I really appreciate the shout-outs and Ian’s kind words about my book, but there are some things I don’t think were portrayed necessarily accurately about my work, both regarding Epstein and otherwise, and I think I should take the time to clarify those things. I’m not looking to cast shade on anyone with this clarification, just that I think I am the most qualified person to represent my own work and when other people do it, not on my behalf but their own, it can sometimes lead to misconceptions.
My interest is ultimately in my work being accurately conveyed, particularly to large audiences. Obviously the best way to understand my book is to read it, but many who watch the Rogan podcast, for example, won’t. I would happily make these clarifications on Rogan’s platform or another platform of similar size if I ever got invited.
One thing I’d like to clarify is that my books do not make the claim that “Epstein was Mossad,” the book instead argues that Epstein was an important part of a network – though arguably middle management – for a group composed of transgenerational organized crime interests (most of whom are the remnant of the Jewish mob component of the National Crime Syndicate and who promote ethno-fascist policies including via their ethnically focused philanthropy, among other activities) and major factions within both American and Israeli intelligence. They are not synonymous with either intelligence agency but arguably dominate the leadership of those intelligence agencies.
Evidence for Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence links him with Israeli military intelligence as opposed to Mossad, which are different parts of the Israeli intelligence apparatus (For example, it would be like confusing the DIA with the CIA). However, as noted above, Epstein was ultimately working for a network that greatly influences and exerts significant control over both the US and Israel (among other places) and that network is more loyal to itself than any one nation and also involves multiple intelligence agencies. While many people do casually use Mossad as a catch-all term for Israeli intelligence, I don’t agree with that and not making the accurate distinction creates an opening for dishonest actors to discredit the work that I and others have done on this topic when not framed properly.
Another thing I’d like to clarify is the implication that my historical reporting on the Epstein case is commendable, while my more current reporting on technocracy is significantly less so. My book on Epstein concludes with an entire chapter discussing how Epstein became irrelevant and thus expendable because the union of Big Tech with the intelligence apparatus, particularly those intelligence agencies most corrupted by the “Epstein network”, with a major focus on the national security contractor Palantir and its co-founder Peter Thiel.
While Ian is an admitted fan of my book, the reporting on technocracy that he describes as more of a turn-off for most than my Epstein book is actually in the book on Epstein itself and is arguably the main conclusion as it related to the present, from the book. There, I note that Palantir is the privatization and recreation of a nefarious neocon project developed by top figures from the Iran-Contra scandal and how tools like it, and its Unit 8200-developed equivalents from Israel, have amassed so much information on us and can also plant false or incriminating evidence on one’s devices without their knowledge, have made the type of sex blackmail ops once practiced by Epstein and other figures mentioned in the book no longer needed or relevant.
I am not sure if Ian has discussed Thiel or Palantir very much (I don’t believe he has but may be wrong on that), but a lot of my concerns about technocracy and the current administration are intimately related to both and those concerns are very well documented in One Nation Under Blackmail (which was published even before the official confirmation of Thiel-Epstein meetings). Of course, Peter Thiel’s errand boy now being Vice President of the US and the many Thiel or Palantir-adjacent figures in this administration make this not politically expedient to point out, particularly if the views you publicly propagate involve claiming that the current administration is a major departure from the Epstein network, which I argue – in my book as well as today – that it is likely not.
In that same vein, I think it is important to push back as nicely as possible on Ian’s suggestion that the Erik Prince “unplugged” phone seems to be a good investment for those concerned about illegal surveillance. While Ian has since described that as an “off-handed” comment and that he hasn't researched the phone, I think both he and everyone should know the following.
Prince has a close relationship with and hired the Unit 8200 alumnus and co-founder of the Epstein and Thiel-funded (and Ehud Barak-chaired) Carbyne911, which seeks to harvest as much data off of your phone as possible when you call 911 and feed the same pre-crime paradigm with that data that Palantir is also seeking to develop (Carbyne is discussed in my book as well). With this woman (her name is Lital Leshem), Prince has developed a very suspect company to funnel technology and products developed by foreign military/intelligence (in this case, Israel) to the US military, creating a loophole for acquisition of what would normally be forbidden products for the US military. In addition, the “unplugged” phone itself was also developed by Unit 8200 almuni. This is significant as Israel has an admitted policy of using companies created by “former” Unit 8200 operatives as fronts for activities Unit 8200 and Mossad once conducted “in house”. For anyone concerned about sex blackmail, Israeli intelligence espionage and/or pre-crime, stay as far away from this phone as possible. Sources for some of the points made above are contained in reporting that I published after my book came out, so I will post those links below.
To conclude, I am more than happy to and very capable of representing my own work to any audience, and when other people try to represent my work instead of me, even if well-intentioned, it can lead to misconceptions about me, my work and my conclusions and I think it is well within reason for me to do my best to ensure that my work is portrayed as accurately as possible.
Thanks for posting this. Your highlights are scary, meaning that there is a really unsettling possibility that the DS has infiltrated Trump. Can you image if pedo porn were planted on Trump's devices?
I’m not sure about that. What I do know is that Kellogg and others have spent time working at Oracle and I believe Kellogg to be part of Q. He’s been with Trump since New Hampshire. Trump said recently, can’t remember when/where, that Kellogg had asked him to run, specifically Kellogg.
Trump would probably beat it. An anon researcher who gets too close to the truth? Much less likely to... We need digital forensics at the highest level to be mandatory in digital crimes cases, not just "officer found it on your phone"
That may be black pill types of assertions, but doesn’t mean they’re necessarily wrong or not things we should watch out for.
Imo watching as many narrative branches as possible, all at once, is the way to go.
“It could be thing A, it could be thing B, if it’s thing A, and C happens, it could go here or here, or if it’s thing B And event D happens, these things come into play.”
Seems like the best way to see something coming.
Worth reminding that the Palantir was the thing that corrupted Saruman in LOTR, if anyone is somehow not familiar with it.
This dude is too well read on certain subjects like pizzagate whilst referencing specifics to not be following Q like a hawk. So either these two (him and Joe) were told it's 'not time yet' to admit Q is real or something more nefarious.
Even more believable than the guy who attempted to turn witness on LBJ, before suddenly getting so sad he shot himself 7 times in the gut with a pump action .22.
One thing that seems to be missed by virtually everyone in regard to the Epstein case ("case" referring to people who participated in the crimes Epstein was involved in) is that the evidence can't be released because criminal prosecution would be seriously jeopardized!
Could someone who understands all this (i don't), explain this
"...course, Peter Thiel’s errand boy now being Vice President of the US and the many Thiel or Palantir-adjacent figures in this administration make this not politically expedient to point out, particularly if the views you publicly propagate involve claiming that the current administration is a major departure from the Epstein network, which I argue – in my book as well as today – that it is likely not"
"Thiel hired Vance at his global investment firm in 2017, and then nurtured Vance's political rise, donating $15 million to his 2022 Ohio Senate campaign and helping him win a closely fought GOP primary before going on to capture the seat in the general election."
While I would like to say that Webb is nonpartisan, terms used such as “errand boy” or “tools” doesn’t really suggest that she is nonpartisan. I would be interested in how she came to the conclusion that Vance is an errand boy. I would also suggest that for her to say that Trump is not a major departure from the Epstein network, I guess she hasn’t noticed his stance on human trafficking and protecting children.
Game theory, check out what Lt Col Bossi says about some of the things the military did to gain confidence in the enemy. Not saying that is what happened, just saying anything is possible in war
I don't know either way but I read his book (ostensibly the REASON he's famous) and it very clearly reads like something that is ghostwritten - it's done in that VERY hard to achieve "no style" style. So it's odd to me he got famous off a ghostwritten book - normally people who are ALREADY famous use ghostwriters. Also odd he got a film deal off the book - which I thought was a bit of a let down content wise after all the hype around it.
I don't think so BUT he apparently has some dodgy connections with Theil and Palantir. I don't think Sundance trusts him, nor Musk, but I don't think Vance is anywhere near Pence level. At least I hope not, as I quite like him.
There's another agenda going on with this tech stuff apparently. Sundance is a bit of a doomsayer lately but he's been right on many things and maybe he'll be right about the nefarious objectives of Palantir and how they infiltrating the admin.
Everyone that rises to some level of power will be influenced by those that made it possible / happen. The bigger question is how does that influence align with our own agenda in life? Remembering also that a wolf can wear sheep's clothing
Great podcast on JRE if you haven’t seen it already. Ian was definitely red-pilled a few years ago, and he has been digging and presenting information that would most-definitely wake up many still trapped in the matrix.
Kudos to Ian, Whitney, and Joe for bringing good information to the masses.
"and its Unit 8200-developed equivalents from Israel, have amassed so much information on us and can also plant false or incriminating evidence on one’s devices without their knowledge, have made the type of sex blackmail ops once practiced by Epstein and other figures mentioned in the book no longer needed or relevant."
This is why we have the big push on deep fakes and showing the world what AI can do. So blackmail becomes useless. Everything will be fake and gay.
BornPeter Andreas Thiel
11 October 1967 (age 57)
Frankfurt, West Germany
Citizenship
United States
New Zealand
EducationStanford University (BA, JD)
Occupations
Businessmanentrepreneurventure capitalist
Title
President of Clarium Capital
Chairman of Palantir
Partner in Founders Fund
Chairman of Valar Ventures
Chair of Mithril Capital
Political partyRepublican
SpouseMatt Danzeisen (m. 2017)
There are the academic researchers, cold and black pilled, whom no one can truly trust or understand. Then there are the regular dudes like Ian who consume and process the material from the academic researchers into a format that the rest of us can glean from. Hat tip to Ian, who is someone I trust far more than Whitney. He has the good vibe.
Per Ian saying Whitney is smarter than him. That's a nice gesture on his part as far as reaching out and working together.
Intelligence is not about the answers you give but the questions you ask.
We all need to see what other says and learn. Obviously there are people who are dumb and have zero good to say or anything of particular interest. I don't think that is the case here on this board Greatawakening.
Sure I've seen some dumb comments, but 99% of the time most folks here have something valuable to add. As you all know I'm a liberal. But wanna know something I've gotten more respect here than at a place like DailyKos. I left them over 15+ years ago due to them being off the chain far far left. Democratic Underground the same.
So we need to listen, take notes, and reach out. Our country is in trouble and working together to find the truth and expose the lies and treachery is paramount.
Was over at Kos through the Iraq invasion build-up and first couple of years. Never really had any nice conversations over there, and one that was turning nasty when I dropped off.
IMHO Ian is an op. He has quickly risen to the top in the Red Pill community, rehashing theories and garnering street cred, going on large platforms to distill these rehashed theories but in a specific framework, among other things framing red pill topics within specific boundaries highly compatible with the current Accelerationist Technocracy takeover that shoehorned its way into the Trump camp.
We'll see how this unfolds in coming months and years. I for one am opting out of any MAGA certified tech restructuring of society.
Rogan is an op as well, until proven otherwise. His format has all the characteristics of a modern Asch experiment.
Whitney's Response: https://x.com/_whitneywebb/status/1897781002799661500
Emphasis Mine
I really appreciate the shout-outs and Ian’s kind words about my book, but there are some things I don’t think were portrayed necessarily accurately about my work, both regarding Epstein and otherwise, and I think I should take the time to clarify those things. I’m not looking to cast shade on anyone with this clarification, just that I think I am the most qualified person to represent my own work and when other people do it, not on my behalf but their own, it can sometimes lead to misconceptions.
My interest is ultimately in my work being accurately conveyed, particularly to large audiences. Obviously the best way to understand my book is to read it, but many who watch the Rogan podcast, for example, won’t. I would happily make these clarifications on Rogan’s platform or another platform of similar size if I ever got invited.
One thing I’d like to clarify is that my books do not make the claim that “Epstein was Mossad,” the book instead argues that Epstein was an important part of a network – though arguably middle management – for a group composed of transgenerational organized crime interests (most of whom are the remnant of the Jewish mob component of the National Crime Syndicate and who promote ethno-fascist policies including via their ethnically focused philanthropy, among other activities) and major factions within both American and Israeli intelligence. They are not synonymous with either intelligence agency but arguably dominate the leadership of those intelligence agencies.
Evidence for Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence links him with Israeli military intelligence as opposed to Mossad, which are different parts of the Israeli intelligence apparatus (For example, it would be like confusing the DIA with the CIA). However, as noted above, Epstein was ultimately working for a network that greatly influences and exerts significant control over both the US and Israel (among other places) and that network is more loyal to itself than any one nation and also involves multiple intelligence agencies. While many people do casually use Mossad as a catch-all term for Israeli intelligence, I don’t agree with that and not making the accurate distinction creates an opening for dishonest actors to discredit the work that I and others have done on this topic when not framed properly.
Another thing I’d like to clarify is the implication that my historical reporting on the Epstein case is commendable, while my more current reporting on technocracy is significantly less so. My book on Epstein concludes with an entire chapter discussing how Epstein became irrelevant and thus expendable because the union of Big Tech with the intelligence apparatus, particularly those intelligence agencies most corrupted by the “Epstein network”, with a major focus on the national security contractor Palantir and its co-founder Peter Thiel.
While Ian is an admitted fan of my book, the reporting on technocracy that he describes as more of a turn-off for most than my Epstein book is actually in the book on Epstein itself and is arguably the main conclusion as it related to the present, from the book. There, I note that Palantir is the privatization and recreation of a nefarious neocon project developed by top figures from the Iran-Contra scandal and how tools like it, and its Unit 8200-developed equivalents from Israel, have amassed so much information on us and can also plant false or incriminating evidence on one’s devices without their knowledge, have made the type of sex blackmail ops once practiced by Epstein and other figures mentioned in the book no longer needed or relevant.
I am not sure if Ian has discussed Thiel or Palantir very much (I don’t believe he has but may be wrong on that), but a lot of my concerns about technocracy and the current administration are intimately related to both and those concerns are very well documented in One Nation Under Blackmail (which was published even before the official confirmation of Thiel-Epstein meetings). Of course, Peter Thiel’s errand boy now being Vice President of the US and the many Thiel or Palantir-adjacent figures in this administration make this not politically expedient to point out, particularly if the views you publicly propagate involve claiming that the current administration is a major departure from the Epstein network, which I argue – in my book as well as today – that it is likely not.
In that same vein, I think it is important to push back as nicely as possible on Ian’s suggestion that the Erik Prince “unplugged” phone seems to be a good investment for those concerned about illegal surveillance. While Ian has since described that as an “off-handed” comment and that he hasn't researched the phone, I think both he and everyone should know the following.
Prince has a close relationship with and hired the Unit 8200 alumnus and co-founder of the Epstein and Thiel-funded (and Ehud Barak-chaired) Carbyne911, which seeks to harvest as much data off of your phone as possible when you call 911 and feed the same pre-crime paradigm with that data that Palantir is also seeking to develop (Carbyne is discussed in my book as well). With this woman (her name is Lital Leshem), Prince has developed a very suspect company to funnel technology and products developed by foreign military/intelligence (in this case, Israel) to the US military, creating a loophole for acquisition of what would normally be forbidden products for the US military. In addition, the “unplugged” phone itself was also developed by Unit 8200 almuni. This is significant as Israel has an admitted policy of using companies created by “former” Unit 8200 operatives as fronts for activities Unit 8200 and Mossad once conducted “in house”. For anyone concerned about sex blackmail, Israeli intelligence espionage and/or pre-crime, stay as far away from this phone as possible. Sources for some of the points made above are contained in reporting that I published after my book came out, so I will post those links below.
To conclude, I am more than happy to and very capable of representing my own work to any audience, and when other people try to represent my work instead of me, even if well-intentioned, it can lead to misconceptions about me, my work and my conclusions and I think it is well within reason for me to do my best to ensure that my work is portrayed as accurately as possible.
Thanks for posting this. Your highlights are scary, meaning that there is a really unsettling possibility that the DS has infiltrated Trump. Can you image if pedo porn were planted on Trump's devices?
Oracle, Larry Ellison. Elon Musk, his coders. I’m not worried.
Is Ellison a white hat?
I’m not sure about that. What I do know is that Kellogg and others have spent time working at Oracle and I believe Kellogg to be part of Q. He’s been with Trump since New Hampshire. Trump said recently, can’t remember when/where, that Kellogg had asked him to run, specifically Kellogg.
Yes I do think Kellogg is on Q! OK so then Ellison is at least WH controlled, then
I would think so. At least one other person on Trump’s team has worked at Oracle and I forget who.
He does like the mrna.
Trump would probably beat it. An anon researcher who gets too close to the truth? Much less likely to... We need digital forensics at the highest level to be mandatory in digital crimes cases, not just "officer found it on your phone"
Kinda looks like Webb took the black pill, but it’s always good to question everything.
That may be black pill types of assertions, but doesn’t mean they’re necessarily wrong or not things we should watch out for.
Imo watching as many narrative branches as possible, all at once, is the way to go.
“It could be thing A, it could be thing B, if it’s thing A, and C happens, it could go here or here, or if it’s thing B And event D happens, these things come into play.”
Seems like the best way to see something coming.
Worth reminding that the Palantir was the thing that corrupted Saruman in LOTR, if anyone is somehow not familiar with it.
I agree that we should watch out for things, not doing so is how we got to this point.
Skepticism is good until proven otherwise.
I don't like her tone. But I appreciate her work. If she'd remove her black pill suppository and eat a little humble pie, things would be better.
This dude is too well read on certain subjects like pizzagate whilst referencing specifics to not be following Q like a hawk. So either these two (him and Joe) were told it's 'not time yet' to admit Q is real or something more nefarious.
Q is just an instant turn off for most. And quite frankly people don’t need to follow Q to be awake
Very true. Our mission is to spread the truth.
Not Q.
Exactly, the distancing Joe and Ian did makes sense to me from an OPSEC standpoint
I agree, someone this “curious” about pizzagate and then doesn’t find Q at all worth investigating into, something more nefarious.
That or maintaining OPSEC
Dang, Whitney makes investigative journalism a thing again. 👏🏼
She is very, very good. But can be a bit doomy sometimes.
Gary Webb was great at it until he uncovered something that caused his death
Suicide wasn’t it? He shot himself in the back of the head twice if I remember correctly.
Yes
Twice in the back of the head
I mean, that's an obvious suicide right there
Even more believable than the guy who attempted to turn witness on LBJ, before suddenly getting so sad he shot himself 7 times in the gut with a pump action .22.
Sometimes u/sadness takes dedication.
First shot wasn’t successful, so he had another go.
One thing that seems to be missed by virtually everyone in regard to the Epstein case ("case" referring to people who participated in the crimes Epstein was involved in) is that the evidence can't be released because criminal prosecution would be seriously jeopardized!
Exactly this.
This conversation is growing into a giant Red pill.
Could someone who understands all this (i don't), explain this
"...course, Peter Thiel’s errand boy now being Vice President of the US and the many Thiel or Palantir-adjacent figures in this administration make this not politically expedient to point out, particularly if the views you publicly propagate involve claiming that the current administration is a major departure from the Epstein network, which I argue – in my book as well as today – that it is likely not"
"Thiel hired Vance at his global investment firm in 2017, and then nurtured Vance's political rise, donating $15 million to his 2022 Ohio Senate campaign and helping him win a closely fought GOP primary before going on to capture the seat in the general election."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jd-vance-trump-vp-peter-thiel-billionaire/
Thanks. In all the hub bub, I ran across this, but it didn't register. Appreciate the reminder.
While I would like to say that Webb is nonpartisan, terms used such as “errand boy” or “tools” doesn’t really suggest that she is nonpartisan. I would be interested in how she came to the conclusion that Vance is an errand boy. I would also suggest that for her to say that Trump is not a major departure from the Epstein network, I guess she hasn’t noticed his stance on human trafficking and protecting children.
Sundance has also talked about Palantir and Vance's connection with Theil
Is Vance dirty?
Game theory, check out what Lt Col Bossi says about some of the things the military did to gain confidence in the enemy. Not saying that is what happened, just saying anything is possible in war
https://greatawakening.win/p/199hXEutKz/ricardo-bossi-explains-the-q-pla/c/
Edit: link
Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.
I don't know either way but I read his book (ostensibly the REASON he's famous) and it very clearly reads like something that is ghostwritten - it's done in that VERY hard to achieve "no style" style. So it's odd to me he got famous off a ghostwritten book - normally people who are ALREADY famous use ghostwriters. Also odd he got a film deal off the book - which I thought was a bit of a let down content wise after all the hype around it.
Is it a possibility that the book and movie were a way to give Vance’s background a way for people to relate to him prior to running for office - Q?
I think that's 100% the case - the question is who is funding and promoting the Vance narrative?
I don't think so BUT he apparently has some dodgy connections with Theil and Palantir. I don't think Sundance trusts him, nor Musk, but I don't think Vance is anywhere near Pence level. At least I hope not, as I quite like him.
There's another agenda going on with this tech stuff apparently. Sundance is a bit of a doomsayer lately but he's been right on many things and maybe he'll be right about the nefarious objectives of Palantir and how they infiltrating the admin.
I hate this movie! :(
I’m a little tired of it myself, but I do want to see the ending.
Everyone that rises to some level of power will be influenced by those that made it possible / happen. The bigger question is how does that influence align with our own agenda in life? Remembering also that a wolf can wear sheep's clothing
Thanks.
Great podcast on JRE if you haven’t seen it already. Ian was definitely red-pilled a few years ago, and he has been digging and presenting information that would most-definitely wake up many still trapped in the matrix.
Kudos to Ian, Whitney, and Joe for bringing good information to the masses.
"and its Unit 8200-developed equivalents from Israel, have amassed so much information on us and can also plant false or incriminating evidence on one’s devices without their knowledge, have made the type of sex blackmail ops once practiced by Epstein and other figures mentioned in the book no longer needed or relevant."
This is why we have the big push on deep fakes and showing the world what AI can do. So blackmail becomes useless. Everything will be fake and gay.
Didn't they plant child porn on Alex Jones' servers?
I didnt know this, but a quick search about Thiel on wiki says his or her spouse is Matt Danzeisen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel
BornPeter Andreas Thiel 11 October 1967 (age 57) Frankfurt, West Germany Citizenship United States New Zealand EducationStanford University (BA, JD) Occupations Businessmanentrepreneurventure capitalist Title President of Clarium Capital Chairman of Palantir Partner in Founders Fund Chairman of Valar Ventures Chair of Mithril Capital Political partyRepublican SpouseMatt Danzeisen (m. 2017)
it is a him. He is married to his husband. Two men.
She's a very brave person, and with what she uncovers I'm surprised she's still alive.
There are the academic researchers, cold and black pilled, whom no one can truly trust or understand. Then there are the regular dudes like Ian who consume and process the material from the academic researchers into a format that the rest of us can glean from. Hat tip to Ian, who is someone I trust far more than Whitney. He has the good vibe.
https://x.com/iancarrollshow/status/1895613613337165865?
I thought this was good
Per Ian saying Whitney is smarter than him. That's a nice gesture on his part as far as reaching out and working together.
Intelligence is not about the answers you give but the questions you ask. We all need to see what other says and learn. Obviously there are people who are dumb and have zero good to say or anything of particular interest. I don't think that is the case here on this board Greatawakening.
Sure I've seen some dumb comments, but 99% of the time most folks here have something valuable to add. As you all know I'm a liberal. But wanna know something I've gotten more respect here than at a place like DailyKos. I left them over 15+ years ago due to them being off the chain far far left. Democratic Underground the same.
So we need to listen, take notes, and reach out. Our country is in trouble and working together to find the truth and expose the lies and treachery is paramount.
Was over at Kos through the Iraq invasion build-up and first couple of years. Never really had any nice conversations over there, and one that was turning nasty when I dropped off.
WORD!
IMHO Ian is an op. He has quickly risen to the top in the Red Pill community, rehashing theories and garnering street cred, going on large platforms to distill these rehashed theories but in a specific framework, among other things framing red pill topics within specific boundaries highly compatible with the current Accelerationist Technocracy takeover that shoehorned its way into the Trump camp.
We'll see how this unfolds in coming months and years. I for one am opting out of any MAGA certified tech restructuring of society.
Rogan is an op as well, until proven otherwise. His format has all the characteristics of a modern Asch experiment.
Whitney is super informed, but she is a bit of a Doomer.