I only had one client survive. His wife snuck him ivermectin because she worked at the hospital. Doctor said he was a miracle. He told the doctor what happened, guy laughed and said the same thing, only for horses. Oh and all his other patients in ICU died. That’s modern medicine for you.
Just like in every field there are people who want to be told what to do and not take responsibility for their own decisions and actions. Many a nurse has saved a patient’s life and prevented errors in medications written by the physician or have noted a change in patient conditions in the absence of the physician. Nurses are often advocates for patients in the absence of family. I am old school and became an RN to help others, without the length and cost of medical school and the ultimate responsibility for life and death. But now many become nurses for the pay and job security. They are lazy and non-thinking robots. I do wish I knew then what I know now about the medical field. I can tell you I have seen a lot of stupid doctors too.
Ouch, I agree that some are stupid, but not all of us are. In fact I’m an ICU nurse, I have COVID right now, and have been taking ivermectin all week. I’m just starting to get over this illness.
Are you taking zinc, D3 and maybe a Z-Pack with it? Just curious, but you do know that Ivermectin’s purpose is to get the zinc into the cells…same for HCQ & Quercetin. Again, just wondering your protocol?
Drs and nurses are like mechanics. You may find a good one here and there, but for the most part they all follow the written procedures. Most will want to pull the engine to perform a simple task, charging you 10x as much as actually necessary and reasonable.
Not just remdesivir. They get the bonus for monoclonal antibody infusions too. They give those in the ER then admit them (either immediately or a few days later) and give them remdesivir to finish them off. Hospitals need to be burned to the fucking ground and all administrators should stand trial for crimes against humanity.
I see it every day pussy. I am not lying. Just because you survived? Consider yourself lucky. The monoclonal antibody infusions are for “mild” cases. So why the fuck if you felt so much better we’re you admitted and started on remdesivir 2 days later? You are the liar. And the CMS bonus payments are easily searchable.
Well done qualifying yourself with ur liberal language. As is expected from pozers. I cleaned up this thread by showing how ignorant some of u are. Mission complete.
The FDA and CDC, as well as the AMA, AAP are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. Did we know that 2 years ago? We have become enlightened and our eyes are open to all of the corruption. I will forever be changed and I am glad I am retired from health care, because I would not endear myself with management. I would not be able to keep my mouth shut.
Having been an RN, I want to see those responsible (whether the Hospital Administrator or the Hospital Board) along with the doctors, doing the same thing time after time and seeing it kills, be held responsible.
Be sure when signing the consent for treatment, you specify, “No Remdesevir, No Ventilator “. Also it helps to hav a living will. Ask for a copy of what you sign and give it to a family member. If they will not provide a copy, get yourself out of there!
Patients can refuse, but yes, if they are unconscious and you are locked out that does pose a problem. Just make it known from the beginning that you absolutely do not want it given or just say they are fuckin allergic to it.
I received three infusions of Remdesivir and then they just stopped. The nurse, who was sociopathic, then threatened that she was going to intubate me, and she held up the tube. I told her she would do nothing of the sort and that I refused any intubation (death). Oh, I also denounced her to the head nurse, and suggested she be fired, immediately. Never saw her again. And no intubation. I got out of the hospital when a friend said she would provide 24/7 care for me at home. This worked, and now, after a couple of weeks I am here at home, still have pneumonia,, and I can't manage taking care of things, but can get no help unless I pay out of pocket. I'll get through it somehow..
I had a shot of remdesivir at the ICU. Everyone gets it they said. Now, I dont want to die from muh organ failure, so I started taking b12. Any other suggestions or will 1 shot kill?
I'm absolutely ready to believe this but where is the proof, the sauce, the details and source of this information?
A lot of you are probably too young to know how these local, now corporate hospitals got started. They got started by hardworking local people fund raising and donating every single penny to build what started as a small local hospital. Now they've become conglomerates, many owned by larger hospital corporations and all those bushel baskets full of federal money are too tempting to turn down.
But still, I want to see the source, not just something someone I've never heard of posted on Twitter with nothing to show that it's anything other than their opinion.
For starters, no one should have to plow through 100+ posts to find a source. I see nothing on that page that mentions 20% for anything and does it apply to anything other than Medicare and Medicaid?
What I do see here throughout this thread is people saying it is true and other people arguing it isn't.
How about sandwich board signs that folks wear in from of hospitals that say 22% in big letters with fake money taped on the perimater and others that explain it?
I'm not a healthcare attorney but I'm pretty sure this would completely violate all anti kickback laws. Who is giving them a bonus? Surely not the insurance company bc they are crooks and would never pay 1 penny extra. Not the drug companies bc the drug can't possibly cost enough to offset this. . I'm calling BS on this.
Why aren't we like other countries?uk and USA stand by threatening legal action knowing courts are corrupt and watch patients being murdered. Other countries have people with courage who go in and drag people out and deal with them and stop the murders. It has to be legal? Done by the law but it isn't is it? So everyone stands idly by wringing their hands at the deaths. Why won't we be held accountable that we allowed it all to happen? Wrote letters of protest that never got read? Men used to fight when their loved ones were being slaughtered.
Respectfully, how the hell does a lowly nurse know what they charge? I’m a nurse, never have I known how hospitals bill. I didn’t even know when I worked insurance. They don’t tell us this. Is there any evidence for this?
Most of my patients now refuse remdesivir btw. Word is out. And half have ivermectin they bring in.
We saw multi organ system failure before remdesivir came out, and plenty of Covid deaths.
They don’t have remdesivir in most other countries also. It is an expensive drug.
Hospitals indeed are about the money. Nurse unions have been blasting that from the rooftops for decades.
I’ve also seen many patients want remdesivir, and we discharge them. It’s hard to tell from what you see online the bigger picture but I’d personally need evidence not anecdotal second hand opinions.
"A new study finds that remdesivir, the first new medicine approved for treatment of COVID-19, is not associated with improved survival, but is associated with longer hospital stays for patients."
“The Safety Board pulled remdesivir from the [Ebola] study because it killed more people than any of the other three drugs,” Dr Bryan Ardis said, “remdesivir killed 54% of all the people that got the drug.” And, note that Reuters quoted a study which reported “a” – one – patient with coronavirus who had shown improvement after taking remdesivir.
"Remdesivir and Acute Renal Failure: A Potential Safety Signal From Disproportionality Analysis of the WHO Safety Database"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33340409/
Check out Dr Ardis' story. Remdesivir overworks the kidneys in some patients leading to fluid retention. The fluid retention causes the pneumonia, Yes, there might be covid pneumonia but giving remdesivir without also administering a diuretic is known to cause fluid buildup in the lungs and elsewhere within the body.
Good question, no Im focused on Remdezivir … and not so much its efficacy or ANY of that shit. The post claimed hospitals are getting a 22% boost in their patient billing for using it. I know for an immutable fact that is total bullshit. I called it out, and the nutjob mob here on GAW came after me. No so different from the woke mob.
Dude you are wrong. It’s not 22% it’s 20% and it is for Medicare patients and maybe Medicaid but that is government funding and the only place the government could add those incentives.
Here is the CMS details - next time use common sense
From the CMS page titled, “New COVID-19 Treatments Add-On Payment (NCTAP)”
CMS issued an Interim Final Rule with Comment Period that established the New COVID-19 Treatments Add-on Payment (NCTAP) under the Medicare Inpatient Prospective Payment System (IPPS). The NCTAP, designed to mitigate potential financial disincentives for hospitals to provide new COVID-19 treatments, is effective from November 2, 2020, until the end of the COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE).
On August 23, 2020, the FDA issued (reissued on November 30, 2020, and revised on March 9, 2021) an EUA for the use of COVID-19 convalescent plasma for treating COVID-19 in hospitalized patients
On October 22, 2020, the FDA approved remdesivir (Veklury) for the treatment of COVID-19 for adults and certain pediatric patients requiring hospitalization
On November 19, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of baricitinib (Olumiant), in combination with remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of suspected or laboratory confirmed COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients
For eligible cases, the NCTAP is equal to the lesser of these:
65% of the operating outlier threshold for the claim
65% of the amount by which the costs of the case exceed the standard Diagnosis-Related Group (DRG) payment (including the adjustment to the relative weight under Section 3710 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act)
Coding for NCTAP
NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:
ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19)
ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant) in combination with remdesivir, as described below
Everyone I know who had COVID and pneumonia but dodged Remdezivir and ventilators didn't end up drowning in lung fluid, they recovered and are still alive now. Hell one got sent home after only two days and this was back in 2020.
I had 2 neighbors, 1 early 40s the other from a different household, late 50s both jabbed got the ventilator and Remdesivir. Both died.
How either of these two are still in use is beyond me. Especially when we have proven meds, like ivermectin.
Just complete malpractice.
My mother works in a hospital and I gave her no end of grief when she claimed that Ivermectin is only for patients with worms.
The NIH and Nobel Peace Prize committee of 2015 would disagree with her
IT'S ALL ABOUT PROFITS for hospitals...that...and folks are afraid of loosing their licenses and/or jobs !!!!!!
If only.its much much worse
One word,,
D E P O P U L A T I O N. . . .
Flurona… https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/12/31/flurona-first-flu-and-covid-case-reported/
...interesting word ' malpractice ' havn't seen it used much since this bioweapon was unleashed
The vent is a death sentence. Not a lot survive it.
I only had one client survive. His wife snuck him ivermectin because she worked at the hospital. Doctor said he was a miracle. He told the doctor what happened, guy laughed and said the same thing, only for horses. Oh and all his other patients in ICU died. That’s modern medicine for you.
It's outrageous that your comment sums it up so well. That should be a paragraph in a fiction novel, but it is absolutely the truth!
How is this not a kickback????
Because it's a bribe.
Lots of reports about getting bonus money for the Coof via the CARES ACT.
You got info that says that ain't so?
I have TONS of proof that hospitals get a huge boost from the Cares Act. That isnt the claim. Focus.
Well, then you need to communicate your message better.
Wtf are u talking about
The OP is about hospitals getting bonuses.
u/makemyday007 wrote:
You said:
And now, you say:
So ... umm ... WTF are YOU talking about?
It is true. CMS gives a 20% increase on the DRG rate if remdesivir is coded on the claim.
Nurses call me crazy when I try to talk about this with them
You can't argue with nurses, they are too stupid.
Just like in every field there are people who want to be told what to do and not take responsibility for their own decisions and actions. Many a nurse has saved a patient’s life and prevented errors in medications written by the physician or have noted a change in patient conditions in the absence of the physician. Nurses are often advocates for patients in the absence of family. I am old school and became an RN to help others, without the length and cost of medical school and the ultimate responsibility for life and death. But now many become nurses for the pay and job security. They are lazy and non-thinking robots. I do wish I knew then what I know now about the medical field. I can tell you I have seen a lot of stupid doctors too.
Ouch, I agree that some are stupid, but not all of us are. In fact I’m an ICU nurse, I have COVID right now, and have been taking ivermectin all week. I’m just starting to get over this illness.
Are you taking zinc, D3 and maybe a Z-Pack with it? Just curious, but you do know that Ivermectin’s purpose is to get the zinc into the cells…same for HCQ & Quercetin. Again, just wondering your protocol?
So you're a nurse and believe a test that you know to be useless when it says you have "covid?"
I know I’m just a sucker for tits in scrubs
Pretty broad generalization. Not all of them are too stupid...geez.
Drs and nurses are like mechanics. You may find a good one here and there, but for the most part they all follow the written procedures. Most will want to pull the engine to perform a simple task, charging you 10x as much as actually necessary and reasonable.
Different knowledged set same knowledge.
Not just remdesivir. They get the bonus for monoclonal antibody infusions too. They give those in the ER then admit them (either immediately or a few days later) and give them remdesivir to finish them off. Hospitals need to be burned to the fucking ground and all administrators should stand trial for crimes against humanity.
The doctors and nurses are bad.
But the administrators are downright evil. They need to be prosecuted and sent to prison.
I pray this happens.
NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:
ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19) ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant).
It’s true. CMS gives a 20% bonus on the DRG rate. I also work in medical billing.
I see it every day pussy. I am not lying. Just because you survived? Consider yourself lucky. The monoclonal antibody infusions are for “mild” cases. So why the fuck if you felt so much better we’re you admitted and started on remdesivir 2 days later? You are the liar. And the CMS bonus payments are easily searchable.
Go fuck yourself.
Well done qualifying yourself with ur liberal language. As is expected from pozers. I cleaned up this thread by showing how ignorant some of u are. Mission complete.
I don’t think you are talking to me, but if you are I’m not sure what the fuck you are talking about.
Bullshit you had it.
Why would I lie about that?
Why would you have 19 downvotes? Why would you delete your post... because you got busted.
I just watched the movie Dallas Buyers Club yesterday. Big Pharma and the FDA pulled the same shit in the 1980s with AZT.
And the director of that film died on 12/26/21 of a heart attack at only 58.
Yeah, that was actually the reason I went and watched the movie.
Has it been released yet if he'd gotten the clot shot?
And FDA approved that drug. Makes you wonder
No need to wonder. They are corrupt to the fucking core.
The FDA and CDC, as well as the AMA, AAP are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. Did we know that 2 years ago? We have become enlightened and our eyes are open to all of the corruption. I will forever be changed and I am glad I am retired from health care, because I would not endear myself with management. I would not be able to keep my mouth shut.
I'm wearing a T-shirt right now that has the CDC logo on it with the words:
"Centers to Deceive and Control"
A little thing called "user fees." Gotta pay to play.
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/7/fda-fy2021-user-fee-table
Having been an RN, I want to see those responsible (whether the Hospital Administrator or the Hospital Board) along with the doctors, doing the same thing time after time and seeing it kills, be held responsible.
Just like AZT. Its a tried and true program these devils play.
When your medical services kill you for money.
How do keep them from giving the remdesivir when the patient is basically locked away in prison away from the family?
Be sure when signing the consent for treatment, you specify, “No Remdesevir, No Ventilator “. Also it helps to hav a living will. Ask for a copy of what you sign and give it to a family member. If they will not provide a copy, get yourself out of there!
Patients can refuse, but yes, if they are unconscious and you are locked out that does pose a problem. Just make it known from the beginning that you absolutely do not want it given or just say they are fuckin allergic to it.
Tried to look this up, twitter is saying the account does not exist.... Glad to see free speech is still being protected
Lets also talk about vaccines incentives...
And who pays them this bonus?
CARES ACT, from your hard-working Congress.
We the taxpayer.
I don't ever plan on forgiving all those that enabled this.
That’s it.
Hospitals— the new killing fields
I am starting to think HIPAA was passed to hide what they were planning to do, and had nothing to do with patient "privacy".
I received three infusions of Remdesivir and then they just stopped. The nurse, who was sociopathic, then threatened that she was going to intubate me, and she held up the tube. I told her she would do nothing of the sort and that I refused any intubation (death). Oh, I also denounced her to the head nurse, and suggested she be fired, immediately. Never saw her again. And no intubation. I got out of the hospital when a friend said she would provide 24/7 care for me at home. This worked, and now, after a couple of weeks I am here at home, still have pneumonia,, and I can't manage taking care of things, but can get no help unless I pay out of pocket. I'll get through it somehow..
I had a shot of remdesivir at the ICU. Everyone gets it they said. Now, I dont want to die from muh organ failure, so I started taking b12. Any other suggestions or will 1 shot kill?
who are they getting a bonus from?
Why the f are there ANY bonuses for anything?
I'm absolutely ready to believe this but where is the proof, the sauce, the details and source of this information?
A lot of you are probably too young to know how these local, now corporate hospitals got started. They got started by hardworking local people fund raising and donating every single penny to build what started as a small local hospital. Now they've become conglomerates, many owned by larger hospital corporations and all those bushel baskets full of federal money are too tempting to turn down.
But still, I want to see the source, not just something someone I've never heard of posted on Twitter with nothing to show that it's anything other than their opinion.
I posted the source in multiple places above this comment.
For starters, no one should have to plow through 100+ posts to find a source. I see nothing on that page that mentions 20% for anything and does it apply to anything other than Medicare and Medicaid?
What I do see here throughout this thread is people saying it is true and other people arguing it isn't.
How about sandwich board signs that folks wear in from of hospitals that say 22% in big letters with fake money taped on the perimater and others that explain it?
I'm not a healthcare attorney but I'm pretty sure this would completely violate all anti kickback laws. Who is giving them a bonus? Surely not the insurance company bc they are crooks and would never pay 1 penny extra. Not the drug companies bc the drug can't possibly cost enough to offset this. . I'm calling BS on this.
Classic pay to play scheme ..
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/7/fda-fy2021-user-fee-table
Nice ! Thanks for link.
No problem. Pretty interesting. To say the least.
Why aren't we like other countries?uk and USA stand by threatening legal action knowing courts are corrupt and watch patients being murdered. Other countries have people with courage who go in and drag people out and deal with them and stop the murders. It has to be legal? Done by the law but it isn't is it? So everyone stands idly by wringing their hands at the deaths. Why won't we be held accountable that we allowed it all to happen? Wrote letters of protest that never got read? Men used to fight when their loved ones were being slaughtered.
Respectfully, how the hell does a lowly nurse know what they charge? I’m a nurse, never have I known how hospitals bill. I didn’t even know when I worked insurance. They don’t tell us this. Is there any evidence for this?
Most of my patients now refuse remdesivir btw. Word is out. And half have ivermectin they bring in.
We saw multi organ system failure before remdesivir came out, and plenty of Covid deaths.
They don’t have remdesivir in most other countries also. It is an expensive drug.
Hospitals indeed are about the money. Nurse unions have been blasting that from the rooftops for decades.
I’ve also seen many patients want remdesivir, and we discharge them. It’s hard to tell from what you see online the bigger picture but I’d personally need evidence not anecdotal second hand opinions.
Be sneaky.
That’s exactly it. It’s 20% of the DRG which is the whole stay if the patient has a diagnosis of COVID19 and remdesivir on the claim.
Where to start, you sound like a shill... Here is a left leaning university to start off the replies.. https://medicine.uiowa.edu/content/research-shows-remdesivir-treatment-covid-19-has-little-impact-survival-increases-hospital
"A new study finds that remdesivir, the first new medicine approved for treatment of COVID-19, is not associated with improved survival, but is associated with longer hospital stays for patients."
Or https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/09/02/remdesivir-causes-renal-failure-hospital-protocols-are-killing-people/#:~:text=Remdesivir%20has%20been%20proven%20to%20cause%20kidney%20failure,fluid%2C%20and%20they%20are%20drowning%20them%20to%20death.%E2%80%9D
“The Safety Board pulled remdesivir from the [Ebola] study because it killed more people than any of the other three drugs,” Dr Bryan Ardis said, “remdesivir killed 54% of all the people that got the drug.” And, note that Reuters quoted a study which reported “a” – one – patient with coronavirus who had shown improvement after taking remdesivir.
"Remdesivir and Acute Renal Failure: A Potential Safety Signal From Disproportionality Analysis of the WHO Safety Database" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33340409/
Your turn....
https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-reveals-remdesivir-is-real-cause-of-covid-19-maladies/
Check out Dr Ardis' story. Remdesivir overworks the kidneys in some patients leading to fluid retention. The fluid retention causes the pneumonia, Yes, there might be covid pneumonia but giving remdesivir without also administering a diuretic is known to cause fluid buildup in the lungs and elsewhere within the body.
Are you confusing remdesivir with regeneron?
Now this is a GREAT fuking reply.
Good question, no Im focused on Remdezivir … and not so much its efficacy or ANY of that shit. The post claimed hospitals are getting a 22% boost in their patient billing for using it. I know for an immutable fact that is total bullshit. I called it out, and the nutjob mob here on GAW came after me. No so different from the woke mob.
Dude you are wrong. It’s not 22% it’s 20% and it is for Medicare patients and maybe Medicaid but that is government funding and the only place the government could add those incentives.
Not too bright are you. You are the poster child for why people need critical thinking... https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/cms-adds-20-inpatient-medicare-payment-covid-19-patients
https://www.cms.gov/files/document/se20015.pdf
Here is the CMS details - next time use common sense
From the CMS page titled, “New COVID-19 Treatments Add-On Payment (NCTAP)”
CMS issued an Interim Final Rule with Comment Period that established the New COVID-19 Treatments Add-on Payment (NCTAP) under the Medicare Inpatient Prospective Payment System (IPPS). The NCTAP, designed to mitigate potential financial disincentives for hospitals to provide new COVID-19 treatments, is effective from November 2, 2020, until the end of the COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE).
On August 23, 2020, the FDA issued (reissued on November 30, 2020, and revised on March 9, 2021) an EUA for the use of COVID-19 convalescent plasma for treating COVID-19 in hospitalized patients On October 22, 2020, the FDA approved remdesivir (Veklury) for the treatment of COVID-19 for adults and certain pediatric patients requiring hospitalization On November 19, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of baricitinib (Olumiant), in combination with remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of suspected or laboratory confirmed COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients For eligible cases, the NCTAP is equal to the lesser of these:
65% of the operating outlier threshold for the claim 65% of the amount by which the costs of the case exceed the standard Diagnosis-Related Group (DRG) payment (including the adjustment to the relative weight under Section 3710 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) Coding for NCTAP
NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:
ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19) ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant) in combination with remdesivir, as described below
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/hospital-death-camps-exposed/article_97776276-674f-11ec-85d0-f33f634331c8.html And there are many more links available!!
Everyone I know who had COVID and pneumonia but dodged Remdezivir and ventilators didn't end up drowning in lung fluid, they recovered and are still alive now. Hell one got sent home after only two days and this was back in 2020.
Fuck off. Go away. You are not correct.
Actually, I am 100% correct. These illogical leptons on this thread that dont even know what the fuk the context is blow my mind.
In other words, you do not know shit and are deflecting. I accept your surrender.