The average person doesn't know what The Constitution is, why it was written, by whom, when and where. Not surprising this happened lol. Actually, the average person doesn't know where DC is on a map.
The problem--or at least one particular problem--is that many good laws are struck down on this very basis. Many judges invent a "Constitutional violation" that does not exist. Many good and necessary laws protecting innocent children from execution at the altar of Satan have been struck down on this very basis. Because the Constitution is relatively brief, it has been made to say a great number of things it never did.
One of the most recent and visible instances of this ridiculous abuse was Masterpiece Cakeshop, where a Court found that a baked is required to bake a cake for a gay wedding. This case was of course a total mockery of the Constitution and the US in general.
I am considering wearing a paper bag on my head instead of a mask. What are your thoughts? I want to "comply" (as is necessary when flying) but I want to make it clear it is a mockery.
Any practical feedback? How to defeat the mask mania?
That's why there are the 3 branches of government. Each is suppose to be a check on other in accordance to the Constitution. That concept is now very strained and it has everything to do to with the increasing failure of upholding the Constitution.
The question is why is this occurring? Well, its because the Constitution is not being taught in school. Civics is no longer taught in public school and was replace with 'social studies'. It is not being taught in law school either. Instead, 'Law Positive' is being promoted, while Constitutional law is taught in passing commentary. Look up 'Law Positive' versus Common law to understand how much this is destroying our Republic form of government.
If you are wondering why unconstitutional laws are increasingly being made, it's because of the above reason. If there was ever a way of preventing this, it would be banning lawyers from holding public office. The original 13th Amendment did exactly that. The practice of attorneys becomes more powerful, more influential as the rule of law in government becomes less manageable. It happens to nations every time before they fall. The practice of lawyering feeds off from increasing controversy and anarchy.
Yep. When the Constitution is not being taught, but instead 'Law Positive' is the predominant theory of law schools, the expected should be of no surprise. The subversion is great, but can be remedied by reverse coursing to Civics classes.
Man we need Civics more than ever. 150 years ago a HS Grad knew more than today’s College Grads by a long shot. We naturally perceive the advancement of man on a linear scale, which is a fallacy. (They’ve) been dumbing-down John Q Public for over a century.
So Congress could pass a law providing criminal penalties and excommunication for any person who knowingly or unknowingly at the time votes for, signs, executes, or fails to properly adjudicate a law that is unconstitutional?
See what we need is a form of punishment that isn't too harsh but also gives real incentive for lawmakers to stop doing stupid BS just in the hopes it gets past SCOTUS.
Enact term limits. Any law you vote for that is repealed knocks a year off your term limit. So if your max term is 20 years and you vote for a bunch of stupid laws that all get repealed then your max term gets dropped down to 15 years... etc etc.
Lawmakers would pay a WHOLE lot more attention to what they voted for. The whole you have to vote for the bill to see what's in the bill BS would get thrown completely out the window.
Limit of 20 years of aggregate government service in elected or appointed positions, minus 5 years for each vote for, signature of, execution of, or improper adjudication of a law that violates the Constitution.
Lawmakers would pay even more attention if passing an unconstitutional “law” is treason and subject to military tribunal. And the downside is we get to remove the treasonous politicians. I don’t see a downside.
Politicians being held responsible... A good start would be removing all their separate bun unequal perks like a separate Social security type program, their own health care, diplo plates that allow them to go 90 and not get a traffic ticket. They have voted themselves all sorts of things that have conditioned them to be scofflaws...those might just as well be treason.
True. An oath to the NWO or a foreign power or foreign entity is treason. They are the ones subverting the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
If a law is struck down as unconstitutional, isn't that prima facie evidence that the politicians who voted for, signed, and executed that law are failing to uphold their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution?
No, because a politicians job isn't to know the constitution inside out and uphold it - even though they should. That's generally the supreme court's job. What politicians do is to push forward whatever law (or amendments, or revision of previous laws, etc) the populace wants them to, so that's what they do - which may or may not end up being unconstitutional in nature or interpretation. As you may have noticed, that's what a lot of political campaigning and rallies revolves around: talking shit about what laws they would pass or would cancel.
This is a loaded question and it's biased bullshit. I mean this respectfully because I understand it may or may not be your supposition, as I've seen a lot of misguided people parroting this around for years and years.
Wrong. Politicians are sworn in to protect the constitution before every term. Passing an unconstitutional law = failure to protect the constitution = treason. The American public should not suffer because politicians can’t take the time to read the constitution.
I am NOT in favor of a CON CON...because that's what took place in the 1780's that ended up in the coup that replaced the Articles of Confederation with our current Constitution and led us directly to where we are now...with a massive FEDERAL Government entity hell bent on tyranny at the behest of globalist satan worshippers! Don't be fooled friends...we are here because of our current Constitution, not in spite of it!
That being said, we must work with what we have and I am of the mind another CON CON would lead us straight to dictatorship...which in essence is where we are now. But we can strengthen our present Constitution in the direction of freedom through the amendment process. In saying this, I am indirectly trying to make the point that our current Constitution is weak by design. Anyone who's read the "Anti-Federalist Papers," would understand that those Anti-Federalists were against our Constitution for a reason (many reasons actually) and everything they predicted...especially when it came to the abuse of our court system has come to pass. They were not prophets, they were just Truth Tellers who understood the dangers of Centralized, Top-Down Government...which is what our current Constitution gave us!
There are 2 major areas that our current Constitution is weak, but these areas deal with ideas that are so important...and the weakness is in the way the language is written. It's the language...the way our Constitution is written that's allowing for the abuse we see in government to the point our government is now basically a lawless Banana Republic.
The first area of weakness is in the fact that there's obviously NO TEETH in the proper application of "Oath Taking" where the Constitution is concerned. I have been floating out the idea for years that if an elected official who takes an oath to our Constitution and then summarily violates that oath either through, for example, introducing legislation that is anti-Constitution or supports legislation that's anti-Constitution, that person needs to be brough up on charges of high-treason and if found guilty...executed. Or...in the same vein, if say a sheriff (who must also take an oath to our Constitution) is found, through his metering out law enforcement, to be violating his oath of office...well the same legal procedure needs to be followed as was applied to the congress critter laid out above. In other words, if (and it matters not your capacity), you violate your oath of office...you will be arrested, tried and if found guilty...get capital punishment. There needs to be an amendment to our Constitution that makes violating your oath of office a capital offense because, as we have seen, the damage to liberty and lives lost by people who routinely violate their oath is incalculable.
The second area is that of the Second Amendment. Whenever I read the language that makes up our Second Amendment I have always asked myself...how in the hell did they come up with that mess! You mean to tell me there's no better, more to the point, less wordy way to say to our government..."Keep your ever-fucking hands off any and all my firearms and ammo!!! I can use whatever means I want to defend myself from you pricks in DC!" Now I understand the language was more "flowery" back then, but for goodness sake! We need to change the wording of the Second Amendment to simply state, the Federal Government has absolutely NO AUTHORITY to prohibit any citizen (over the age of whatever) of the United States from owning, possessing, or using any and all means available to him/her in self-defense of governmental tyranny! Straight, to the point, easy to understand and it has NO DAMN WIGGLE ROOM that our courts and law enforcement can hang us with! Shit, there's probably and even better, more succinct way of saying it...but the case is still the same...the reason we have so many gun laws is because the language of the 2nd Amendment allows too much room for "other interpretations." In fact...that the Founders put wording about the militia into the language of the Second Amendment...it blows my mind that we still have our guns!
There are other areas as well...like term limits and dealing with the fucking Commerce Clause...but enough said...
Would criminal penalties and excommunication for not upholding their oaths as evidenced by voting for, signing, executing, and improperly adjudicating unconstitutional laws help get rid of bad members of Congress?
There is a process for removing a person from Congress. Every 2 years a Representative can be removed, and every 6 years a Senator can be removed. Unfortunately it takes a well informed electorate to pull the correct level in order to remove a scoundrel from office. The individual houses of Congress can remove a member by 2/3s vote.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/expulsion.htm
How about those politicians who take the oath of office to protect and defend the constitution and then turn around and write legislation to implement gun control or other unconstitutional laws? The very act of trying to undermine the constitution should be considered treason and that politician brought up on charges.
It absolutely is, but violating an oath or duty isn't against the law. In a representative government, it is left to the people to excommunicate them, their peers to impeach them, etc. A fact that will surprise nobody is that the people in government spend a lot of time making laws that protect THEMSELVES, few have the character to pass laws they may ever be in danger of violating.
Add to this the complication/loophole that the Constitution is a living document, that changes and is re-interpreted regularly, and it's tough to get a rope on anyone for anything. They are taking full advantage of this now.
Until The People take back the power of the Grand Jury, and enforce their control over the government, as originally established, it will never happen. Government will never police government, as our Founding Fathers knew and planned for with a government that had limited power through a constitution from The People.
America needs a refresher in individual liberty, self-rule, and servant government.
Each branch of government is balanced by the others. The legislature is free to pass bills that are later pronounced by the courts as being unconstitutional without their having been in violation of the constitution. It's a checks and balances thing.
O yes it is. That is why there is an oath of office. This comes down to intent. Scotus is merely meant as a fail-safe
Set in a graph any representative, any senator, any governor, any president, and first consider yourself what you deem is constitutional. Then compare to what the Scotus holds to be constitutional. You' ll be amazed for two reasons:
The blatant rift between those who call themselves representatives of the people
The blatant rift between the valuation of law by the people vs the valuation of law by the BAR-MEMBERS.
Your equity is totally irrelevant since November '99.
Is it not interesting that the final say would be those who are beholden to a private City of London based temple?
How do we know any law can be upheld if there has been no election audit of the legislators?
Winner winner chicken dinner!! You are correct! We have moved so far from the original document that now that standard is almost unknown...
I think most people, and all patriots, believe the commies like voting for laws that don't respect the Constitution.
The average person doesn't know what The Constitution is, why it was written, by whom, when and where. Not surprising this happened lol. Actually, the average person doesn't know where DC is on a map.
It is a shame the commies screwed up the educational system so that learning has nothing to do with American history--at least in a good way.
It's a shame parents shipped their children to Cesar to get educated.
Not surprising they come back as Romans.
The problem--or at least one particular problem--is that many good laws are struck down on this very basis. Many judges invent a "Constitutional violation" that does not exist. Many good and necessary laws protecting innocent children from execution at the altar of Satan have been struck down on this very basis. Because the Constitution is relatively brief, it has been made to say a great number of things it never did.
One of the most recent and visible instances of this ridiculous abuse was Masterpiece Cakeshop, where a Court found that a baked is required to bake a cake for a gay wedding. This case was of course a total mockery of the Constitution and the US in general.
If it’s unconstitutional, it’s treason. Period.
Right, what if a commie judge decides to strike down a law that is constitutional and proper?
"But if your not vaccinated or wearing a mask get out of my establishment!"
I am considering wearing a paper bag on my head instead of a mask. What are your thoughts? I want to "comply" (as is necessary when flying) but I want to make it clear it is a mockery.
Any practical feedback? How to defeat the mask mania?
That's why there are the 3 branches of government. Each is suppose to be a check on other in accordance to the Constitution. That concept is now very strained and it has everything to do to with the increasing failure of upholding the Constitution.
The question is why is this occurring? Well, its because the Constitution is not being taught in school. Civics is no longer taught in public school and was replace with 'social studies'. It is not being taught in law school either. Instead, 'Law Positive' is being promoted, while Constitutional law is taught in passing commentary. Look up 'Law Positive' versus Common law to understand how much this is destroying our Republic form of government.
If you are wondering why unconstitutional laws are increasingly being made, it's because of the above reason. If there was ever a way of preventing this, it would be banning lawyers from holding public office. The original 13th Amendment did exactly that. The practice of attorneys becomes more powerful, more influential as the rule of law in government becomes less manageable. It happens to nations every time before they fall. The practice of lawyering feeds off from increasing controversy and anarchy.
How’s THAT been workin out lately? /s
Yep. When the Constitution is not being taught, but instead 'Law Positive' is the predominant theory of law schools, the expected should be of no surprise. The subversion is great, but can be remedied by reverse coursing to Civics classes.
Man we need Civics more than ever. 150 years ago a HS Grad knew more than today’s College Grads by a long shot. We naturally perceive the advancement of man on a linear scale, which is a fallacy. (They’ve) been dumbing-down John Q Public for over a century.
I’ll go with Civics and Common Law for 1776, Alex.
Beauty 😎
No its not because Marbury vs Madison determined that the Supreme Court is the sole decider of what is and isnt constitutional.
So Congress could pass a law providing criminal penalties and excommunication for any person who knowingly or unknowingly at the time votes for, signs, executes, or fails to properly adjudicate a law that is unconstitutional?
Sure but it would probably get challenged and go to the Supreme Court and found unconstitutional lol
See what we need is a form of punishment that isn't too harsh but also gives real incentive for lawmakers to stop doing stupid BS just in the hopes it gets past SCOTUS.
Enact term limits. Any law you vote for that is repealed knocks a year off your term limit. So if your max term is 20 years and you vote for a bunch of stupid laws that all get repealed then your max term gets dropped down to 15 years... etc etc.
Lawmakers would pay a WHOLE lot more attention to what they voted for. The whole you have to vote for the bill to see what's in the bill BS would get thrown completely out the window.
Limit of 20 years of aggregate government service in elected or appointed positions, minus 5 years for each vote for, signature of, execution of, or improper adjudication of a law that violates the Constitution.
Seems like it makes sense
Lawmakers would pay even more attention if passing an unconstitutional “law” is treason and subject to military tribunal. And the downside is we get to remove the treasonous politicians. I don’t see a downside.
I like the cut of your jib!!
Politicians being held responsible... A good start would be removing all their separate bun unequal perks like a separate Social security type program, their own health care, diplo plates that allow them to go 90 and not get a traffic ticket. They have voted themselves all sorts of things that have conditioned them to be scofflaws...those might just as well be treason.
True. An oath to the NWO or a foreign power or foreign entity is treason. They are the ones subverting the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-law
Pretty crystal clear to me😊
I think so. This Congress is as illegitimate as the Biden Administration. The 2020 election must be entirely decertified.
No, because a politicians job isn't to know the constitution inside out and uphold it - even though they should. That's generally the supreme court's job. What politicians do is to push forward whatever law (or amendments, or revision of previous laws, etc) the populace wants them to, so that's what they do - which may or may not end up being unconstitutional in nature or interpretation. As you may have noticed, that's what a lot of political campaigning and rallies revolves around: talking shit about what laws they would pass or would cancel.
This is a loaded question and it's biased bullshit. I mean this respectfully because I understand it may or may not be your supposition, as I've seen a lot of misguided people parroting this around for years and years.
Politicians don't take oaths to uphold the constitution?
Wrong. Politicians are sworn in to protect the constitution before every term. Passing an unconstitutional law = failure to protect the constitution = treason. The American public should not suffer because politicians can’t take the time to read the constitution.
Also, how can legislation like Obamacare stand that was ONLY passed because of LIES?
This means any lie can be told to pass anything and there’s no recourse.
Not to mention so many are lawyers!
When they pass an unconstitutional law the should be executed. They’d pay attention then.
I am NOT in favor of a CON CON...because that's what took place in the 1780's that ended up in the coup that replaced the Articles of Confederation with our current Constitution and led us directly to where we are now...with a massive FEDERAL Government entity hell bent on tyranny at the behest of globalist satan worshippers! Don't be fooled friends...we are here because of our current Constitution, not in spite of it!
That being said, we must work with what we have and I am of the mind another CON CON would lead us straight to dictatorship...which in essence is where we are now. But we can strengthen our present Constitution in the direction of freedom through the amendment process. In saying this, I am indirectly trying to make the point that our current Constitution is weak by design. Anyone who's read the "Anti-Federalist Papers," would understand that those Anti-Federalists were against our Constitution for a reason (many reasons actually) and everything they predicted...especially when it came to the abuse of our court system has come to pass. They were not prophets, they were just Truth Tellers who understood the dangers of Centralized, Top-Down Government...which is what our current Constitution gave us!
There are 2 major areas that our current Constitution is weak, but these areas deal with ideas that are so important...and the weakness is in the way the language is written. It's the language...the way our Constitution is written that's allowing for the abuse we see in government to the point our government is now basically a lawless Banana Republic.
The first area of weakness is in the fact that there's obviously NO TEETH in the proper application of "Oath Taking" where the Constitution is concerned. I have been floating out the idea for years that if an elected official who takes an oath to our Constitution and then summarily violates that oath either through, for example, introducing legislation that is anti-Constitution or supports legislation that's anti-Constitution, that person needs to be brough up on charges of high-treason and if found guilty...executed. Or...in the same vein, if say a sheriff (who must also take an oath to our Constitution) is found, through his metering out law enforcement, to be violating his oath of office...well the same legal procedure needs to be followed as was applied to the congress critter laid out above. In other words, if (and it matters not your capacity), you violate your oath of office...you will be arrested, tried and if found guilty...get capital punishment. There needs to be an amendment to our Constitution that makes violating your oath of office a capital offense because, as we have seen, the damage to liberty and lives lost by people who routinely violate their oath is incalculable.
The second area is that of the Second Amendment. Whenever I read the language that makes up our Second Amendment I have always asked myself...how in the hell did they come up with that mess! You mean to tell me there's no better, more to the point, less wordy way to say to our government..."Keep your ever-fucking hands off any and all my firearms and ammo!!! I can use whatever means I want to defend myself from you pricks in DC!" Now I understand the language was more "flowery" back then, but for goodness sake! We need to change the wording of the Second Amendment to simply state, the Federal Government has absolutely NO AUTHORITY to prohibit any citizen (over the age of whatever) of the United States from owning, possessing, or using any and all means available to him/her in self-defense of governmental tyranny! Straight, to the point, easy to understand and it has NO DAMN WIGGLE ROOM that our courts and law enforcement can hang us with! Shit, there's probably and even better, more succinct way of saying it...but the case is still the same...the reason we have so many gun laws is because the language of the 2nd Amendment allows too much room for "other interpretations." In fact...that the Founders put wording about the militia into the language of the Second Amendment...it blows my mind that we still have our guns!
There are other areas as well...like term limits and dealing with the fucking Commerce Clause...but enough said...
It means that you have idiots in Congress who don't know the Constitution, or they are Communists and are trying to pull a fast one over the country.
Would criminal penalties and excommunication for not upholding their oaths as evidenced by voting for, signing, executing, and improperly adjudicating unconstitutional laws help get rid of bad members of Congress?
There is a process for removing a person from Congress. Every 2 years a Representative can be removed, and every 6 years a Senator can be removed. Unfortunately it takes a well informed electorate to pull the correct level in order to remove a scoundrel from office. The individual houses of Congress can remove a member by 2/3s vote. https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/expulsion.htm
How about those politicians who take the oath of office to protect and defend the constitution and then turn around and write legislation to implement gun control or other unconstitutional laws? The very act of trying to undermine the constitution should be considered treason and that politician brought up on charges.
It absolutely is, but violating an oath or duty isn't against the law. In a representative government, it is left to the people to excommunicate them, their peers to impeach them, etc. A fact that will surprise nobody is that the people in government spend a lot of time making laws that protect THEMSELVES, few have the character to pass laws they may ever be in danger of violating.
Add to this the complication/loophole that the Constitution is a living document, that changes and is re-interpreted regularly, and it's tough to get a rope on anyone for anything. They are taking full advantage of this now.
Until The People take back the power of the Grand Jury, and enforce their control over the government, as originally established, it will never happen. Government will never police government, as our Founding Fathers knew and planned for with a government that had limited power through a constitution from The People.
America needs a refresher in individual liberty, self-rule, and servant government.
You all seem to have missed a basic civics class.
Each branch of government is balanced by the others. The legislature is free to pass bills that are later pronounced by the courts as being unconstitutional without their having been in violation of the constitution. It's a checks and balances thing.
There are two Constitutions. They have been abiding the one very few know of, hence the destruction of the one many do know.
Rabbit hole opened. Dive.
Was a day that we just took fools like that and hanged them.
ya. whole fuckin things a joke these days
It's not the job of the legislature to determine what is constitutional and what is not. It's the job of the supreme court.
O yes it is. That is why there is an oath of office. This comes down to intent. Scotus is merely meant as a fail-safe
Set in a graph any representative, any senator, any governor, any president, and first consider yourself what you deem is constitutional. Then compare to what the Scotus holds to be constitutional. You' ll be amazed for two reasons:
Your equity is totally irrelevant since November '99.
Is it not interesting that the final say would be those who are beholden to a private City of London based temple?
And you want to continue this farce?
Hey now that’s making sense. Drink more fluoride and watch more TV.
No.
We absolutely need repercussions for government tyrants. They oppress with impunity, that must change.