At least we have a better option for when we take the family out to fast food on special occasions. It's nice to have a burger and milkshake a couple times a year.
I haven't drunk anything with sugar (or sweetener) for decades. Nor do I consume junk "food". Maybe that's why I've reached 74 without having diabetes, dementia, arthritis, cancer ... etc. Unlike many of my contemporaries.
Father turned 92 last week. He drank a shot a day when he came home from work and multiple beers a night. Never watched what he ate, Pepsi or coke for lunch and fast food multiple times a week and didn’t retire until he was 76. He still drinks beer every single day. He has no diabetes, cancer, arthritis; a few joint replacements and some eye surgery are the extent of his problems to which he now walks around his neighborhood a mile every day. He’s outlived his own father by 12 years and his actively healthy lifestyle sister by 10 years.
Sometimes it’s not about the shit we consume and just good luck or god is looking out for you.
Yeah because it's our #1 agricultural crop, and we produce about 40% of it worldwide. High fructose corn syrup is an American invention to reduce import demand for sugar, which is largely not made here due to our climate.
My point is more that there's two sides to this. If we really wanted to change what we use, we have to consider that we're moving away from an American product that creates demand for our farmers.
I'd like this more if it came with a new trade deal or a government subsidy of the few places here we can grow it in higher production, Florida, South Texas and Louisiana.
High fructose corn syrup was a by-product that they used to feed to livestock -- until someone decided they could make a buck and stick it in our food.
Yes, as a substitute for sugar coming from other countries. We grow a lot of corn because it's native and super easy to grow in our climate. Americans have used corn syrup in our diets for a much longer time than high fructose corn syrup. Corn syrup is insulated from scarcity and price changes that are largely outside of our nations control...not to mention sugar traditionally grows in equatorial regions that have had much more political upheaval.
You ever had pecan pie? The main ingredient isn't pecans
High-fructose corn syrup contains sulfites. I have a food intolerance to sulfites and HFCS's wide-spread use has severely limited what I can eat. It's in practically everything nowadays.
Definitely agreed there. Not pushing the stuff. I wish America could find something less harmful to do with all this corn were able to grow here. It's in pretty much everything. It's like being gifted a crop that we constantly have to figure out what to do with. Imagine if Italy had this many problems with olives lol
The local Steak and Shake I go to (currently) has a ton of workers that I'm pretty sure are illegals. Would be a shame if Tom Homan visited Dublin, Ohio....
Worked in fast food as a teen. Fires were never pre-cooked. Makes no sense, they take less than 2 minutes in hot oil. Of course, that was back in the mid seventies.
Ah, Steak and Shake! Haven't had one of their burgers since we moved from the Midwest. We'd take the kids there a couple times a month, we loved that place.
I thought most restaurants already did use soda pop with real sugar, which is why restaurant soda pop tends to taste better than the ones out of a can or plastic bottle.
Granted, I haven't worked fast food in over 15 years, so I don't remember what the syrup boxes said.
I don’t think this is the case. You get direct carbonation injection, so the flavors “pop” in your mouth. Same sweeteners are used as in normal canned or bottled versions.
As a fitness freak, I see sugar in any form as a dietary evil. I've managed to cut out about 90% of the sugar in my diet and I feel better because of it. The "new" Coke won't be for me, no matter what form its sugar is in.
I drink Green Cola, sweetened with Stevia Extract. Far better health-wise. Obviously it would be best if they didn’t include caramel coloring, whatever that is and has 2g of carbs in total. Not terrible, not 💯
I tried stevia many years ago, it was sweet, very sweet but had a strange aftertaste which I didn’t like. But then I don’t like the taste of the other chemical sweeteners either. When it comes to Coke I like the original only, that’s what I grew accustomed to…
About twice a month I will have a sugar free diet Cokw with pizza or hamburger, but mostly i drink diet tonic water with a squeeze of lime with dinner. Quinine is good for you.
Not to be contrary but the reason they use high fructose corn syrup is to support corn farmers in the US. Switching to cane sugar means largely importing it from other countries since the climate to produce it is really only available in smaller parts of 3 states.
Edit - I appreciate the downvotes but they don't change the fact that corn is the #1 agricultural product in the US. That's why we use it in everything.
I agree, but we can't just diversify our climate. If we want more of something, we can't change demand downstream and hope it all works out. Farmers have trouble keeping up as is. We can subsidize the few areas that sugar cane can grow in the US, or we can make trade deals to import. Large indoor grow houses are also extremely expensive to maintain and the climate for sugar and coffee is famously fickle for large yields. If we want those things, a massive initial investment will be necessary. This is a natural space for the government.
Squash/root vegetables, corn and beans are the three things that North America naturally grows so well, are native to this land, and are mostly unique to us. Native Americans called them the three sisters. They also feed most of our livestock. Seems a shame that we can't find a way to make them a bigger part of a healthy diet. But that's just an aside.
Even for animals corn and soy is not particularly healthy. I’m not saying I have all the answers, but allegedly people could survive off of <1/4 acre of land if done right. Why is that not talked about more often? We don’t technically need mega farms except that we use oils made from corn for merchant marine ships and poisonous foods. It’s frustrating to see all these companies fold on seed oils so quickly, meaning they could have done this long ago without issue, but they intentionally poison us?! To what end?! I think we all sadly know what’s going on here. Grain fed beef does taste better than grass fed, so I’m not saying it is without its purpose. This is not meant to cast any shade on farmers either.
Not gonna lie...once, maybe twice a year, I get a hankering for a good old fashioned cola. I've always preferred Pepsi (but they're not seeing the light yet), so if I can indulge in a cane-sugar-based Coke once or twice a year, that would be AWESOME.
And yes, I know -- sugar = bad. I've cut nearly all sweets, and almost all sugar out of my diet over the past 15 years, and I'm mostly adhering to a carnivore diet these days, and doing VERY well with that, weight-wise and health metrics-wise.
But sometimes I want a damn cola like I had when I was a kid! But I don't want to get anywhere near high fructose corn syrup....
Looking back to my youth, carbs and sugar were not kind to me. I had no idea at the time, but that was causing my acne which helped destroy my self-esteem.
Not like I had it everyday but I never knew when it would rear its ugly head, especially when I had a scheduled date with a lady.
Into my 20's aside from work I was heavy into sports, many sports with many of my friends and even on weekends, having the time of my life, so I was less into sugar and the activity helped burn the carbs off.
Fast forward "a few years" and today I've settled on Lakanto MonkFruit Sweetener which is white and tastes like sugar. I'm not a Monk but this is genuinely free of calories and doesn't contribute to blood sugar.
The intentions of that restaurant are good but not for me. Hopefully they'll do well.
I guess it's a step in the right direction, but the H in MAHA doesn't include consuming half a cup of sugar with you deep fried meal.
It had to be said
One of the worst things for humans is sugar
Wanna know what's worse for humans than sugar?
high-fructose corn syrup
True
My point is this is a small to medium-sized win, because still deadly poison...sort of out of the frying pan into the fire
Diabetes is the 7th leading cause of death and many people get there by drinking sugar beverages regularly.
I switched to unsweetened natural flavored club soda years ago and it was the best move ever
A lot of healthy stuff is an acquired taste I'll grant you that!
Tallow fried
Amen fren.
Obligatory "Deep frying is healthy" poast...
u/#WaaahCat
At least we have a better option for when we take the family out to fast food on special occasions. It's nice to have a burger and milkshake a couple times a year.
A federal judge has ordered Coca Cola to put the high fructose corn syrup back in.
You sound like HDawg. “Can’t we just drone this motherfeffer???”
I still won't be drinking it. Too much sugar.... I would prefer everyone switch away from those bad seed oils pronto, though!
I haven't drunk anything with sugar (or sweetener) for decades. Nor do I consume junk "food". Maybe that's why I've reached 74 without having diabetes, dementia, arthritis, cancer ... etc. Unlike many of my contemporaries.
Father turned 92 last week. He drank a shot a day when he came home from work and multiple beers a night. Never watched what he ate, Pepsi or coke for lunch and fast food multiple times a week and didn’t retire until he was 76. He still drinks beer every single day. He has no diabetes, cancer, arthritis; a few joint replacements and some eye surgery are the extent of his problems to which he now walks around his neighborhood a mile every day. He’s outlived his own father by 12 years and his actively healthy lifestyle sister by 10 years.
Sometimes it’s not about the shit we consume and just good luck or god is looking out for you.
Genes.
Trust the soyience
Well done. Sugar leads to inflammation; and all those nasties love inflammation.
I saw something not too long ago that said it's not the seed oils themselves but rather how they're processed.
Not sure how true that is but makes me wonder about the processing of the sugar.
Sugar doesn’t go rancid. Bad oil can be deodorized before bottling.
Hunter isn't happy due to the fact that they didn't go back to their old recipe using coke....
There’s always hope
Newsflash: Coca Cola bottled in Mexico has been made with cane sugar for like forever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Coke
Well yeah they source it locally whereas in the US they have to import it
Right. But notice that everyone gets "cane sugar" while the US gets "high fructose corn syrup."
Yeah because it's our #1 agricultural crop, and we produce about 40% of it worldwide. High fructose corn syrup is an American invention to reduce import demand for sugar, which is largely not made here due to our climate.
My point is more that there's two sides to this. If we really wanted to change what we use, we have to consider that we're moving away from an American product that creates demand for our farmers.
I'd like this more if it came with a new trade deal or a government subsidy of the few places here we can grow it in higher production, Florida, South Texas and Louisiana.
High fructose corn syrup was a by-product that they used to feed to livestock -- until someone decided they could make a buck and stick it in our food.
Yes, as a substitute for sugar coming from other countries. We grow a lot of corn because it's native and super easy to grow in our climate. Americans have used corn syrup in our diets for a much longer time than high fructose corn syrup. Corn syrup is insulated from scarcity and price changes that are largely outside of our nations control...not to mention sugar traditionally grows in equatorial regions that have had much more political upheaval.
You ever had pecan pie? The main ingredient isn't pecans
High-fructose corn syrup contains sulfites. I have a food intolerance to sulfites and HFCS's wide-spread use has severely limited what I can eat. It's in practically everything nowadays.
Definitely agreed there. Not pushing the stuff. I wish America could find something less harmful to do with all this corn were able to grow here. It's in pretty much everything. It's like being gifted a crop that we constantly have to figure out what to do with. Imagine if Italy had this many problems with olives lol
and Hawaii
Fla grows sugar cane... Hawaii too
But pricey
I don't think they get the credit for changing, and the credit doesn't go to Coke either.
This is a direct result of RFK Jr and MAHA. The credit belongs to RFK Jr and Trump.
The local Steak and Shake I go to (currently) has a ton of workers that I'm pretty sure are illegals. Would be a shame if Tom Homan visited Dublin, Ohio....
I read somewhere else they were going to use beef tallow and get rid of seed oils. Good for them. MAHA on the rise.
There is a popular burger place here in Oceanside that uses beef tallow for fries. Everyone loves it
Tanners https://www.tannersprimeburgers.com/
As well they should...beef tallow is generally better for you.
That's good to know.
Worked in fast food as a teen. Fires were never pre-cooked. Makes no sense, they take less than 2 minutes in hot oil. Of course, that was back in the mid seventies.
Interesting. Never dealt with those.
Ohhh…tricky! I don’t eat fries as a rule; but that’s some “slim shady” with the marketing.
You are on a rip this AM with good articles. Good work. Thanks.
True. Fries used to be fried in tallow.
I understand that we are America First, but it might be nice to help Cuba reverse some of the Deep State damage that was done to their sugar industry.
Cuba, as a country, hates and opposes U.S.
So does Syria and Iran but that didn't stop us from trying to talk to them anyway. This one is even in our own hemisphere for a change.
"So does Syria and Iran but that didn't stop us from trying to talk to them..." So, its time to sic israel on Cuba?
Never mind. It'd only be a semantic difference if we bombed them ourselves.
Ah, Steak and Shake! Haven't had one of their burgers since we moved from the Midwest. We'd take the kids there a couple times a month, we loved that place.
None in the RGV area of Texas. I miss them.
I feel your pain. At least where I live now, we have Smashburger, but my fave is still Steak 'n Shake.
Already love me so steak and shake. now do tallow.
Steak and shake reintroduced beef tallow last year.
But will still charge $18 for a Wendy's style burger.
I thought most restaurants already did use soda pop with real sugar, which is why restaurant soda pop tends to taste better than the ones out of a can or plastic bottle.
Granted, I haven't worked fast food in over 15 years, so I don't remember what the syrup boxes said.
I don’t think this is the case. You get direct carbonation injection, so the flavors “pop” in your mouth. Same sweeteners are used as in normal canned or bottled versions.
Correct. They wouldn’t have a different syrup for restaurants.
As a fitness freak, I see sugar in any form as a dietary evil. I've managed to cut out about 90% of the sugar in my diet and I feel better because of it. The "new" Coke won't be for me, no matter what form its sugar is in.
I drink Green Cola, sweetened with Stevia Extract. Far better health-wise. Obviously it would be best if they didn’t include caramel coloring, whatever that is and has 2g of carbs in total. Not terrible, not 💯
Yes but far worse taste-wise.
Ive grown accustomed to it and now prefer it.
I tried stevia many years ago, it was sweet, very sweet but had a strange aftertaste which I didn’t like. But then I don’t like the taste of the other chemical sweeteners either. When it comes to Coke I like the original only, that’s what I grew accustomed to…
My solution is drinking coke only rarely
About twice a month I will have a sugar free diet Cokw with pizza or hamburger, but mostly i drink diet tonic water with a squeeze of lime with dinner. Quinine is good for you.
Not to be contrary but the reason they use high fructose corn syrup is to support corn farmers in the US. Switching to cane sugar means largely importing it from other countries since the climate to produce it is really only available in smaller parts of 3 states.
Edit - I appreciate the downvotes but they don't change the fact that corn is the #1 agricultural product in the US. That's why we use it in everything.
Time to diversify our farming
I agree, but we can't just diversify our climate. If we want more of something, we can't change demand downstream and hope it all works out. Farmers have trouble keeping up as is. We can subsidize the few areas that sugar cane can grow in the US, or we can make trade deals to import. Large indoor grow houses are also extremely expensive to maintain and the climate for sugar and coffee is famously fickle for large yields. If we want those things, a massive initial investment will be necessary. This is a natural space for the government.
Squash/root vegetables, corn and beans are the three things that North America naturally grows so well, are native to this land, and are mostly unique to us. Native Americans called them the three sisters. They also feed most of our livestock. Seems a shame that we can't find a way to make them a bigger part of a healthy diet. But that's just an aside.
Even for animals corn and soy is not particularly healthy. I’m not saying I have all the answers, but allegedly people could survive off of <1/4 acre of land if done right. Why is that not talked about more often? We don’t technically need mega farms except that we use oils made from corn for merchant marine ships and poisonous foods. It’s frustrating to see all these companies fold on seed oils so quickly, meaning they could have done this long ago without issue, but they intentionally poison us?! To what end?! I think we all sadly know what’s going on here. Grain fed beef does taste better than grass fed, so I’m not saying it is without its purpose. This is not meant to cast any shade on farmers either.
I get it, and well made point. I think rethinking our food supply is long overdue.
And the support of cane growers by keeping the price high
Now if we can get glass bottles back i might drink one from time to time.
Mexican Coke is made with real sugar and in glass bottles. If you have an international foods place or amigo market near you check if they carry them.
But cost out the ass
I only drink a Coke on occasion if my stomach is unsettled but at my previous job there was a little restaurant that sold em for like $3 or so.
No idea what they are in other stores but regular 20oz sodas are about that.
They already switched to beef tallow fries
Will the Steak 'n Shake be offering the Epstein List as their menus?
You mentioned epstein in GAW? Why, you !#&&%. You should be stood up and shot...then flogged and quartered.
I drink filtered water without sweeteners. Why would I want to contaminate it with anything?
If there was one in my state, I would love to try them.
Sugar is poison no matter the source.
Not gonna lie...once, maybe twice a year, I get a hankering for a good old fashioned cola. I've always preferred Pepsi (but they're not seeing the light yet), so if I can indulge in a cane-sugar-based Coke once or twice a year, that would be AWESOME.
And yes, I know -- sugar = bad. I've cut nearly all sweets, and almost all sugar out of my diet over the past 15 years, and I'm mostly adhering to a carnivore diet these days, and doing VERY well with that, weight-wise and health metrics-wise.
But sometimes I want a damn cola like I had when I was a kid! But I don't want to get anywhere near high fructose corn syrup....
Ok, but their food is terrible and overpriced.
Sugar is sugar no matter if it’s from sugar cane, sugar beet, maize, apples, oranges…
Too much sugar is too much sugar, regardless of it’s origin!
Nearly all carbs break down into sugars. There really is no escaping it. Added sugars are the killers along with high fructose corn syrup.
Yes, sugar is bad but to really fuck up things you go with high fructose. Corporations will do everything to earn an extra $.
Looking back to my youth, carbs and sugar were not kind to me. I had no idea at the time, but that was causing my acne which helped destroy my self-esteem.
Not like I had it everyday but I never knew when it would rear its ugly head, especially when I had a scheduled date with a lady.
Into my 20's aside from work I was heavy into sports, many sports with many of my friends and even on weekends, having the time of my life, so I was less into sugar and the activity helped burn the carbs off.
Fast forward "a few years" and today I've settled on Lakanto MonkFruit Sweetener which is white and tastes like sugar. I'm not a Monk but this is genuinely free of calories and doesn't contribute to blood sugar.
The intentions of that restaurant are good but not for me. Hopefully they'll do well.