palpatine all along!
Speaking of face crimes: Maxine Waters. Kek.
The rotation speed of the Earth is variable, and a number of factors such as surface winds can affect how fast the Earth is spinning.
It could be that what they are doing with HARP or cloud seeding could be slowing us down.
I've been fascinated by sinkholes for a long time. I personally find them to be terrifying. One could be under your house and you would never know about it until one day, the Earth just swallows you.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
In this particular case, the answer is fiction.
There are 367 pages of obituaries from January 2020 to July 2022, a two and a half year period. This is approximately 147 pages per year.
There are 257 pages from before 2020 going back one year to December 2018.
https://www.citizen-times.com/obituaries?display=expanded&page=367
I am vengeance! I am the night! I am Batman!
If you had a dozen people posting 5 fake Q messages every hour, hitting a zero delta would become very likely. There was so much spamming when the supposed deltas occurred that the breads were being filled in minutes by all the fake Q larpers and shills.
Zero deltas don't prove anything unless they are mathematically impossible.
Marco Rubio pretending not to know who Alex Jones is
Pretty slimy.
I'm glad I got my ninja pepe when you guys were giving them out because at my present rate it would take 32 more years to hit 40k karma.
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
Is Judas Pence having buyer's remorse?