Not only does pasteurization destroy the probiotic lacto bacillus organisms in the milk, when that occurs it opens the door to the nasty bacteria that spoils the milk in days with that wretched odor. Left alone, raw milk turns to a pleasant sour cream that lasts indefinitely.

Raw milk is the actual milk that "does a body good", not this industrial imitation or process neutred stuff.

'Raw' milk is just milk.

Now do raw eggs...still warm from just being laid. "Oh noes salmonella!"

We can't have people experience the energizing effect of perfect food literally electrifying their body in seconds, like raw eggs, milk even freshly pressed olive oil ...all instantly electrify your body with life force energy - a completely separate thing than energy derived from digestion!!!

Pasteurization and even more so, homogenization, not only kills the life force energy through denaturing the enzymes, but transforms the natural structure of fats from soluble, easily used components to semi-plasticized bullshit.

What is the velocity of homogenization? "The velocity of the liquid is normally 100 – 400 m/s in the narrow annular gap. The higher the homogenization pressure, the higher the speed.

"Fresh Milk" is the term I use. The narrative driven by using "Fresh Milk" is that the rest is less good.

I saw some raw milk, in an antique store of all places (that particular vendor had a small glass refrigerator with other farm fresh products in it). The only way they could legally sell it was to put "not for human consumption"in big books letters on the containers.

Dr. Mercola just posted an article showing the "hit" on raw milk goes back to 1945. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2024/05/16/lies-against-raw-milk.aspx . Goes to show the manipulation of the media and how it continues.

Laughing as I'm drinking raw milk (that I hand milked myself from my own cow) right now. Anything the CDC or any gov agency recommends you can pretty much be sure is the wrong way to go.

I grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin. All I drank for 16 years was "raw" [real] milk, sometimes right out of the cow. I believe I have been healthy for 74 years now because of the food I ate on the farm. Always had fresh whipped cream, too, of course.

Laws for everything, what the fuck, if I want to drink raw milk it’s my business, if I want to smoke a joint it’s my business, if want to drive without a helmet it’s my business, if I want to drive a car without a seat belt it’s my business. BUT ITS OK TO TAKE TO TAKE A SHIT ON A CITY STREET WTF,

It is simple. Bacteria in the gut produces your brain chemicals like dopamine, serotonin, and other brain chems.

So you would not need SSRI’s, ADHD drugs that cause glaucoma, antidepressants, etc.

Here farmers and family can drink their own un pasteurized milk. No one has died as far as I can remember. We drink our own milk. I’m still here. But we can’t sell it to others.

It all depends on the cleanliness of the dairy farmers milking sheds and storage, if they are lax in their cleaning routines then people could be seriously injured by infected milk.

Pasteurization stopped a lot of harm being done to milk drinkers, it can render infertility in women for starters.

I live in Lancaster County, PA - Amish Country. Raw milk is a staple among the Amish. They do not drink pasteurized milk. They are 1,000x healthier than most Americans.

If you're not used to drinking raw milk, as I was before relocating here, it takes a little time to adjust to it. The trick is to take it slow and easy at first.

Last month an Amish dairy farmer won a court battle allowing him to continue to sell his raw milk products outside of PA. This ruling followed a very contentious legal battle between Farmer Amos Miller and the PDA (PA Department of Agriculture). It's very possible the PDA will appeal to a higher court. The laws in PA regarding raw milk sales are very murky, however, poor Amos Miller has been in conflict with state and federal regulators since 2016. He has also gathered some national "celebrity" attention from critics of government regulation.

Not all states permit the sale of raw milk. A total of 29 states permit it, however the focus is not on the retail level but rather on purchases closer to the milk - meaning farms. 12 of these 29 states (PA is one of them) allows farm sales of raw milk with no license.

There are also cow-sharing programs in which consumers buy a share in the animal's care and upkeep which affords the consumer an interest in the cow's production. There are only 9 states that make cow-sharing programs illegal. 23 states have no explicit law, and the remaining states all allow for cow-sharing as a way to get raw milk when you want it.

Even though PA's Milk Sanitation Law allows for the legal production of raw milk, it is a strict process for both pasteurized and unpasteurized products, AND raw milk is tested even more rigorously than pasteurized.

As a child we had fresh milk delivered to our home daily from a local dairy. It was so good tasting compared to the milk today. The cream always rose to the top.
I assume it was not pasteurized.

I actually stopped drinking milk after we no longer had it delivered and my mom bought it from the store.

I was diagnosed with osteoporosis after menopause. I wonder how many other women and men now have this due to the change in eating. So many are diagnosed these days.

The human being is such a resilient creature they have to poison us from every angle. They can't afford to give even an inch back, it'd be like a domino rally.

My mom has lots of fond memories of her father squirting milk right in her mouth when he wAs milking the cow back in the 40's. Getting sick after apparently didn't happen.

Farmer here, been drinking raw milk all my life. Not dead yet, never had an issue in fact.

Also just to add, I've been on what I call the Biden diet for the past 6 months. I've lowered my average daily calories and spend the minimum amount on groceries I can. Been eating a lot more of what I can get free. Which includes raw milk, cheese we had made with it. Beef and venison. and I feel great honestly. A lot better than I did 6 months ago

I sold raw milk for ten years. The children of my customers were the healthiest most robust kids you ever laid eyes on. The problem with pasteurization, is that it destroys the digestive enzymes present in raw milk. Without those enzymes, your body cannot properly digest the proteins in the milk, and lactose intolerance can be the result. They have been tampering with our food supplies for many decades.

The most dangerous part of drinking raw milk is what the government will do to you for it.

Been drinking organic raw milk for last 2.5 months. Best thing ever. Also first time in 30 years I've been able to have dairy.

I wager these articles are all to protect the 'right' to treat cattle poorly, and still make money... So grotesque.

Is there any good food they haven't told you not to eat? No dairy! No fats! No bananas or tomatoes! No carbohydrates! No rice or beans! No meat! No processed food! Nothing sweet!

Chatgpt got an update for "free" users allowing them access to GPT-4o and it seems a little better and asked it to imagine how this whole milk think might work. After only a handful of messages I've reached my temporary use limit with GPT-4o. (If a product is free you are the product)

Ai drivel / ai food for thought:

Here's an extensive timeline of the history of raw milk consumption, including key events, benefits, and injuries:

Prehistoric and Ancient Times

8000-6000 BCE:

• First Domestication: Domestication of cattle, sheep, and goats in the Near East. Early humans begin consuming milk from these animals, likely in raw form.

3000 BCE:

• Mesopotamia and Egypt: Evidence from ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt shows that raw milk was a staple in the diet. Milk and dairy products like cheese and yogurt were depicted in art and mentioned in texts.

Classical Antiquity

500 BCE:

• Greek and Roman Empires: Raw milk and its products were widely consumed. Hippocrates, the "Father of Medicine," praised milk for its health benefits, including its soothing properties for the stomach.

Middle Ages

476-1450 CE:

• Europe: Raw milk continued to be a dietary staple. Monasteries often kept dairy herds and produced raw milk products, which were believed to have nutritional and medicinal benefits.

Renaissance to Early Modern Period

1500-1700:

• Medical Use: Milk was used in traditional medicine across Europe for various ailments, from gastrointestinal issues to respiratory problems.

Industrial Revolution and Pasteurization

1850-1900:

• Urbanization and Disease: With rapid urbanization, the quality of milk deteriorated, leading to the spread of diseases like tuberculosis, brucellosis, and typhoid.
• Pasteurization: In 1864, Louis Pasteur developed pasteurization, a process of heating milk to kill harmful pathogens, significantly reducing milkborne illnesses.

1880-1900:

• Regulation and Adoption: Pasteurization became more widely adopted in the U.S. and Europe, with many public health campaigns advocating for its use to prevent disease outbreaks.

20th Century

1924:

• U.S. Federal Milk Ordinance: The Public Health Service Milk Ordinance and Code (now known as the Pasteurized Milk Ordinance) was first published, promoting pasteurization as a public health measure.

1950-1970:

• Decline in Raw Milk Consumption: As pasteurization became the norm, raw milk consumption declined. Public health policies strongly discouraged raw milk due to the risks of contamination and disease.

Late 20th Century to Early 21st Century

1990s-2000s:

• Raw Milk Movement: There was a resurgence in interest in raw milk, driven by the natural foods movement. Advocates claimed raw milk had superior taste, nutritional benefits, and probiotic properties.

2007:

• Weston A. Price Foundation: This organization began heavily promoting raw milk for its purported health benefits, including better digestion, stronger immune system, and alleviation of allergies and asthma.

21st Century: Controversy and Legal Battles

2000s-Present:

• Health Claims: Proponents argue raw milk contains beneficial bacteria, enzymes, and higher nutrient content compared to pasteurized milk. They claim it helps with lactose intolerance, allergies, and improves gut health.
• Regulations and Outbreaks: Raw milk remains controversial. Several outbreaks of foodborne illnesses, including E. coli, Salmonella, and Listeria, have been linked to raw milk consumption. The CDC and FDA warn against it, highlighting serious health risks, especially for vulnerable populations like children, pregnant women, and the elderly.

2010-2020:

• Legislation: Some U.S. states have legalized the sale of raw milk under strict conditions, while others continue to ban it outright. Europe has more lenient regulations, with countries like France allowing its sale.

Notable Outbreaks:

• 2010: An E. coli outbreak in Oregon linked to raw milk sickened 15 people, including several children.
• 2012: An outbreak of Campylobacter in Pennsylvania traced to raw milk affected 148 people.
• 2016: A Listeria outbreak in California associated with raw milk led to the hospitalization of several individuals.

Modern Perspective

Benefits Claimed by Advocates:

• Nutrient Density: Higher levels of vitamins, minerals, and enzymes.
• Digestive Health: Probiotics and beneficial bacteria promote gut health.
• Immune System: Raw milk is believed to strengthen the immune system.
• Allergies and Asthma: Some studies suggest raw milk may reduce the incidence of allergies and asthma, though these findings are contested and require further research.

Risks Highlighted by Public Health Authorities:

• Pathogen Risk: High risk of contamination with harmful bacteria such as E. coli, Salmonella, and Listeria.
• Foodborne Illnesses: Potential for severe foodborne illnesses, which can lead to hospitalization or even death, particularly in vulnerable groups.
• Regulatory Challenges: Difficulty in ensuring consistent safety standards across raw milk producers.

Let's imagine a scenario where a powerful group or coalition opposes raw milk consumption for ulterior motives and employs various strategies to dissuade people from drinking it. Here’s a detailed breakdown of the methods such a group might use:

Media Manipulation

1. Negative Publicity Campaigns:

• Fear-Mongering: Launch extensive media campaigns highlighting the dangers of raw milk, using exaggerated statistics and sensational stories about illnesses and deaths.
• Celebrity Endorsements: Enlist celebrities and influencers to speak out against raw milk, using their platforms to spread negative messages.

2. Disinformation:

• Fake Studies: Fund and publish fake scientific studies that "prove" raw milk is dangerous, manipulating data to show high rates of contamination and illness.
• Media Outlets: Control major media outlets to ensure consistent dissemination of anti-raw milk propaganda.

Legal and Regulatory Measures

3. Strict Regulations:

• Legislation: Lobby for stringent laws that make it difficult, if not impossible, to produce, sell, or buy raw milk. Push for mandatory pasteurization regulations.
• Bureaucratic Hurdles: Introduce complex licensing and inspection processes that discourage small farmers from producing raw milk.

4. Litigation:

• Lawsuits: File lawsuits against raw milk producers and sellers, claiming public health risks and seeking large settlements to bankrupt them.
• Legal Threats: Threaten legal action against consumers and retailers to intimidate them into compliance.

Economic Tactics

5. Financial Pressure:

• Subsidies: Provide financial incentives and subsidies to pasteurized milk producers, making their products cheaper and more attractive to consumers.
• Market Control: Use monopolistic practices to control the dairy market, limiting access to raw milk and driving up its price.

6. Farmer Intimidation:

• Boycotts: Organize boycotts against farms that produce raw milk, cutting off their market and forcing them out of business.
• Economic Sanctions: Apply pressure on suppliers and distributors to avoid dealing with raw milk producers.

Social and Cultural Influence

7. Education System:

• Curriculum Control: Influence school curricula to teach children about the "dangers" of raw milk, ensuring future generations are biased against it.
• Public Health Campaigns: Fund public health campaigns that promote pasteurized milk as the only safe and healthy option.

In this hypothetical scenario, the motives behind the opposition to raw milk consumption would likely stem from a combination of economic, political, and social interests. Here are some potential motives and gains for such a group:

Economic Motives

1. Market Control and Profit:

• Monopolizing the Dairy Industry: By pushing pasteurization, large dairy corporations could control the market, ensuring that small, independent raw milk producers are driven out of business.
• Higher Profit Margins: Pasteurized milk has a longer shelf life, which is more profitable for large-scale producers and retailers. Controlling the supply chain from production to distribution increases their market power and profitability.

2. Investment Interests:

• Investments in Pasteurization Technology: Companies that produce and sell pasteurization equipment and technology would benefit from mandatory pasteurization laws.
• Baby Formula and Dairy Alternatives: If these companies have significant investments in baby formula, lactose-free products, or other dairy alternatives, discouraging raw milk could drive more consumers towards these profitable products.

Political and Regulatory Motives

3. Regulatory Power and Influence:

• Public Health Policies: Controlling dairy production through strict regulations allows these groups to wield significant influence over public health policies, reinforcing their authority and control.
• Industry Lobbying: By lobbying for stringent regulations against raw milk, these groups can strengthen their ties with governmental bodies, ensuring favorable treatment and protection of their interests.

Social and Psychological Motives

4. Social Engineering:

• Control Over Nutrition and Health: By promoting pasteurized milk as the safer option, these groups can shape public perceptions and behaviors regarding diet and health.
• Dependency on Processed Foods: Encouraging the consumption of processed and regulated foods over natural alternatives can foster a dependency on industrial food systems, reducing public autonomy in food choices.

Potential Gains from Malnourishment

5. Health and Pharmaceutical Industries:

• Increased Healthcare Costs: If pasteurized milk and other industrial food products lead to health issues due to lower nutrient content or higher sugar and additive content, the healthcare industry might see increased demand for medical treatments and pharmaceuticals.
• Pharmaceutical Sales: More health issues related to poor nutrition could lead to higher sales of medications and supplements to address deficiencies and related health problems.

Investment in Alternatives

6. Baby Formula and Dairy Replacements:

• Market Expansion: By discouraging raw milk, these groups can expand the market for baby formula and other milk substitutes, which are often more profitable than raw milk.
• Promoting Alternatives: Companies with investments in baby formula, soy milk, almond milk, and other dairy alternatives would benefit from a reduced competition from raw milk, driving more consumers to their products.

Control Over Agricultural Practices

7. Industrial Agriculture:

• Favoring Large-Scale Operations: Opposing raw milk can favor large-scale, industrial agricultural operations over small, independent farms. This consolidation of agriculture supports monoculture farming practices, which are often more aligned with the interests of large agribusinesses.
• Influence Over Farming Techniques: By promoting pasteurization, these groups can influence farming techniques and standards, pushing for practices that align with industrial efficiencies rather than traditional or organic methods.

Summary

In this imagined scenario, the opposition to raw milk consumption is driven by a desire for economic gain, market control, and influence over public health and agricultural practices. The group stands to benefit financially from monopolizing the dairy industry, expanding the market for dairy alternatives, and potentially increasing healthcare and pharmaceutical demand.

Family been drinking raw milk for 12 years. Nothing but good things to say. I can't drink the pasteurized crap anymore. Tastes strange. Their smear campaign is insidious. RM is so much better for the body.

Its only an issue if the farmer doesn't clean the teets.

The question would be exactly how did bird flu end up in cows? Can’t happen Bull Shiza.

There's an old tale I once heard about a bishop or a doctor or some such who took in a young boy who was extremely poor (presumably in the middle ages, but who the hell knows).

Supposedly, along with other odd tales, one day he caught the boy drinking milk that has clearly gone bad, and he took it away from him, causing the boy to cry for being deprived of food.

To calm the boy, the man in question immediately got him some fresh milk, which the boy immediately tore into, then complained that it didn't have much flavor.

Don't really have a point, just a funny story, though I will say I can usually tell when milk's about to go bad, because it tastes a hell of a lot better right before it sours.

I'm not a calf, I don't drink cow milk.

Eat cheese though, but not milk anymore. Just can't.

Luis Pasteur's famous last words - Germ is nothing, terrain is everything.

Just boil it for a few minutes.

And it will be ready to drink.

Where do they even offer raw milk? Seems harder to find than ivermectin

I used to buy raw milk a while back when I was close to a farm in PA. I wouldn't say it tasted much different from non-raw milk.

Just stay on their regiment of sugar and carcinogenic Franken-foods enriched with bugs they have mapped out for us and the “magic of health” will appear. 🙄🤡

This is just as bad as the recent attack on intermittent fasting.