while there is a very small fraction of a % of posters here who are legit racists, as there are in every single community/sub group, i strongly suspect the majority here are here to paint all trump supporters as racists.
Speaking from the perspective of the spiritual war between good and evil, I'm fairly certain that's the case every single time domestic racism becomes a social justice issue.
I can't speak to "spiritual wars", and not certain how that applies to racism, but i do know two things...
Whenever there's someone trying to discredit trump supporters one of their go-to's is "racism".
And whenever there is a coordinated attack on any part of the .win network from the media, there is a pre-emptive flooding of these racist's spewing garbage.
Now I'm not here to tell people what to think, but at least be honest. If you're a racist and you've got your own reasons then you're free to feel however about whatever.
But the dishonest tactic of coming here and pretending to be what you think we are... just to reinforce your tired weak hollow arguments... is pathetic and sad.
If they have to lie to prove their point then the point sucks and perhaps shills should be spending their time being open minded instead of trying to demonize people that they don't understand.
CNN's Acosta: Mr. President, Adolf Hitler used toilet paper. What are you, literally Hitler? Will you disavow toilet paper right now and promise the American people and the Constitution that you will quit wiping your butt like a fascist, you Jew-loving nazi bigot?
A post like that is just going to get the people to agree out of spite and trolling.
I'm sure it was buried in a thread concerning some woman in a position of power who is abusing her position to do significant damage to the freedoms and liberties of people in this country.
You aren't going to get people defending that statement in a thread like that.
It doesn't mean everyone here hates women, or thinks women should have no leadership positions, it just means some woman in a leadership position did something so shitty that nobody would bother downvoting something disparaging towards her or women like her.
Whatever, ladies. "Placing" anyone "in positions of leadership" is wrong. What is right is allowing leaders to emerge, female or not. It was likely upvoted because it is correct, it's a statement of support for merit based emergence, rather than forced favoritism. This is something of a crux right here.
First problem I see which this situation is you have to disable CSS to get the downvote button to show. Not many people know that, not many at all. Unless I am wrong? Is there a different way to get the downvote button to display without having to disable CSS?
Having only an upvote button, IMO, fosters an echo chamber of reaffirmation.
The "free speech" shills are easy for me at least to spot. they forget there is a vast difference between a right to speak and forcing others to listen to said speech.
GAW refusing to allow doomers to doom here is a case in point. This is "virtual property" and by virtue of it being property, its owners have vastly more authority than the visitor. For instance, if you owned a pub/bar, you wouldn't let a apoc preacher stay in your business if he screams in your customers ears about them all dying tomorrow, and the same principles apply here.
I literally never saw someone use that language until the mods started to cry about it. They suspected it was shill accounts and they were correct, but then why sticky a post about it then? I then called some guy a fag and got banned.
I didn't get banned, but I did rake the mods over the coals. That was not the way to handle it in any form, and it STILL seems to get brought up from time to time.
They were already doing a good job banning and people were already doing a good job reporting, because I never saw it even when I lived religiously in New
It's not so much that they 'own' anything but they use VPNs and Tor. This isn't all that unusual for site admins at websites that have a tendency to attract trolls. You will get some very serious trolls who go well beyond just doing it for the lulz or trying to be a keyboard warrior and you have to IP ban these people. A small portion of those people go to VPN services and Tor to get around your IP ban. But with such services they can just get new IPs so you have to block the 'exit nodes' for these services.
The downside to this is that it's very time consuming in an area that already consumes a lot of time. And a super super super serious troll can just go from one VPN to another if they want. You're also potentially blocking the IPs of innocent people when you do these wide IP bans.
I've personally come to the conclusion before that it is simply not worth the effort. Eventually the person/people will get bored and move on. That seems to be what this admin has decided as well.
The admin determined that these exit nodes swap around between various IPs within the same subnet. IP subnets are incredibly expensive to own. I am sure the clowns acquired these subnets lang ago.
Eventually the person/people will get bored and move on. That seems to be what this admin has decided as well.
You have to differentiate between trolling for lolz and trolling to destroy a community. Far too many communities have been destroyed by professional trolling - so you simply cannot say "yeah just ignore them and they will move on". These are psyops. You could be the re-incarnation of Zen and ignore them, but many in the community will let them get under their skins and eventually turn on each other.
I think it's probably more likely that the ISP owns the blocks, not the shills. It costs nothing for the attackers on a common ISP to run VPN exit points for each other, coordinate efforts out-of-band and an IP address change is as simple as a reboot of the CPE router.
Two can play the game, though.
(Addressing more the mods here than everyone else reading...)
Collect IPs and messages connected to the shill activity and flood the ISP's abuse mailbox, FCC, and potentially the FBI's hate crimes tipline with reports. Maybe someday the federal government will get back to doing its job, but at least create noise in the meantime.
If there's a based State AG somewhere in the jurisdiction (like for instance the shills were posting from an Austin TX ISP), bring state authorities in on it.
This is what the left has been doing for years. My, how the turn tables... something like that.
No evidence of that in the post here, and Feds conducting surveillance or IO missions wouldn't use .mil / .gov address space.
Plus... the anon post is almost 3 years old. Antifag and stormfag shills have moved on to other forms of soy-fueled, limp-wristed harassment.
Glowies... well, they can choke on a geriatric cock. They're probably wondering why the same tactics they used 3 years ago don't elicit the same response. Because we're onto them... regardless of IP address.
I thought of it. Its been ages I been in a college so dont know how it works now, but I would think that their subnets are allocated amongst a whole lot of departments, and each student will be able to switch around in one small area depending on which department / facility they are in.
Also, I wonder if these days they deploy NAT or do they have the luxury of allocating an IP for each machine ?
You’re right on this. We saw it happen to The Donald win. Enough professional trolls who do their jobs really well, the narrative is shifted “organically” via psyops, and it quickly can become impossible to distinguish between sincere users and trolls.
btw, this is not confined to just forums and boards. This is exactly what they do in society as well - anti-racism for instance - they just need a threshold of activity and then you have enough "outraged warriors" who will take it upon themselves to run with this. This is why Great Awakening is so hard. So many of these toxic people (shills in society) genuinely believe they are doing the right thing because of their arrested development.
First time we saw it clearly was in GamerGate. It was a small community and of limited scale, so it was more easy to see what was going on for those in the periphery.
Most certainly. Mix that in with admin/moderator interference/infiltration and you can bomb any community. r/TD took much longer than they expected I believe.
Okay, so you want to traceroute back to see if they belong to the same subnet.
Well, if you throw darts in the dark and they all hit around the same area then you know there is something there. If you see the shills keep coming back with different IPs in the same general range, you know they have control of that range. Whether they are in the same physical subnet at the router level or not is probably of minimal interest.
Doing an IP looking would be interesting, but my guess is that any admin worth their salt would have already done it to at least report abuse. So I am assuming these are IPs that dont give much useful info regarding their owner.
It would be far more interesting to maintain a database of these IPs and share it with other patriots running other sites and develop some intel regarding their methods. Anytime a user gets created on any forum from one of those IPs - boom - tag it and run their posts and activities through some AI and try and learn about their techniques and perhaps turn it against them.
Eventually we can create anti-shill shillbots that herd these shills and force them to engage with nonsensical stuff making them think they are winning, but just wasting their time.
Whether they are in the same physical subnet at the router level or not is probably of minimal interest.
Just the opposite.It is important thing to know.And bellow is why
Well, if you throw darts in the dark and they all hit around the same area then you know there is something there
The question is WHAT IS there. Individual users or shill centralized "army" ? One country or many countries. And so on.
So I am assuming these are IPs that dont give much useful info regarding their owner.
Never assume somebody you don't know did his/her job well. Usually it is not truth,because majority of people is usualy lazy or dumb.Sorry,but it is the truth.
If somebody got only it is "cluster of IPs" then good but it isn't showing big skill or effort. For true server admin it would be routine thing really...
these are IPs that dont give much useful info regarding their owner.
Then no information is too kind of information. We see some post. I would like to see what those admin did really.
Anytime a user gets created on any forum from one of those IPs - boom - tag it and run their posts and activities through some AI and try and learn about their techniques and perhaps turn it against them.
Good idea unless it is TOR.Might be very good,but it is more complicated than you think. But recognising source of shills might be useful too.
Oh man, this is a splendid idea. We could create a small portal to be shared by various site owners who can upload suspected IP subnets for shill activity, and then we can correlate them amongst all the sites and come up with shill scores where we can blacklist certain prevalant subnets that are used primarily for shilling!
That's what I'm thinking...I'm not sure how possible, but if sites like this, Gab and whoever else set up some backend infrastructure to share this kind of thing, it could be the start of something big...
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Thanks, I was too lazy and my eyes too old to manage this :)
mvp
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His last paragraph is exactly what all these “muh free speech” shills do here. And lots of people fall for it.
while there is a very small fraction of a % of posters here who are legit racists, as there are in every single community/sub group, i strongly suspect the majority here are here to paint all trump supporters as racists.
Speaking from the perspective of the spiritual war between good and evil, I'm fairly certain that's the case every single time domestic racism becomes a social justice issue.
I can't speak to "spiritual wars", and not certain how that applies to racism, but i do know two things...
Whenever there's someone trying to discredit trump supporters one of their go-to's is "racism".
And whenever there is a coordinated attack on any part of the .win network from the media, there is a pre-emptive flooding of these racist's spewing garbage.
Now I'm not here to tell people what to think, but at least be honest. If you're a racist and you've got your own reasons then you're free to feel however about whatever.
But the dishonest tactic of coming here and pretending to be what you think we are... just to reinforce your tired weak hollow arguments... is pathetic and sad.
If they have to lie to prove their point then the point sucks and perhaps shills should be spending their time being open minded instead of trying to demonize people that they don't understand.
Exactly.
Same aim as when fake journos ask Trump "What does it say about you that youre so popular with white supremacists and neo-nazis??"
Trying to smear a good man by falsely linking him to bad ones.
Bingo...
Hitler was a vegetarian.
CNN's Acosta: Mr. President, Adolf Hitler used toilet paper. What are you, literally Hitler? Will you disavow toilet paper right now and promise the American people and the Constitution that you will quit wiping your butt like a fascist, you Jew-loving nazi bigot?
Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore, vegetarians are Hitler.
Turn about is fair play.
Goose gandering the sauce.
Heh.
I bet his dog was soooo happy when Hitler came home at night.
Hitlers dog LOVED Hitler.
Clearly all dogs are white supremacist's.
A post like that is just going to get the people to agree out of spite and trolling.
I'm sure it was buried in a thread concerning some woman in a position of power who is abusing her position to do significant damage to the freedoms and liberties of people in this country.
You aren't going to get people defending that statement in a thread like that.
It doesn't mean everyone here hates women, or thinks women should have no leadership positions, it just means some woman in a leadership position did something so shitty that nobody would bother downvoting something disparaging towards her or women like her.
Whatever, ladies. "Placing" anyone "in positions of leadership" is wrong. What is right is allowing leaders to emerge, female or not. It was likely upvoted because it is correct, it's a statement of support for merit based emergence, rather than forced favoritism. This is something of a crux right here.
First problem I see which this situation is you have to disable CSS to get the downvote button to show. Not many people know that, not many at all. Unless I am wrong? Is there a different way to get the downvote button to display without having to disable CSS?
Having only an upvote button, IMO, fosters an echo chamber of reaffirmation.
The "free speech" shills are easy for me at least to spot. they forget there is a vast difference between a right to speak and forcing others to listen to said speech.
GAW refusing to allow doomers to doom here is a case in point. This is "virtual property" and by virtue of it being property, its owners have vastly more authority than the visitor. For instance, if you owned a pub/bar, you wouldn't let a apoc preacher stay in your business if he screams in your customers ears about them all dying tomorrow, and the same principles apply here.
I literally never saw someone use that language until the mods started to cry about it. They suspected it was shill accounts and they were correct, but then why sticky a post about it then? I then called some guy a fag and got banned.
I didn't get banned, but I did rake the mods over the coals. That was not the way to handle it in any form, and it STILL seems to get brought up from time to time.
They were already doing a good job banning and people were already doing a good job reporting, because I never saw it even when I lived religiously in New
Mods = fags
It's not so much that they 'own' anything but they use VPNs and Tor. This isn't all that unusual for site admins at websites that have a tendency to attract trolls. You will get some very serious trolls who go well beyond just doing it for the lulz or trying to be a keyboard warrior and you have to IP ban these people. A small portion of those people go to VPN services and Tor to get around your IP ban. But with such services they can just get new IPs so you have to block the 'exit nodes' for these services.
The downside to this is that it's very time consuming in an area that already consumes a lot of time. And a super super super serious troll can just go from one VPN to another if they want. You're also potentially blocking the IPs of innocent people when you do these wide IP bans.
I've personally come to the conclusion before that it is simply not worth the effort. Eventually the person/people will get bored and move on. That seems to be what this admin has decided as well.
The admin determined that these exit nodes swap around between various IPs within the same subnet. IP subnets are incredibly expensive to own. I am sure the clowns acquired these subnets lang ago.
You have to differentiate between trolling for lolz and trolling to destroy a community. Far too many communities have been destroyed by professional trolling - so you simply cannot say "yeah just ignore them and they will move on". These are psyops. You could be the re-incarnation of Zen and ignore them, but many in the community will let them get under their skins and eventually turn on each other.
Its a real problem.
I think it's probably more likely that the ISP owns the blocks, not the shills. It costs nothing for the attackers on a common ISP to run VPN exit points for each other, coordinate efforts out-of-band and an IP address change is as simple as a reboot of the CPE router.
Two can play the game, though.
(Addressing more the mods here than everyone else reading...) Collect IPs and messages connected to the shill activity and flood the ISP's abuse mailbox, FCC, and potentially the FBI's hate crimes tipline with reports. Maybe someday the federal government will get back to doing its job, but at least create noise in the meantime.
If there's a based State AG somewhere in the jurisdiction (like for instance the shills were posting from an Austin TX ISP), bring state authorities in on it.
This is what the left has been doing for years. My, how the turn tables... something like that.
I think OPs text screenshot is pointing out that the subnet and IPs are the feds
No evidence of that in the post here, and Feds conducting surveillance or IO missions wouldn't use .mil / .gov address space.
Plus... the anon post is almost 3 years old. Antifag and stormfag shills have moved on to other forms of soy-fueled, limp-wristed harassment.
Glowies... well, they can choke on a geriatric cock. They're probably wondering why the same tactics they used 3 years ago don't elicit the same response. Because we're onto them... regardless of IP address.
I always assumed clowns was the C in the “see eye ayyy”
Could be colleges with big IT infrastructure?
I thought of it. Its been ages I been in a college so dont know how it works now, but I would think that their subnets are allocated amongst a whole lot of departments, and each student will be able to switch around in one small area depending on which department / facility they are in.
Also, I wonder if these days they deploy NAT or do they have the luxury of allocating an IP for each machine ?
Not sure but I'm pretty sure the big state colleges likely have a lot of direct addresses. I don't work in college IT, just remember that from before.
You’re right on this. We saw it happen to The Donald win. Enough professional trolls who do their jobs really well, the narrative is shifted “organically” via psyops, and it quickly can become impossible to distinguish between sincere users and trolls.
btw, this is not confined to just forums and boards. This is exactly what they do in society as well - anti-racism for instance - they just need a threshold of activity and then you have enough "outraged warriors" who will take it upon themselves to run with this. This is why Great Awakening is so hard. So many of these toxic people (shills in society) genuinely believe they are doing the right thing because of their arrested development.
First time we saw it clearly was in GamerGate. It was a small community and of limited scale, so it was more easy to see what was going on for those in the periphery.
Do you think this is what happened to The Donald?
Most certainly. Mix that in with admin/moderator interference/infiltration and you can bomb any community. r/TD took much longer than they expected I believe.
traceroute or just ping. Is that so hard to do people ?
How would traceroute / ping help you in this situation ?
Well glad somebody get interested.
certain chunks of IP ok ? So now: "ping -R" or traceroute.
And you get for sure if it is subnetwork or not and server trace to it.Those admin probably even done it,but used it wrong. IPs are necessary.
Not working for Tor users ,but first move in investigation is list of ips,and confirming it is subnetwork right ?
and next move is of course
or
or checking adresses manually - for example by: https://www.iplocation.net/
So simple. But console version could be scripted by shell script not needing any programming skill - it needs only linux or BSD.
SO:
1.ping -R or traceroute. - to get list of IPs (last and 1 before) 2.whois or curl https:ipinfo.io/ - to check where it end
Simple.
Okay, so you want to traceroute back to see if they belong to the same subnet.
Well, if you throw darts in the dark and they all hit around the same area then you know there is something there. If you see the shills keep coming back with different IPs in the same general range, you know they have control of that range. Whether they are in the same physical subnet at the router level or not is probably of minimal interest.
Doing an IP looking would be interesting, but my guess is that any admin worth their salt would have already done it to at least report abuse. So I am assuming these are IPs that dont give much useful info regarding their owner.
It would be far more interesting to maintain a database of these IPs and share it with other patriots running other sites and develop some intel regarding their methods. Anytime a user gets created on any forum from one of those IPs - boom - tag it and run their posts and activities through some AI and try and learn about their techniques and perhaps turn it against them.
Eventually we can create anti-shill shillbots that herd these shills and force them to engage with nonsensical stuff making them think they are winning, but just wasting their time.
Just the opposite.It is important thing to know.And bellow is why
The question is WHAT IS there. Individual users or shill centralized "army" ? One country or many countries. And so on.
Never assume somebody you don't know did his/her job well. Usually it is not truth,because majority of people is usualy lazy or dumb.Sorry,but it is the truth.
If somebody got only it is "cluster of IPs" then good but it isn't showing big skill or effort. For true server admin it would be routine thing really...
Then no information is too kind of information. We see some post. I would like to see what those admin did really.
Good idea unless it is TOR.Might be very good,but it is more complicated than you think. But recognising source of shills might be useful too.
Well I don't know really. Currently I used proxy not tor for some time,there were problems with logging on from tor here.
But I already am prepared for "sad man's" visit anyway. Who wanna live forever ;)
God bless the autists on our side.
Isp fast lanes.
The end is neigh and everyone is circle jerking. God fucking help us
Wish I had that talent! “Trolling is fun!”
It would be cool if you took that data and created an API out of it so those of us coders could use it in our own apps / sites as well!
Oh man, this is a splendid idea. We could create a small portal to be shared by various site owners who can upload suspected IP subnets for shill activity, and then we can correlate them amongst all the sites and come up with shill scores where we can blacklist certain prevalant subnets that are used primarily for shilling!
That's what I'm thinking...I'm not sure how possible, but if sites like this, Gab and whoever else set up some backend infrastructure to share this kind of thing, it could be the start of something big...
Kudos o7. Drive those shills to distraction! ?❤️??