Unless, the Clowns are behind this supposed civil war and use Prigozhin to start WWIII. Which seems highly plausible to me. Prigozhin is a wild card, an unknown as far as how far he's willing to go in all this. And since this has all the hallmarks of a C_A backed color coup, there's no telling where this leads or ends up in the end.
Color Revolutions start with an information explosion and mass protests. The information must be broadcast en masse by a controlled media. As best I can tell, Russian media is not controlled by globalists. The state seems to have a pretty good hand in controlling them. Thus, it would be very difficult to execute the playbook.
That being said, our media is definitely controlled. I have no doubt globohomo tried to kick off a Revolution here with the fake Russian scandal and COVID. They failed to reach critical mass with Pantifa and BLM protests.
And, despite what MSM would have you believe, Putin is very popular among Russians. Color Revolutions are popularity contests/psyops first and foremost, as you said.
I checked out the Wikipedia listing for Prigozhin a moment ago. It will be interdasting to see how it changes to fit the narrative over the coming weeks. August is typically a hot month.
What a weiner. In the course of time, you will find our Weiner will have topped their weiner, you will see. Our Weiner will bring down the House of Dogs, and bring a fitting end to the reign of Hilldog.
My first thought was that the CIA had found some Russian weapons and fired them at Prigozhin in an attempt to start a civil war in Russia. If you can't defeat Russia on the battlefield get them to destroy themselves. Sounds like a plan to me.
"Simplicius" stated a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
#1. Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
#2. Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
#3. Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
If say, #1 above is the case, it would mean the following:
The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
"Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.
I have read that Putin has had a face-to-face sit down meeting with Prigozhin within the last 10 days. Also, Wagner was used to skirt the law against Russia, invading other countries and giving them plausible deniability. However, with the SMO 90% complete the need for Wagner and the legality of using Wagner would soon render them useless. After being disbanded 7/1/2023 Wagner fighters who wish to could sign a contract and be given positions within the Russian military.
Maybe they seen this as a perfect opportunity to use them within Russia, to perform a massive psyop and subversion campaign before being disbanded next month.
Maybe Prigozhin got a taste of the power/fame he acquired during Bahkmut and couldn’t imagine signing that power and his men over to the Russian military, who he openly berated for what some say, our personal grudges. Before Wagner, he was a cook. If Wagner became part of Russian forces, he would be out of a job and irrelevant. I believe since he got away with publicly shaming the Russian Military etc in Bahkmut that he believed he could pull this little stunt and actually get the defense minister removed and get away with it.
He made a video this morning, responding to Putin, where he is completely downplaying what he has done and making it seem like it is a fucking parade, and not a insurrection.
He made a video this morning, responding to Putin, where he is completely downplaying what he has done and making it seem like it is a fucking parade, and not a insurrection.
At this point, I don't think Putin has any choice.
Either Prigozhin dies in conflict, or he is arrested, put on trial, and executed for treason.
Any other option and Putin loses some power in the eyes of the military and the people of Russia.
This looks more like troop movement cloaked under some planned psyop thing. The southern front appears to be under control, move wagner up (law of war: appear weak when you are strong), and prepare for the next front push
That's a reasonable analysis, except for one caveat. Prigozhin wouldn't be out of a job because he named Dmitry Utkin as director general of Prigozhin's Concord Management. In November 2016 the company confirmed to Russian media that the same Dmitry Utkin leading the Wagner Group was now in charge of Prigozhin's food businesses.
It appears Prigozhin has his fingers in several businesses.
Kinda reminds me of Russian pilots dick-shaped flight paths early on in the war, not exactly something you would do if you were worried about AA......
That said Rothchilds bribed Wagner chief with an insane amount of money to do this as an act of desperation, Wagner chief was both greedy enough to take the money but also stupid enough to think it would end in a way different than execution for treason....
If anyone is trying to seach the 8kun board as you described, it's easier to just ctrl+f "45abdca7" on that page, the timestamps will auto-adjust to your ISP or VPN's timecode
Doesn’t it seem like the immediate response would be a missile landing on Prigozhin‘s position? He’s known to be a loose cannon, what are the chances the FSB doesn’t track his whereabouts at all times? What is the likelihood there aren’t FSB operatives embedded alongside the mercenaries working for Wagner?
This scenario leaves us to either choose to believe the Russian military and Intelligence Service are incompetent. Or, this is a ruse de guerre.
Not sure if you’ve seen the video of what is supposed to be the missile strike, but it is clearly not and it’s starting to seem like the majority opinion is that it is fake or at least not what they say it is.
I think it's to bait the UAF to push more than they would have. Appear weak when you are strong, law of war stuff from russia here. Wagner has been seen as reapers and the UAF lost how many vehicles and troops? The conflict would be prolonged if ukraine backs up/retreats. Instead, bait them out by an info-ops campaign suggesting that Wagner has pulled out.
UAF will be scrambling to get whatever they can done with the apparent gap, and if they do take the risk russia is expecting them to, they'll be crushed
Belarus was suppose to get nuches. What better way to "exile" the forces who took bahkmut to protect the country from NATO that is being fortified? Under the guise of banishment? Is Putin preparing an offensive towards something from Belarus?
I have read that Putin has had a face-to-face sit down meeting with Prigozhin within the last 10 days. Also, Wagner was used to skirt the law against Russia, invading other countries and giving them plausible deniability. However, with the SMO 90% complete the need for Wagner and the legality of using Wagner would soon render them useless. After being disbanded 7/1/2023 Wagner fighters who wish to could sign a contract and be given positions within the Russian military.
Maybe they seen this as a perfect opportunity to use them within Russia, to perform a massive psyop and subversion campaign before being disbanded next month.
Maybe Prigozhin got a taste of the power/fame he acquired during Bahkmut and couldn’t imagine signing that power and his men over to the Russian military, who he openly berated for what some say, our personal grudges. Before Wagner, he was a cook. If Wagner became part of Russian forces, he would be out of a job and irrelevant. I believe since he got away with publicly shaming the Russian Military etc in Bahkmut that he believed he could pull this little stunt and actually get the defense minister removed and get away with it.
He made a video this morning, responding to Putin, where he is completely downplaying what he has done and making it seem like it is a fucking parade, and not a insurrection.
Unless, the Clowns are behind this supposed civil war and use Prigozhin to start WWIII. Which seems highly plausible to me. Prigozhin is a wild card, an unknown as far as how far he's willing to go in all this. And since this has all the hallmarks of a C_A backed color coup, there's no telling where this leads or ends up in the end.
Color Revolutions start with an information explosion and mass protests. The information must be broadcast en masse by a controlled media. As best I can tell, Russian media is not controlled by globalists. The state seems to have a pretty good hand in controlling them. Thus, it would be very difficult to execute the playbook.
That being said, our media is definitely controlled. I have no doubt globohomo tried to kick off a Revolution here with the fake Russian scandal and COVID. They failed to reach critical mass with Pantifa and BLM protests.
And, despite what MSM would have you believe, Putin is very popular among Russians. Color Revolutions are popularity contests/psyops first and foremost, as you said.
I checked out the Wikipedia listing for Prigozhin a moment ago. It will be interdasting to see how it changes to fit the narrative over the coming weeks. August is typically a hot month.
So this guy built his fortune with hot dogs...
Bathhouse Barry has entered the chat: "Did someone say something about hot dogs?"
lmao
What a weiner. In the course of time, you will find our Weiner will have topped their weiner, you will see. Our Weiner will bring down the House of Dogs, and bring a fitting end to the reign of Hilldog.
Who do you think ultimately picked Biden to be the puppet head? Looks like cabal but......
In other words looks like c_a but we're watching a movie and WHs are in control. Imo.
My first thought was that the CIA had found some Russian weapons and fired them at Prigozhin in an attempt to start a civil war in Russia. If you can't defeat Russia on the battlefield get them to destroy themselves. Sounds like a plan to me.
There is zero chance that a mercenary group would go "all in" against the Russian military ... UNLESS they have Western (CIA) backing.
Agreed.
The idea that NATO would not jump at the chance to fight a war against Russia/Putin is laughable.
"Simplicius" stated a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
#1. Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
#2. Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
#3. Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
If say, #1 above is the case, it would mean the following:
The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
"Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.
I have read that Putin has had a face-to-face sit down meeting with Prigozhin within the last 10 days. Also, Wagner was used to skirt the law against Russia, invading other countries and giving them plausible deniability. However, with the SMO 90% complete the need for Wagner and the legality of using Wagner would soon render them useless. After being disbanded 7/1/2023 Wagner fighters who wish to could sign a contract and be given positions within the Russian military.
Maybe they seen this as a perfect opportunity to use them within Russia, to perform a massive psyop and subversion campaign before being disbanded next month.
Maybe Prigozhin got a taste of the power/fame he acquired during Bahkmut and couldn’t imagine signing that power and his men over to the Russian military, who he openly berated for what some say, our personal grudges. Before Wagner, he was a cook. If Wagner became part of Russian forces, he would be out of a job and irrelevant. I believe since he got away with publicly shaming the Russian Military etc in Bahkmut that he believed he could pull this little stunt and actually get the defense minister removed and get away with it.
He made a video this morning, responding to Putin, where he is completely downplaying what he has done and making it seem like it is a fucking parade, and not a insurrection.
At this point, I don't think Putin has any choice.
Either Prigozhin dies in conflict, or he is arrested, put on trial, and executed for treason.
Any other option and Putin loses some power in the eyes of the military and the people of Russia.
This looks more like troop movement cloaked under some planned psyop thing. The southern front appears to be under control, move wagner up (law of war: appear weak when you are strong), and prepare for the next front push
That's a reasonable analysis, except for one caveat. Prigozhin wouldn't be out of a job because he named Dmitry Utkin as director general of Prigozhin's Concord Management. In November 2016 the company confirmed to Russian media that the same Dmitry Utkin leading the Wagner Group was now in charge of Prigozhin's food businesses.
It appears Prigozhin has his fingers in several businesses.
I dont buy this. Noone thinks wagner can take out russia.
Total nonsense.
Pretty sure, if a real rebel is taking place?
Everyone involved is dead already.
Just hasnt made the news yet.
interesting
Very good theory.
Kinda reminds me of Russian pilots dick-shaped flight paths early on in the war, not exactly something you would do if you were worried about AA......
That said Rothchilds bribed Wagner chief with an insane amount of money to do this as an act of desperation, Wagner chief was both greedy enough to take the money but also stupid enough to think it would end in a way different than execution for treason....
sauce?
If anyone is trying to seach the 8kun board as you described, it's easier to just ctrl+f "45abdca7" on that page, the timestamps will auto-adjust to your ISP or VPN's timecode
Ty!
Agree Magnapinna
Brilliant countermove to LooseLips Lindsay's nuke froth
Doesn’t it seem like the immediate response would be a missile landing on Prigozhin‘s position? He’s known to be a loose cannon, what are the chances the FSB doesn’t track his whereabouts at all times? What is the likelihood there aren’t FSB operatives embedded alongside the mercenaries working for Wagner?
This scenario leaves us to either choose to believe the Russian military and Intelligence Service are incompetent. Or, this is a ruse de guerre.
Not sure if you’ve seen the video of what is supposed to be the missile strike, but it is clearly not and it’s starting to seem like the majority opinion is that it is fake or at least not what they say it is.
Money well spent? Is Prigozhin a Linda buddy? How much of that money we sent is untraceable?
I think it's to bait the UAF to push more than they would have. Appear weak when you are strong, law of war stuff from russia here. Wagner has been seen as reapers and the UAF lost how many vehicles and troops? The conflict would be prolonged if ukraine backs up/retreats. Instead, bait them out by an info-ops campaign suggesting that Wagner has pulled out.
UAF will be scrambling to get whatever they can done with the apparent gap, and if they do take the risk russia is expecting them to, they'll be crushed
Dasting take
can you link to the theory there?
yeah, western media is already going crazy on this right now. "appear weak when you are strong" law of war stuff here from russia.
Belarus was suppose to get nuches. What better way to "exile" the forces who took bahkmut to protect the country from NATO that is being fortified? Under the guise of banishment? Is Putin preparing an offensive towards something from Belarus?
I have read that Putin has had a face-to-face sit down meeting with Prigozhin within the last 10 days. Also, Wagner was used to skirt the law against Russia, invading other countries and giving them plausible deniability. However, with the SMO 90% complete the need for Wagner and the legality of using Wagner would soon render them useless. After being disbanded 7/1/2023 Wagner fighters who wish to could sign a contract and be given positions within the Russian military.
Maybe they seen this as a perfect opportunity to use them within Russia, to perform a massive psyop and subversion campaign before being disbanded next month.
Maybe Prigozhin got a taste of the power/fame he acquired during Bahkmut and couldn’t imagine signing that power and his men over to the Russian military, who he openly berated for what some say, our personal grudges. Before Wagner, he was a cook. If Wagner became part of Russian forces, he would be out of a job and irrelevant. I believe since he got away with publicly shaming the Russian Military etc in Bahkmut that he believed he could pull this little stunt and actually get the defense minister removed and get away with it.
He made a video this morning, responding to Putin, where he is completely downplaying what he has done and making it seem like it is a fucking parade, and not a insurrection.
seems like Prigozhin got promoted to psyops after that Putin talk
This is the biggest Russian cope Ive seen yet.
"This is the biggest Russian cope Ive ever seen".
If so, perhaps its time for an eye exam and some spiritual cardio tests?
Bottom line, best wishes dear shipmate. WWG1WGA.
Asymmetric War at its finest. We have better AI.
It is Russian KFabe as they have always done
All this history will never be contained in a book, you have to follow along. What a unbelievable story we can tell our greatgrandkids