Self defense isn't murder, but what we should do is humble ourselves before the Lord and ask for help and repentance. Never in the history of the world has a leader done that and God not helped the country. Trump did that. Help is coming.
So if somebody breaks into my house and tries to kill my family and I defend us. Then I am not commiting murder and the reality is that I am loving thy neighbor. Same thing with saving the children. If they have really done all these heinous crimes against children in the name of Baal then they aren't the Lord's people. When God flooded the world Noah was the only family of the Lord left. The rest had been breeding with the Nephilim and were children of the Demons.
Don't get me wrong I say the Shema multiple times a day and pray more than once a day. I try the best that I can to be nice to everybody, but there is a line. That line is sacrificing children and eating them in the name of other Gods. Once that line is crossed you are no longer my neighbor you are a Satan.
I can go far more in depth on the history of this if you would like me too. I just didn't know how in depth of an answer you wanted. God bless my fellow patriot.
That Overstock CEO, Patrick Byrne, made a pretty good point about that. He was talking about 2-10% being non negotiable death penalty. The rest are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of paper pushers & various low level corruption enforcement & that a type of apartide should be considered where they need to declare every single criminal thing they have ever committed, and if they are ever caught on a crime they did not write down they are punished & I would suggest with the maximum penalty if they were complicit.
Kid diddlers & sex/human traffickers are part of that non negotiable death sentence.
That said, had read some article on here about forced web cam trafficking & that some (possibly many more than we know) are forced to proform for their owners. Views make money & anyone who has ever checked out porn online, may have/likely has given a view/funds to those traffickers. I certainly hope we don't need to kill all of those people, there would be almost no man left on this earth LoL
That said, I think that Bryne's idea is a solid one in principle. Though ultimately this is about freeing every single slave & saving those children.
There is death of the flesh body and there is death of the soul. Man cannot put a soul to death. There is justice and there is revenge. There is judging fairly and there is judging unfairly. There is murder and there is killing. Our Father has a very high standard for putting to death another person-two to three witnesses.
In all things we are to be fair and just, as our Father is fair and just. I have noticed that Christians-many times- will reserve their compassion for the perpetrator instead of the victim. I am not saying You..saying in general. It is love to give the perpetrator the truth and the victim compassion and aid.
Forgiveness is given by the victim and it NEVER means what happened didn't matter, or that you deserved it, or that our Father doesn't care. It is up to each person, the timing and ability to forgive. That grace comes from God.
Some.sins are unfathomable. God is the heart knower and we cannot judge someone's heart. We can only judge their actions. The second death is death of the soul..and that is up to Him.
The Christian Bible is both the Old and New Testament. The Old Testament clearly gives instances where the death penalty is commanded. The New Testament does not give guidance quite as specific. It does recognize the state has the authority to prosecute and hand down the death penalty in Romans Chapter 13. As for Thou Shalt Not Kill, that is directed at the individual, not the state. Not sure if that helps.
That is exactly how I would answer that question. There was a video series called the “Truth Project” that went into detail about government, church and individual’s biblical roles and they are different from each other. When the church handed their role of caring for the poor to the government things went out of whack. The government does a terrible, ineffective and inefficient job of caring for those in need.
In the New Testament Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies from the Old Testament.
Never has there been, nor will there ever be a more accurate prophet than Jesus Christ. Based on just these accurate prophecies alone one should believe Jesus is not only the Son of God, but that God’s hand was present in the writing of the Bible.
I have understood this to mean under God's judgment. We believe in everlasting life thru Jesus and will all be judged in the end times and to be judged unworthy of eternal life with The Father and The Son. Is equal to death. We may never see the evil of the world judged here for their deeds. But,there will be judgment in the end for them. They should be judged for the deeds they have done here on Earth. And suffer the consequences but their long term judgment will be worse.
For all the non-violent rhetoric within the Q movement, you people sure do thirst for blood. You can't be double-minded and preach both ways.
Here's the long and short of it, concerning your role in being judge, jury and executioner:
You have ZERO authority under God to take someone's life unless they're a direct threat (if a robber breaks into your house, etc.). The Judicial system exists for a reason and you're not part of it for a reason. Judicial system corrupt? All of creation is corrupt, buddy. At least there's a chance at justice.
If it's worth ruining your own life and dying in prison, go for it. Then you'll answer to God for not staying in your own lane. If God wants someone dead, He'll off them. He doesn't need your assistance
The ark was built on over 100 years..I believe 120. There was plenty of time for repentance. The evil was very great and the interbreeding with fallen angels corrupted the natural order of things. Noah's family line..i.e. generations was not corrupted by interbreeding.
Our Father is not about wanton killing of innocent people. Did you know the word "pitch" the ark was pitched..means atonement?! There is so much "living word" we have yet to understand.
It is really difficult to reconcile the harshness of the old testament (at times) to the love and compassion in the New. But He is the same God, so when I come up against that I always know there is a lot of context i am not understanding, and sometimes I need to put those scriptures aside for awhile.
Unfortunately most churches don't teach the old testament. Except for isolated scriptures-when the old testament actually proves the new.
If someone routinely tortures and kills babies as part of his/her religious practice, is it morally wrong to kill that person?
If it is in order to prevent him/her from hurting more innocents, then NO. But should they instead be imprisoned for life with no parole?
If we are truly battling EVIL—people who have sold their souls (via “soul scalping”)—is there justification for purging all that dark energy from our world? Or will mass executions simply contribute to the evil energy on the planet?
even though most translators mask what Jesus said in Mark 9:42... he people who molest children were to be dropped into the deepest part of the ocean with a mill stone around their necks... sounds like a death penalty to me.
To me if you can sell your soul for a bowl of food like Esau think of what some of these people sold their souls for. So some of these people I truly believe has given their souls to Satan for power and wealth and hedonistic pleasures of life. Also, we don’t live in a theocratic government. Maybe if we did we could talk about no using the death penalty but that is our society’s rules so while not perfect it’s the rules we live by and they do. They need to take responsibility for their actions and they knew the rules of the game. That is my logic about dealing with the death penalty. I also believe if a soul can be saved that is on death row God has the power to save that soul. It is also on the human soul on death row to exercise free will to just believe and be saved. So a lot of this has nothing to do with myself. So when things are completely out of my control and I can’t physically do anything about it I pray. So pray for the souls of these wicked people and pray that the souls that can be saved are, and the ones that can’t be are brought to the Lords justice. Hopefully you can pull something out of all that that you find helpful. God bless.
No, you don't give 'treatment' to people raping and murdering children. There is plenty of death and violence in the bible. Turning the other cheek is not always the correct choice.
You don't follow the logic because you're in darkness, knowing nothing as you ought to know about the Lord but having the fucking audacity to think you know better as an indoctrinated shrew.
Children are not protected from evil because children are not innocent. We are all born in sin, being opposed to our creator at birth. God also punishes children because of the sins of the parents. Look at David and Absolom.
FFS, you'd think people that claim to be Christians would know the basic truths of God and how this universe works but I suppose not.
The Holy Bible says that “...the king beareth not the sword in vain.” I take that to mean a king is to execute righteous judgement. If the criminal deserves death for his/her crimes , it is up to the king to follow through.
God commanded Israel to commit genocide against the Canaanites.
Every word of God will be fulfilled.
More importantly, Jesus fid not delete God's laws and punishment. He took it upon himself. All those he claims will be saved from sin. Those he does not will suffer for their own sins. That means the consequences of the law too.
There are some crimes for which there can be no allowance for continuation in society, and some criminals who cannot be rehabilitated.
If there is no path where they can ever be allowed to reenter society what is the point of the rest of society paying to feed them and shelter them and give them a safe long life?
Criminals of this caliber, that are reasonably determined beyond redemption should not be killed out of hatred, or anger, or even justice, but out of compassion for the rest of humanity. Pity these criminals, empathize with their plight of a hard life, but remove them and look forward to a brighter future for all humanity.
It's called the Judgment Seat of Christ. They won't be killed, rather, doomed to eternal damnation in Hell. A fate worse than death.
Any problem with that? Take it up with The Amighty, who in his infinite love, provided the means of escape. That they will refuse the substitutionary Atonement will be entirely on them.
So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. (James 2:12-13)
...emphasis "judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy"
The bible does not say thou shall not take a life. It say thou shall not commit murder.
This is a key difference!
Is killing someone in self defense wrong? Is protecting the life of a child wrong?
No.
Bible newb here. This sounds wonderful. Can you share the verse so I may read it?
TIA.
You get it my fellow patriot. God bless.
Self defense isn't murder, but what we should do is humble ourselves before the Lord and ask for help and repentance. Never in the history of the world has a leader done that and God not helped the country. Trump did that. Help is coming.
So if somebody breaks into my house and tries to kill my family and I defend us. Then I am not commiting murder and the reality is that I am loving thy neighbor. Same thing with saving the children. If they have really done all these heinous crimes against children in the name of Baal then they aren't the Lord's people. When God flooded the world Noah was the only family of the Lord left. The rest had been breeding with the Nephilim and were children of the Demons.
Don't get me wrong I say the Shema multiple times a day and pray more than once a day. I try the best that I can to be nice to everybody, but there is a line. That line is sacrificing children and eating them in the name of other Gods. Once that line is crossed you are no longer my neighbor you are a Satan.
I can go far more in depth on the history of this if you would like me too. I just didn't know how in depth of an answer you wanted. God bless my fellow patriot.
Capital punishment is justice. The Bible explicitly calls for capital punishment for certain crimes, including murder.
That Overstock CEO, Patrick Byrne, made a pretty good point about that. He was talking about 2-10% being non negotiable death penalty. The rest are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of paper pushers & various low level corruption enforcement & that a type of apartide should be considered where they need to declare every single criminal thing they have ever committed, and if they are ever caught on a crime they did not write down they are punished & I would suggest with the maximum penalty if they were complicit.
Kid diddlers & sex/human traffickers are part of that non negotiable death sentence.
That said, had read some article on here about forced web cam trafficking & that some (possibly many more than we know) are forced to proform for their owners. Views make money & anyone who has ever checked out porn online, may have/likely has given a view/funds to those traffickers. I certainly hope we don't need to kill all of those people, there would be almost no man left on this earth LoL
That said, I think that Bryne's idea is a solid one in principle. Though ultimately this is about freeing every single slave & saving those children.
There is death of the flesh body and there is death of the soul. Man cannot put a soul to death. There is justice and there is revenge. There is judging fairly and there is judging unfairly. There is murder and there is killing. Our Father has a very high standard for putting to death another person-two to three witnesses.
In all things we are to be fair and just, as our Father is fair and just. I have noticed that Christians-many times- will reserve their compassion for the perpetrator instead of the victim. I am not saying You..saying in general. It is love to give the perpetrator the truth and the victim compassion and aid.
Forgiveness is given by the victim and it NEVER means what happened didn't matter, or that you deserved it, or that our Father doesn't care. It is up to each person, the timing and ability to forgive. That grace comes from God.
Some.sins are unfathomable. God is the heart knower and we cannot judge someone's heart. We can only judge their actions. The second death is death of the soul..and that is up to Him.
The Christian Bible is both the Old and New Testament. The Old Testament clearly gives instances where the death penalty is commanded. The New Testament does not give guidance quite as specific. It does recognize the state has the authority to prosecute and hand down the death penalty in Romans Chapter 13. As for Thou Shalt Not Kill, that is directed at the individual, not the state. Not sure if that helps.
That is exactly how I would answer that question. There was a video series called the “Truth Project” that went into detail about government, church and individual’s biblical roles and they are different from each other. When the church handed their role of caring for the poor to the government things went out of whack. The government does a terrible, ineffective and inefficient job of caring for those in need.
Whats that expression? Kill them all, let God sort them out.
Let me ask you this: did God Himself destroy Sodom or did Lot and his companions do it?
That settles the matter.
The greatest true story ever told: the Bible.
Even with all the translations...
In the New Testament Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies from the Old Testament.
Never has there been, nor will there ever be a more accurate prophet than Jesus Christ. Based on just these accurate prophecies alone one should believe Jesus is not only the Son of God, but that God’s hand was present in the writing of the Bible.
Don't forget Latin which is static as a dead language.
Sodom wasn't finished. The bible states that the fortunes of Sodom we're restored.
God's judgment is always tempered with a degree of mercy, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
I have understood this to mean under God's judgment. We believe in everlasting life thru Jesus and will all be judged in the end times and to be judged unworthy of eternal life with The Father and The Son. Is equal to death. We may never see the evil of the world judged here for their deeds. But,there will be judgment in the end for them. They should be judged for the deeds they have done here on Earth. And suffer the consequences but their long term judgment will be worse.
Wouldn't you know, it just so happens that the actual people doing the killing ain't Christians.
Funny how that works sometimes ...
For all the non-violent rhetoric within the Q movement, you people sure do thirst for blood. You can't be double-minded and preach both ways.
Here's the long and short of it, concerning your role in being judge, jury and executioner:
You have ZERO authority under God to take someone's life unless they're a direct threat (if a robber breaks into your house, etc.). The Judicial system exists for a reason and you're not part of it for a reason. Judicial system corrupt? All of creation is corrupt, buddy. At least there's a chance at justice.
If it's worth ruining your own life and dying in prison, go for it. Then you'll answer to God for not staying in your own lane. If God wants someone dead, He'll off them. He doesn't need your assistance
Most people here have taken the Red Pill, which is great, but this movement has yet to learn the unadulterated truths of God.
Christianity has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof. They don't realize that religion is a construct of the serpent, ran by the serpent.
They are indoctrinated at the spiritual level and are blind to it.
The ark was built on over 100 years..I believe 120. There was plenty of time for repentance. The evil was very great and the interbreeding with fallen angels corrupted the natural order of things. Noah's family line..i.e. generations was not corrupted by interbreeding.
Our Father is not about wanton killing of innocent people. Did you know the word "pitch" the ark was pitched..means atonement?! There is so much "living word" we have yet to understand.
God is the same yesterday, today and forever
It is really difficult to reconcile the harshness of the old testament (at times) to the love and compassion in the New. But He is the same God, so when I come up against that I always know there is a lot of context i am not understanding, and sometimes I need to put those scriptures aside for awhile.
Unfortunately most churches don't teach the old testament. Except for isolated scriptures-when the old testament actually proves the new.
I wrestle with this myself.
If someone routinely tortures and kills babies as part of his/her religious practice, is it morally wrong to kill that person?
If it is in order to prevent him/her from hurting more innocents, then NO. But should they instead be imprisoned for life with no parole?
If we are truly battling EVIL—people who have sold their souls (via “soul scalping”)—is there justification for purging all that dark energy from our world? Or will mass executions simply contribute to the evil energy on the planet?
I don't have answers. Only questions.
even though most translators mask what Jesus said in Mark 9:42... he people who molest children were to be dropped into the deepest part of the ocean with a mill stone around their necks... sounds like a death penalty to me.
Murder v killing
To me if you can sell your soul for a bowl of food like Esau think of what some of these people sold their souls for. So some of these people I truly believe has given their souls to Satan for power and wealth and hedonistic pleasures of life. Also, we don’t live in a theocratic government. Maybe if we did we could talk about no using the death penalty but that is our society’s rules so while not perfect it’s the rules we live by and they do. They need to take responsibility for their actions and they knew the rules of the game. That is my logic about dealing with the death penalty. I also believe if a soul can be saved that is on death row God has the power to save that soul. It is also on the human soul on death row to exercise free will to just believe and be saved. So a lot of this has nothing to do with myself. So when things are completely out of my control and I can’t physically do anything about it I pray. So pray for the souls of these wicked people and pray that the souls that can be saved are, and the ones that can’t be are brought to the Lords justice. Hopefully you can pull something out of all that that you find helpful. God bless.
No, you don't give 'treatment' to people raping and murdering children. There is plenty of death and violence in the bible. Turning the other cheek is not always the correct choice.
If God wanted them dead, wouldn't they be?
If God wanted the Cabal gone, wouldn't it be? I don't follow your logic. God gave us free will.
Thats where you're wrong. We uave freedom of choice, not free will. We can roll the dice of life but the Lord determines all outcomes.
God always sends evils on his enemies but do you recognize it? No. Read the damn bible for once.
Your free will theory out the window:
https://www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-exposed/diabolical-doctrines/free-will.htm
?
Enjoy the laughter while you can.
I don’t follow that logic either. It would be the same as saying If God wanted all our children protected from evil, wouldn’t they be?
You don't follow the logic because you're in darkness, knowing nothing as you ought to know about the Lord but having the fucking audacity to think you know better as an indoctrinated shrew.
Children are not protected from evil because children are not innocent. We are all born in sin, being opposed to our creator at birth. God also punishes children because of the sins of the parents. Look at David and Absolom.
FFS, you'd think people that claim to be Christians would know the basic truths of God and how this universe works but I suppose not.
The Holy Bible says that “...the king beareth not the sword in vain.” I take that to mean a king is to execute righteous judgement. If the criminal deserves death for his/her crimes , it is up to the king to follow through.
God commanded Israel to commit genocide against the Canaanites.
Every word of God will be fulfilled.
More importantly, Jesus fid not delete God's laws and punishment. He took it upon himself. All those he claims will be saved from sin. Those he does not will suffer for their own sins. That means the consequences of the law too.
I could be wrong, but I think he was talking about no mercy from God.
There are some crimes for which there can be no allowance for continuation in society, and some criminals who cannot be rehabilitated.
If there is no path where they can ever be allowed to reenter society what is the point of the rest of society paying to feed them and shelter them and give them a safe long life?
Criminals of this caliber, that are reasonably determined beyond redemption should not be killed out of hatred, or anger, or even justice, but out of compassion for the rest of humanity. Pity these criminals, empathize with their plight of a hard life, but remove them and look forward to a brighter future for all humanity.
The Lord condones fighting Lucifer's minions to the death. They're called Martyrs for a reason.
It's called the Judgment Seat of Christ. They won't be killed, rather, doomed to eternal damnation in Hell. A fate worse than death.
Any problem with that? Take it up with The Amighty, who in his infinite love, provided the means of escape. That they will refuse the substitutionary Atonement will be entirely on them.
Turn or burn.
...emphasis "judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy"