The war on cows is a war on us. Meat consumption is correlated with reduced heart disease.
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It is also correlated to an increase in intelligence, and a meat based diet like Adkins or paleo can reduce body weight and reverse type II diabetes. Unnatural sugars like refined from sugar cane, sugar beets and corn are poison to the human system. We did not evolve on that kind of foods. We did not evolve on white flour. Anything that turns directly to sugar should be avoided, and meat fills the stomach helping kill that constant craving for sugar.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/
Carnivore diet, meat, eggs, little dairy, water is the healthiest way to live.
No carbs? What if someone works out?
I lift 4 days a week and have never experienced such an explosion in strength, growth of muscle mass, energy, and overall health until I switched up my diet, adding in more fats, keeping protein high, and much less carbs. I eat very little carbs now, and when I do it’s typically just a couple slices of lower carb bread, fruit, or honey.
My diet primarily consists of ribeye (or NY Strip) steaks, lamb burgers, bison burgers, pasture raised eggs, cheese (goat cheese is amazing), dairy, grass fed butter, grass fed ghee, fruit, honey, mushrooms, MCT oil, and once in awhile potatoes. I get almost everything from local farmers markets.
But if grandma makes one of them delicious pies for a special occasion, you can bet your ass I’m eating it.
nice ! I think i'll try out that diet.
I envy you. I used to eat 2 ribeyes/week + burgers and a little chicken. Plus butter, cheese, all the good stuff. Until last year when I almost got called home for a 95% blocked right coronal artery. 2 stents, 25 lbs, and a year later, I'm running the equivalent of 6 X 5Ks per week and lifting. But now I'm eating mostly grains, veggies and fruits with a little turkey and one modest serving of beef per week - I get 4 servings outta 16 oz ribeye now, not one. Unfortunately not everyone can stick to an Adkins like diet. As much as I'd like it, my genetics don't.
No bonk on carnivore. Glucogenisis from protein keeps your liver stoked. Get a look at Dr. Shawn Baker. Studly in his 50s.
Gluconeogenesis. But on keto, this is synthesized from protein for your brain health primarily, as your brain requires glucose.
Quick edit: It seems to me that I am the resident keto simp, as I always seem to be there when someone mentions keto even tangentially. Oops!
He is quite studly... and can we prove this is because he is carnivore? Would he not be as study if he was keto? Or Paleo? I think most of the studliness comes from his workout habits. He certainly looks his age, if not older.
TL;DR: There are gives and takes, but a zero carb diet that is done properly still has all the tools available that they need. It's not necessarily the best, but a lot of people see incredible results. But you can also achieve incredible results with carb cycling or timing. Ignore below if uninterested.
On a zero carb diet, e.g. keto which is what Atkin's is (Atkin's is basically a beginner friendly, less focused keto diet that is formulated to make it easy for people to understand without having to macro) you generate glucose for your brain via gluconeogenesis.
Carbs can help for bulking and, also importantly healing but aren't necessary.
Bodybuilders have been building off of a balanced diet from fats, proteins and carbs for decades. It's fine. We get carbs from almost every food we eat naturally unless we specifically try to avoid them.
However, you can be smart with timing your carbs (e.g. a slower metabolizing more complex carbohydrate 30 minutes before a workout, or a fast metabolizing carbohydrate like refined sugar just before) to achieve great bulking and faster healing.
Carbohydrates release insulin which helps guide all the good shit to your cells. If you do it right, more of that good shit goes into repairing (and therefore strengthening) your muscles instead of fat.
Too many carbs can cause too much of a release of insulin, which plays havoc on your body and is well known to increase inflammation, which can worsen underlying -- or even known -- conditions.
This is why people with back pain have reported much more manageable pain and freedom when switching to a keto focused diet. It has also helped women with a certain kind of inflammation disorder that I am apparently too tired to remember as I am not a woman.
Edit: Endometriosis. Keto reduces insulin and estrogen, which aids in helping to control this disorder.
Additional benefits of a keto diet is the explosion of energy once you get into ketosis. You're burning fat directly for energy and this is huge. I almost literally bounced off the walls for 3 days straight the first time I went zero carb. I couldn't sleep or channel enough of my energy.
On the flip side, our metabolism is a furnace.
You can turn your metabolism into overdrive by carb cycling intelligently. You can go high protein, low carb one day, mid both another day, then high protein some carbs the next, and after that blast your metabolism with a high carb low protein day.
TL;DR for those who skimmed past the TL;DR at the top
So ultimately, there are a lot of ways you can harness your body for big bulking and big fat burning. The carbs don't really matter -- if you use them right -- unless you are specifically aiming for ketosis, at which point you want to get as close to 0g net carbs as you can. But in ketosis, you synthesize everything you need from protein too. Inflammation is consistently lower in ketosis for most people, which can improve your motivation and physical ability to work out, which yields great results.
Additional edit: Don't take anything I say at face value. Do your own research. Experiment. Ask questions. You'll come away with a lot more information and knowledge than you did before and you might find some balance or approach that really suits your genetics.
Damn I hope I covered everything. I'm tired.
Good info. Should be a post in and of itself. Thanks!
I recently lost 27lbs by reducing carb intake
I wake up more alert too.
Check out what Jordan Peterson has to say.
Expensive diet though. All beef.
I need to gain mass as a weight lifter. Not sure how easy that is without carbs
Tune in Dr Anthony Chaffee on YT. He will be your answer.
What do you mean by that?
Its not food. Its what food eats.
Edit: I love the downvote. My food poops on your food too. Kek!
Maybe. That's a universal statement. I don't believe that is true for everyone. Would be difficult to prove it is the healthiest way to live. If you look at the amazon review page for "the carnivore code" by Saladino, the top critical review knocks it out of the park. These guys haven't been doing it long enough. They're positions can pivot dramatically. I wouldn't trust that. Carnivore gives you the benefits of keto. To say ZERO vegetables should be eaten? Sure veggies have some bad stuff in them... what doesn't? They also have very beneficial stuff in them too. Most often the good outweighs the bad. I'll stick with keto.
It’s easy to disprove.
Go look at what tribal people eat. There’s plenty of vegetables in their diet. The only tribal people that subsist on near pure protein diets are eskimos, and even they eat seaweed.
Now, where they have a point is the mass cultivation of vegetables that don’t exist in nature. Could be something there - maybe those are not as nutritious as wild varieties, or perhaps are even harmful (eg cause inflammation) in some way.
Or perhaps genetic differences in how people absorb food and metabolize nutrients play a role in the effects of certain foods on your body. There is no absolute best, just a best for you.
I would agree that people eat too many carbs though, you can do away with almost all carbs in your diet and be just fine.
It’s certainly complicated, there’s no universal answer.
About three months into carnivore. More strict about it as the weeks go by. At present not eating any veggies and no carbohydrates. The more pure my diet the better I feel. I'm 80 and the things that were bothering me are all going into remission. Many carnivores have been into it for over a decade and their condition speaks for itself. Dr. Anthony Chaffee (neuro surgeon) is a good example but there are many men and many women.
All true. In addition, seed oils are probably worse for you than sugar or flour.
Once I saw the "how it's made" on seed oils, I was expecting "Press the seeds, filter out any chunks that made it through" and thought the machines were kinda cool.
Then it goes to "But that only extracts 70% of the oil." The process after seems more in line with what you would expect if extracting the gasoline from crude oil.
Sugar and flour are just simple and empty carbs at the end of the day. Zero nutritional value (though bread making can add some) but can be powerful if used by someone who knows how to use it.
Not detrimental in moderation.
Seed oils aren't as simple as cold pressed oils either, so I'm pretty sure you're correct.
Corn syrups (so, concentrated sugars from corn) are most likely the largest contributor to the world's obesity problem, as it is startling what people add high fructose corn syrup to.
Turns out when you take fat out of everything, there's no flavor. This is why everything has corn syrup in it.
I haven't tried it yet, but apparently the keto diet is pretty good too. No refined sugars, low carbs, and getting the body to run on fat instead of carbs and whatever other bullshit the government tries to trick us into believing is what is good for us.
You might want to look into Dr Eric Westman and Dr Ken Berry to start keto. Good luck to you.
Thanks for the advice, but I'll forget it in 5 minutes.
Going to keep this as slim as possible since I already wrote a novel:
It's not about refined vs unrefined sugars. In the blood, all carbohydrates break down to simple glucose. Refined sugars just do that faster.
Net carbs being as low as possible matters. Simple formula is carbohydrates minus fiber as we cannot properly break down and digest fiber (mostly).
If you consume too many carbs, your body releases insulin. Insulin's function is to carry important nutrients and energies to fat cells/muscles.
To enter ketosis, you cannot have an insulin release. Insulin kicks you out of ketosis.
When under ketosis, ketones essentially perform the function of insulin, but you are burning fat instead of efficiently delivering carbohydrates and calories to fat cells. Your body synthesizes important glucose that your brain requires from gluconeogenesis, which is synthesizing glucose from protein.
Even on a confident 0g net carb keto diet, it's still important to monitor your macros because too much protein can cause too much glucose to be synthesized which will cause an insulin release and kick you out of ketosis.
Ketosis takes time for your body to adapt itself into, and absolutely no time at all to shrug off.
Obligatory side note: If you are prediabetic or diabetic, consult with a reputable physician before going into ketosis, as some are confident that this can cause keto acidosis, which is an entirely different condition.
Fun fact though: Diabetics have become asymptomatic when under ketosis. Turns out that prescribing all these medications and telling the patient to eat a candy bar may not be the best way to solve diabetic symptoms. Go figure.
I'm not surprised that the "food pyramid" is complete bullshit, because considering how long our species has been around, we haven't been farming for long. I feel like not including GMO food species, we each too much man-made stuff that isn't found in nature.
This is more due to the state of Ketosis which is present in those diets, than it is inherently to those diets themselves.
Nothing wrong with an Atkins/Paleo diet, but you're attributing the benefits of Ketosis to those diets instead of the direct attribute of Ketosis.
Nope it's not. I don't do ketosis but I eat a ton of meat and eggs but also tons of carbs to sustain my weight lifting regimen. Excellent insulin sensitivity.
For starters, you're just blatantly ignoring science with your, "nope it's not" remark.
But regardless, if you're doing a lot of physical exercise, then your ability to eat carbohydrates and remain in a state of ketosis (or going in and out of ketosis) is increased. Glucose can be stored in muscle throughout your body, and is depleted especially during anaerobic exercises such as weight lifting.
At a bare minimum, you're going in and out of ketosis if you're on something such as an Atkins or Paleo diet. If you're very active, it's likely that you're very frequently in a state of ketosis.
Oh, and the notion that you need to be eating carbs to, "sustain your weight lifting regimen" is ill founded - your body can make all the glucose it wants through Gluconeogenesis.
If you care to better educate yourself on the topic, here are some excellent resources which break down actual science and studies related to the matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfR6bAXr-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHaCKudtVi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxIssabhTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4Q9Iv7_Ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMBm-UVdII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFT2IKmwyfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7zWNabebxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOP_HKeazU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfZvnV4v50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eefgRVi7Ko
I've done keto, and I've done the restricted diets of paleo, and Adkins. To get into ketosis and stay there is very difficult.
The other two diets don't even try to take you that far. You are still burning glucose, and your blood sugar will flucuate with how well you have limited your intake of the wrong foods. I don't believe you ever actually get into ketosis on those diets. I am type II diabetic, and I keep a pretty close eye on what I can eat and what I cannot. I don't stay in a great range all the time, but I know what foods are causing the problems when I go off the farm.
Look into Intermittent Fasting. My husband is doing both keto & intermittent fasting and its reducing his blood sugar levels. Also are you doing keto correctly? It needs to be high fat, moderate protein. Too much protein and it is converted into sugar (gluconeogenesis). We did too much protein at first and that did not work for us. Doing keto & IF brought both husband's A1C down and got him off his blood pressure medications.
Any time my blood sugar tops 130 I don't eat for 24 hours. It takes it right down. I fasted three days to get into my current cycle. I have gone as long as five days.
People that do not fast do not understand what it can do for their sugar levels or their weight.
I am not trying to stay on a keto diet. My doctor had told me that she guarantees that a paleo diet will take most people's blood sugar down to good levels. She was right.
Also use the right kinds of fats. Do not do vegetable oils like sunflower, canola, safflower. The best fats are Pork Lard, Duck Fat, Chicken Fat, Beef Tallow and for uncooked oil like salad oils you can use Olive Oil. Organic butter by pasture raised cows also and Coconut oil.
Please research amd consider adding Gymnema Sylvestre to your diet. It is considered nature's metformin and in India, the name of this plants translates to "Sugar Destroyer".
That's not even remotely true. It's simply the state of your body using fat for energy (ketone bodies) as opposed to glucose. That happens whenever you limit carbohydrate intakes.
Sure, but they are both fairly low carb diets. An atkins diet is explicitly such, as you're almost exclusively eating meat. Atkins diets will always result in a state of ketosis, and most applications of paleo limit carbs where you will be in and out of ketosis depending on exactly what you choose to eat.
I don't believe you understand what ketosis actually is. You should really check these resources out - they break down studies and actual science on the topics we're discussing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfR6bAXr-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHaCKudtVi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxIssabhTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4Q9Iv7_Ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMBm-UVdII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFT2IKmwyfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7zWNabebxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOP_HKeazU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfZvnV4v50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eefgRVi7Ko
I highly recommend Dr Eric Westman and Dr Ken Berry. Dr Berry was type II diabetic and put it into remission. Instead of a diet, (going on and off a way of eating) one needs to change their way of eating. A lifestyle change for the rest of their life. That is where the sustaining starts. Changing the thoughts about food and relationship with it. Food is fuel for our bodies, not a reward or comfort, or a way to avoid a situation. Food is fuel.
My son's favorite saying about diet, "eat to live not live to eat".
Right now I am controlled. This mornings blood sugar 101, which is a good day for me, but the highest days had gotten to double that before I changed my ways.