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posted 5 years ago by Han9000 5 years ago by Han9000 +52 / -0
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– QDay 15 points 5 years ago +15 / -0

You being a VP have a bit of leverage in this situation... Ignore the guidance. If anything comes of it in the future, act like you had to many things going on and didn't catch that it was a requirement due to your already over stressed position.

My 2 cents is that at minimum no one in your organization will comply with submitting documentation proof and if they start following up on it you can buy time while looking for another job or talking about re-location options.

IF the ladder happens, find some excuse to get out of California. Wife, Family, whatever. IF there are corporate positions in other states see if they will transfer you to work remotely or what other options are available.

There are plenty of tech/leadership roles out there and depending on what your background is you can find comparable salaries as what you would make in Cali in other states.

I would personally claim ignorance and ride the ship to determine how your company plans to enforce the non compliance. You are not the only one who will be ignoring this mandate. If the company really wants to enforce it and threaten layoffs then let them fire you and sue them... e.g. Religious exemptions etc.

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– T-Rex32 13 points 5 years ago +13 / -0

Have you had covid already? Prove that fact that natural immunity is better than than the vaccine. Other than that I would say get a fake card..

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– Han9000 [S] 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

No I haven’t… went to target and got the antibody test and it was negative…

Of course they asked me if I had the vaccine or a confirmed case of covid before running the test which probably wouldn’t impact the results of the test at all ?

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– T-Rex32 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

I have my own company. Take your clients and start your own shit!! lol for real and also move out of California...unless you are going to make a stand there

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– Iknowstuff 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

I second, third and fourth this statement. As a business owner sales guys are the key. Fk them.

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– AlecLeamas 13 points 5 years ago +13 / -0

Is the job worth your life?

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– Han9000 [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Wish it was easy to walk away and say obviously not…

I’m fortunate to make really good money and one of the best at my profession, but I have no idea what I would do to earn for my family - 3 kids and a wife that doesn’t work.

Just learned today of the company policy and decision that I have to make.

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– Dardar 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

If it were me I would take a stand and fight. Reject the experimental jab and fight for your job and right over your own body/health. There are resources available. File a lawsuit if you must, but take and keep the moral high ground.

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– Jammyjams 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Tough situation. I would say reject the jab, and start looking for other companies to work for. You sound like a pretty experienced professional, a lot of companies would love to have someone like you.

You just gotta deal with the awkwardness until you find your way out. If they do replace you because of this situation, I think you have legal recourse.

Many are in your situation and sold out because of the social pressure. Which is very real. I sympathize with your situation a lot. Some of my family were nervous but did it because of this very reason.

Only you can make the decision for you and your family. Either decision is understandable. But this is just total fucking horseshit and a violation of our rights, not only legally but also as human beings.

Wish you luck friend.

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– inquimous 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

Go for the long term. If you live to be 80 you will see that 20 years in a very different light, especially if you are healthier than your vaccinated cohort. Reject the jab and use your time to plan a new future. Heck, maybe in a few months people will start to come to their senses and you'll be golden, and have a fall-back plan too.

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– NeverStopBelieving 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

I can help with #3 if you decide ..I’m in San Diego ..I understand how hard it is .. I will not take the jab , it’s a very hard decision especially when mortgage payments etc are reality ! However, when it comes down to it , it’s not a hard decision, you have no decision ..you can’t chose death over life as your kids would rather have you alive and live in a tent that their fat house without you .. their are huge attorneys working with AFLD ..I know Dr Simone Gold personally , she lives out here. They will help you ..and another fren stated ..in a few months I believe the tides are going to change ..the FDA has now been forced to put heart problems on their side affects of this population control poison shot ! Start saving every text , email concerning this and try to record any comments u can , start building your case as you already know you can’t commit suicide for money! Let me know about # 3 I’m here !

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– KarenKarenKaren 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

Refuse - I’ve had sales VPs that I’d go skydiving with if they but suggested - I’ve also had sales VPs that were cowards that’d punch their own grandma for a dollar.

If you refuse you’ll find out which one you’re classed as in the company and either you’ll take the whole sales team with you and that precious subscription stream OR you’ll learn you’re not that valued and use your surely extensive contacts to go elsewhere OR maybe JUST MAYBE you’re the leader that people need and if you stand up to them you’ll win a massive victory against petty tyrants

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– Han9000 [S] 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Thanks for your thoughts - I had your same position until I’m faced with reality of making the decision and it would just be so much easier to just get the vaccine and comply but stands against what I believe.

Also I only know of 1 other person in the ~290 person sales org that hasn’t got the vaccine… I know because everyone else freely shares they were vaccinated… weird phenomena to me

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– KarenKarenKaren 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Easy for me to arm chair quarterback. Maybe find a quack Doktyr that’ll fake your vax slip or grab one off the inter web and fake it yourself <shrug> what are laws to these people?

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– Taffy333 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

You say it would be so much easier to get the injection. If you're one of the unlucky ones and have significant side effects from the injection, how much easier will you think the injection is then?

I've had to make significant life changes on 3 occasions, and I understand your dilemma. Making a choice based on fear of loss (in this case your livelihood) never works out well.

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– jfunction 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

You're clearly talented. Look for another opportuniuty that's worthy of you.

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– lovecymru 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

You can fight for your job and your health by contacting law firms that will defend you against mandatory vaccines. https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/this-law-firm-is-fighting-mandatory-covid-19-vaccines-with-legal-filings-and-warnings/

If you have a month or so, a letter from this law firm might do the trick. You won’t win popularity contests but your 20yr career and health is worth a defense.

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– LoriInNC 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

The problem is as a leader, you can not lead teams that are in person and you’re not

You cannot lead a team if you're dead.

I'm truly sorry that you are in this position.

Are you married? If so, perhaps your spouse is the one who should help you decide since they will be the most impacted by your decision.

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– Han9000 [S] 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Yep - married with 3 kids… she doesn’t believe there are long term health implications but hasn’t got the vaccine herself… however her sisters, and parents all have.

Her initial reaction this morning was quit.. but then settled on - whatever you do I support… except option 3

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– Mr_A 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

You are blessed to have a wife that supports you in this situation.

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– KarenKarenKaren 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Praying for you Brother ?

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– Dardar 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”

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– LoriInNC 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

My husband and I also discussed whether or not he should get the jab. This was early on (Feb/March maybe) before so much information had come out on the vaccine.

On one hand, I had my doubts about the safety of the vaccine. I expressed my concerns to him that I was not sure it was safe. However, on the other hand, if he were to get covid and die from it or become severely disabled, I honestly could not have lived with myself if I had pressured him into not getting the vaccine. I ultimately let him make his own decision. He did get the jab however if he knew then what we know now he probably wouldn't have.

You're younger, my husband is 65. If I were in your wife's shoes, I'd probably prefer you alive and healthy than employed if it were to come to that.

Just sharing one wife's perspective.

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– MaximusDecimus 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I work for a very large tech company in the bay area in a senior position. I will not bend the knee. Courage isn't the absence of fear, but doing what's right in the face of it.

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– slokill 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Option 3 is a no go for many reasons - first of which is threads have been posted here about FBI stating such action would be a crime. Look at the Americas Frontline Dr's. Has some good info for dealing with employers. Remember, things will hopefully be a lot different in the Fall. Who knows, maybe somehow buying some time is an option?

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– Han9000 [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I know ?

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– Dardar 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Or simply identify as vaxxed.

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– Based_in_Space 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Anybody know the actual statute the FBI is gong with? I would like to know because I haven’t found it yet. But I’ll keep looking.

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– Rotor 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

In a statement the FBI categorized the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) as a crime. Citing this as an act that could be "punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws," and added "do not buy fake vaccine cards, do not make your own vaccine cards, and do not fill-in blank vaccination record cards with false information."

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– Sunnywindows 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Imagine getting the jab was not an option, you will solve this problem, a problem based on believing that “authorities” require it, but they don’t have that authority.

I vote do a fake card, it can be done, see a comment below, I do not believe Companies are allowed to access a health care database, if they are doing that, it’s illegal. I suspect a faked card, on paper or fake emailed to yourself will do the trick.

or get even more creative...

Find a doctor or a fake way to certify that you are ALLERGIC to the carrier ingredients in the jab (I’ve heard that some people are allergic, and they have terrible reactions.) Tell the boss that your doctor has given you the “alternative” vaccine, the cheap one they use in South America, and are vaccinated.

This stuff requires some creative bamboozling, but people will WANT to believe you, and WILL believe you if you say it with confidence... you’re a VP, you know.

The world has been bamboozled into thinking you need a jab. You can bamboozle them back.

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– Charlatanism 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Have you considered leaving that God awful state? Finding a job in that field elsewhere or at least similar in those two months?

I wouldn't do it. But I wouldn't be in California.

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– Han9000 [S] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

California based company but I live in Minnesota… have client meetings at HQ in California so this going to be a perpetual issue for me if I stay

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– needorganization 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Hmm. Maybe just be up front with them – your state doesn't require it, you aren't getting it, and if that's what's required for in person meetings, they can come to your state OR you'll go there without the vax.

Of course, have another job in your back pocket. Even if it's a lesser job, the stress/worry/sleep might be just as bad short/mid-term.

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– Charlatanism 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Find a different company? Preferably in a state like Texas or Florida?

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– Anon_1776 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I just lied but I have the ability atm to get fired

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– SwissPatriot 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I am facing the same options. My choice is getting out as soon as possible. I'm looking for a self sufficient and independent little farm and hide as long as its possible. In the long term I believe they will hunt and get us all, and my last decision will be: comply and loose my soul, or fight and loose my life. My decision is allready taken. Amen.

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– T-Rex32 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

fuck yeah I am going to die on that hill with you sir

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– Dardar 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I chose that hill too.

It's about LIBERTY.

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– sleepydude 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Don't get the poison.

And don't telecom.

Just go in person like business as usual.

Don't play their game.

You have people under you who look up to you. If you back down in any way, you will have betrayed them when they needed you most.

Be a sacrifice, if it comes to it, and stand up for the truth. The truth is that the "vaccines" kill, Covid doesn't kill, and people are so afraid they are willing to euthanize themselves if it means a couple months of illusory peace from papa gubment.

You are a role model to many. Don't back down, be a leader. A company that fires leaders is destined to burn. Don't cut your life short to hold up a dying company with obvious mismanagement.

If you are still hesitant, make a fake vaccination card if you have to. If they are gonna break constitutional law and the Nuremberg Code to force people to kill themselves, then you can break the "law" and hand them a fake vaccination card.

Take it from me, they won't look at it. I've been walking around with a vaccination card written in Chinese blatantly on my chest for a month now and practically no one has noticed. You'll be fine.

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– MamaChipmunk 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Reject it and remember to put your life into God's hands. Submit to Him and let Him use you for His purposes in all this chaos. I'm willing to bet much that He'll have a large assignment in place for someone who is already a leader living in the Lion's den.

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– EarnYourVote 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Purposely get Covid and claim antibodies?

I am actually thankful that I recently had it and it wasn't a big deal. We have travel coming up and I don't want to deal with the whole vax passport shit. I know from a client with thousands of employees that they are now allowing people to decline the vax if they show antibodies.

It is a risk but depending on your age and any co-morbidities, an option?

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– BidenIssaPedo 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

At this point there is no amount of money or other incentives that anyone could offer me that would make me get that "vaccine"

Now if your job means that much to you then I would probably 1. Seek a medical exemption from my doctor 2. If healthy find some way to get infected in order to gain natural immunity 3. Get the J&J shot. Now while probably still terrible for your health at least it is not MRNA 4. Stay at your job hoping they're willing to work with you and understand where you're coming from. Also seeking a lawyer for your potential firing due to discrimination and in violation of your civil and human right

God speed Patriot

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– SavedbyJCfromMK 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I'm not in your shoes, no big corporate issues. But I feel a similiar strain.

My friends, family, business and social acquaintances are all vaxed. My being in the control group is looking less amusing. "You got to get with the program" an important contact told me last time we met. I need his support to complete my projects.

We all are living in mortal bodies with an immortal soul. If you choose to support your family by keeping your job, I think you will receive Christs blessings as well.

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– Mr_A 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I believe your friends will move on. It will be nothing more than a passing eccentricity. You might help them to move on by explaining that you figure you've already been exposed (because the whole world has been exposed in some form), giving them a psychological pretext to get over the dissonance. Prayers: this sort of alienation from friends and family is a horrible effect of the whole plandemic.

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– angrysnowpede 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Another possible out (research diligently, I copied this post months ago from somewhere and didn't look into it much myself):

These mRNA vaccines can be destroyed by the immune system before they screw up a person's genetics. You have to take butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) around 1 to 1.5 grams daily for a week before injection, then continue for another week to be safe. They are either using lipids to coat the mRNA or using polyethylene glycol and BHT will readily bind to both. Then the macrophages see it as foreign, ingest it and destroy it with hydrolytic enzymes. Spread this to as many as people as possible. It will PISS off the elite for sure. BHT is used off label to treat herpes a lipid coated virus. The BHT is not binding to the mRNA , but its coating, then it gets trapped. When thigs are too small the immune cells can not see the virus and thus it wrecks havoc and evades the immune system. So this binds to it and prevents this. Too much BHT does have some side effects, like over 1.5 grams daily, but for young without bleeding issues is not a problem. Maybe some dizziness but passes. It is an antioxidant on steroids too for lipids. The reason you take a week before is to build up maximum plasma levels, so when the vaccine is injected it gets bound up immediately. The FDA approves it for cereal, but not for stopping mRNA DNA reprogramming. Don't think that proteins made from mRNA can reprogram the DNA? You are so wrong and repeating mainstream media propaganda! See this as one of many many examples in genetic research. https://www.reprocell.com/rna-reprogramming-c3/sox2-mrna-human-p255 People like David Sinclair salivate at how powerful this can be in reversing aging, they hope anyways, lol!

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– CherokeePede 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Go work for a head hunter, they wont give 3 shits to the wind about a vax.

Start looking for another company to move to in Florida/Texas/Ohio where you will be less likely to be forced into a vax. Refuse at work quietly while looking for other opportunities to line up. Then leave Commiefornia

Present them with the evidence on the risks of the vax and see if they are willing to risk losing a VP over it. I'd bet not. Particularly if you are highly effective.

Check places like DataBricks with tieins with Big Data and looking to grow and leave your company anyways. Better to work where you can agree with the politics rather than swallow the blue pill.

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– NorthusMaximus 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Think about the example you set for your family. It's a lot of responsibility. Because my daughter in law got the vacc, her 18 yr old daughter got it. To me this is completely sickening. Because my grandson is married to a western med-worshipping nurse, who "trusts the science" and got the vacc, he got it too. After already "having covid twice". Will they put the poison in my little grandson? I don't trust them not too. It's all a horror. So... what would you want your loved ones to do?

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– zharklm 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Tough call. To help your decision you should know that I have been full remote for about a year and a half. Senior leader (that's a leader of leaders) in tech company, before this was a cloud engineer so was always pushing for full remote and unstructured hours. Helped guide my people through both full remote change and agile ways of working change (same principles, funny enough) and now have the most resilient people under me as a result. My boss has greenlit my moving even more remote than I am now (from edge of range to a city center to where ever I want in the state). Many big players have for a long time gone full remote, so there is a competitive advantage to supporting it. Embrace the remote working as emerging tech and build processes to support it and find savings and efficiencies for the business, that'll help you fly under the radar until the impacts of this jab start to take hold and people like us will be dodging headhunters like Elvis dodging lady garments.

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– huntfishpede 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

No brainer to go with #3, God help you if it comes to the other two only.

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– Pbman 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Get the jab at walgreens, offer 500-1000 dollars to not stick you and give you the card.

In cash.

If they refuse, walk out and go to the next place.

Someone will, take your money.

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– Lapstrake 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I don't think the vaccine is a death sentence. Basically every single one of my family and friends have gotten it and nobody is dropping dead yet.

That said, I think the vaccines are dangerous and for 90% of Americans, the vaccine is much more dangerous than the Wuhan Virus.

However, we take on risks that are out of out control all the time. Everytime you drive. Everytime you fly, you are taking a risk of death that you cannot control.

So I don't think it is a no-brainer that you should refuse the vaccine.

There is no way the elite are going to kill 70% of the population, killing only the sheep and leaving all the wolves who are all going to be extremely pissed off.

Wolves that know exactly who pushed this on us. Wolve that have lost everybody they love. Yeah, not a good move.

So it is your decision of risk vs. reward. None of us can make that decision for you or give you the answer.

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– makemyday007 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Could you be ALLERGIC… to the stuff in those vaccines??? Go get a doctors note to explain you can’t take it due to your allergies.

An antibody test will only show positive if you had Covid less than 2 months ago. But if you REMEMBER being sick with all the symptoms of Covid like the loss of smell more than 2 months ago then go get a note saying you had it already.

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