In 2022, U.S. prices across all drugs (brands and generics) were nearly 2.78 times as high as prices in the comparison countries. U.S. prices for brand drugs were at least 3.22 times as high as prices in the comparison countries, even after adjustments for estimated U.S. rebates.
The average gross manufacturer price for a standard unit of insulin in 2018 was more than ten times the price in a sample of 32 foreign countries:$98.70 in the U.S., compared with $8.81 in the 32 non-U.S. OECD countries for which we have prescription drug data.
U.S. prices were 229 percent of prices in Canada. Across all 33 comparison countries, U.S. prices ranged from 172 percent of prices in Mexico to 1,028 percent of prices in Turkey.
The way to defeat the rip-off of America... is for the HHS to set the price for any US brand name drugs as being no more than 150% of the average price of the same drug among 12 representative foreign countries (including Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Turkey, Brazil, etc...).
If a drug exceeds 150% (to U.S. citizens) of it's average price elsewhere in the world... then that is price gouging. Product to be pulled from the market while price gouging is investigated.
So your Pharma bonus is in jeopardy and you are now hoping for 50% overcharge. No deal, I counter with US citizens pay 50% less than the lowest country cost since our prescription addicted country makes up 75% of revenue for the legalized drug cartels
But to me, lowering the cost doesn’t fix the problem. Imagine for a second, hypothetically…let’s say tires for vehicles are so bad, the average person who travels 10-12k miles a year, has to buy four sets of tires a year. With the current cost of most major brands of tires, it’s very expensive. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but all we did today was lower the cost of the tires. Wouldn’t the problem be, we all having to purchase four sets a year!? Why not just one, or, how about they last longer and we don’t even have to buy them very often at all?
The problem is doctors prescribe drugs like it’s second nature. We don’t need so many people on drugs, period. How does lowering the cost gonna fix the amount people are on? That’s the real problem. Am I wrong here?
I think part of it is removing / reducing the funding of the deep state cartel. If there's lower profit margins for big pharma it lessens the tight grip they have on medical decisions, as well as on the legacy media with all the ads they run.
I sat here dumbfounded as well ! Wtf I thought america was supposed to get healthy and get off drugs, not make it less expensive to buy so they can most likely buy more, as that’s what will happen , just sell them more drugs to make up for the lost revenue. I do understand for people who need certain medication, this is good! But generally speaking , this was a blow out as in “tire” !
I think you are right, but there is another side to it, not all drugs produced are bad.
There are some conditions that I don't think will be cured overnight.
Diabetics still need insulin for example, that won't disappear overnight, you'll probably need a generation before US is healthy enough to drop most of this crap.
But for now kicking in the teeth of the deepstate pharmaceuticals companies is the first step to decoupling the US government from the harmful crap money flooding US political landscape.
Next step afterwards is hopefully arrests being made.
Totally agree ! I’m being hard on RFK as it appears he is being quieted a bit . His stance on vaxx has moved from vaxx definitly causing autism to food and air is causing it ,, it all plays a part in the poisioning of our kids but the jab is doing the most harm . I have loved and supported RFK for years have spent several hours over the years speaking to him at different speaking engagements . He came to San Diego and spoke to about 50 of us during the lock downs . He was so kind with him time . Hooking up with Trumpwas wonderful I’m just hoping he isn’t being silenced .
I'm thinking that there are multiple factors that lead to the decline in health world wide, the sheer amount of chemicals in the air and food, sugar in everything we eat. Fluoride in all the water.
The massive amounts of crap they put in vaccines and the volume of vaccination is off the charts.
I see that it's not just vaccines that are causing health problems, I think it looks like RFK will go with a holistic approach to improving the overall health of the people, year on year.
I can't be stuffed with the amount of whining people do around here, just because Trump's team isn't working fast enough for them.
What people forget is that we've been at the frontlines for longer then most people, most people don't even know what we know around here.
Every week we're getting wins, and I expect an exponential increase of momentum with the maga movement and goals.
I'm not even American, so I have an outsider perspective of the changes happening in America.
I could be wrong of course, it's just what I've seen from outside of America looking in, some people here are too close to the issues at hand they miss the Forest for the tree's.
From a far enough distance + time, America has gone through a radical transformation, the maga movement has gone from the fringes to the political majority of the US.
We are winning guys! Have hope!
And of course by all means put pressure on all politicians to do the right thing, even RFK and Trump, just know that we've come a far way, and maga has a ton of support around the world.
People pray globally for the maga movement to succeed, because we're well aware of the chains that bind us and you as well.
Yes we will win ! I have a 33 year old daughter , I watched autism happen . I wasnt awake to the jabs 30 years ago . Actually I was , kind of , but I got pressured from Drs . She’s 33 in diapers ! I saved My 32 yr old daughter from that poison . I had to sign medical wavers all through school . You can’t do that anymore ! Not in Cali !
Yeah my mother refused to Vax us too and half of us did home schooling.
The deepstate has made it increasingly difficult to homeschool your kids as well.
They want to force everyone through the brainwashing school system.
A ketogenic diet CURES type 2 diabetes and an entire list of associations crap.
They discovered that it is easier and more $ to just cover the issue with ever increasing amounts of insulin.
Before this crap started the fix was a ketogenic diet. Patients do not understand that their health gets worse and worse the more insulin is piled on the issue.
I watch a lot of interviews with people doing a keto/carnivore diet and OMG in 6 weeks they CHANGED their entire lives and get off ALL medications.
Excellent point. I think many people are missing the forest for the trees.
The issue isn't just that Americans pay more for the same prescriptions than other countries do.
Notice the language they use. They choose their words for a reason.
We're just a very large country that is pill happy.
Add to that the fact that the Boomers, the largest generation by far are all pretty elderly now and just on a metric fuckton of meds. The last time I checked, Boomers were taking something like 20 prescriptions a year, on average.
Add to that all the anti-depression, opioids, weight loss, and sleeping pills, and there you go. That's the reason the US makes up such a large percentage of the profits.
(I would also suggest, this being an elite research board and all that it would be a good idea to just look into this and see if this title actually matches what is going on. There are way too many misleading headlines being plastered everywhere to ever trust without verifying. But that's just my concept of what an elite research board would do. 🤷♀️)
You raise a very important issue. Currently I know only one person over 65 who is not taking prescription medication on a continuing basis. Fifty years ago, I did not know anyone over 65 who was taking prescription medication at all. I am in my 80's now and was in my 30's then. Things have certainly changed and not all for the better.
I hope this is only the first move in changing the profit incentive from keeping people sick to keeping them healthy. Normally we give rewards for results we want and withhold rewards for results we don't want. In the medical field, the incentive is the opposite. There is more money to be made by keeping a patient sick than in curing them. We need to look at our third party payment systems (medical insurance) as well as how medical care is delivered.
I have no idea how things will work out in the long run, but I do know there are greater obstacles than the cost of drugs. Just as an example, think what would happen if a cure for cancer was announced. How many billion dollar institutions would be out of business including hospitals, medical schools, equipment suppliers, etc. They will fight to survive.
Americans will have to gather their smartest and loyalists Brains and figure out how much has been stolen from their Collective Nation and assess a financial damages and collect it from the guilty. With assets and a percentage of future earnings.
Not sure it's the price as much as it is a culture of people who just pop a pill for every single thing in life.
Also, I'm going to stick my neck out here and point out that liberals have complained about pharmaceutical pricing for decades, and conservatives have usually been on the side of saying that trying to cap pharmaceutical profits is anti-capatalist, thus Anti-American.
If people are going to do a 180 on this, I suggest they prepare for getting flack from two fronts.
The libs who are going to say we're hypocrites for switching sides on this. This was a huge part of the ACA hoopla during Trump's 2016 campaign.
The conservatives who still hold the anti-capatalist stance. These are the ones who tanked this EO the first time Trump signed it in his first term.
I just suggest that people brush up on the history of all this before they rush off to try to red pill normies on the matter and then look foolish because they didn't do their research on it. Which is what we should expect on an elite research board.
It never made sense to me that the libs get to 'own' lowering drug prices. Our healthcare market is not a market in any sense of the word, in as much as we individually participate in it.
I've never had a problem with the idea of letting the US bargain for me in the market. That's what other countries do - that's why they have lower drug costs. They negotiate on behalf of their citizens. If you want to sell your drug in Canada or Mexico, get prepared to make a deal. It's better than NO income from Canada or Mexico, or the UK, so you'll take it.
The problem becomes because we have an unrealistic idealized view of the US healthcare market that we don't allow our government do the same, so the pharma companies make up what they lost in their negotiations by washing it through the bureaucratic black-box nightmare that is "Health Insurance". We tie one hand behind our back and then get mad when we get slapped.
Not for nothing though... and you youngsters may have been born too late to really observe it, but it's important to note the following:
There was a yardstick for towns in America, whether they were good or not so good neighborhoods, by how many bars they had. It was a stigma, and I believe still is, if your town "had a bar on every corner" because it was a yardstick of good wholesome living, being a productive member of society vs being an unemployed bum, making stupid decisions and getting drunk instead if working or caring for your family.
So closing down corner bars and cleaning up the town was a real thing in the 80s.
Since about 1990, there was a push to build these chain "drug stores" like CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens etc and they QUICKLY replaced the bars on the corner. In many towns in the USA, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one these days... and old school apothecaries and pharmacies, where you knew them and they knew you, started to get replaced by these mega chain, rude impersonal box stores.
Seriously... one town over, there's a strip of NOTHING BUT these box stores (not including Wally mart, AND the local food store with a pharmacy to get in on the action) - there's CVS, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Eckard, and one other I can't remember - exactly - right next to one another.
AND there's not just the local hospital, but all these "medical campuses" and endless doctors offices - that are ALL part of a bigger hospital or "health system" because the days of the independent doctor is GONE - malpractice insurance, student loans, setting up shop as a new doctor is practically impossible now - EVERYBODY HAS to be part of a big medical machine now...Oh and good luck getting an appointment for many if these doctors anywhere - they're booked out solid for 6 months...
Just what in the hell have we done to ourselves???
When I was a kid, Mom took me to the pediatrician and she paid maybe $25 for the visit. Then the pharmacy...it was what, like $8 for amoxicillin and $4 for Actifed C/D whatever...(That old school Dimetapp...grapity grape!) - Now it's a complete shit show of insurance cards, prescription plans, oh this asshole isn't in your network...then rude "should be working the back room at the DMV" bitch at one if these box pharmacies - you gotta put up with their bullshit...
Just an ENDLESS STRING of people that REALLY DON'T give a shit about YOU or your health - they just want that money. Relative had to stay overnight on hospital... those assholes TEXTED them the bill before he was discharged! TEXTED IT!! Zero bedside manner! 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
It didn't used to be like that AT ALL, people...
This medical industrial complex is EXACTLY like the military industrial complex - keep muckerin us down with the sickness (war or dis-ease) and profit off us...
Learn to eat right and listen to your body so you can avoid this machine as much as possible...
Now don't get me started on obese nurses telling you to watch your cholesterol...🙄🙄🙄
Whooptee doo. What i want to know is when I will actually see the prices go DOWN!!!. This is a great PR promotion, yet the American people need relief TODAY, not in a few months. So has anyone gone down t ok their local pharmacy today and been surprised with the huge reduction of their bill?
When I had to go to the hospital in January of 2020, I was in the emergency room and I looked up and one of the doctors was looking through my purse. I said what are you doing and grabbed it from him. He said "looking for drugs" and seemed genuinely surprised when I told them I wasn't on any drugs. They actually expect anyone over 50 to be on several pharmaceuticals.
Glad he didn't find the little bag of mushrooms I had stashed in there, hehe.
And.......it's never mattered how many people they kill and injure.
And the sickest part of it, is they've convinced people to pay for it.
Pharmakiea is in the last book of the Bible. It translates to sorcery.
In 2022, U.S. prices across all drugs (brands and generics) were nearly 2.78 times as high as prices in the comparison countries. U.S. prices for brand drugs were at least 3.22 times as high as prices in the comparison countries, even after adjustments for estimated U.S. rebates.
The average gross manufacturer price for a standard unit of insulin in 2018 was more than ten times the price in a sample of 32 foreign countries:$98.70 in the U.S., compared with $8.81 in the 32 non-U.S. OECD countries for which we have prescription drug data.
U.S. prices were 229 percent of prices in Canada. Across all 33 comparison countries, U.S. prices ranged from 172 percent of prices in Mexico to 1,028 percent of prices in Turkey.
International Price Comparisons Study
The way to defeat the rip-off of America... is for the HHS to set the price for any US brand name drugs as being no more than 150% of the average price of the same drug among 12 representative foreign countries (including Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Turkey, Brazil, etc...).
If a drug exceeds 150% (to U.S. citizens) of it's average price elsewhere in the world... then that is price gouging. Product to be pulled from the market while price gouging is investigated.
I dont even want to pay that much more. If it's 10% higher than the average of all countries than burn the company to the ground
So your Pharma bonus is in jeopardy and you are now hoping for 50% overcharge. No deal, I counter with US citizens pay 50% less than the lowest country cost since our prescription addicted country makes up 75% of revenue for the legalized drug cartels
But to me, lowering the cost doesn’t fix the problem. Imagine for a second, hypothetically…let’s say tires for vehicles are so bad, the average person who travels 10-12k miles a year, has to buy four sets of tires a year. With the current cost of most major brands of tires, it’s very expensive. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but all we did today was lower the cost of the tires. Wouldn’t the problem be, we all having to purchase four sets a year!? Why not just one, or, how about they last longer and we don’t even have to buy them very often at all?
The problem is doctors prescribe drugs like it’s second nature. We don’t need so many people on drugs, period. How does lowering the cost gonna fix the amount people are on? That’s the real problem. Am I wrong here?
I think part of it is removing / reducing the funding of the deep state cartel. If there's lower profit margins for big pharma it lessens the tight grip they have on medical decisions, as well as on the legacy media with all the ads they run.
I sat here dumbfounded as well ! Wtf I thought america was supposed to get healthy and get off drugs, not make it less expensive to buy so they can most likely buy more, as that’s what will happen , just sell them more drugs to make up for the lost revenue. I do understand for people who need certain medication, this is good! But generally speaking , this was a blow out as in “tire” !
I think you are right, but there is another side to it, not all drugs produced are bad. There are some conditions that I don't think will be cured overnight.
Diabetics still need insulin for example, that won't disappear overnight, you'll probably need a generation before US is healthy enough to drop most of this crap. But for now kicking in the teeth of the deepstate pharmaceuticals companies is the first step to decoupling the US government from the harmful crap money flooding US political landscape. Next step afterwards is hopefully arrests being made.
Totally agree ! I’m being hard on RFK as it appears he is being quieted a bit . His stance on vaxx has moved from vaxx definitly causing autism to food and air is causing it ,, it all plays a part in the poisioning of our kids but the jab is doing the most harm . I have loved and supported RFK for years have spent several hours over the years speaking to him at different speaking engagements . He came to San Diego and spoke to about 50 of us during the lock downs . He was so kind with him time . Hooking up with Trumpwas wonderful I’m just hoping he isn’t being silenced .
I'm thinking that there are multiple factors that lead to the decline in health world wide, the sheer amount of chemicals in the air and food, sugar in everything we eat. Fluoride in all the water.
The massive amounts of crap they put in vaccines and the volume of vaccination is off the charts.
I see that it's not just vaccines that are causing health problems, I think it looks like RFK will go with a holistic approach to improving the overall health of the people, year on year.
I can't be stuffed with the amount of whining people do around here, just because Trump's team isn't working fast enough for them.
What people forget is that we've been at the frontlines for longer then most people, most people don't even know what we know around here.
Every week we're getting wins, and I expect an exponential increase of momentum with the maga movement and goals.
I'm not even American, so I have an outsider perspective of the changes happening in America.
I could be wrong of course, it's just what I've seen from outside of America looking in, some people here are too close to the issues at hand they miss the Forest for the tree's.
From a far enough distance + time, America has gone through a radical transformation, the maga movement has gone from the fringes to the political majority of the US.
We are winning guys! Have hope!
And of course by all means put pressure on all politicians to do the right thing, even RFK and Trump, just know that we've come a far way, and maga has a ton of support around the world. People pray globally for the maga movement to succeed, because we're well aware of the chains that bind us and you as well.
Yes we will win ! I have a 33 year old daughter , I watched autism happen . I wasnt awake to the jabs 30 years ago . Actually I was , kind of , but I got pressured from Drs . She’s 33 in diapers ! I saved My 32 yr old daughter from that poison . I had to sign medical wavers all through school . You can’t do that anymore ! Not in Cali !
Yeah my mother refused to Vax us too and half of us did home schooling. The deepstate has made it increasingly difficult to homeschool your kids as well. They want to force everyone through the brainwashing school system.
Shit needs to change
Apparently keto helps with diabetes. It helps with a lot of ailments.
A ketogenic diet CURES type 2 diabetes and an entire list of associations crap. They discovered that it is easier and more $ to just cover the issue with ever increasing amounts of insulin.
Before this crap started the fix was a ketogenic diet. Patients do not understand that their health gets worse and worse the more insulin is piled on the issue.
I watch a lot of interviews with people doing a keto/carnivore diet and OMG in 6 weeks they CHANGED their entire lives and get off ALL medications.
Isn't it odd that when Keto and Carnivore started taking off, the price of red meat skyrockets? It's all connected.
They never will because doctors are either too stupid or complicit in genocide.
Yep I feel the whole conversation will be different by this time next year, we won't even care about big pharma, because Trump just kneecapped them.
Excellent point. I think many people are missing the forest for the trees.
The issue isn't just that Americans pay more for the same prescriptions than other countries do.
Notice the language they use. They choose their words for a reason.
We're just a very large country that is pill happy.
Add to that the fact that the Boomers, the largest generation by far are all pretty elderly now and just on a metric fuckton of meds. The last time I checked, Boomers were taking something like 20 prescriptions a year, on average.
Add to that all the anti-depression, opioids, weight loss, and sleeping pills, and there you go. That's the reason the US makes up such a large percentage of the profits.
(I would also suggest, this being an elite research board and all that it would be a good idea to just look into this and see if this title actually matches what is going on. There are way too many misleading headlines being plastered everywhere to ever trust without verifying. But that's just my concept of what an elite research board would do. 🤷♀️)
You raise a very important issue. Currently I know only one person over 65 who is not taking prescription medication on a continuing basis. Fifty years ago, I did not know anyone over 65 who was taking prescription medication at all. I am in my 80's now and was in my 30's then. Things have certainly changed and not all for the better.
I hope this is only the first move in changing the profit incentive from keeping people sick to keeping them healthy. Normally we give rewards for results we want and withhold rewards for results we don't want. In the medical field, the incentive is the opposite. There is more money to be made by keeping a patient sick than in curing them. We need to look at our third party payment systems (medical insurance) as well as how medical care is delivered.
I have no idea how things will work out in the long run, but I do know there are greater obstacles than the cost of drugs. Just as an example, think what would happen if a cure for cancer was announced. How many billion dollar institutions would be out of business including hospitals, medical schools, equipment suppliers, etc. They will fight to survive.
Americans will have to gather their smartest and loyalists Brains and figure out how much has been stolen from their Collective Nation and assess a financial damages and collect it from the guilty. With assets and a percentage of future earnings.
Not sure it's the price as much as it is a culture of people who just pop a pill for every single thing in life.
Also, I'm going to stick my neck out here and point out that liberals have complained about pharmaceutical pricing for decades, and conservatives have usually been on the side of saying that trying to cap pharmaceutical profits is anti-capatalist, thus Anti-American.
If people are going to do a 180 on this, I suggest they prepare for getting flack from two fronts.
The libs who are going to say we're hypocrites for switching sides on this. This was a huge part of the ACA hoopla during Trump's 2016 campaign.
The conservatives who still hold the anti-capatalist stance. These are the ones who tanked this EO the first time Trump signed it in his first term.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-announces-prescription-drug-payment-model-put-american-patients-first
I just suggest that people brush up on the history of all this before they rush off to try to red pill normies on the matter and then look foolish because they didn't do their research on it. Which is what we should expect on an elite research board.
It never made sense to me that the libs get to 'own' lowering drug prices. Our healthcare market is not a market in any sense of the word, in as much as we individually participate in it.
I've never had a problem with the idea of letting the US bargain for me in the market. That's what other countries do - that's why they have lower drug costs. They negotiate on behalf of their citizens. If you want to sell your drug in Canada or Mexico, get prepared to make a deal. It's better than NO income from Canada or Mexico, or the UK, so you'll take it.
The problem becomes because we have an unrealistic idealized view of the US healthcare market that we don't allow our government do the same, so the pharma companies make up what they lost in their negotiations by washing it through the bureaucratic black-box nightmare that is "Health Insurance". We tie one hand behind our back and then get mad when we get slapped.
Wow, stunning numbers.
Maybe we will get less medication commercials.
Yeah...go ruin Europe for a while...
It's already half way there
Not for nothing though... and you youngsters may have been born too late to really observe it, but it's important to note the following:
There was a yardstick for towns in America, whether they were good or not so good neighborhoods, by how many bars they had. It was a stigma, and I believe still is, if your town "had a bar on every corner" because it was a yardstick of good wholesome living, being a productive member of society vs being an unemployed bum, making stupid decisions and getting drunk instead if working or caring for your family.
So closing down corner bars and cleaning up the town was a real thing in the 80s.
Since about 1990, there was a push to build these chain "drug stores" like CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens etc and they QUICKLY replaced the bars on the corner. In many towns in the USA, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one these days... and old school apothecaries and pharmacies, where you knew them and they knew you, started to get replaced by these mega chain, rude impersonal box stores.
Seriously... one town over, there's a strip of NOTHING BUT these box stores (not including Wally mart, AND the local food store with a pharmacy to get in on the action) - there's CVS, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Eckard, and one other I can't remember - exactly - right next to one another.
AND there's not just the local hospital, but all these "medical campuses" and endless doctors offices - that are ALL part of a bigger hospital or "health system" because the days of the independent doctor is GONE - malpractice insurance, student loans, setting up shop as a new doctor is practically impossible now - EVERYBODY HAS to be part of a big medical machine now...Oh and good luck getting an appointment for many if these doctors anywhere - they're booked out solid for 6 months...
Just what in the hell have we done to ourselves???
When I was a kid, Mom took me to the pediatrician and she paid maybe $25 for the visit. Then the pharmacy...it was what, like $8 for amoxicillin and $4 for Actifed C/D whatever...(That old school Dimetapp...grapity grape!) - Now it's a complete shit show of insurance cards, prescription plans, oh this asshole isn't in your network...then rude "should be working the back room at the DMV" bitch at one if these box pharmacies - you gotta put up with their bullshit...
Just an ENDLESS STRING of people that REALLY DON'T give a shit about YOU or your health - they just want that money. Relative had to stay overnight on hospital... those assholes TEXTED them the bill before he was discharged! TEXTED IT!! Zero bedside manner! 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
It didn't used to be like that AT ALL, people...
This medical industrial complex is EXACTLY like the military industrial complex - keep muckerin us down with the sickness (war or dis-ease) and profit off us...
Learn to eat right and listen to your body so you can avoid this machine as much as possible...
Now don't get me started on obese nurses telling you to watch your cholesterol...🙄🙄🙄
Whooptee doo. What i want to know is when I will actually see the prices go DOWN!!!. This is a great PR promotion, yet the American people need relief TODAY, not in a few months. So has anyone gone down t ok their local pharmacy today and been surprised with the huge reduction of their bill?
The American people have been subsidizing the whole world. What Trump is doing to stop the gouging of Americans is the exact right move.
People in the greatest nation on earth should not be suffering because they cannot afford the medications they need.
This doesn't surprise me at all.
When I had to go to the hospital in January of 2020, I was in the emergency room and I looked up and one of the doctors was looking through my purse. I said what are you doing and grabbed it from him. He said "looking for drugs" and seemed genuinely surprised when I told them I wasn't on any drugs. They actually expect anyone over 50 to be on several pharmaceuticals.
Glad he didn't find the little bag of mushrooms I had stashed in there, hehe.