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Bama50 31 points ago +31 / -0

I had 2 neighbors, 1 early 40s the other from a different household, late 50s both jabbed got the ventilator and Remdesivir. Both died.

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needorganization 18 points ago +18 / -0

How either of these two are still in use is beyond me. Especially when we have proven meds, like ivermectin.

Just complete malpractice.

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ZerroDefex 11 points ago +11 / -0

My mother works in a hospital and I gave her no end of grief when she claimed that Ivermectin is only for patients with worms.

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TheHoeAndJoe420 7 points ago +7 / -0

and is she aware that almost everyone has parasites? It's just an additional benefit that it's anti parasitic

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1Markseeker 4 points ago +4 / -0

The NIH and Nobel Peace Prize committee of 2015 would disagree with her

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PatriotLady1 7 points ago +7 / -0

IT'S ALL ABOUT PROFITS for hospitals...that...and folks are afraid of loosing their licenses and/or jobs !!!!!!

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Junionthepipeline 4 points ago +4 / -0

If only.its much much worse

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Moman 2 points ago +2 / -0

One word,,

D E P O P U L A T I O N. . . .

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Goldenhawk 1 point ago +1 / -0

...interesting word ' malpractice ' havn't seen it used much since this bioweapon was unleashed

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PapaPepe 5 points ago +5 / -0

The vent is a death sentence. Not a lot survive it.

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pizza_lawyer 9 points ago +9 / -0

I only had one client survive. His wife snuck him ivermectin because she worked at the hospital. Doctor said he was a miracle. He told the doctor what happened, guy laughed and said the same thing, only for horses. Oh and all his other patients in ICU died. That’s modern medicine for you.

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MW_Freedom 5 points ago +5 / -0

It's outrageous that your comment sums it up so well. That should be a paragraph in a fiction novel, but it is absolutely the truth!

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makemyday007 15 points ago +16 / -1

How is this not a kickback????

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MAG768720 21 points ago +22 / -1

Because it's a bribe.

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MAG768720 15 points ago +16 / -1

Lots of reports about getting bonus money for the Coof via the CARES ACT.

You got info that says that ain't so?

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farpointpatriot -17 points ago +1 / -18

I have TONS of proof that hospitals get a huge boost from the Cares Act. That isnt the claim. Focus.

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MAG768720 9 points ago +9 / -0

Well, then you need to communicate your message better.

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farpointpatriot -14 points ago +1 / -15

Wtf are u talking about

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MAG768720 10 points ago +10 / -0

The OP is about hospitals getting bonuses.

u/makemyday007 wrote:

How is this not a kickback????

You said:

Its a complete lie.

And now, you say:

I have TONS of proof that hospitals get a huge boost from the Cares Act. That isnt the claim. Focus.

So ... umm ... WTF are YOU talking about?

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New_believer11 6 points ago +6 / -0

It is true. CMS gives a 20% increase on the DRG rate if remdesivir is coded on the claim.

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Whizwit21 12 points ago +12 / -0

Nurses call me crazy when I try to talk about this with them

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aaaargh 16 points ago +16 / -0

You can't argue with nurses, they are too stupid.

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Cloe123 11 points ago +11 / -0

Just like in every field there are people who want to be told what to do and not take responsibility for their own decisions and actions. Many a nurse has saved a patient’s life and prevented errors in medications written by the physician or have noted a change in patient conditions in the absence of the physician. Nurses are often advocates for patients in the absence of family. I am old school and became an RN to help others, without the length and cost of medical school and the ultimate responsibility for life and death. But now many become nurses for the pay and job security. They are lazy and non-thinking robots. I do wish I knew then what I know now about the medical field. I can tell you I have seen a lot of stupid doctors too.

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Yugecahones 8 points ago +8 / -0

Ouch, I agree that some are stupid, but not all of us are. In fact I’m an ICU nurse, I have COVID right now, and have been taking ivermectin all week. I’m just starting to get over this illness.

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Phishhed44 3 points ago +3 / -0

Are you taking zinc, D3 and maybe a Z-Pack with it? Just curious, but you do know that Ivermectin’s purpose is to get the zinc into the cells…same for HCQ & Quercetin. Again, just wondering your protocol?

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1Markseeker 1 point ago +2 / -1

So you're a nurse and believe a test that you know to be useless when it says you have "covid?"

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Whizwit21 2 points ago +2 / -0

I know I’m just a sucker for tits in scrubs

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RedTX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty broad generalization. Not all of them are too stupid...geez.

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Ogcarvattack 1 point ago +1 / -0

Drs and nurses are like mechanics. You may find a good one here and there, but for the most part they all follow the written procedures. Most will want to pull the engine to perform a simple task, charging you 10x as much as actually necessary and reasonable.

Different knowledged set same knowledge.

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JulesW 12 points ago +12 / -0

Not just remdesivir. They get the bonus for monoclonal antibody infusions too. They give those in the ER then admit them (either immediately or a few days later) and give them remdesivir to finish them off. Hospitals need to be burned to the fucking ground and all administrators should stand trial for crimes against humanity.

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MAG768720 10 points ago +10 / -0

The doctors and nurses are bad.

But the administrators are downright evil. They need to be prosecuted and sent to prison.

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Phishhed44 1 point ago +1 / -0

I pray this happens.

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New_believer11 13 points ago +13 / -0

NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:

ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19) ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant).

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New_believer11 7 points ago +7 / -0

It’s true. CMS gives a 20% bonus on the DRG rate. I also work in medical billing.

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JulesW 4 points ago +4 / -0

I see it every day pussy. I am not lying. Just because you survived? Consider yourself lucky. The monoclonal antibody infusions are for “mild” cases. So why the fuck if you felt so much better we’re you admitted and started on remdesivir 2 days later? You are the liar. And the CMS bonus payments are easily searchable.

Go fuck yourself.

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farpointpatriot 0 points ago +1 / -1

Well done qualifying yourself with ur liberal language. As is expected from pozers. I cleaned up this thread by showing how ignorant some of u are. Mission complete.

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JulesW 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don’t think you are talking to me, but if you are I’m not sure what the fuck you are talking about.

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N0rds 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bullshit you had it.

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farpointpatriot 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why would I lie about that?

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N0rds 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why would you have 19 downvotes? Why would you delete your post... because you got busted.

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spaceforceltc 9 points ago +9 / -0

I just watched the movie Dallas Buyers Club yesterday. Big Pharma and the FDA pulled the same shit in the 1980s with AZT.

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ZerroDefex 6 points ago +6 / -0

And the director of that film died on 12/26/21 of a heart attack at only 58.

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spaceforceltc 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, that was actually the reason I went and watched the movie.

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WinkingPede 1 point ago +1 / -0

Has it been released yet if he'd gotten the clot shot?

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Rumsfeld 5 points ago +5 / -0

And FDA approved that drug. Makes you wonder

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JulesW 4 points ago +4 / -0

No need to wonder. They are corrupt to the fucking core.

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Cloe123 2 points ago +2 / -0

The FDA and CDC, as well as the AMA, AAP are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. Did we know that 2 years ago? We have become enlightened and our eyes are open to all of the corruption. I will forever be changed and I am glad I am retired from health care, because I would not endear myself with management. I would not be able to keep my mouth shut.

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1Markseeker 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm wearing a T-shirt right now that has the CDC logo on it with the words:

"Centers to Deceive and Control"

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Ogcarvattack 1 point ago +1 / -0

A little thing called "user fees." Gotta pay to play.

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Cloe123 5 points ago +5 / -0

Having been an RN, I want to see those responsible (whether the Hospital Administrator or the Hospital Board) along with the doctors, doing the same thing time after time and seeing it kills, be held responsible.

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Ogcarvattack 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just like AZT. Its a tried and true program these devils play.

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aaaargh 4 points ago +4 / -0

When your medical services kill you for money.

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Cuomos_nipple_rings 4 points ago +4 / -0

How do keep them from giving the remdesivir when the patient is basically locked away in prison away from the family?

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Cloe123 4 points ago +4 / -0

Be sure when signing the consent for treatment, you specify, “No Remdesevir, No Ventilator “. Also it helps to hav a living will. Ask for a copy of what you sign and give it to a family member. If they will not provide a copy, get yourself out of there!

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JulesW 2 points ago +2 / -0

Patients can refuse, but yes, if they are unconscious and you are locked out that does pose a problem. Just make it known from the beginning that you absolutely do not want it given or just say they are fuckin allergic to it.

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BeatButStillStanding 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tried to look this up, twitter is saying the account does not exist.... Glad to see free speech is still being protected

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TDS_is_rael 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am starting to think HIPAA was passed to hide what they were planning to do, and had nothing to do with patient "privacy".

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Ogcarvattack 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lets also talk about vaccines incentives...

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LacyLiberty 2 points ago +2 / -0

And who pays them this bonus?

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MAG768720 5 points ago +5 / -0

CARES ACT, from your hard-working Congress.

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JulesW 3 points ago +3 / -0

We the taxpayer.

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Jacurutu99 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't ever plan on forgiving all those that enabled this.

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lovecymru 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hospitals— the new killing fields

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numina18 1 point ago +1 / -0

I received three infusions of Remdesivir and then they just stopped. The nurse, who was sociopathic, then threatened that she was going to intubate me, and she held up the tube. I told her she would do nothing of the sort and that I refused any intubation (death). Oh, I also denounced her to the head nurse, and suggested she be fired, immediately. Never saw her again. And no intubation. I got out of the hospital when a friend said she would provide 24/7 care for me at home. This worked, and now, after a couple of weeks I am here at home, still have pneumonia,, and I can't manage taking care of things, but can get no help unless I pay out of pocket. I'll get through it somehow..

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SkiSkiUSMC 1 point ago +1 / -0

I just was down with pneumonia for three weeks. I called these guys, webdoctors.com and did the $40 consultation over the phone. Made a profile, entered my symptoms, told him everything on the phone. He prescribed me doxycycline for 20 days, a steroid pack and an inhaler. Also told me to take mucinex as well to keep my chest open to cough out the infection. I finished all my meds and have a slight cough that is on the back end of getting better. Cost me $40 for the phone call, probably another $30on meds with the GoodRx discounts and now I’m all better. No masks, no bullshit in the hospitals, no evil nurses and doctors trying to kill me with their Fauci treatments, none of it. Unless my arm falls off or I’m rushed to the hospital unconscious from a major accident, I have no reason to ever go again.

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Oldmancountry17 1 point ago +1 / -0

I had a shot of remdesivir at the ICU. Everyone gets it they said. Now, I dont want to die from muh organ failure, so I started taking b12. Any other suggestions or will 1 shot kill?

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liaBIGmd 1 point ago +1 / -0

who are they getting a bonus from?

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Billiebobb9 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why the f are there ANY bonuses for anything?

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harkk 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm absolutely ready to believe this but where is the proof, the sauce, the details and source of this information?

A lot of you are probably too young to know how these local, now corporate hospitals got started. They got started by hardworking local people fund raising and donating every single penny to build what started as a small local hospital. Now they've become conglomerates, many owned by larger hospital corporations and all those bushel baskets full of federal money are too tempting to turn down.

But still, I want to see the source, not just something someone I've never heard of posted on Twitter with nothing to show that it's anything other than their opinion.

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New_believer11 1 point ago +2 / -1

I posted the source in multiple places above this comment.

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harkk 0 points ago +1 / -1

For starters, no one should have to plow through 100+ posts to find a source. I see nothing on that page that mentions 20% for anything and does it apply to anything other than Medicare and Medicaid?

What I do see here throughout this thread is people saying it is true and other people arguing it isn't.

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WezeBWoke 1 point ago +1 / -0

How about sandwich board signs that folks wear in from of hospitals that say 22% in big letters with fake money taped on the perimater and others that explain it?

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EliFarQuar 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not a healthcare attorney but I'm pretty sure this would completely violate all anti kickback laws. Who is giving them a bonus? Surely not the insurance company bc they are crooks and would never pay 1 penny extra. Not the drug companies bc the drug can't possibly cost enough to offset this. . I'm calling BS on this.

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SkiSkiUSMC 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don’t think it’s too far of a stretch considering everything they did with the election violated a ton of laws yet they still did it and no one has done about it. Especially when you think of the big picture and what they’re really trying to pull with killing us all off. You really think they give a shit about violating any laws? They just want more control, more money and more power.

Edit: Not sure if this had anything to do with it, but, I found this. Add on payments for remdesevir.

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19/new-covid-19-treatments-add-payment-nctap

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7Nick9 1 point ago +1 / -0

Classic pay to play scheme ..

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7Nick9 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nice ! Thanks for link.

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Ogcarvattack 2 points ago +2 / -0

No problem. Pretty interesting. To say the least.

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Notshirley78 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why aren't we like other countries?uk and USA stand by threatening legal action knowing courts are corrupt and watch patients being murdered. Other countries have people with courage who go in and drag people out and deal with them and stop the murders. It has to be legal? Done by the law but it isn't is it? So everyone stands idly by wringing their hands at the deaths. Why won't we be held accountable that we allowed it all to happen? Wrote letters of protest that never got read? Men used to fight when their loved ones were being slaughtered.

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Belowzero -1 points ago +2 / -3

Respectfully, how the hell does a lowly nurse know what they charge? I’m a nurse, never have I known how hospitals bill. I didn’t even know when I worked insurance. They don’t tell us this. Is there any evidence for this?

Most of my patients now refuse remdesivir btw. Word is out. And half have ivermectin they bring in.

We saw multi organ system failure before remdesivir came out, and plenty of Covid deaths.

They don’t have remdesivir in most other countries also. It is an expensive drug.

Hospitals indeed are about the money. Nurse unions have been blasting that from the rooftops for decades.

I’ve also seen many patients want remdesivir, and we discharge them. It’s hard to tell from what you see online the bigger picture but I’d personally need evidence not anecdotal second hand opinions.

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Ogcarvattack 1 point ago +1 / -0

Be sneaky.

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M-I-vet 1 point ago +1 / -0

All good points. Everything must be proven, with independently verifiable data and/or corroboration.

Hearsay is not even close to being proof, yet so many people on this site still have no clue.

Finally, regarding retribution... start at the top.

Who created the financial incentives for hospitals to do things that are definitely not in the patient's best interests? Politicians.

Who created and enforces the hospital "treatment" protocols that kill patients (ventilators, Remdesivir, etc.) and persecutes doctors that deviate from those fatal protocols in favor of safe and effective treatments (IVM, HCQ, etc.)? Government bureaucrats, medical boards, and hospital administrators.

Who created the experimental gene therapies, masquerading as vaccines, that have so many adverse reactions and no beneficial ones? Big pharma.

Who is trying so hard to force everyone to take those experimental gene therapies? Politicians again.

What form does retribution take? Military tribunals for all of them, followed by executions for those found guilty of these crimes.

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SkiSkiUSMC 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19/new-covid-19-treatments-add-payment-nctap

Add on payment for remdesevir? Does this have anything to do with it?

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New_believer11 2 points ago +2 / -0

That’s exactly it. It’s 20% of the DRG which is the whole stay if the patient has a diagnosis of COVID19 and remdesivir on the claim.

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OldSchool2 14 points ago +15 / -1

Where to start, you sound like a shill... Here is a left leaning university to start off the replies.. https://medicine.uiowa.edu/content/research-shows-remdesivir-treatment-covid-19-has-little-impact-survival-increases-hospital

"A new study finds that remdesivir, the first new medicine approved for treatment of COVID-19, is not associated with improved survival, but is associated with longer hospital stays for patients."

Or https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/09/02/remdesivir-causes-renal-failure-hospital-protocols-are-killing-people/#:~:text=Remdesivir%20has%20been%20proven%20to%20cause%20kidney%20failure,fluid%2C%20and%20they%20are%20drowning%20them%20to%20death.%E2%80%9D

“The Safety Board pulled remdesivir from the [Ebola] study because it killed more people than any of the other three drugs,” Dr Bryan Ardis said, “remdesivir killed 54% of all the people that got the drug.” And, note that Reuters quoted a study which reported “a” – one – patient with coronavirus who had shown improvement after taking remdesivir.

"Remdesivir and Acute Renal Failure: A Potential Safety Signal From Disproportionality Analysis of the WHO Safety Database" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33340409/

Your turn....

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InmatesRunTheAsylum 6 points ago +6 / -0

Check out Dr Ardis' story. Remdesivir overworks the kidneys in some patients leading to fluid retention. The fluid retention causes the pneumonia, Yes, there might be covid pneumonia but giving remdesivir without also administering a diuretic is known to cause fluid buildup in the lungs and elsewhere within the body.

Are you confusing remdesivir with regeneron?

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farpointpatriot 0 points ago +1 / -1

Now this is a GREAT fuking reply.

Good question, no Im focused on Remdezivir … and not so much its efficacy or ANY of that shit. The post claimed hospitals are getting a 22% boost in their patient billing for using it. I know for an immutable fact that is total bullshit. I called it out, and the nutjob mob here on GAW came after me. No so different from the woke mob.

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New_believer11 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dude you are wrong. It’s not 22% it’s 20% and it is for Medicare patients and maybe Medicaid but that is government funding and the only place the government could add those incentives.

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OldSchool2 0 points ago +1 / -1

Not too bright are you. You are the poster child for why people need critical thinking... https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/cms-adds-20-inpatient-medicare-payment-covid-19-patients

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/se20015.pdf

Here is the CMS details - next time use common sense

From the CMS page titled, “New COVID-19 Treatments Add-On Payment (NCTAP)”

CMS issued an Interim Final Rule with Comment Period that established the New COVID-19 Treatments Add-on Payment (NCTAP) under the Medicare Inpatient Prospective Payment System (IPPS). The NCTAP, designed to mitigate potential financial disincentives for hospitals to provide new COVID-19 treatments, is effective from November 2, 2020, until the end of the COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE).

On August 23, 2020, the FDA issued (reissued on November 30, 2020, and revised on March 9, 2021) an EUA for the use of COVID-19 convalescent plasma for treating COVID-19 in hospitalized patients On October 22, 2020, the FDA approved remdesivir (Veklury) for the treatment of COVID-19 for adults and certain pediatric patients requiring hospitalization On November 19, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of baricitinib (Olumiant), in combination with remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of suspected or laboratory confirmed COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients For eligible cases, the NCTAP is equal to the lesser of these:

65% of the operating outlier threshold for the claim 65% of the amount by which the costs of the case exceed the standard Diagnosis-Related Group (DRG) payment (including the adjustment to the relative weight under Section 3710 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) Coding for NCTAP

NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:

ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19) ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant) in combination with remdesivir, as described below

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ZerroDefex 4 points ago +4 / -0

Everyone I know who had COVID and pneumonia but dodged Remdezivir and ventilators didn't end up drowning in lung fluid, they recovered and are still alive now. Hell one got sent home after only two days and this was back in 2020.

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AdAstra_PerAspera 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fuck off. Go away. You are not correct.

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farpointpatriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Actually, I am 100% correct. These illogical leptons on this thread that dont even know what the fuk the context is blow my mind.

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OldSchool2 0 points ago +1 / -1

In other words, you do not know shit and are deflecting. I accept your surrender.