Everyone I know seems to be diagnosed (or self diagnosed) with some kind of mental disorder. It's one of the defining traits of the zoomer generation. I know it's considered a kind of blasphemy, but I really think therapy is hurting our culture.
Therapy trains people to only think about themselves. If someone isn't completely perfect, we're told to cut them out of our lives. If your dad gets upset because you're not doing chores, he's abusive. If she doesn't text back after 2 minutes, she's avoidant. It just adds a really sick and toxic layer to every single social interaction.
People aren't perfect. I know I've done things that upset people in the past and people around me have made mistakes. It's called being human. Not every mistake or miscalculation is a product of evil manipulation or mental illness. Therapy seems to make the self the center of the world and reduces every relationship to something transactional. "My way or the highway."
I think that's part of the reason why our generation is so lonely. It's hard to really bond with people when you're constantly afraid of being a victim. You really need to be forgiving and be willing to see the best in people if you wanna make it in this world.
My therapist younger sister is guilty of all of this, and I've completely shut her out due to this (among many other reasons). She absolutely cannot fathom anyone who doesn't function in daily life based on "feels", and has deemed me a sociopath. The last thing I said to her as I walked away was, "If I were a sociopath, you'd already be dead."
My youngest son just graduated with a psychology degree. A bachelors degree, I might add, not a PhD, but he's still the most qualified person on the planet to tell you what's wrong with you. He's currently using his degree to drive for UberEats and the only reason he doesn't have a 6-figure salary in the perfect job is because of something I did or his big brother did in his tragic, suburban childhood.
It's always sad to hear stuff like that. Family problems are the worst.
Lmao, "he's still the most qualified person on the planet to tell you what's wrong with you"🐸
Agreed…but I also believe that the DS planners are using tactics on society to create masses of narcissists and mental illnesses. These then abuse others, who go to therapists and/or get on brain drugs…and the cycle repeats.
That said….there is a reason the bible talks about forgiveness. And helping others.
You may have to grey rock, ghost or remove yourself entirely from the situation or relationship…and also forgive. Otherwise, eventually, you’ll poison your body and mind. In addition, helping others is truly a gift to you. And will also ease anxiety and depression.
Truth.
If your dad gets upset because you're not doing chores, he's abusive… 💯 right!
If a teen is asked to watch their siblings …it’s parentification.
What’s interesting is it teaches your children that you have no authority and they can walk out at any time go to a relatives and claim abuse.
They don’t have to do chores, listen, steal, fight with siblings….
They don’t have to listen -you (the parents) are just housing them.
Yeahh people are gonna crucify me for this but I think American culture has become way too individualistic. The dichotomy shouldn't just be individual vs government. We need to recognize all the different relationships between the two.
It's also hard to bond with people who look like they might just chimp out over trivial things because of how fragile "therapy" has made their egos.
Well where do I start? 🤔😅😆 I have a bachelor degrees in psychology. I never did my masters because "no jab no uni" 🤢
And if you have that degree and cannot wake up to what happened the last three years did you even learn anything?
I mean I originally went for this career because I really wanted to help people. Two problems with that statement.
how many are doing the same? A) So many have problem's they haven't gotten over themselves and hence seeing everyone as victims? And babying them? When my partner went to uni his lawyer professor or whatever mocked the previous whiteboards notes from psychology because "everyone joins it to fix themselves" 🤔 B) how many are doing it because they think it's good money ? Love to judge? Or are literally narcissistic and love having that power over people? I've seen it in my own psychology network.
what do you actually learn to help people? Half my degree was "filler classes" from any other field to keep you in uni longer and cough up more dough $$$. And what I walked away with is: no wonder they encourage you to get a marketing career if you fail getting the grades needed for the master entry to be a psychologist. All I learned was manipulation, coercion, gaslighting etc. Geesh sounds like convid 🤢😅🥴
I don't deny it hasn't helped me in life but I feel it's because of the wrong reasons like knowing how to manipulate 😭 Others will probably *justify it as using your skills but I don't like it.
Oh and regarding the dsm, drink too much coffee and it's deemed a mental illness yet be a man and identify as a woman is acceptable now 🤔🤦
“And if you have that degree and cannot wake up to what happened the last three years did you even learn anything?“
Oooh, good point and one I hadn’t thot of. If a mental health “professional” got the jab then obviously they didn’t…
Do their homework on it before taking an experimental “medication.” Thereby showing they just believe “authorities” and are not independent thinkers. They go along to get along.
Recognize the blatant gaslighting and manipulation (forcing the jab). Which, you would think, would be easily recognized because “professional.” How can they help you if they can’t help themselves?
So maybe the litmus test for seeing a therapist is whether or not they caved to the pressure.
Hehe, thank you for the inside scoop!🐸
Or by just going to the gym. https://greatawakening.win/p/17sP1qD5wS/new-study-in-the-british-medical/c/
Seriously! Pre-covid, I would leave work and workout nearly every night, and weekends.
It costs a fortune because I was taking classes at boutique fitness studios, but it was worth every penny at the time - I would even call it my therapy session, because as soon as the intensity of the workout began, the stress of the day would literally melt away.
Then covid hit and every fitness studio had to close, then required the vaccine when they were allowed to open back up., so I stopped. Even though they’ve long since dropped the requirement, I will never give them money again. Unfortunately, working out at home isn’t quite the same for me, partially because the variety of classes I took require large, expensive equipment (that I don’t have space for), and live coaching from the instructors who were really great.
100% correct ... unless you are going to therapy to stop drinking. kek
I’ve been watching YouTube video of (mainly younger girls) getting pulled over for drunk driving. In just about every one of them, they will claim that they suffer from anxiety issues or PTSD.
I had a great Christian cognitive therapist who gave me the map to get out of my stinkin' thinkin' way of life. Admittedly, I am stubborn and used it to my advantage to get myself better. A good therapist can be very beneficial as long as the patient wants to do the hard work to change and is encouraged to do so.
Therapy done right is not a bad thing at all
100% this
It also trains you to never take accountability for your own part in any conflict or troubling situation in your life. Even suggesting that someone engage in self reflection is considered toxic. That’s why therapy is so addictive — the person you’re paying to listen to your problems is validating every single one of your own toxic traits.
Issue at work? Blame the boss or colleague. Fight with your girlfriend/boyfriend? Dump their toxic ass. Strict parents? How dare they; cut those monsters off. Can’t deal with the stress and depression all of these toxic people in your life are causing you? Help yourself to this menu of SSRIs.
Life is easy when it’s always everyone else’s fault and never your own. I almost admire the grift.
It’s essentially professional gaslighting. The mental health industrial complex carved out a sweet little evil empire for themselves with the full support of big pharma.
"trains you not to be accountable". You know other than no vax no job b.s stopping me being a psych the other is this! I'm too blunt for the job especially after the last few year's and I'd be reported to AHPRA for being a bitch 🙄🥴🤦😆 And finally I believe majority who would go is the problem and those who should go wouldn't.
Therapy as a solution either failed to stop the rise in mental illness or was complicit in its rise. Either way as a solution going forward it has no place being as vaulted and heralded as it is.
How about talking over problems with friends and family instead of therapists?
Another one hitting the nail on the head. We've become too isolated. Whether now due to convid and the unvax are leapers or in general having to work longer to cover a mortgage, hence no time for life and family / friends
Just as planned.
Yes.
Based on observation, and a few unguarded comments by my sister, (pediatrician), therapists mostly come from the soft 'sciences' - psychology/sociology/social work. The soft 'science' pipeline is mostly populated by women. The educational component isn't that demanding, so its graduate breakdown isn't surprising. There are a few men, here and there, rather uncommon though.
The difference between men and women therapists appears to be men listen, encourage you to question everything, and help find a more productive path. Women listen, tell you your wrong, and you must change 'in the following manner'. It's not about you. It's not about what's going on. She projects her 'feelz' onto your vulnerability, because she's right.
Just ask her.
You don't need therapy. You need to get out of the city, breathe some fresh air, and find like-minded men for hiking, carpentry, bbq's, and gaming nights.
I went through lots of emotional trauma, my mother, a drunk, had a bad taste in men. 3 husbands and BF in between. All except the last one beat her. We lived in more than 50 places as kids, and half of our childhood was at Gram and Pop's. Abused by husband #2 in the bathtub (I barely remember) and again as a tween (2 seperate perps). Thank God I didn't get involved with the system.
I self-medicated on weed off and on most of my life, and I suffer the health consequences of that, but its preferable to the mental/emotional health industry, and what they do to people.
The worst abuser of my mom killed my too-young to be away from mama cat when it piddled on the floor. He made me bury it (As if it was my fault). So I like to tell people "I might cry, but I can still bury the cat" People need to quit being whips and become strong. God can see you through anything.
Therapy is a big commie city problem.
I don't know anyone who goes to therapy.
I'll put my story here because I'm certainly not ashamed to say I went to therapy for awhile, and I do believed it helped me a lot.
My ex of 25+ years is a narcissist. I don't need a diagnosis or the actual label : all 9 character traits and behaviours are there. Going back in the mental replay : yep, there the whole time.
When that ended, I knew, based on my own personal research on DM5 behaviours and the path the empath / people pleaser takes, I would end up with someone exactly like her again, and I had to know why I stayed with her for so long ; it's not like I didn't know she was a fairly horrid person.
Therapy allowed me to go deep into myself to find the answers to why I have always done some of the things I do / responses to things / allowance of actions of others that are harmful so I can protect my heart and mind. Boundaries are fucking weird when you've never really had many.
This isn't wrong at all, but it does depend on a couple of important factors. The first being you, the one going to therapy, being completely open and honest with yourself and the therapist. You have to be able to be vulnerable like a 3 year old ; it's the only way the second factor can happen. The second factor being a good therapist that knows what questions to ask and when. Sometimes, that other person can ask you the questions you don't want to ask yourself - hence the talking to someone else. If that other person though, has the tools to ask the right questions to allow you acces to the doors of your mind, it helps a lot more.
Therapy isn't for everyone and I'm certainly not advocating that at all. Therapy 100% worked for me but it's because of these two factors, and I'm thankful for the therapist I was seeing.
Yes, they can suck the life out of empaths and those gifted with a second helping of compassion and kindness (those who find joy in helping others).
Glad you’re free and healthy now.
I'm sure your ex was a nightmare, but have you ever thought about things from her POV? Everyone has their own justification for why they act the way they do. In her mind she's probably doing everything right.
That's just exactly it. Narcissism is a self defense mechanism. When their trauma happened, their subconscious created a false persona for the conscious child to believe they are ; kind of shielding them from their trauma.
The do think they are normal, but at the same time they :
are aware they are pathological liars and manipulators
believe everyone else thinks like them
believe all of their actions are justified as they find a way to blame someone or something else for their behaviour
"You made me... I had to... You gave me no choice" All of these are used to self defend their actions and blame the other person. They are fully aware they are doing this on purpose.
A narcissist gets their self narrative fulfilled by you believing their lies or gaslighting. Or someone who only knows them believing the stories ( lies ) the narcissist tells them about you. If you believe them, in the narcissist mind, it makes it true. They are also aware they are doing this on purpose.
They live in a world where they have to constantly gaslight themselves into believing their own narrative of themselves because reality is constantly telling them it's not true. A real definition of mental hell.
Everything a narcissist does / thinks / reacts is directly tied to so they never feel the same way again that they felt when their trauma happened. The avoidance of feeling shame is the driving force behind narcissism. Cowardice, however, is the driving behaviour. They're running from themselves, so naturally, they run from everything else ; responsibility, accountability, self integrity and self respect.
" If I can hurt them before they hurt me.. " is a pretty fair way to describe their overall view of others.
Very good explanation. Slightly different view on a few points but you nailed it.
This was a fascinating, informative exchange & an excellent recap of how therapy can be beneficial. This cracked me up, "Boundaries are fucking weird when you've never really had many."🐸
No.
Most people don’t understand what narcissism is. Narcissists have a broken brain. It is thot that they are (mostly) “made” by their own childhood abuse which damages a child’s frontal lobe and normal development. There are several different kinds of narcissism.
They cannot be reasoned with and most don’t care how they hurt you as long as they get whatever it is they want/need. They just don’t have the same filters as a normal person does or any empathy. They can literally justify any horrid behavior or abuse and then blame you for it. They can be mentally, physically, emotionally abusive and evil. Many are border psychopaths, yet the world sees them as amazing.
Unless you’ve lived it, it’s hard to understand.
Most therapists have no experience and are not qualified to treat a person who survived narcissistic abuse.
And many therapists are narcissists who got into therapy to self analyze their own dark secrets.
This is a very interesting post. I do understand where you’re coming from, and feel that a majority of therapy people are going through, is to brainwash people. With all of the disorders available on the menu, it’s easy for people to pick and choose and then claim that’s what’s wrong with them. Instead of actually doing the work, and finding out with the real issues are at hand.
When exiting a mental illness treatment facility, they now recommend. DBT - Dialectical Behavior Therapy. This is suggested to participate in groups. It teaches you to monitor how you respond to people and to change your thought process when having intense emotions and feelings. Sounds like a great idea, right? Wrong! I think it’s a form of Brainwashing, and because people sign up for it, they are willing victims.
I know somebody who went through this therapy, and they completely changed afterwards. DBT pushes the LGBT & BLM thought processes, and overall woke idealism. It’s very insidious.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22838-dialectical-behavior-therapy-dbt
However; on the flipside… I do have a mental illness. Having a good psychologist and psychiatrist has been very helpful. They’re just very hard to find these days. I’m not going to get into all the details, but understanding how my ADHD, OCD, and anxiety work … helps me to manage it much better. Having the tools to know how to navigate through life, instead of just not knowing what’s wrong with you, is a much better way to live. Also a close family member of mine, has finally figured out they have ADD - and this had helped them immensely. Understanding that these idiosyncrasies don’t make them a bad person, and then learning how to manage them, have made quite a difference in their life.
There’s a fine line between people who are actually mentally ill, and those who just want to have a label and fit in. It seems to be very popular right now to have a laundry list of issues, that you can fall back on to blame the world for all of your problems.
Also, we have to keep in mind; with the onslaught of childhood vaccinations, and other vaccinations, people are definitely suffering from mental health issues. I think this is by plan. However, sorting out everything and getting a decent diagnosis is very difficult.
In closing, I wish I had known 40 years ago about my illness. I would not have had to struggle through life as much as I did. I’m just happy that I finally have a handle on it, and I have become a more productive human. Thanks to a new ketamine treatment for depression, but more importantly… My faith in Jesus Christ. He alone gets all the glory for the success in my life.
Also, on a sidenote… these evil bastard that have tried to poison us, and break us mentally, will be taken out by the autists they created 👏👏🤣
You're right.
Former clinical psychologist here. The Lord confronted me on what I was doing and told me I had, "one foot in and one foot out." It was clear what was being asked of me. I walked away from psych and chose Jesus completely. There was no truth in psychology. The Gospel is the only way we heal.
Most professions nowadays are artificially bloated in value and demand. Much like doctors, many therapists are taught a detrimental practice to create that demand. The sicker the society, the more these groomed bureaucrats come into existence. The whole system exists to tear down society and pay people to do it.
On the other hand, I know a few competent and healthy therapists that have helped not only myself but other people close to me - ultimately teaching an acceptance of emotion and a responsibility for one’s own behavior.
. I am going to have to block cringerepublic because this user makes me reevaluate my own interactions and that makes me uncomfortable. you are now blocked AND I have reported you to my mom, you are in real trouble now...
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Ha! goddamnit you got me again!
I think this goes hand and hand with "diversity". A generation that is brought up to constantly individualize themselves and how they are different from everyone around them will never feel connected to others. Nothing is ever said about the similarities and the things we have in common, its just always "I fit into these categories and you could never possibly understand what its like to be me because you fit into these other categories." And the ones that struggle to find categories that they are comfortable with end up putting themselves in categories where society HAS to accept them (LGBTQ+).
I have dealt with an unusual and difficult situation with my mentally disabled sibling who is suffering from mental illness as well and it has deeply impacted me in negative ways. I thought of looking for help and even screened some therapists. In this woke society I would have to pay cash to even get a rational therapist because they have to follow the protocol as written in the “system”. In other words if your insurance covers them, they follow guidelines put forth by the same system hellbent on destroying us mentally and physically.
And I’m talking about a therapist for me. Don’t even get me started on finding help for him. I’ve tried for 3 years and it’s been one roadblock after another because our system is so broken.
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Someone that is NOT you determining who you are after a few conversations....
What could go wrong...................................
It works if you are your own 'therapist' and don't lie to yourself, unfortunately denial and self-deceit seems to be the cornerstone of human psychology.
People don't need therapists, they need to be taught how to be honest with themselves and how to do effective self and action/consequence analysis on them selves.....
Yes
Psychology isn't a science or any sort of medical treatment, at its most basic its a support system for psychologists. If you are treated by one they are not there to help you, you are there to heal them by diagnosing you in the only way they know how, the way of psychology.
Anything else besides psychological reasoning is suppressed, they can't see much else beyond their methodology. IOW, they are midwits.
Yes
Not all doctors wear white coats. Some specialists, like psychiatrists or pediatricians, may choose not to wear them for a variety of reasons, such as creating a more relaxed atmosphere or avoiding potential power dynamics.
Friend of mine made an observation long ago regarding the run to therapy; "You don't need a shrink. You need a priest." There is a lot of truth in that - many people don't want to acknowledge that the problem isn't mental - it is spiritual, which is why therapy doesn't solve their problems.
Funny because when moses and the Jews were all tripping in the desert and the plague started up the priests would be the one to deem you "unsafe". Not only did they act as doctors they also acted as code enforcement and if mold was found in your house it was deemed unsafe. If after plastering the mold returned the priest would determine if your house had to be torn down and have its materials scattered outside the city limits
I've viewed "therapy" as a total crock for many years.