Scroll down a few pages to results and there's a line that says they believe only 1% of cases are reported.
Furthermore, the red pill I give normies is I ask them for what data stream is being used to determine safety over time of the vaccines. Either they say VAERS or I tell them. I also point that Healthcare providers are legally required to report adverse events to VAERS. They look at go *ackshually, here's a disclaimer from the CDC that VAERS is self reported and unverified! Deboooonked." So that begs the question... what continued tracking with follow up is the CDC doing to determine vaccine safety? The CDC says it's VAERS so if you're saying that's not good enough, then we have NO DATA monitoring safety.
Clinically trained reviewers have undertaken a detailed analysis of a sample of the early deaths reported in VAERS (250 out of the 1644 deaths recorded up to April 2021). The focus is on the extent to which the reports enable us to understand whether the vaccine genuinely caused or contributed to the deaths. Contrary to claims that most of these reports are made by lay-people and are hence clinically unreliable, we identified health service employees as the reporter in at least 67%. The sample contains only people vaccinated early in the programme, and hence is made up primarily of those who are elderly or with significant health conditions. Despite this, there were only 14% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be ruled out as a contributing factor in their death.
I do think the reporting percentage is dramatically higher for COVID-19. This is data on adults with an EUA, so more doctors are willing to believe there is a correlation.
Fair point. I'm going off of the all locations option in VAERS which may include us territory. However it doesn't really matter at this point. Plain and simple its a death shot
Most of the people in my family got the shots and no one has had adverse affects (phew!) Some did get sick immediately after so I’m pretty sure they did not get the saline. Praying that I still have family when this is done...
Same. My family's all in healthcare. All got the vaccine early. 1 Pfizer, 2 J&J, 1 I'm not sure. No adverse effects whatsoever. Extended family has also had the shots with no adverse effects.
I know some people have horror stories. My family's been lucky not to have.
Generally when I talk to random people in the public who had it, they say they've had no problems either.
So, I'm inclined to think there are rare but serious effects. How rare? That, I honestly can't say without data, and I'm not inclined to trust the FDA or CDC or any pharma company to interpret the data for me.
Exact opposite for me. I've probably talked to 100+ people - maybe 3 said they felt a little under the weather for a day or two. The rest said they were just fine (but some of them could have been lying of course).
And even if the absurdly high claims of 70% vax rates are correct, 70% of adults in the US is 180 million people. 67 million adverse effects from 180 million people is a 1:3 chance of a serious negative health effect.
1.45 million deaths from 180 million people is a 1:100ish death rate, so far. With 67 million more adverse effects waiting to play out, there's a significant chance that number will rise, quickly. Either way, it's already far above the 1:1000 rate of the virus itself for a healthy adult.
To insist on a mandate with these numbers is outrightly wrong. Even allowing this product to continue sales in the US is morally questionable, but people are the keepers of their own health and should be allowed to make informed decisions about their own safety.
So the discussion should really be around censorship of information.
At the very least VAERS is under-reported by 90%. The number they "officially" release is about 10% of what the actual number is. So if it says there's been 16,000 deaths, it's probably closer to 160,000, which seems to line up with what we've been seeing.
Dr. Peter McCullough was just saying that he has a very difficult time getting a connection when he wants to report or update a report on a patient. He's not the only MD to say this.
If I'm honest 100 is far too high, it could be roughly correct, but I doubt it. It makes the person who said that lose credibility with me unless I see how they specifically arise to that number other than the general line: "Only 1% are actually reported". That would mean 1.4 million people have already died from the vaxx since early December.
3-10x is my guess for deaths, and from previous data I extrapolated around 5x of what it was back in June, and I'm going to do it again for September numbers. (My numbers from June assumes there are no cases from Dec-Feb that were NOT included, so it's likely higher than 5x.) But at a bare minimum, there is an extremely good argument for a 3-10x death rate, that is quite hard to refute.
Yes, I'm getting really tired of everyone gushing about how pro vax they are before they say anything about this one. Until antivaxxer stops being a pejorative and everyone actually looks into the giant scam of vaccination in general, we're never going to get through this.
Anti vaxxers were right all along. Any mandated vax is evil. Full stop.
Karl Denniger did an article on the employment data figures and noticed that since the vaccines were introduced, the number of adults available for employment has fell by approximately one million. The only way you disappear from the 'available for employment' figures is if you die, you suffer a permanent debilitating injury, or you go to prison.
Given that 14,000 deaths have been reported to VAERS, this would suggest that 100X deaths is indeed an overestimation. Going from the 'available for employment' figures, the vaccine deaths and vaccine permanent injuries combined total approximately one million. Based on the ratio of deaths to permanent injuries, your figure of 3-10X therefore seems like a solid guess.
Huh... it works now. I was trying to show it on my phone to someone yesterday and I was just getting the other layout even when directly going to covid-data,
Had them come in to look on my computer since it was open in a tab. Showed what I wanted to show and refreshed the page, and it looked just like my phone.
Checked earlier today, same. Clicked your link. Back to normal. Went manually.. normal... something wonky happened with TWO of my devices yesterday? Pretty sure they changed it. If it's changed back now, good.
She said there should be mandates for some groups. Commie. Yeah, it's good that she's coming out about the lies, but why require any mandates? They are not CONSTITUTIONAL.
Thats impossible that means that anywhere from 600,000 to 1,500,000 people are dead from the vaccine. Wouldnt this have been noticed?? Thats like 1 in every 300 people in the US
Anecdotally, I have never had so many notices of people passing away as I have this year. They just keep coming. Most of the time, it was an "unexpected illness" or "after a brief illness." That isn't scientific of course. And maybe I am more hypersensitive to it because of what's going on.
To remove those assumptions and uncertainties, it is vital that we get actual reporting. I shared a post 6 days ago about a Nurse blowing the whistle on the Delta narrative. She is clear that doctors DO NOT allow family members of the deceased to question whether it was "vaccine" related or not. If the doctors won't even let families discuss it, then I highly doubt they are reporting anything at all to VAERS.
If you search for "whistleblower" on the search community box you will see other posts as well. It seems to me that there is very much a concerted effort by our hospitals and healthcare systems to cover everything up. I only expect these reports to increase.
I've been trying to get people to see the fact that 99.9% of people don't know anyone who's been sick with anything in the last year and a half. No one has seen video of hospital ER's overflowing with people. We haven't even seen videos of people near death or with very bad symptoms from the Vid.
If people are willing to accept that there's a deadly pandemic worthy of shutting down economies and mandatory vaccines without seeing any proof of it in their own lives, I'm sure things like a million people dying from the Vaxx would fly right past them without noticing as well.
This would match what Karl Denniger found from the employment data figures.
Since the vaccines were introduced, the number of adults available for employment has fell by approximately one million. The only way you disappear from the 'available for employment' figures is if you die, you suffer a permanent debilitating injury, or you go to prison.
I personally know or have heard of many vaxxed people getting adverse side affects. Most, I don't think, have been attributed to the vax. But, they suddenly have the issues after taking them.
All heart/blood related. Those passing out folks, I'm assuming, are also blood/heart related?
Either way, I'll never get that crap in my body nor will anyone in my family.
I have made 4 posts on our forum about various topics and none of them seem to show to anyone, and all automatically get 1 upvote. But I never get any comments or other up/down votes. But yet I can go to my history and see that they exist. Does anyone know why?
I have not heard one reporter ask Fauci, Biden or any of the doctors they trot out, “why is no one addressing the deaths and adverse reactions reported in VAERS”? These doctors and scientists are responsible for genocide.
Off by a factor of 100 would mean instead of 15k in a year, it would be 1.5 million. ~200 million in the US have been vaccinated, so a ~0.75% adverse reaction rate, rather than the absurd 0.0075% rate that was nonsensical.
I hate that journalists are so lazy that can't link to the study...
2009 Harvard study: https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-support-public-health-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system
Download the pdf report.
Scroll down a few pages to results and there's a line that says they believe only 1% of cases are reported.
Furthermore, the red pill I give normies is I ask them for what data stream is being used to determine safety over time of the vaccines. Either they say VAERS or I tell them. I also point that Healthcare providers are legally required to report adverse events to VAERS. They look at go *ackshually, here's a disclaimer from the CDC that VAERS is self reported and unverified! Deboooonked." So that begs the question... what continued tracking with follow up is the CDC doing to determine vaccine safety? The CDC says it's VAERS so if you're saying that's not good enough, then we have NO DATA monitoring safety.
Great follow up post realAnon!👈🏻 Thanks for the additional link and context!
You get a cat for that!
u/#catdance
No prob! Great post! Glad healthcare workers know this info too and are speaking up!
Yep it’s more like %0.01 reported.
Almost every MD I talk to doesn’t even know what VAERS is despite there being a wall mounted mention of it.
This is another good study to look at
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis
Clinically trained reviewers have undertaken a detailed analysis of a sample of the early deaths reported in VAERS (250 out of the 1644 deaths recorded up to April 2021). The focus is on the extent to which the reports enable us to understand whether the vaccine genuinely caused or contributed to the deaths. Contrary to claims that most of these reports are made by lay-people and are hence clinically unreliable, we identified health service employees as the reporter in at least 67%. The sample contains only people vaccinated early in the programme, and hence is made up primarily of those who are elderly or with significant health conditions. Despite this, there were only 14% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be ruled out as a contributing factor in their death.
Translation:
Despite this, there were 86% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be a contributing factor in their death.
Excellent points realAnon - causing more CogDis at every turn...
I would believe 5x or 10x. 1 percent is probably too low. But it's still totally fucked
Yeah I would wager deaths get reported more than other things.
The doctors report it only if they run their own practice.
Otherwise they report it to administrators who don’t input to VEARS as they don’t want bad publicity
If there are 100 times as many deaths by clot shot, then I think we would start to see that vital statistics death rate start to nudge up.
Yes, 600k deaths usually gets noticed
I believe 1% for childhood vaccines.
I do think the reporting percentage is dramatically higher for COVID-19. This is data on adults with an EUA, so more doctors are willing to believe there is a correlation.
GREAT QUESTION! What database are they using AND let’s see it so we all feel good about the vaxx!
Answer: it's VAERS. And no they are not following up.
If this is true it means 1.45 million people have died world wide and 67 million had adverse reactions.
Not world wide - VAERS is primarily US only, with only a smattering of reports from other countries.
Fair point. I'm going off of the all locations option in VAERS which may include us territory. However it doesn't really matter at this point. Plain and simple its a death shot
For some, yes indeed. I continue to hold out hope that 95%+ got saline/placebo, unbeknownst to them of course.
Most of the people in my family got the shots and no one has had adverse affects (phew!) Some did get sick immediately after so I’m pretty sure they did not get the saline. Praying that I still have family when this is done...
Same. My family's all in healthcare. All got the vaccine early. 1 Pfizer, 2 J&J, 1 I'm not sure. No adverse effects whatsoever. Extended family has also had the shots with no adverse effects.
I know some people have horror stories. My family's been lucky not to have.
Generally when I talk to random people in the public who had it, they say they've had no problems either.
So, I'm inclined to think there are rare but serious effects. How rare? That, I honestly can't say without data, and I'm not inclined to trust the FDA or CDC or any pharma company to interpret the data for me.
Exact opposite for me. I've probably talked to 100+ people - maybe 3 said they felt a little under the weather for a day or two. The rest said they were just fine (but some of them could have been lying of course).
This has been our experience with family, co-workers, and friends.
And even if the absurdly high claims of 70% vax rates are correct, 70% of adults in the US is 180 million people. 67 million adverse effects from 180 million people is a 1:3 chance of a serious negative health effect.
1.45 million deaths from 180 million people is a 1:100ish death rate, so far. With 67 million more adverse effects waiting to play out, there's a significant chance that number will rise, quickly. Either way, it's already far above the 1:1000 rate of the virus itself for a healthy adult.
To insist on a mandate with these numbers is outrightly wrong. Even allowing this product to continue sales in the US is morally questionable, but people are the keepers of their own health and should be allowed to make informed decisions about their own safety.
So the discussion should really be around censorship of information.
I suspect the actual vax rate is closer to 40%. Just my opinion.
I think you're much closer to the truth.
God protect her and her family.
At the very least VAERS is under-reported by 90%. The number they "officially" release is about 10% of what the actual number is. So if it says there's been 16,000 deaths, it's probably closer to 160,000, which seems to line up with what we've been seeing.
Well, Gee that's a shock..."They" will be held accountable...GOD sees all....MF's....
Agreed--the evil ones must be held accountable for what they have done.
Dr. Peter McCullough was just saying that he has a very difficult time getting a connection when he wants to report or update a report on a patient. He's not the only MD to say this.
If I'm honest 100 is far too high, it could be roughly correct, but I doubt it. It makes the person who said that lose credibility with me unless I see how they specifically arise to that number other than the general line: "Only 1% are actually reported". That would mean 1.4 million people have already died from the vaxx since early December.
3-10x is my guess for deaths, and from previous data I extrapolated around 5x of what it was back in June, and I'm going to do it again for September numbers. (My numbers from June assumes there are no cases from Dec-Feb that were NOT included, so it's likely higher than 5x.) But at a bare minimum, there is an extremely good argument for a 3-10x death rate, that is quite hard to refute.
This study is for all vaccines, not just COVID.
But that does mean everyone saying “I won’t take this one but traditional vaccines are fine” need to stop and do some investigating.
Yes, I'm getting really tired of everyone gushing about how pro vax they are before they say anything about this one. Until antivaxxer stops being a pejorative and everyone actually looks into the giant scam of vaccination in general, we're never going to get through this.
Anti vaxxers were right all along. Any mandated vax is evil. Full stop.
100x is total reports vs total adverse reactions, according to CDC, not deaths
Karl Denniger did an article on the employment data figures and noticed that since the vaccines were introduced, the number of adults available for employment has fell by approximately one million. The only way you disappear from the 'available for employment' figures is if you die, you suffer a permanent debilitating injury, or you go to prison.
Given that 14,000 deaths have been reported to VAERS, this would suggest that 100X deaths is indeed an overestimation. Going from the 'available for employment' figures, the vaccine deaths and vaccine permanent injuries combined total approximately one million. Based on the ratio of deaths to permanent injuries, your figure of 3-10X therefore seems like a solid guess.
What happened to the openVAERS website? They changed the format and it's not very useful anymore.
Gotta go to the covid-data
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
Holy shit! Go to the link and scroll down to deaths reported by year. HUGE spike.
Huh... it works now. I was trying to show it on my phone to someone yesterday and I was just getting the other layout even when directly going to covid-data,
Had them come in to look on my computer since it was open in a tab. Showed what I wanted to show and refreshed the page, and it looked just like my phone.
Checked earlier today, same. Clicked your link. Back to normal. Went manually.. normal... something wonky happened with TWO of my devices yesterday? Pretty sure they changed it. If it's changed back now, good.
She said there should be mandates for some groups. Commie. Yeah, it's good that she's coming out about the lies, but why require any mandates? They are not CONSTITUTIONAL.
Thats impossible that means that anywhere from 600,000 to 1,500,000 people are dead from the vaccine. Wouldnt this have been noticed?? Thats like 1 in every 300 people in the US
Anecdotally, I have never had so many notices of people passing away as I have this year. They just keep coming. Most of the time, it was an "unexpected illness" or "after a brief illness." That isn't scientific of course. And maybe I am more hypersensitive to it because of what's going on.
To remove those assumptions and uncertainties, it is vital that we get actual reporting. I shared a post 6 days ago about a Nurse blowing the whistle on the Delta narrative. She is clear that doctors DO NOT allow family members of the deceased to question whether it was "vaccine" related or not. If the doctors won't even let families discuss it, then I highly doubt they are reporting anything at all to VAERS.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12kFrntzqo/-whistleblower-nurse-destroys-de/c/
If you search for "whistleblower" on the search community box you will see other posts as well. It seems to me that there is very much a concerted effort by our hospitals and healthcare systems to cover everything up. I only expect these reports to increase.
Not if you can blame it on a heart attack, stroke or other "short illness".
As an aside, it HAS been noticed. Just not pinned on the "vaxx".
Good thinking to tackle it this way!
I've been trying to get people to see the fact that 99.9% of people don't know anyone who's been sick with anything in the last year and a half. No one has seen video of hospital ER's overflowing with people. We haven't even seen videos of people near death or with very bad symptoms from the Vid.
If people are willing to accept that there's a deadly pandemic worthy of shutting down economies and mandatory vaccines without seeing any proof of it in their own lives, I'm sure things like a million people dying from the Vaxx would fly right past them without noticing as well.
This would match what Karl Denniger found from the employment data figures.
Since the vaccines were introduced, the number of adults available for employment has fell by approximately one million. The only way you disappear from the 'available for employment' figures is if you die, you suffer a permanent debilitating injury, or you go to prison.
He is brilliant, that one. I hate his anger . I get it, but I have a hard time reading much of his stuff.
So, it's 100% inaccurate? Holy Crappy Tracking System, Batman!!! That's yuuuuge!!!!
Who the fuck do these people think they are to mandate anything to anyone? Someone needs to set them straight.
Uhm... that’s my doctor and I have an appointment next Thursday so I truly hope Dr Mollie stays safe.
https://openvaers.com/covid-data Here’s the data as of 9/3/21. They can’t even keep this up to date so under reporting is a definite.
Thanks Striker1!👈🏻
I am going to make an image post specifically on the VAERS death reporting by year. It's to important not to highlight.
It is important! It's astounding that there is such a significant jump within one year. That's eye-popping
Please watch this video that proves the covered up deaths. They took case numbers of the dead and removed them and replaced others with living people.
I confirmed by looking up the people he look up in the video and it is true.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/q0uXNYmEqYp6/
These doctors may be scared but they ain't blind it's passed time to put job and feelings aside.
I personally know or have heard of many vaxxed people getting adverse side affects. Most, I don't think, have been attributed to the vax. But, they suddenly have the issues after taking them.
All heart/blood related. Those passing out folks, I'm assuming, are also blood/heart related?
Either way, I'll never get that crap in my body nor will anyone in my family.
3 friend's all now have heart issues, all got told that it was due to anxiety!
I have made 4 posts on our forum about various topics and none of them seem to show to anyone, and all automatically get 1 upvote. But I never get any comments or other up/down votes. But yet I can go to my history and see that they exist. Does anyone know why?
Yet, I can see this automatically pops up. But for some reason my posts never seem to be anywhere in the list of posts.
I too had comments disapear and not real controversal topics
I have not heard one reporter ask Fauci, Biden or any of the doctors they trot out, “why is no one addressing the deaths and adverse reactions reported in VAERS”? These doctors and scientists are responsible for genocide.
Isn't VAERS self reported? How can you have 100% if people have to report it themselves?
CLAIM WHAT YOU CAN DEFEND
Off by a factor of 100 would mean instead of 15k in a year, it would be 1.5 million. ~200 million in the US have been vaccinated, so a ~0.75% adverse reaction rate, rather than the absurd 0.0075% rate that was nonsensical.