I wouldn't get to excited - while western values had seeped into a handful of the large cosmopolitan cities in Iran the prevailing culture in the rural areas most of which were poor and backwards was deeply hostile to western secular values and the Shahs reforms - especially in economic terms were deeply unpopular. He needed a far more conservative program. Some middle eastern rulers have changed their nations for the better - King Hussein in Jordan. Sultan Qabos in Oman. The Assad regime in Syria had succeeded in keeping a lid on his countries internal issues - partly by playing his anti-American cards.
We may not like the Islamic revolution in Iran or the regime there but there is a very good reason the shahs government fell.
It's much the same in the United States - many of the people from the hinter land care little for the cosmopolitan values of the coastal elites.
Islamic civilisation and western civilisation are fundamentally different. Americans in particular do struggle with this notion. I knew many people of many nationalities who worked in Iraq as contractors - Brits, Aussies, South Africans and Pakistanis and most of them came back with stories of the chaos in large part caused by a lack of understanding. Freedom and democracy and all these cherished American ideas mean nothing to Arabs. Arabs respect strength. Arabs are incredibly "clannish" in their behaviour - the order of western society is very alien to them. Haranguing them or wanting to "get down to business" offends their custom. Americans live in a continental civilisation 2 oceans away from the rest of the world, Americans find Europeans strange even though most of them come from here. Islamic or Orthodox civilisation are very alien. It's geography and its history.
Over all though I would say the Islamic world has changed in the last 100+ years and in many ways not for the better and the west is not innocent in this with support for Israel and the corrupt regime in KSA and with an endless series of wars, coups, repressions and the "lines on the map" drawn by diplomats at the end of the great war and in some cases - the end of colonial rule was harmful - Egypt for example has not ruled itself domestically since the Iron age and gained independence in 1952 to a raving lunatic like Nasser. Egypt is an entirely fucked up and dysfunctional country which could become one of the worlds largest humanitarian disasters.
If you read Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E Lawrence when he was fighting the Turks the middle east seemed more cosmopolitan than it is today. There was more variation in caste and sect and while there was fighting between groups there was a big stick (the Ottomans) to put it down. The "right of guests" actually meant something and a foreigner could feel safe knowing he was above the pettiness of the Arabs and their family squabbles. Now - there are many places a westerner would not be safe.
In the early 90s 60 minutes did a segment on young Iranian culture. Everyone they interviewed spoke English and they were educated. All spoke of loving American culture and dress. They said they liked wearing blue jeans too.
They wanted us to know they were more like us than we will ever know.
And then Bill Clinton broke the Horn of the Caspian region. Perpetual war would begin.
Most have been scrubbed but there's still a few photos on the internet of Arab women in the 60s and 70s. Mini skirts, high heels, cute hairstyles. It wasn't until that Ayatollah in the late 70s that everything changed for them.
In the protocols it says they will use all the goym religions as a method of control. Until their king is seated in Israel and crowned. At that point all other religions will be outlawed and only theirs will be permitted.
I went to Uni in the UK with a lovely Iranian girl this was in the 80's and she told how they went from dressing in western clothes to full on Islamonutter overnight. Gangs of men would patrol and pour acid in the faces of women not covered.
Religion of peace my fat arse
I know several Iranians and as my eldest daughter says they are ridiculously good looking. I just want ALL Iranians set free. They are also smart and have so much to contribute to the world at large if given their freedom. GO IRAN. I am praying with you.
Women in Iran have more balls than DJT. With no weapons and threat of death, they stand defiant against all odds! May God be on their side and strengthen the backbone of the men in Iran to protect them!
Of course not..
I just get what this guy is saying. We all love Trump, he’s brave, he’s a badass. But, what that girl did is akin to Trump showing up in New York/San Francisco with no SS and give a huge MAGA speech bashing Obama, bashing Fauci, bashing the election and bragging about Roe being turned over.
DJT has been threatened while in power, Constantly, both physically and legally.
I think that there have been several assassination attempts including a missile fired towards AF1. No, I can't prove it, but do you think his job was physically safe because I don't. The job of a president isn't physically safe, especially a president who takes on the establishment - See JFK.
If you really believe what you said, then stop and think for a minute.
If you don't believe what you said, then stop agitating!
How am I agitating equating them to Trump. They don’t have the protection Trump has and still they stand in the line of fire. Nothing against Trump but they are brave.
If you look at the stats, being a president is very highly dangerous. Haven't 3 been assassinated? (I'm British, was it Lincoln, McKinley and JFK?)
3 out of 45 is terrible odds. If you think of it another way, I guess only maybe 6 presidents were seriously bucking the system and the three assassinated were among them, So perhaps the assassination rate is 3/6 or 50% for presidents like Trump/
So despite being protected, presidents have a much higher numerical risk of dying than Iranian women protesters. I think this goes especially for Trump who is the biggest danger the establishment have ever faced.
Evidently you don't know why the women in Iran are protesting. A 22 year old woman was arrested by the "moral Police" and beaten to death for not wearing her head dress. I disagree and I believe if you look at the human rights of the Iranian people, it takes a set of brass ones to defy the controlling party! Unlike the USA, we have guns to defend ourselves. These women have nothing for protection. They are murdered everyday!
A 22 year old woman was arrested by the "moral Police"
Yes, I believe her name was Mehda Amini.
I was just talking about the odds of death per person and pointing out being president is taking a huge personal risk of death, greater per person than a protester unless there is a massacre like Tianenman square.
it takes a set of brass ones to defy the controlling party!
Hmm idk. This seems like a slippery slope. Next they'll be demanding the right to vote and before you know it, pedophilia will be normalized in Iran. They need to reestablish their theocracy and put women back where they belong: in the kitchen with the headscarf on.
Of course, my remarks are obviously satire. They deserve freedom same as any other human. The Bill of Rights really is human rights and we don't get to pick and choose which ones are convenient based on our personal preferences or fallacious thinking.
Persian, predominant ethnic group of Iran (formerly known as Persia). Although of diverse ancestry, the Persian people are united by their language, Persian (Farsi), which belongs to the Indo-Iranian group of the Indo-European language family. (Dari, a variant of the Persian language, is the lingua franca and an official language of Afghanistan and is also spoken in Pakistan.)
Finally. Let those beautiful women breathe.
I miss them in bikinis:(
So is the CIA
I wouldn't get to excited - while western values had seeped into a handful of the large cosmopolitan cities in Iran the prevailing culture in the rural areas most of which were poor and backwards was deeply hostile to western secular values and the Shahs reforms - especially in economic terms were deeply unpopular. He needed a far more conservative program. Some middle eastern rulers have changed their nations for the better - King Hussein in Jordan. Sultan Qabos in Oman. The Assad regime in Syria had succeeded in keeping a lid on his countries internal issues - partly by playing his anti-American cards.
We may not like the Islamic revolution in Iran or the regime there but there is a very good reason the shahs government fell.
It's much the same in the United States - many of the people from the hinter land care little for the cosmopolitan values of the coastal elites.
Islamic civilisation and western civilisation are fundamentally different. Americans in particular do struggle with this notion. I knew many people of many nationalities who worked in Iraq as contractors - Brits, Aussies, South Africans and Pakistanis and most of them came back with stories of the chaos in large part caused by a lack of understanding. Freedom and democracy and all these cherished American ideas mean nothing to Arabs. Arabs respect strength. Arabs are incredibly "clannish" in their behaviour - the order of western society is very alien to them. Haranguing them or wanting to "get down to business" offends their custom. Americans live in a continental civilisation 2 oceans away from the rest of the world, Americans find Europeans strange even though most of them come from here. Islamic or Orthodox civilisation are very alien. It's geography and its history.
Over all though I would say the Islamic world has changed in the last 100+ years and in many ways not for the better and the west is not innocent in this with support for Israel and the corrupt regime in KSA and with an endless series of wars, coups, repressions and the "lines on the map" drawn by diplomats at the end of the great war and in some cases - the end of colonial rule was harmful - Egypt for example has not ruled itself domestically since the Iron age and gained independence in 1952 to a raving lunatic like Nasser. Egypt is an entirely fucked up and dysfunctional country which could become one of the worlds largest humanitarian disasters.
If you read Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E Lawrence when he was fighting the Turks the middle east seemed more cosmopolitan than it is today. There was more variation in caste and sect and while there was fighting between groups there was a big stick (the Ottomans) to put it down. The "right of guests" actually meant something and a foreigner could feel safe knowing he was above the pettiness of the Arabs and their family squabbles. Now - there are many places a westerner would not be safe.
Now time to shed and burn the masks...
In the early 90s 60 minutes did a segment on young Iranian culture. Everyone they interviewed spoke English and they were educated. All spoke of loving American culture and dress. They said they liked wearing blue jeans too.
They wanted us to know they were more like us than we will ever know.
And then Bill Clinton broke the Horn of the Caspian region. Perpetual war would begin.
Most have been scrubbed but there's still a few photos on the internet of Arab women in the 60s and 70s. Mini skirts, high heels, cute hairstyles. It wasn't until that Ayatollah in the late 70s that everything changed for them.
All the Iranians I know referred to themselves as Persian.
**Sidebar, doing business/negotiating with Persians is like pulling teeth.
That is so funny because I was just saying this yesterday, back in college a couple guys I worked with were "Persian" & I didn't know what that was.
Fun Fact: Freddie Mercury of Queen was born in Iran and always described himself as "Persian" in bios and interviews
Yup. EVERY Iranian person I have met has called themselves Persian, lol.
Funny how all the clown controlled nations have something similar. Extreme dictatorship, are they beta testing for the rest of the world ?
In the protocols it says they will use all the goym religions as a method of control. Until their king is seated in Israel and crowned. At that point all other religions will be outlawed and only theirs will be permitted.
Was going to say this myself.
Iran looked like an episode of That Girl back b4 the Western backed "revolution".
Interesting analogy. Particularly because Marlo Thomas' father was Lebanese.
When the C_A Regime-changed the Shah out and this Mullah nightmare in. you mean?
I went to Uni in the UK with a lovely Iranian girl this was in the 80's and she told how they went from dressing in western clothes to full on Islamonutter overnight. Gangs of men would patrol and pour acid in the faces of women not covered. Religion of peace my fat arse
I follow amateur wrestling and they have a great freestyle wrestling team.
I know several Iranians and as my eldest daughter says they are ridiculously good looking. I just want ALL Iranians set free. They are also smart and have so much to contribute to the world at large if given their freedom. GO IRAN. I am praying with you.
But progressives all told me the hijab was empowering 🤔
If they think it's empowering they should wear it themselves 24/7 and never take it off.
Aren't the face diapers emulating that?
(I'm joking, i chuckled at your comment pretty good.)
No that's correct too. They should wear both and see if they feel "empowered" and "free" after that.
Women in Iran have more balls than DJT. With no weapons and threat of death, they stand defiant against all odds! May God be on their side and strengthen the backbone of the men in Iran to protect them!
The US military who is acting as one coherent group, armed to the fucking teeth.
Of course not.. I just get what this guy is saying. We all love Trump, he’s brave, he’s a badass. But, what that girl did is akin to Trump showing up in New York/San Francisco with no SS and give a huge MAGA speech bashing Obama, bashing Fauci, bashing the election and bragging about Roe being turned over.
DJT has been threatened while in power, Constantly, both physically and legally.
I think that there have been several assassination attempts including a missile fired towards AF1. No, I can't prove it, but do you think his job was physically safe because I don't. The job of a president isn't physically safe, especially a president who takes on the establishment - See JFK.
If you really believe what you said, then stop and think for a minute. If you don't believe what you said, then stop agitating!
Those Iranian women are brave! Very brave.
How am I agitating equating them to Trump. They don’t have the protection Trump has and still they stand in the line of fire. Nothing against Trump but they are brave.
Some people are doing exactly what Q warned them against...
If you look at the stats, being a president is very highly dangerous. Haven't 3 been assassinated? (I'm British, was it Lincoln, McKinley and JFK?)
3 out of 45 is terrible odds. If you think of it another way, I guess only maybe 6 presidents were seriously bucking the system and the three assassinated were among them, So perhaps the assassination rate is 3/6 or 50% for presidents like Trump/
So despite being protected, presidents have a much higher numerical risk of dying than Iranian women protesters. I think this goes especially for Trump who is the biggest danger the establishment have ever faced.
Evidently you don't know why the women in Iran are protesting. A 22 year old woman was arrested by the "moral Police" and beaten to death for not wearing her head dress. I disagree and I believe if you look at the human rights of the Iranian people, it takes a set of brass ones to defy the controlling party! Unlike the USA, we have guns to defend ourselves. These women have nothing for protection. They are murdered everyday!
Yes, I believe her name was Mehda Amini.
I was just talking about the odds of death per person and pointing out being president is taking a huge personal risk of death, greater per person than a protester unless there is a massacre like Tianenman square.
No contest, they are braver than I am!
Braver than me too! I hope they overthrow the regime in Iran. They are controlled by someone like the Cabal. Keeping the peasants in line!
Sorry I was so impolite earlier, We're on the same page I think
Lol, you got down voted. Some ppl can’t see through nuance.
Some people can’t see the forest for the trees.
Your rietard
Why’s august 28th underlined in the q post? It has nothing to do with the article, right?
don't look at Ukraine ! don't look at Ukraine ! don't look at Ukraine ! don't look at Ukraine !
Hopefully God will set all his people free soon.
I want to go back to the days when Iranian women were fucking hot, and not because they woke up and wrapped up in a black sheet.
Well, looking at some of the Republicans that have been in the White House, I'm not sure that it necessarily makes a difference. 🤔
Hmm idk. This seems like a slippery slope. Next they'll be demanding the right to vote and before you know it, pedophilia will be normalized in Iran. They need to reestablish their theocracy and put women back where they belong: in the kitchen with the headscarf on.
Of course, my remarks are obviously satire. They deserve freedom same as any other human. The Bill of Rights really is human rights and we don't get to pick and choose which ones are convenient based on our personal preferences or fallacious thinking.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Persian
Still wearing a mask🙄
They will all going to get their heads chopped off.
Reminds me of the tiananmen square pic of the dude in front of the tank.
**has anyone else noticed the flame is behind the trees?
As they wear their covid mask. S Does that remind you of anything? Reminds me of the paid protest here.
That post is the 28th of August. How is that a delta??