If you read down into the comments, you will see a guy questioning this reporters reasons to have stayed in the area while the S&R teams were trying to do their jobs and this reporter & helicopter were getting in the way, then reporting that they were helping show S&R where the downed plane was.
Here's where the commenter suggests the reporter was in the wrong -
Interesting that the Flight Aware flight track shows it disappearing from ADS-B "radar" at a high altitude, and it was suddenly in a descent of 8000 FPM just before dropping off ADS-B. (Career planefag here BTW) If the pilot was incapacitated from a loss of pressurization and then ran out of fuel, as one thing I read stated, the descent would have been more gradual for a time. If the pilot was suddenly incapacitated (died suddenly), he could have slumped over the yoke pushing it forward causing autopilot to be disengaged and then the sudden rapid descent. If it got into a high stress situation from the rapid descent, it could have broken up in flight and the ADS-B equipment would have stopped broadcasting, but even at that, there would have been a longer time period before the ADS-B stopped reporting. Very strange.
A small engine aircraft shouldn't have turned into a small burned spot with no wreckage. In my opinion that indicates a mid-air break up. What breaks up a plane in mid-air? A missile would.
That's what happens when a pilot suffers heart attack heading over water and the passenger female runs to the steering wheel and turns it back toward land. She didnt know how to use other instruments or talk to fighter pilots who saw her screaming to them from the window. They knew the plane was coming down. They decided best to blow it up to cause least death to people below. What a nightmare for the military pilot to have to keep this to himself
if it broke up in the air, there should be more than one impact site. missile attack does not seem like a logical explanation to me.
we know the deep state has much more subtle methods of downing planes. You could be right, but right now the official story sounds more plausible than a missile to me.
The flares are a bit of an odd detail though. If they had shot a missile or missiles and they wanted to hide it, a flares excuse could work to throw any eyewitness accounts into doubt.
i hate to say it, but the official explanation makes more sense than that. crash site is very small and contained, not consistent with debris from an air to air missile.
to me it looks more like a normal crash site that's been scoured and torched..
Ill agree that the plane crashed and it wasnt shot down. There is debris at the site including metal and what looks like a leather bag of some sort if we are to believe the pics in the tweet are genuine.
The possibility that it was remotely piloted still exists. The family of the NRA official being on it ups the weirdness factor. The loop over its destination and return by a nearly reciprocal flight path over Washington puts the lie to the passed out pilot talk. Sonic booms are loud and do shake the ground but was there really a need to go supersonic? You would only do so if you were in a trailing position with tens of miles between craft and by that time the Cessna should have been long gone from the area of the WH, the danger passed, which is the reason to scramble in the first place.
The photos are highly suspicious. Modern airframes are built to handle incredible levels of stress. The debris from the crash looks far more like a craft that was shot down with an air to air missile than one that crashed "normally". A normal crash would leave much larger pieces of wreckage based on my experience.
However, I would invite any planefags to correct me here.
EDIT: A fellow pede wisely pointed out that if the craft was shot down, we'd see a much wider, more scattered debris field. So either the plane somehow disintegrated on impact, or these photos are completely contrived. But again, I'll defer to any planefags on here that can correct me. Just odd to me to see a crash result in such tiny fragments given the engineering involved.
if an air to air missile vaporized the plane in the air, it would be spread out over a very large area. if the missile didn't vaporize it and only destroyed half, there would be an impact site with half a plane.
if i had to make a wild guess... it looks kindof like a normal crash site that has been combed for evidence and torched.
that seems a bit far fetched too, though. but possible if someone were determined enough
That is a very distinct posibilty. I think we may be looking at a blackhat false flag operation to try to blame Trump or the anons for an attack since the planes owner was associated with Trump. If that is the case the military would certainly be justified in taking it down.
Thinking about DUMBs gives me the creeps let alone if/ when they're "officially" revealed to the public.
Last summer I was up around 1:30-2am in Michigan and there was a massive (and I mean massive) boom that I can only think of as being an explosion. It was so loud that it shook my entire house -- I don't scare easily but man was I freaked out. Ive never heard such a loud boom before. Definitely Creeped me out more thinking that there's a DUMB near and below me.
Ive heard sonic booms out over Lake Superior when I was at Tech in the 80s and K.I. Sawyer was still open. They are loud and they do shake the ground even from miles away. But its illegal to go supersonic over the continental US land mass unless they have a damn good reason.
You are correct. The craft was a Cessna Citation with a max speed of 446 ktas which is approximately 513 mph. The speed required to create a sonic boom is 761 mph.
What with all the internet noise created from the military intelligence whistleblower about the craft of "non-human design", you might be onto something.
Shades of 9-11 trickery ... describes a Flight Termination System that when installed can be used to fly-divert a plane remotely. Once FTS control is initiated, all communications are blocked. Blips can be inserted on flight tracking systems according to 9-11 research. I recall that plane 93 on 9-11 that supposedly crashed near Shanksville PA at edge of a strip mine had no appropriate debri either - just a scraped area on the ground surface- also a remote area. This article describes details of 9-11 that correspond to what I could find out doing my own research afterwards. Given all that is possible, that the DS loves their FF theatre and this ridiculous crash site - I wouldnt be surprised if a plan to kidnap or kill patriot Barbara and her family members emerges, coupled with a show of F15s - remember what QuidProJoe said ... In case you don't like the government, I have nukes and F-15s.
Once, long ago, I visited a crash site of a small fighter jet. No civilian jets in those days. It had drilled right into a wooded hill with soft dirt and left almost no trace, like a meteor. I knew about it from someone who dug into the site hoping to find something. It is possible if the speed and angle and dirt are right. Since there was no telephone or radio communication from anyone aboard, I'm inclined to think decompression happened and the plane was flying itself.
Not a planefag, but here is what I found on adsbex. Hit the close button, for what appears to be a nonexistent ad, over on the right, on the map screen and you can zoom in and see the downward spiral at the end.
If you close the history, on the left, you should see the plane's info. It certainly wasn't a new plane, circa 1990, so it's 33(!) years old.
The airframe of a modern aircraft is one of the strongest, most resilient pieces of human engineering on the planet. If this is indeed the wreckage of a Cessna, it was shot down by an air-to-air missile. I can't see a scenario where this is all that's left of the plane after a crash given the resiliency of a modern airframe.
I view these photos are highly suspect, although I would welcome any planefags to comment and correct me here if my suspicions are off the mark.
On the possibly dangerous assumption that this story is bullshit, what's the real story? I must confess, I have no idea what they're hiding here. But this story smells like a cover up.
Aaahh. No plane parts. Where else were there no plane parts?
And no bodies either.
If you read down into the comments, you will see a guy questioning this reporters reasons to have stayed in the area while the S&R teams were trying to do their jobs and this reporter & helicopter were getting in the way, then reporting that they were helping show S&R where the downed plane was.
Here's where the commenter suggests the reporter was in the wrong -
https://twitter.com/RyansUnfiltered/status/1665548617430585344/photo/1
Here's the whole thread with the commenter -
https://twitter.com/RyansUnfiltered/status/1665543449360121857
Also, I thought cessenas had an upper limit of 15k feet, not 30?
Any planefags can confirm?
This is a Cessna Citation which is a jet aircraft. It has a max altitude of 45k feet.
It didn't crash. They shot it down, and it came down in pieces.
If the tracking reports are accurate it was a plane. Missiles don't make a loop over New York before heading back to a target in DC.
Interesting that the Flight Aware flight track shows it disappearing from ADS-B "radar" at a high altitude, and it was suddenly in a descent of 8000 FPM just before dropping off ADS-B. (Career planefag here BTW) If the pilot was incapacitated from a loss of pressurization and then ran out of fuel, as one thing I read stated, the descent would have been more gradual for a time. If the pilot was suddenly incapacitated (died suddenly), he could have slumped over the yoke pushing it forward causing autopilot to be disengaged and then the sudden rapid descent. If it got into a high stress situation from the rapid descent, it could have broken up in flight and the ADS-B equipment would have stopped broadcasting, but even at that, there would have been a longer time period before the ADS-B stopped reporting. Very strange.
great info fren-ty
where's the evidence that it was shot down?
I'm waiting for the government to admit it.
why though? there's nothong to suggest it was shot down
A small engine aircraft shouldn't have turned into a small burned spot with no wreckage. In my opinion that indicates a mid-air break up. What breaks up a plane in mid-air? A missile would.
That's what happens when a pilot suffers heart attack heading over water and the passenger female runs to the steering wheel and turns it back toward land. She didnt know how to use other instruments or talk to fighter pilots who saw her screaming to them from the window. They knew the plane was coming down. They decided best to blow it up to cause least death to people below. What a nightmare for the military pilot to have to keep this to himself
if it broke up in the air, there should be more than one impact site. missile attack does not seem like a logical explanation to me.
we know the deep state has much more subtle methods of downing planes. You could be right, but right now the official story sounds more plausible than a missile to me.
The pictures in the op tweet seem to show metal and baggage wreckage.
The flares are a bit of an odd detail though. If they had shot a missile or missiles and they wanted to hide it, a flares excuse could work to throw any eyewitness accounts into doubt.
i hate to say it, but the official explanation makes more sense than that. crash site is very small and contained, not consistent with debris from an air to air missile.
to me it looks more like a normal crash site that's been scoured and torched..
Ill agree that the plane crashed and it wasnt shot down. There is debris at the site including metal and what looks like a leather bag of some sort if we are to believe the pics in the tweet are genuine.
The possibility that it was remotely piloted still exists. The family of the NRA official being on it ups the weirdness factor. The loop over its destination and return by a nearly reciprocal flight path over Washington puts the lie to the passed out pilot talk. Sonic booms are loud and do shake the ground but was there really a need to go supersonic? You would only do so if you were in a trailing position with tens of miles between craft and by that time the Cessna should have been long gone from the area of the WH, the danger passed, which is the reason to scramble in the first place.
Nothing adds up.
The photos are highly suspicious. Modern airframes are built to handle incredible levels of stress. The debris from the crash looks far more like a craft that was shot down with an air to air missile than one that crashed "normally". A normal crash would leave much larger pieces of wreckage based on my experience.
However, I would invite any planefags to correct me here.
EDIT: A fellow pede wisely pointed out that if the craft was shot down, we'd see a much wider, more scattered debris field. So either the plane somehow disintegrated on impact, or these photos are completely contrived. But again, I'll defer to any planefags on here that can correct me. Just odd to me to see a crash result in such tiny fragments given the engineering involved.
if an air to air missile vaporized the plane in the air, it would be spread out over a very large area. if the missile didn't vaporize it and only destroyed half, there would be an impact site with half a plane.
if i had to make a wild guess... it looks kindof like a normal crash site that has been combed for evidence and torched.
that seems a bit far fetched too, though. but possible if someone were determined enough
That's a good point, 289. One would expect the debris field to be much wider than this if the craft was shot down.
And there wasn’t anyone in it.
That is a very distinct posibilty. I think we may be looking at a blackhat false flag operation to try to blame Trump or the anons for an attack since the planes owner was associated with Trump. If that is the case the military would certainly be justified in taking it down.
It could also be a white hat op to remove the NRA people from the public view. For the same reason- they’re associated with Trump.
Looks like someone's photos of a burnt-out campfire with some junk thrown into it.
That's what I was thinking!
Cessna's don't make sonic booms either.
They also don't fly at 30k feet
EDIT:
See @JackieDaytona74 comment below
This is not correct. The craft was a Cessna Citation which is a jet-engine aircraft. Max altitude for the Citation is 45k feet.
Thanks for the accuracy and insight!
Even if a jet went supersonic at 30k feet, then it wouldn't "shake the ground," would it?
I'm beginning to lean toward underground explosion of some sort.
Thinking about DUMBs gives me the creeps let alone if/ when they're "officially" revealed to the public.
Last summer I was up around 1:30-2am in Michigan and there was a massive (and I mean massive) boom that I can only think of as being an explosion. It was so loud that it shook my entire house -- I don't scare easily but man was I freaked out. Ive never heard such a loud boom before. Definitely Creeped me out more thinking that there's a DUMB near and below me.
Ive heard sonic booms out over Lake Superior when I was at Tech in the 80s and K.I. Sawyer was still open. They are loud and they do shake the ground even from miles away. But its illegal to go supersonic over the continental US land mass unless they have a damn good reason.
You are correct. The craft was a Cessna Citation with a max speed of 446 ktas which is approximately 513 mph. The speed required to create a sonic boom is 761 mph.
The F-16s chasing them do, however.
F-16's "chasing" a Cessna....lol
You’re acting like the Cessna was flying circles around Andrews, and the F-16s had no need to go super sonic.
However, if the Cessna was 20, 30 miles away from Andrews, then yes, the F-16s would be “chasing” the Cessna.
Your “lol” reveals your lack of in-depth thinking.
I don't think anyone is suggesting they do :)
I'm waiting for the feds to announce that the plane was shot down by a UFO.
What with all the internet noise created from the military intelligence whistleblower about the craft of "non-human design", you might be onto something.
Check out this comment about the news chopper getting in the way of the State Police chopper's efforts, forcing them to abort.
https://twitter.com/RyansUnfiltered/status/1665548617430585344
Kek, I didn't read down the page before commenting this above under top comment.
Shades of 9-11 trickery ... describes a Flight Termination System that when installed can be used to fly-divert a plane remotely. Once FTS control is initiated, all communications are blocked. Blips can be inserted on flight tracking systems according to 9-11 research. I recall that plane 93 on 9-11 that supposedly crashed near Shanksville PA at edge of a strip mine had no appropriate debri either - just a scraped area on the ground surface- also a remote area. This article describes details of 9-11 that correspond to what I could find out doing my own research afterwards. Given all that is possible, that the DS loves their FF theatre and this ridiculous crash site - I wouldnt be surprised if a plan to kidnap or kill patriot Barbara and her family members emerges, coupled with a show of F15s - remember what QuidProJoe said ... In case you don't like the government, I have nukes and F-15s.
https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=128149
Leftover photos from the Pentagon site after 9/11
Once, long ago, I visited a crash site of a small fighter jet. No civilian jets in those days. It had drilled right into a wooded hill with soft dirt and left almost no trace, like a meteor. I knew about it from someone who dug into the site hoping to find something. It is possible if the speed and angle and dirt are right. Since there was no telephone or radio communication from anyone aboard, I'm inclined to think decompression happened and the plane was flying itself.
I’d like a planefag to post the flight path, cuz it sounds like it made a U turn and then a 180.
Not a planefag, but here is what I found on adsbex. Hit the close button, for what appears to be a nonexistent ad, over on the right, on the map screen and you can zoom in and see the downward spiral at the end.
If you close the history, on the left, you should see the plane's info. It certainly wasn't a new plane, circa 1990, so it's 33(!) years old.
Since when does a plane with a non-responsive pilot or even on 'autopilot' do a complete 180 degrees turnaround...
Exactly.
The airframe of a modern aircraft is one of the strongest, most resilient pieces of human engineering on the planet. If this is indeed the wreckage of a Cessna, it was shot down by an air-to-air missile. I can't see a scenario where this is all that's left of the plane after a crash given the resiliency of a modern airframe.
I view these photos are highly suspect, although I would welcome any planefags to comment and correct me here if my suspicions are off the mark.
On the possibly dangerous assumption that this story is bullshit, what's the real story? I must confess, I have no idea what they're hiding here. But this story smells like a cover up.
The airframe of a modern aircraft is one of the strongest, most resilient pieces of human engineering on the planet, just like a full beer can.
Woah woah woah, I didn't say airframes are THAT strong.
I don't know why, but this seems like AI generated pics to me
What do the people of this board think ? A missile designed to hit DC, get rid of the resident, and provide a reason to go to war with Russia ?
We need at least another day to let the information shake out.