When OHSA unilaterally mandated that tens of millions of private sector workers take the COVID shot or wear masks, appellate courts cited the Chevron doctrine for allowing it
The IRS has a slew of administrative law judges that assume a taxpayer's guilt without attempting to prove it; the patent office has been robbing small inventors wholesale with administrative rulings that invalidate their patents; the DEA and homeland security likewise strongarm people into settlements just like the IRS, getting millions just by threatening them with administrative lawfare "justice" that would never get through a court. And the gov't likewise sends out administrative subpoenas that look legal but agent, to go on information fishing expeditions instead of having to justify it before an actual judge.
It’s always funny when even Jon is talking about things, right after talking about kayfabe, saying he doesn’t understand why someone might be doing something, and doesn’t seem to understand that he might be talking about more kayfabe.
I guess even that could be kayfabe, but more likely it’s just harder to step outside the paradigm in the moment than it is in hindsight.
I’d like to see a good logic state map drawn out of how to analyze things against appearances.
I understand. Right here on this board I urged people over and over to use the constitution to assert their rights. So many said, but I just want a religious exemption. Nobody needed a religious exemption, or a medical exemption or any other kind. All they needed was the protection of the Constitution. Another thing I have said repeatedly on this board is that we have so many 'illegal' laws on the books in our country. If a law is repugnant to the Constitution, it is an illegal law. An unconstitutional congress and baloney bureaucracy helped create illegal laws. Congress was lazy and abdicated their responsibility. Somebody said it's just about regulations. Well, what are regulations and mandates other than illegals laws - by another name.
Congress was lazy and abdicated their responsibility.
Not sure that was the case. My guess is that radicals in congress purposely created vague laws so their radical minions in the agencies could define them. This makes it such that they can say they didn't vote for this radical stuff as it was the bureaucrats which make the decisions.
Yup. When the libs want another govt intrusion, they will have to get Congress to pass it. Congress doesn't have the time or the balls to explicitly pass everything the left wants. Also, a lot more of the senior service Fed employees won't be needed to make up and then enforce regulations.
Yes. I really doubt the constitutionality of the “deal” our government made with big pharma saying a private citizen cannot sue them for damages. How can the government negotiate away our rights?
If it’s the government doing it, that’s well and good. I advocated the same to government employees.
If it’s your “private” corporate job doing it in proxy for the government, little different situation.
Wouldn’t arguing constitutional rights to a private business require leaning on employment statutes that are already unconstitutional? Seems like shaky ground.
Religious exemption is indeed begging for breadcrumbs, I agree, but sometimes just gotta go with what works, take the W, and work on being better prepared next time.
Just pulled up an email I sent to Senator Vitter's Chief of staff back in 2013 on Chevron and the bullshit attempt by the "administrative agency" to interpret Obamacare as not being applicable to Congress members. If it rings a bell it involved the "Grassley Amendment" to Obamacare that required the law to apply to Congress and their staffers, etc.
I have been praying for Chevron to be reversed ever since. That decision was literally the reason that Nancy Pelosi wasn't kidding when she said "We have to pass it to see what's in it!" Our elected officials just punt their exclusive law making obligation to a bunch of deep state unelected bureaucrats.
They did end up calling me and I drafted a legal memo for them. Senator Johnson ended up filing suit on the research I provided but it was later dropped because if I recall correctly I think they amended the rule.
When OHSA unilaterally mandated that tens of millions of private sector workers take the COVID shot or wear masks, appellate courts cited the Chevron doctrine for allowing it
Lots of people do, lots more will.
The IRS has a slew of administrative law judges that assume a taxpayer's guilt without attempting to prove it; the patent office has been robbing small inventors wholesale with administrative rulings that invalidate their patents; the DEA and homeland security likewise strongarm people into settlements just like the IRS, getting millions just by threatening them with administrative lawfare "justice" that would never get through a court. And the gov't likewise sends out administrative subpoenas that look legal but agent, to go on information fishing expeditions instead of having to justify it before an actual judge.
This is monumental.
Yes it is! I'm still trying to extrapolate all the implications! Absolutely MASSIVE!!!
u/#spicy
It’s always funny when even Jon is talking about things, right after talking about kayfabe, saying he doesn’t understand why someone might be doing something, and doesn’t seem to understand that he might be talking about more kayfabe.
I guess even that could be kayfabe, but more likely it’s just harder to step outside the paradigm in the moment than it is in hindsight.
I’d like to see a good logic state map drawn out of how to analyze things against appearances.
For sure.
We should have posts to teach on how to execute these things here. It’s one thing to know them, and about them, and another to know how to do them.
I know. That's why I was searching for what different sectors have to say about this. It looks like this Chevron Defense was used in so many areas.
Before long they'll be TWO LETTER AGENCIES.
Hopefully just an N and an A.
Omg, that's gold!
I die!
Yes, more people will. We have been screwed over so much in so many sectors. This was a win!
So admiralty law of the seas?
I would love to hear Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch take on this. He actually still does Common Law juries.
Why call it “monumental” when we could call it … “Titanic”?
Hey who misplaced all the lifeboats?
I understand. Right here on this board I urged people over and over to use the constitution to assert their rights. So many said, but I just want a religious exemption. Nobody needed a religious exemption, or a medical exemption or any other kind. All they needed was the protection of the Constitution. Another thing I have said repeatedly on this board is that we have so many 'illegal' laws on the books in our country. If a law is repugnant to the Constitution, it is an illegal law. An unconstitutional congress and baloney bureaucracy helped create illegal laws. Congress was lazy and abdicated their responsibility. Somebody said it's just about regulations. Well, what are regulations and mandates other than illegals laws - by another name.
Not sure that was the case. My guess is that radicals in congress purposely created vague laws so their radical minions in the agencies could define them. This makes it such that they can say they didn't vote for this radical stuff as it was the bureaucrats which make the decisions.
Exactly. The 'lazy' & 'incompetence' defence doesn't work anymore.
THEY WERE ALWAYS MALICIOUS, WITH INTENT.
All the shit that happened was planned, not a random consequence of incompetence. It was a desired consequence of intentional malice.
The 'idiot' defense is over. We see them for what they are and reject them.
Yup. When the libs want another govt intrusion, they will have to get Congress to pass it. Congress doesn't have the time or the balls to explicitly pass everything the left wants. Also, a lot more of the senior service Fed employees won't be needed to make up and then enforce regulations.
Yes. I really doubt the constitutionality of the “deal” our government made with big pharma saying a private citizen cannot sue them for damages. How can the government negotiate away our rights?
If it’s the government doing it, that’s well and good. I advocated the same to government employees.
If it’s your “private” corporate job doing it in proxy for the government, little different situation.
Wouldn’t arguing constitutional rights to a private business require leaning on employment statutes that are already unconstitutional? Seems like shaky ground.
Religious exemption is indeed begging for breadcrumbs, I agree, but sometimes just gotta go with what works, take the W, and work on being better prepared next time.
Word. This is the story of the day.
Of the year. Aint no scamdemic 2 mandates with the Chevron Deference. Elon Musk reposted about how it’ll free up technology innovation.
So far. I hear that even more things are coming this year. Not only will they also be yuuge, but nothing can stop 'em.
Stop! I can only erect so much iron scaffolding.
(Been following gamestonk too much)
America has 4% of the world’s population and 25+% of the lawyers. The saying in Soviet Russia was “show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”.
Could this free up medical patents and allow for more “experimental” treatments and cures?
Right in time for 🐦 💉
All the strings used to control us in 2020 seem to be falling away.
This is the final battle.
Yes.
Paragraph. This is the story of the month. ;)
Let's pause to thank Trump. It was his Supreme Court Justices that did this.
BuT TrUmP's ApOiNTmENtS DoN'T dO AnYthInG...
Just pulled up an email I sent to Senator Vitter's Chief of staff back in 2013 on Chevron and the bullshit attempt by the "administrative agency" to interpret Obamacare as not being applicable to Congress members. If it rings a bell it involved the "Grassley Amendment" to Obamacare that required the law to apply to Congress and their staffers, etc.
I have been praying for Chevron to be reversed ever since. That decision was literally the reason that Nancy Pelosi wasn't kidding when she said "We have to pass it to see what's in it!" Our elected officials just punt their exclusive law making obligation to a bunch of deep state unelected bureaucrats.
They did end up calling me and I drafted a legal memo for them. Senator Johnson ended up filing suit on the research I provided but it was later dropped because if I recall correctly I think they amended the rule.
Nice work!
This is a huge win, and the poor showing of the potato in chief is keeping it out of the news.
That's a double win, as the commies would be shit talking this non stop.
This is the single largest blow to the adminstrative state's power that could be made outside of a complete overthrow of the federal government.
This is a huge ruling that has immediate and far-reaching implications. No more federal agencies creating law out of thin air.
But what about the existing “laws”. Seems like we’re gonna need a lot of lawsuits going forward
It is huge. Agencies have been making up their own laws and they are tyrants about it.
"Petty bureaucrats" has long been the term used
#BFD
Massive win on all fronts, it’s Yuge
So ham sandwiches everywhere are now breathing a sigh of relief 😅?
🎯
Very good point. I have requested a sticky for this.
Thanks fren!