it's either the US govt bureaucrats (according to pharma company), or the pharma company itself (according to US govt bureaucrats). pick your poison. i reckon it's both
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma or the US government of granting us lower prices? It is more likely that the highest possible price will be demanded, and that price is likely to be higher in the United States.
They absolutley do- it is simple, pharma companies go over and say "lookie! New drug! Heres the price..." and countries say, "no, price too high- our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAMS will not pay THAT!!! We will pay xxxx or NO NEW DRUG IN OUR COUNTRY"
Sauce: i used tonwork in pharma and saw the beast from the inside- we are ABSOLUTELY SUBSIDIZING MEDS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES and have been for DECADES!
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma
u/yoshikawa: ABSO-fucking-LUTELY YES ! Actually: they do it every time !
And it is absolutely right despite you Americans could call it wrong: socialism. Right because pharmaceutical companies have monopoly on their products so it isn't free market anyway. And fighting monopolies endangering consumer right is absolutely the job of the government in healthy free market economy.
It would be free market if everyone company who wants it could after mixing some chemicals make pharmaceuticals. But it is not possible as those products are patented. And who keeps patents (so called intellectual property isn't property at all but law privilege of monopoly on something) enforced ? The state.
But that NOT means that Americans are paying for the costs of production and Europe is parasitising. If US government allows excess profits for those foreign pharmaceutical companies then that is US consumer problem with US government. As it means US government not negotiates at all about limiting those prices or gets "somehow" terrible deals (and let me guess: people related to those who negotiate those deals or those people get seats in those pharmaceutical companies or gifts from them and nobody cares isn't it ?)
Do people who buy cheaper because they negotiate with seller are stealing from moron who overpays ? I don't think so. Bad news: you have morons or corrupted beyond reason scums in American administration - and you allow it to be such.
I'm no expert, but don't these European countries all have socialized healthcare? Their taxes go to supplementing the costs of these "medicines" for their own citizens (plus migrants). Meanwhile, the USA accounts for 40% of the world's military spending. Last year, the US had committed $48bil in military aid to Europe, substantially more than all European countries combined. Our tax money here in the states is spent on the protection of the EU which allows these countries to offer cushy subsidies to its citizens. Great deal for us Americans, isn't it? Our grandparents sacrificed themselves to win a war and their children are forever sacrificing their hard earned money to keep the world safe.
this USA = knight in shining armor mindset is baffling to me. it didn't even apply to WW2 when you start to learn what actually happened, and the fact that washington will happily sacrifice millions upon the altar of geopolitics doesn't mean those people died for a worthy cause, or that europe should be even further in debt to them as gratitude.
"protect europe"? from what? from the russia they intentionally antagonize? because it's certainly not protecting europe from the millions of migrants that are taking the opportunity to run away from the shitholes that USA keeps carpet bombing. europe and russia had been getting along fine since USSR fell, and that PRECISELY was the problem for washington. that was and is the sole purpose of nato expansionism. it needs europe to be dependent on it, as vassal states. it needs an external threat to achieve that. this is how geopolitics works. there is no altruism. EU leaders in return invariably support US foreign policy. it's a protection racket.
but anyway, of that figure you referenced, it wasn't aid sent to "europe", it was ukraine (should have been obvious but whatever), another CIA-sponsored designer war. you can see how UK, France, Portugal and Norway received laughable amounts of US military foreign aid in 2023:
You are correct, Sir/Madam. I see now that figure is for Ukraine only. I apologize for lumping the other EU countries in there together. We only gave a paltry $51.1 billie (split up amongst 157 countries) in foreign/military aid. You're welcome by the way. I hope our hard earned money helps you and your country's citizens afford childcare, education, medical care, etc.
And the reason why the "knight in shining armor" mindset Americans have that baffles you so is because you are obviously an entitled Eurotwat. Americans had no intention of entering ww2. Just as I'm sure you would not be expected to get drafted and go overseas to fight another country's battle for them. Well that's what happened to the US. Our men didn't want to fight until they gave them a reason to. Our big beautiful country could produce like no other, once they got going, while our boys up at the front got shit done. They fought and died and won your continent back for you. What 'worthier cause' is there than that?
They're not so much with this subject: pharmaceutical drugs. Bureaucracy and lobbying is a much bigger problem than European medical consumers and manufacturers.
Agree, but burgers and pizza in and of themselves are not bad. It's the poisons found in them and the cooking ingredients that are the underlying issue.
Maybe and remember - that's genetics" or "you simply have fat bones" /s
Bro,there is a reason we call it in Europe "junk food". Except maybe Brits - they too love bathing in fat and being faaaaat (but we too have growing obesity problems in Europe because healthy food prices are growing crazy)
I don't know you like Vance or not (not being in GAW for a looong time),but even he mentioned in his book that proper diet (combined by experts of US military) instead of eating junk food took part in changing his life after boot camp and service for better.
Burgers and pizza = Too much fat and carbohydrates released TOO FAST to your blood => sugar level skyrocketing in blood => diabetes. Those carbohydrates in Burgers and pizza release sugar (glucose) for very short time -> you will soon be hungry again -> so you will overeat over and over again -> being fat and diabetes.
Then people back in the 1940's would have been fat just like many people are today cuz they had burgers and pizzas back then?
I understand the logic but I also believe it's the chemicals that goes into burgers and pizzas that has changed since the 1940's that caused people to be fatter today compared to the days of old.
it's the chemicals
True.. But the reason is also people were eating other things too.
The "problem" is real food requires some effort and time to cook it. While in any bar time is money,and faster is better.
Then people back in the 1940's would have been fat just like many people are today cuz they had burgers and pizzas
No. But the composition of their food were similar to burgers and pizzas. You know - diet having so much fat and simple carbohydrates can be great for people working very hard physically. But if it would become tradition and those people would end working so hard... It would have such results like buying car with diesel engine but tanking it with gasoline because you were used to tank it in your old car.
It is reasonable to disagree with this statement. People are eating far less than 100 years ago and we exercise more, but obesity has gone from a very rare disease that you might go to a specialist for to the norm.
People don't need to eat less, either through drugs or self control. People need to raise their metabolisms.
The first thing to realise is that any asking price has very little to do with the cost of manufacture.
A month's supply of Ozempic may well cost only $1 to make. The rest could be profit. There is a reason that Pfizer can give cash dividends of around $9 billion every year.
side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, constipation, upset stomach, heartburn, burping, gas, bloating, loss of appetite, runny nose or sore throat, stomach flu symptoms or headache, dizziness, tiredness and low blood sugar
Gosh, I'd spend $1,300 for that. Back in the day you could only get that if someone poisoned you. Now you can get it from those who want to help. It truly is becoming a wonderful world.
I am beyond bemused at this post. So raise the price of European drugs so that you feel better about the cost in the US. Beyond ridiculous. I agree with 1484.
Stop stuffing shit in your gob and go for a fucking walk.
Actually it isn't working this way with medicines that Europe pays less.
Thing is:
Refundation in "socialist" European Healthcare - not exits in USA.
Simply : Tax payer money to big pharma -> cheaper medicines.
Crazy and evil ? Well : I think NOT and I am NOT commie. Of course big pharma is parasiting on the society,but healthy society = healthy economy. And one of USA problems is the fact many of Americans end disabled because of lack of proper therapies - because everyone in Europe knows it: serious health problem in USA = your bankrupcy. But: It ruins your economy and lives too at the end.
And worse: it opens the way for real communists and their propaganda.
Government Deals with Pharmaceutical Company:
regulation of prices/maximal prices. Not exists in USA or some US government officials are corrupted.
Well it IS kind of socialist practice too but it is JUSTIFIED as that are critical goods and speculation on its prices can KILL people needing medical help.
It is fucking critical infrastructure.Would US government allow for example Energy companies to stop supplying whole cities with electricity for weeks with (at least!) no local politicians removed ? Would you accept it ? I think such thing would be unbelievable as USA is not third world country.
It would be dumber and crazier that those terrorist "lockdowns".
But speculation on medicines prices is for some crazy reason allowed in USA because of "free market". Hello: is market of PATENTED and CONTROLLED goods really free or is that government-supported private MONOPOLY over production of critical goods ? Come on - It is so dangerous like monopoly over food and water ! You neither allow nor wont it in the USA - do you ?
(what worse in USA it can be: monopoly without government limiting profits of those not being "free market" at all MONOPOLY).
3.What are drugstores profits in USA ? Unknown.
Who produces Ozempic ? Novo Nordisk A/S. HQ in Denmark.
Wait the moment... Do that means there is no company in USA which can produce insuline for Americans ?
Isn't Ozempic produced /having producer HQ in Danemark ?
And copying things certainly isn't legal,but "intelectual property" is really government/law enforced monopoly over production and selling of things.
By the way I heard many US farmers were using russian or ukrainian cracks because of John Deere license not allowing you to repair your tractor and software in it prohibiting you from doing it. So were that their tractors they paid for - or not ? Yes or no. Simply : Yes or No,nothing behind,because that "mental gymnastics"/lawyers speech would be lie overcomplicating simple problem.
Of course people producing digital goods or researching things deserve to be paid and be paid well but copying is NOT communism. It is simply breaking somebody laws granted and enforced by the government. Justified laws of course (people doing great things deserve to be paid), but laws which can be limited no other way than government - local and central - limits some uses of your property. And if intervention in this laws are communist - then essentially ALL and EVERY government intervention is.
Before those "intellectual property" laws everyone where copying and this way progress was made. Great progress actually. And if Cabal is able hiding technologies from public and limit availability of it - then mostly it is possible because of patents being sometimes secret - and sometimes in plain sight, because you can't use it.
or maybe you stop gobbling burgers and pizzas 24/7 so u wont need bigpharma miracle medicines in the first place (plot twist it causes thyroid cancer)
True.
But we need to stop allowing Europe to steal from us.
"europe" isn't stealing from you
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozempic-1-300-more-expensive-110407376.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/senators-press-novo-nordisk-ceo-on-why-ozempic-and-wegovy-cost-less-abroad/ar-AA1r8gP5
it's either the US govt bureaucrats (according to pharma company), or the pharma company itself (according to US govt bureaucrats). pick your poison. i reckon it's both
You are correct.
I meant the European government.
Do you really think any European government or the EU are in the least capable of forcing big Pharma or the US government of granting us lower prices? It is more likely that the highest possible price will be demanded, and that price is likely to be higher in the United States.
They absolutley do- it is simple, pharma companies go over and say "lookie! New drug! Heres the price..." and countries say, "no, price too high- our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAMS will not pay THAT!!! We will pay xxxx or NO NEW DRUG IN OUR COUNTRY" Sauce: i used tonwork in pharma and saw the beast from the inside- we are ABSOLUTELY SUBSIDIZING MEDS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES and have been for DECADES!
u/yoshikawa: ABSO-fucking-LUTELY YES ! Actually: they do it every time !
And it is absolutely right despite you Americans could call it wrong: socialism. Right because pharmaceutical companies have monopoly on their products so it isn't free market anyway. And fighting monopolies endangering consumer right is absolutely the job of the government in healthy free market economy.
It would be free market if everyone company who wants it could after mixing some chemicals make pharmaceuticals. But it is not possible as those products are patented. And who keeps patents (so called intellectual property isn't property at all but law privilege of monopoly on something) enforced ? The state.
But that NOT means that Americans are paying for the costs of production and Europe is parasitising. If US government allows excess profits for those foreign pharmaceutical companies then that is US consumer problem with US government. As it means US government not negotiates at all about limiting those prices or gets "somehow" terrible deals (and let me guess: people related to those who negotiate those deals or those people get seats in those pharmaceutical companies or gifts from them and nobody cares isn't it ?)
Do people who buy cheaper because they negotiate with seller are stealing from moron who overpays ? I don't think so. Bad news: you have morons or corrupted beyond reason scums in American administration - and you allow it to be such.
I'm no expert, but don't these European countries all have socialized healthcare? Their taxes go to supplementing the costs of these "medicines" for their own citizens (plus migrants). Meanwhile, the USA accounts for 40% of the world's military spending. Last year, the US had committed $48bil in military aid to Europe, substantially more than all European countries combined. Our tax money here in the states is spent on the protection of the EU which allows these countries to offer cushy subsidies to its citizens. Great deal for us Americans, isn't it? Our grandparents sacrificed themselves to win a war and their children are forever sacrificing their hard earned money to keep the world safe.
NOT EUROPEAN CITIZEN'S FAULT. FFS. But you go right ahead and buy into the media division.
I'm not saying it is. I'm pissed at our deep state. More of us Americans need to be too.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/
this USA = knight in shining armor mindset is baffling to me. it didn't even apply to WW2 when you start to learn what actually happened, and the fact that washington will happily sacrifice millions upon the altar of geopolitics doesn't mean those people died for a worthy cause, or that europe should be even further in debt to them as gratitude.
"protect europe"? from what? from the russia they intentionally antagonize? because it's certainly not protecting europe from the millions of migrants that are taking the opportunity to run away from the shitholes that USA keeps carpet bombing. europe and russia had been getting along fine since USSR fell, and that PRECISELY was the problem for washington. that was and is the sole purpose of nato expansionism. it needs europe to be dependent on it, as vassal states. it needs an external threat to achieve that. this is how geopolitics works. there is no altruism. EU leaders in return invariably support US foreign policy. it's a protection racket.
but anyway, of that figure you referenced, it wasn't aid sent to "europe", it was ukraine (should have been obvious but whatever), another CIA-sponsored designer war. you can see how UK, France, Portugal and Norway received laughable amounts of US military foreign aid in 2023:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
also this page has a cool graph at the bottom where you can select different countries to see how much US military aid they received over the years:
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-give-other-countries-in-military-aid/
sadly it stops short at 2020 but that graph for ukraine for the last 4 years is absolutely retarded by comparison:
https://www.stephensemler.com/p/updated-figures-us-aid-to-ukraine
You are correct, Sir/Madam. I see now that figure is for Ukraine only. I apologize for lumping the other EU countries in there together. We only gave a paltry $51.1 billie (split up amongst 157 countries) in foreign/military aid. You're welcome by the way. I hope our hard earned money helps you and your country's citizens afford childcare, education, medical care, etc.
And the reason why the "knight in shining armor" mindset Americans have that baffles you so is because you are obviously an entitled Eurotwat. Americans had no intention of entering ww2. Just as I'm sure you would not be expected to get drafted and go overseas to fight another country's battle for them. Well that's what happened to the US. Our men didn't want to fight until they gave them a reason to. Our big beautiful country could produce like no other, once they got going, while our boys up at the front got shit done. They fought and died and won your continent back for you. What 'worthier cause' is there than that?
you probably think iraqis should be grateful too
Incorrect.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/
like the hill is a reliable source gtfoh
Since the Hill is leftist publication they wouldn't lie something like this.
They're not so much with this subject: pharmaceutical drugs. Bureaucracy and lobbying is a much bigger problem than European medical consumers and manufacturers.
and canada and mexico and ...
I heard GMO is making people fat. Not to mention all the other food related chemicals going into our food that are BANNED in Europe.
true
Agree, but burgers and pizza in and of themselves are not bad. It's the poisons found in them and the cooking ingredients that are the underlying issue.
Nothing wrong with burgers and pizza in principle, just don't eat it every single day and source better ingredients.
Burger is fine for every meal… and it’s the crust on pizza that is the issue.
Maybe and remember - that's genetics" or "you simply have fat bones" /s
Bro,there is a reason we call it in Europe "junk food". Except maybe Brits - they too love bathing in fat and being faaaaat (but we too have growing obesity problems in Europe because healthy food prices are growing crazy)
I don't know you like Vance or not (not being in GAW for a looong time),but even he mentioned in his book that proper diet (combined by experts of US military) instead of eating junk food took part in changing his life after boot camp and service for better.
Burgers and pizza = Too much fat and carbohydrates released TOO FAST to your blood => sugar level skyrocketing in blood => diabetes. Those carbohydrates in Burgers and pizza release sugar (glucose) for very short time -> you will soon be hungry again -> so you will overeat over and over again -> being fat and diabetes.
Then people back in the 1940's would have been fat just like many people are today cuz they had burgers and pizzas back then?
I understand the logic but I also believe it's the chemicals that goes into burgers and pizzas that has changed since the 1940's that caused people to be fatter today compared to the days of old.
The "problem" is real food requires some effort and time to cook it. While in any bar time is money,and faster is better.
No. But the composition of their food were similar to burgers and pizzas. You know - diet having so much fat and simple carbohydrates can be great for people working very hard physically. But if it would become tradition and those people would end working so hard... It would have such results like buying car with diesel engine but tanking it with gasoline because you were used to tank it in your old car.
yeah it was mostly hyperbole for the overall american bad habits & bad ingredients
Really the bigger point.
It looks like a fatty didn’t agree 😆
It is reasonable to disagree with this statement. People are eating far less than 100 years ago and we exercise more, but obesity has gone from a very rare disease that you might go to a specialist for to the norm.
People don't need to eat less, either through drugs or self control. People need to raise their metabolisms.
I'll just sit back and wait for age and metabolic slow down to catch up with you. LOL! It happens to everyone.
that shit is poison....just fucking exercise and eat whole foods.....this shit aint complicated
Most underrated comment. +1
The first thing to realise is that any asking price has very little to do with the cost of manufacture.
A month's supply of Ozempic may well cost only $1 to make. The rest could be profit. There is a reason that Pfizer can give cash dividends of around $9 billion every year.
MWD said in the substack that addresses this very thing is that it is less than $5.
Note: good background on tue current lobbying to get Medicare to cover it and the reasons why it currently is not.
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/the-great-ozempic-hustle?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2
So we subsidize their health and defense and prob several other things. Got it.
Also Ozempic isn't even allowed for use in Denmark, they make that poison for everyone except themselves.
That's not true
America is here to subsidize all non-Americans.
This is a stupid take. The us can seller it cheaper. They chose not to
side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, constipation, upset stomach, heartburn, burping, gas, bloating, loss of appetite, runny nose or sore throat, stomach flu symptoms or headache, dizziness, tiredness and low blood sugar
Gosh, I'd spend $1,300 for that. Back in the day you could only get that if someone poisoned you. Now you can get it from those who want to help. It truly is becoming a wonderful world.
Ozempic is poison
Stay away from Ozempic. I heard it's terrible on the pancreas and I won't be suprised to see a lot of pancreatic issues in the future.
I am beyond bemused at this post. So raise the price of European drugs so that you feel better about the cost in the US. Beyond ridiculous. I agree with 1484. Stop stuffing shit in your gob and go for a fucking walk.
The problem ----- US drug patents give a license to overcharge.
End drug patents.
https://accessiblemeds.org/resources/blog/pharmaceutical-patent-abuse-infinity-and-beyond
https://med.fsu.edu/sites/default/files/news-publications/print/The%20US%20drug%20industry%20used%20to%20oppose%20patents%20%E2%80%93%20what%20changed_.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08989621.2024.2324913
FINALLY Big Pharma is helping Americans. Go Figure. All puns intended.
Actually it isn't working this way with medicines that Europe pays less.
Thing is:
Crazy and evil ? Well : I think NOT and I am NOT commie. Of course big pharma is parasiting on the society,but healthy society = healthy economy. And one of USA problems is the fact many of Americans end disabled because of lack of proper therapies - because everyone in Europe knows it: serious health problem in USA = your bankrupcy. But: It ruins your economy and lives too at the end.
And worse: it opens the way for real communists and their propaganda.
Well it IS kind of socialist practice too but it is JUSTIFIED as that are critical goods and speculation on its prices can KILL people needing medical help.
It is fucking critical infrastructure.Would US government allow for example Energy companies to stop supplying whole cities with electricity for weeks with (at least!) no local politicians removed ? Would you accept it ? I think such thing would be unbelievable as USA is not third world country.
It would be dumber and crazier that those terrorist "lockdowns".
But speculation on medicines prices is for some crazy reason allowed in USA because of "free market". Hello: is market of PATENTED and CONTROLLED goods really free or is that government-supported private MONOPOLY over production of critical goods ? Come on - It is so dangerous like monopoly over food and water ! You neither allow nor wont it in the USA - do you ?
(what worse in USA it can be: monopoly without government limiting profits of those not being "free market" at all MONOPOLY).
3.What are drugstores profits in USA ? Unknown.
Wait the moment... Do that means there is no company in USA which can produce insuline for Americans ?
pharmaceuticals are poison... soo...
Many times it’s because other countries copy things with no r and d.
Isn't Ozempic produced /having producer HQ in Danemark ?
And copying things certainly isn't legal,but "intelectual property" is really government/law enforced monopoly over production and selling of things.
By the way I heard many US farmers were using russian or ukrainian cracks because of John Deere license not allowing you to repair your tractor and software in it prohibiting you from doing it. So were that their tractors they paid for - or not ? Yes or no. Simply : Yes or No,nothing behind,because that "mental gymnastics"/lawyers speech would be lie overcomplicating simple problem.
Of course people producing digital goods or researching things deserve to be paid and be paid well but copying is NOT communism. It is simply breaking somebody laws granted and enforced by the government. Justified laws of course (people doing great things deserve to be paid), but laws which can be limited no other way than government - local and central - limits some uses of your property. And if intervention in this laws are communist - then essentially ALL and EVERY government intervention is.
Before those "intellectual property" laws everyone where copying and this way progress was made. Great progress actually. And if Cabal is able hiding technologies from public and limit availability of it - then mostly it is possible because of patents being sometimes secret - and sometimes in plain sight, because you can't use it.
How about people quit eating their body weight in carbs every month? Don't tax me to pay for your bad dietary choices.
South Park just made an episode about the cost of this very drug earlier this year. I believe it can be found on Paramount+.
Now look at all the salaries behind the people who allow those brands into medicine.