When people who don’t like, read, or conform to the Bible tell you what Jesus was like:
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Matthew 5 KJV
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
I was waiting and hoping for your response.
Well done.
Jinx, Pinch, poke, you owe me a whiskey
Off topic but whered you get your username from
A nod to Horace & Wilfred Owen
Ohh. The Pro Patria thing reminded me of a military regiment motto wondered if you were a canadian vet
Didn't he specifically tell Magdalene go and sin no more? Also, I'm pretty sure the Book of Revelation is pretty much the manifest destruction of mankind's sin finally pissing God off one too many times without an inkling of repentance.
He did say this to a variety of people, including a man He healed who was crippled, and a woman caught in adultery (in John) after He told her He would not her He would not condemn her.
A simple Google search would have told you that it was not Magdalene.
John.8
[10].....Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? [11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Yeah he also said “who is left to accuse you?” And then he said “neither do i accuse you”. So theres an obvious balance of Jesus various ways of dealing with different situations. But the Bible does say Jesus’ heart (or his core being) is “gentle and humble“ Matt 11:29. Thats not to say he isnt also other things at other times but it is his default setting if you will
"Kill" meant murder at the time the KJV was translated.
"Smite" and "slay" is lawful and/or accidental killing, and can mean anything from "justifiable homicide" to "involuntary manslaughter", depending on context.
Here's a link to Numbers 35, which lays down the rules regarding "manslayers" and "murderers."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+35&version=KJV
It breaks down the differences between involuntary manslaughter and death, and even discusses what we would refer to as premeditated first degree murder-
20 But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;
If the manslayer claims he killed someone unintentionally, he had to flee to one of six cities as outlined in the above chapter until he was either tried and convicted of his crimes (which required 2 or more witnesses) or until the current high priest died, at which point he was free to return to his native city.
Was expecting some haggling.
Bloody jailers pet you are.
Slay as well can in Hebrew mean “take an inheritance with”
Not everyone one finds Cain can kill him he could only die once but everyone who find Cain can take an inheritance with him. To find: to do the same
Right on. His message everywhere he went was, "Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. Gee, sounds like he is talking about sin now doesn't it?
No one ever said "repent of your attitude." It's always "repent of your sins."
This is not an either / or but a both / and. Notshirley78 is right that it involves a change of attitude- but that change also includes a change of action. Repentance includes both changing our attitude about sin - to agree with God about it's deadly nature, and change of action- Go and sin no more.
change your Attitude is the meaning of repent. If you change your Attitude to what you do..like stealing from someone then you won't do it again and you will feel happy ..no longer weighed down by fear of being found out or punished etc. So no longer missing the mark of being happy. It's a very simple thing...people dragging in hell etc ..adding fear ignorance and stupidity to thecmix is unnecessary.
Your advice is correct only to those who "despise wisdom," and, "Hate knowledge."
Prov.1
repent would mean to change your thinking to his truth and be sorry you missed the mark of so doing
"Woodstock Theology" continues and is promoted by demons. What is beautiful is to see many of the youth reject it. Wake up hippies and "sin NO MORE"*
*Jesus Christ
Besides, you only live once!!
You know what- your comment just clicked something in my brain. YOLO. That’s the phrase used literally everywhere. In songs, on social media. It gets ingrained into your head. Then you go out with your friends, and the opportunity to do something immoral comes up, and you hesitate for a minute bc your conscience kicks in, and you ask your friends or yourself if this bad action is something you should do- and what is their response? They tell you “YOLO.” You tell yourself “YOLO.” And do the bad thing bc “you only live once.” But that’s not true. You don’t only live once. You have this life and then an afterlife- so you live twice. The yolo phrase insidiously convinces ppl to sin and at the same time subconsciously tells them that they don’t need to worry about going to hell. With it being used in so many songs, it’s stuck into your brain on a deep level (for ppl who listen to that kind of music) take this music video for example that has the type of artists that are popular enough to influence a lot of young ppl https://youtu.be/z5Otla5157c
John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
There is only one life; there is the exchange of bodies from that which is terrestrial to that which is celestial.
1 Corinthians 15:40 (KJV) [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
Last I checked only god will judge in the end. If your vaxxed or nonvaxxed I dont think that is a way to determine if your going to hell.
Also remember people can change and turnaround and be saved. That's why I pray that our enemies will turn to Christ.
It's not judging if you just giving someone a heads-up
I will be remembering this. Love the sinner, not the sin.
And yet being a smug, self righteous, holier than thou asshole always seems to send the wrong message... I wonder why...
Because the only one who can honestly claim self- righteousness came humbly, and paid off the debt for everyone else. He also called out the ones who claimed self - righteousness when they broke God's law, and substituted their own for it.
No one but He should even come close to claiming self- righteousness.
Because they aren't read to hear the truth. Given events these days that shouldn't be that hard to believe.
It’s not judging if you are only judging the act…there are those who judge others as a good person or bad person but they are only allowed to judge the action not the person! Many fall victim to Satan lies which causes division among the brethren
Good point. Yep true.
Distorting the word is another issue too. Alot of people cherry pick a quote in a passage but dont read the whole scripture.
Agreed
As we should: If Paul, who once referred to himself as the chief of sinners could be brought in by grace, anyone who sincerely believed in what they were doing can. (even if their actions were thoroughly mixed up).
The only unforgivable sin is to say Jesus does his work through satan! The only ONE unforgivable
Shouldn't be saying anything about going to hell or not? While it's true that God is the judge, it is definitely a Christian's responsibility to warn about hell while spreading the Gospel. We'd be remiss if we didn't mention it on occasion. I do agree that it's not proper to try to scare someone into salvation but hell is real and, unfortunately, it's full of lost souls. People should be told about it. Jesus mentions hell more than anyone else in the Bible if I'm not mistaken.
I was referring to saying your going to hell based on vaxxed or unvaxxed status.
I agree with what you are saying though.
Ah...I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. You're right about praying for all of these "leaders" to find Jesus. That would be a great victory!
Kumbaya means "come by here," not "stay with us."
Grifter/Drifter Christianity...
Jesus was a Jew who ate with sinners and called out the establishment religion with vitriol and did not mince words. He also said to sell all your possessions, pick up your cross and follow Him.
No, he was not a total hippie like some people see, but He wasn't a Republican voting gun toting white man either. Nor did He seem at all interested or concerned with the acquisition of personal wealth. I mean He even instructed people to pay their taxes...
I'm not going to pretend to know the Will of God, however the original post isn't wrong. You should never use fear to teach the love of God.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom read Proverbs.
Jesus was born an earthly Jew, God came in the flesh to straighten out the house of Israel! Jesus was raised up neither Jew nor Gentile but one new man and the first fruit of his kind.
people forget Jesus' very tough statements. however, in His personal ministry to individuals he was not harsh and exacting judgement; it was in His teachings and public ministry -- to groups, that he was crystal clear about evil, sin, iniquity. Jesus masterfully ministered to respect freewill -- God is not coercive.
He also presented reasons they should turn from sin while in their service.
You’re kidding, right?
"Go and sin no more." He wasn't confirming her in her vice when he got the mob off her; he saved her so she would amend her ways. What about the whip He braided Himself in order to drive the money changers from the temple? The tables he flipped? The Pharisees He continually admonished? ___
"You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?" [Matthew 23:33] ___
___But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." [Matthew 5:22]
_____Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves." [Matthew 23:15]
____And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out. It is better for thee with one eye to enter into the kingdom of God, than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire:" [Mark 9:46]
____Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat." [Matthew 7:13]
____"He said therefore to the multitudes that went forth to be baptized by him: Ye offspring of vipers, who hath shewed you to flee from the wrath to come?" [Luke 3:7]
____And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world... [41] Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. [Matthew 25]
_____And Scripture continues on: "Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31]foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them." -Romans 1
You and I are instructed to not judge. That's not the same as saying no one will be judged.
We are instructed not to judge someone's "heart" or their motives but we are certainly instructed to judge their actions and hold them accountable for them. Only God can judge their heart.
☝️This!
“DO NOT JUDGE, etc...” means “Don’t be a hypocrite”. This is the most twisted and taken out of context verse in the whole bible.
We aren’t permitted to judge another’s soul, that belong to God. But of course we’re to judge another’s actions, admonish one another in charitable, fraternal correction; even our court systems are based on judgment of another’s actions: ___ Let the word of Christ dwell in you abundantly, in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing in grace in your hearts to God. [Colossians 3:16]
Literally no one thinks like that.
You are allowed to judge others but you must first remove the beam from your own eye. And then you must be fair, kind and correcting with your judgement. Many of the verses were spoken to the Scribes and Pharisees, who were indulging in their authority and placing undo burdens on the people.
Whatever. I’ll go with what the Church says it means rather than to soothe my itching ears.
No we shouldn't judge the disposition of someone's soul.
However some confuse calling someone from sin with judgement.
St. James says that correcting a sinner has many spiritual benefits, not only for the sinner, but also for us:
James 5:20: let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
And whether we want to admit it or not, we are indeed our brother's keeper:
EZEKIEL 3
[18] If, when I say to the wicked, Thou shalt surely die: thou declare it not to him, nor speak to him, that he may be converted from his wicked way, and live: the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at thy hand.
[19] But if thou give warning to the wicked, and he be not converted from his wickedness, and from his evil way: he indeed shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.
[20] Moreover if the just man shall turn away from his justice, and shall commit iniquity: I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die, because thou hast not given him warning: he shall die in his sin, and his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: but I will require his blood at thy hand.
But if you on your part warn the wicked man to turn from his [evil] way and he does not turn from his [evil] way, he will die in his sin; but you have saved your life. EZ. 33:9
Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.
John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
It’s interesting to look at the comments here and reflect on the original quote, “Jesus never called out sinners.” Does the author means “sinners” as in “everybody on the planet except Jesus” or the gospel use where “sinners and tax collectors” (not the Pharisees/scribes Mark 2:16) are with him?
It’s interesting to me that there’s all this arguing in these comments because I don’t know how people read that word in the tweet.
They are. Jesus did in fact call out sinners, what he never did was condemn them and that is the difference.
Hell should never come up in discussions with the lost. Christ was pretty ambiguous and for good reason.
But as far as what the expectation is, the rest of the post is right. We need to love people. Unconditionally. Judgement is for the Lord. They say the Lord works in mysterious ways and keeping accountability through non-believers seems like one such mysterious way.
Greed, impurity, selfishness, unforgiveness, hatred, disobedience...
You asked for other sins He rebuked aside from the Pharisees’ sins. I gave you examples of the sins he rebuked. I’m sorry you can’t understand your own question. You might want to brush up in the strawman fallacy usage also.
Greed & selfishness, condemned to hell: “There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. [20] And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
[21] Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. [23] And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: [24] And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. [25] And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. -LUKE 16
And I gave you but one example in my reply.
Jesus broke bread with sinners in hopes to help them change their ways. To get a sinner to repent and follow God/Jesus made heaven rejoice. If a lefty woke up and changed their ways and realized they were on the wrong side and came to our side would we not rejoice?
However, no one is without sin except Jesus. You dont have to approve of someone's life but make sure your life is in order before judgements with exceptions like murder or hurting a child etc. Casting judgements usually doesnt make someone wake up and change their ways, but breaking bread with them and showing through examples just might.
And if they are a lost cause,a taxman, then dont even bother with them. Thats between them and God. We walk amongst evil blood, not everyone is God's child and therefore not everyone is able to be saved. Bless you all.
Jesus said: Get the log out of your own eye, then you can see clearly to remove the speck form your brother's eye.... But Jesus did call tax collectors. (Matthew, ) and I think He still does.
You speak much truth( meditate deeply on the fact scripture declares not ever plant is a plant of the Father) but only will I say this everyone could***be saved but it’s a choice for some are willful ignorant!
2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Jesus Christ came to demonstrate God's love. For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son.
God is Love and there is no darkness in Him at all. People who use God to threaten people into obedience are no better than then the deep state.
There is a doctrine of condemnation that Gpd himself says there is there fore no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. Christ works was so complete and perfect that even men can't ruin it. OUR complete savior.
ANEN AND AMEN AGAIN
The problem (one of them) with Lisa Vaccinated up there is this: She makes it sound like whatever you do, you are not responsible. Jesus will just give her a little wink to let her know that she's okay by him. That's insane.
Something tells me Lisa is a maaaaan
Probably due to her resemblance to the current Secretary of Health (or whatever its title is). The dude from PA who pulled his own mother out of a nursing home before making sure that covid patients were filling up those places.
I call that Catholic realism. See, in the Catholic faith, you can commit any crime as long as it furthers the reach of that faith. The Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests will absolve you of your sins as long as hat you do furthers the Church's goal.
That's incorrect. Purposely defaming is a sin. Check yourself more.
Indulgences…. Not Scriptural.
Matthew 21:12-13
Matthew 21:42-44
Jesus loved sinners. And his followers were flawed people.
Telling them to sell their cloaks and buy swords...
Beating money changers with sticks...
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Sometimes love has teeth. But not condemnation.
Scripture does not say he beat the money changers, simply that he cleared them out with a whip - potentially just as firing in the air can warn trespassers, so could cracking a whip in the air.
When they whipped him... it tore the flesh off his body... guess he was pretty innovative in just using whips for noise!!!
Never knew he invented the non-lethal weapons industry too!!!
Jesus knew when he died the body would become the temple if he dwells in you then it up to you to protect the temple of God! As your body is not yours but his!
Jesus said “occupy until I come. Occupy is a military term like Hold the line!
He called out sinners all the time! Most of the “regular” people, those subjected to the Pharisees, He had compassion on (to the woman caught in adultry: go and sin no more) but to those judging others, He called them vipers and snakes and more. Jesus is very clear where He stands on the subject of sin and our soul.
What about those who lived before Christ who never had the opportunity to accept His salvation? To hell with them?!
They waited in Limbo and when Christ descended into hell after His Crucifixion He gathered them up and took them to their Reward.
Is there a verse about this place called “limbo”? Never heard of it.
In Greek iconography is depicted Christ Adam, Eve, Moses, etc. Here is one example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/vtamari/5647757781/ Also Limbo of the Patriarchs: (The Limbo of the Fathers) - A place and state of rest wherein the souls of the just who died before Christ's ascension were detained until he opened Heaven to them; referred to as "Abraham's Bosom" (Luke xvi,22) and "Paradise" (Luke xxiii, 43) and notably in Eph. IV, 9 and I Peter iii, 18-20.
Indeed I agree but disagree on one point. Jesus, the man was taken up by angels NO MAN has ascended accept he who came down. God came down and was the Spirit in Jesus but the body as a man was taken but the spirit ascended. This gives God complete sovereignty over who enters his domain, Heaven John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
The second half of the Gospel of Nicodemus goes over this.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelnicodemus.html
They were not held to the knowledge that we have, only to the knowledge they were given by God. As Paul said: Abraham trusted in God , and it was counted to him as righteousness. (Romans 1 - 4)
Actually they knew Jesus , the deliver would come and accepted he died for their sins thus being born again.
They looked forward to his coming and did not reject him.
Grace is seen throughout OT
Those present accepted or rejected who he was
We look back to the Cross and accept or reject!
Romans 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:6 (KJV) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 (KJV) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
The OT believers believed as we do by Faith. Abraham was called the Father of faith Romans 4:16 (KJV) Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Moses wiped out entire tribes. God commands prophets to kill everyone in certain areas in the Bible.
People gotta stop it with the "Jesus wouldn't lift a finger if his face was beaten in by tyrants and the tyrant lovers. You should be that way too!"
In case people forgot, these people are trying to kill you, your family and your country. And the sheep will cheer them on.
Half this sub tours the 2nd amendment and the other half wants to wash sheep feet.
Mathew 23:33-39 KJV
That doesn’t even rhyme with Kumbaya. How do they get it so twisted?
Leading by example of good character and good competition. Not all achievable good energies within Nations need be lost and misdirected.
((Jesus))
Talk about low-hanging fruit...
Too late..... pass the ammunition....!
WWG1WGA
I mean the Church never changed directions people schismed or fell into heresy. I go to what is the Church, the one I attend being the Coptic Orthodox Church which was founded by St. Mark. We don't do the flashy fire and brimstone preaching our Saints made things like St. Basil the Great who made the Basiliad which was a hospital for the sick and a community for others. The Church is known as a Hospital and God is the Great Physician we take those who are hurt, sick, and lost. Christ didn't come for those who were righteous but the sinners you don't need a doctor if you are well.
I absolutely love being Orthodox, I suffered so much, I struggle so much as well but the Church is there for me my priest is there for me, if it wasn't for the community and relationship I have I never would have stuck to being Christian. I am pushed every day by my priest to keep up my prayers, keep reading the Bible, and making sure I attend Divine Liturgy. All this ways are how my relationship with God grows by participating in a life with Him.
Amen! I recently shared to a Christian friend this is the greatest problem among believers not attracting the unbelieving!
Just as OT says Leviticus 19:19 (KJV) Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Christians say cussing is a sin ONLY if you are speaking Gods word! Wool is flesh fabric…Linen is a plant fabric(we are a plant of the Father)
Often we are working only flesh minded, then cussing isn’t a sin
Yet if in Spirit working to blend these garments together is a sin! As I would say “don’t preach and cuss!”
Christians say cussing and cursing is the same! No it is not! God cursed the serpent, Jesus cursed the fig tree. They were not cussing at them! They said a thing to curse them.
Jesus said a fountain should not bring forth both blessings and cursing. Same but opposite side of the other. A blessing will bring good and life a curse can bring a disaster or death!!!
IF ONLY WE TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND HIM RATHER THAN INTERPRET HIM TO FIT OUR OWN JUDGMENTS
The “sinners” are the violent who rule the world with lies and fear.
Actually all are sinners just some have Christ blood on the door posts of their hearts protecting them from the penalty of sin which is death and some do not!
Come to the Cross and repent of your sins that his blood will free you from the penalty of sin and death
We all have violence in our hearts. But there are God’s children and Satan’s. All of God’s children will be saved.
I wonder if when Jesus was doing great stuff if he was just being a genuinely good guy or if he was going on with catch phrases and stupid "gotcha" logic that makes people nod and smile so they can get away from the loon?
Are you calling Christ a loon?!
absolutely true though
Jesus was defiant of the status quo and he loathed the religious establishment at that the time.
Jesus told Jews their hundreds of laws and their commandments were all meaningless.
Jesus simplified the entire process, bringing it down two commandments and presenting the idea of consciousness being a key factor in determining what is a sin.
Jesus also spoke the truth, that works or the self were not ways to the father. He Is the Only Way!
He didn’t loathe the “religious establishment”; He loathed the hypocritical ways of Pharisees. Christ didn’t buck up to His Faith, didn’t say anything was meaningless, didn’t overthrow it. He practiced it. He fulfilled the Law, abolished the ceremonial, but the moral remains intact. For example, the 10 Commandments are still intact, but circumcision is not. He is the New Covenant.
Jesus obviously was helping set up a fundraising dinner for Salvation Army when he tripped over his whip. They edited it out of the Bible because they ran out of paper.
Exactly, Jesus wasn't a push over.
And they were setting up shop in His Father's house, blocking access to Him AND stealing from those who were trying to visit.
12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13 And He *said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.” (
He flipped the money changers table because they corrupted His Father house of Prayer to a type of horse trading establishment they had made it! If you had no Unspotted animal to sacrifice they’d take yours give you what they said was unspotted and the next fellow got yours as unspotted! Sound familiar???