I have a Delta AMEX card with 14,500 points I can't use because their ticket prices were far higher, F them, I bought tickets with a non-specific travel card...
I have always been of the mind that there should be ONE price. No 'plus tax(es)', no 'plus s/h', no 'fees', etc. It should all be rolled into the price. What the customer sees, what every customer sees, is exactly what the customer pays.
This nonsense might just be the straw that forces Congress to finally do something about predatory pricing.
Not to defend anyone else, but single price is the case in most of Europe (and as far as I know, the world.)
You pay the price shown on the shelf, it includes the tax. In much of Europe there is minimal to no tipping as well, so when it says €20 on the menu, that's what you pay.
(The UK is starting to pick up on the US system of adding a "service charge" and asking for gratuity, which is just more bullshit)
So it might seem redundant but it is moments like this where having a burner pc's and burner emails or a USB bootable PC is handy...Boot with a Linux OS with no persistence...so it is clean install that never saves anything...know whom your buying from go straight there buy it...to further guard yourself use a VPN so none of searches on others systems can be tied to your real IP...MAC spoofing and being able to alter is also possible but for most more trouble then it is worth. Practice Digital Camouflage.
All I can say is in the past the VPN and my personal PC habits have saved me money...buying tickets to the UK and Florida while purchasing via PC VPN from places like Mexico City and Lima Peru. So they could always do as you say, true...but I don't have to accept the offer and I love road trips and have no need to leave the country ever at this point in my life.
Yup, the market in which the ticket is (ostensibly) purchased matters. It's often subsidized for lower income markets and inflated for higher income/high demand markets.
The ITA Matrix search has purchase city as a field to allow this to be observed (matrix.itasoftware.com - searches using Sabre, the pricing platform used internally by travel agents, most booking sites, and airlines, with the exception of Southwest, which uses their own system)
Don't forget your proxy as well. Windscribe is awesome, MAGA-aligned, and runs everything off of RAM so they couldn't pull your history if they tried. Once they get your IP address they have a good shot at fingerprinting at least that specific install forever.
This has been occurring in the hospitality industry for a while. They use your personal/tracking data to set pricing. Go to one of the big websites for travel and you will see one rate. Check a little while later and the rate will go up.
When shopping for a hotel stay or airfare, always use private/incognito mode to minimize what data they can pull.
I haven't flown them since 2011 (one flight). It's like the Bud Lite boycott. I was jealous because I couldn't take part. I can't boycott something I won't ever buy (work put me on that one flight).
I wonder how they will deal with poor versus rich minorities or disabled people? What happens when a group of minorities gets cheaper fares, but one rich minority guy has a fare that is double? He will sue.
I’m pretty sure this has already been going on somewhat for a while. Seems like airlines, hotels, etc use your previous searches to keep the prices high. Clearing the cache seems to help, but if they are tapping into your history of purchasing other things, we are screwed. Our data is already out there being sold. I’ll have to get my young nieces and nephews to do searches for me.
Well, I'm a tightwad to the 10th power. Maybe that AI is smart enough to figure that out and give up on milking me. I'll treat the transaction like buying a used car. Make an Offer, then walk when they don't come down enough. Sooner or later, they call and agree to your Offer.
I do that. I bought a Suburban once and wanted to pay with my corporate Amex card so I could get the points (I was paying it off once the points hit). The dealership didn't want to let me because they would have to pay the Amex fee. The Suburban was $35k (dealer car).
I walked out, got in my car, and started to pull away and the manager waved me back in. He tried to tell me it is a bad idea because the Amex bill would be due soon, but he ultimately allowed me to do it. I had already told my company finance people I was doing that and they said they don't care as long as the bill is paid.
I paid the bill as soon as the points showed up - no issues. I used the same card when we adopted our daughter - court and attorney fees - but that time I didn't have to repay it. My company had an adoption benefit for up to $2500 so I just used the card and expensed it. I still kid her that I got Membership Rewards points for her.
Humanity should design a standard system that Corporations use or don't get our Business. Humanity should start forming new Corporations that are owned and controlled by the many, no longer the few. People need to divest from Blackrock and reinvest in Humanity for all.
I am so pissed about this. I have been a long-time loyal Delta passenger, mostly to support the airline for which my sister works. I have also racked up lots of miles via my AmEx, hoping to go on some nice trips when I retire. I am screwed with this model, being locked in as a SkyMiles member. I hope this is a “wake up the normie” ploy by the white hats!
Find another airline, and do their status matching. You show them your elite status on Delta and they will either match it or give you a "challenge" to fly x miles in y days. I did that when Continental merged with United, and American matched it.
If you have a ton of Delta miles you can possibly sell them on certain aftermarkets, or just use them for hotels and rental cars.
Here's the solution. DON'T FLY DELTA.
Correct or no travel because they are going to do with all the airlines.
I have a Delta AMEX card with 14,500 points I can't use because their ticket prices were far higher, F them, I bought tickets with a non-specific travel card...
Discriminatory. Discrimination is illegal in the USA. Wait for class action suits.
It's only discrimination if you discriminate based on the protected classes like gender or race.
Slim, young and attractive is a protected class. OK, maybe not officially, but still.
If we don't win this will apply to ever single thing in your life.
Got that right!
Ok it’s only fair if they charge multiple seats for the ones who don’t fit in one
Sauce on that possibility:
https://www.imghaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Stacey-Abrams-Weight1.jpg
Which is only fair if they charge less for passengers that weigh less than average and don't take up a full seat.
Where do I apply for reparations?
This has to be illegal.
https://quantaintelligence.ai/2024/09/23/financial-services/ftc-investigates-airline-pricing-practices
If it isn’t it should be.
Hope you are doing well, Fren!
Thanks Dagny! [Still having treatments but don't think about it! Try to life my life.]
I have always been of the mind that there should be ONE price. No 'plus tax(es)', no 'plus s/h', no 'fees', etc. It should all be rolled into the price. What the customer sees, what every customer sees, is exactly what the customer pays.
This nonsense might just be the straw that forces Congress to finally do something about predatory pricing.
Not to defend anyone else, but single price is the case in most of Europe (and as far as I know, the world.)
You pay the price shown on the shelf, it includes the tax. In much of Europe there is minimal to no tipping as well, so when it says €20 on the menu, that's what you pay.
(The UK is starting to pick up on the US system of adding a "service charge" and asking for gratuity, which is just more bullshit)
That is a law suit waiting to happen.
Came here to say this ☝️many lawsuits in their future...
Q did say Class Action lawsuits are effective!
So it might seem redundant but it is moments like this where having a burner pc's and burner emails or a USB bootable PC is handy...Boot with a Linux OS with no persistence...so it is clean install that never saves anything...know whom your buying from go straight there buy it...to further guard yourself use a VPN so none of searches on others systems can be tied to your real IP...MAC spoofing and being able to alter is also possible but for most more trouble then it is worth. Practice Digital Camouflage.
They will just set it so no history = maximum pricing.
All I can say is in the past the VPN and my personal PC habits have saved me money...buying tickets to the UK and Florida while purchasing via PC VPN from places like Mexico City and Lima Peru. So they could always do as you say, true...but I don't have to accept the offer and I love road trips and have no need to leave the country ever at this point in my life.
Yup, the market in which the ticket is (ostensibly) purchased matters. It's often subsidized for lower income markets and inflated for higher income/high demand markets.
The ITA Matrix search has purchase city as a field to allow this to be observed (matrix.itasoftware.com - searches using Sabre, the pricing platform used internally by travel agents, most booking sites, and airlines, with the exception of Southwest, which uses their own system)
More accurate than u know.
~30+ years IT/security.
Absolutely. No digital footprint. Don’t give these systems the oxygen they need to function.
Don't forget your proxy as well. Windscribe is awesome, MAGA-aligned, and runs everything off of RAM so they couldn't pull your history if they tried. Once they get your IP address they have a good shot at fingerprinting at least that specific install forever.
Good to know.
Selective price gouging?
Poors can now set up a nice little arbitrage business buying tickets for the almost Weathy, split the difference, bingo bongo.
They are starting to float this idea in Europe for energy pricing too.
This has been occurring in the hospitality industry for a while. They use your personal/tracking data to set pricing. Go to one of the big websites for travel and you will see one rate. Check a little while later and the rate will go up.
When shopping for a hotel stay or airfare, always use private/incognito mode to minimize what data they can pull.
This is going to backfire spectacularly
Just another reason to stay digitally anonymous.
Algorithms can be gamed. Just use your kid's computer to buy the ticket.
Just don't fly delta until the lawsuits killing it are settled.
I haven't flown them since 2011 (one flight). It's like the Bud Lite boycott. I was jealous because I couldn't take part. I can't boycott something I won't ever buy (work put me on that one flight).
I’d wuz razed a po blac boy…
I wonder how they will deal with poor versus rich minorities or disabled people? What happens when a group of minorities gets cheaper fares, but one rich minority guy has a fare that is double? He will sue.
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Social credit score.
There's no way that's not discrimination.
That's one reason it is best to use cash as much as possible.
I’m pretty sure this has already been going on somewhat for a while. Seems like airlines, hotels, etc use your previous searches to keep the prices high. Clearing the cache seems to help, but if they are tapping into your history of purchasing other things, we are screwed. Our data is already out there being sold. I’ll have to get my young nieces and nephews to do searches for me.
Isn't that illegal?
https://x.com/Aquarius3_0/status/1946284696150724854
And if left unchecked the whole world will be that way by the end of the year
Exactly.
Well they can do whatever they want, I will not be traveling, plus I don’t like to travel.
Exactly what I was thinking. They can charge 10,000,000.00 a seat for all I care. I'm never flying again.
Yep
Well, I'm a tightwad to the 10th power. Maybe that AI is smart enough to figure that out and give up on milking me. I'll treat the transaction like buying a used car. Make an Offer, then walk when they don't come down enough. Sooner or later, they call and agree to your Offer.
I do that. I bought a Suburban once and wanted to pay with my corporate Amex card so I could get the points (I was paying it off once the points hit). The dealership didn't want to let me because they would have to pay the Amex fee. The Suburban was $35k (dealer car).
I walked out, got in my car, and started to pull away and the manager waved me back in. He tried to tell me it is a bad idea because the Amex bill would be due soon, but he ultimately allowed me to do it. I had already told my company finance people I was doing that and they said they don't care as long as the bill is paid.
I paid the bill as soon as the points showed up - no issues. I used the same card when we adopted our daughter - court and attorney fees - but that time I didn't have to repay it. My company had an adoption benefit for up to $2500 so I just used the card and expensed it. I still kid her that I got Membership Rewards points for her.
The foot in the door for a social credit score.
Humanity should design a standard system that Corporations use or don't get our Business. Humanity should start forming new Corporations that are owned and controlled by the many, no longer the few. People need to divest from Blackrock and reinvest in Humanity for all.
I don’t think this is what was meant by any means, but here’s an interesting coincidence:
This is a crime. Don't need AI, it's just discriminatory pricing. There should be laws already on the books to quickly handle this attempt.
And the written context is labeled "AI SUMMARY" fukn irony kek
Delta is by far the best airline in my opinion. But this is wrong and I will reconsider my loyalty.
I wonder if not logging into your Delta account will help get the standard price for a flight?
I am so pissed about this. I have been a long-time loyal Delta passenger, mostly to support the airline for which my sister works. I have also racked up lots of miles via my AmEx, hoping to go on some nice trips when I retire. I am screwed with this model, being locked in as a SkyMiles member. I hope this is a “wake up the normie” ploy by the white hats!
Find another airline, and do their status matching. You show them your elite status on Delta and they will either match it or give you a "challenge" to fly x miles in y days. I did that when Continental merged with United, and American matched it.
If you have a ton of Delta miles you can possibly sell them on certain aftermarkets, or just use them for hotels and rental cars.
As America becomes great again I'm going to be driving all around it enjoying the scenery . F*** the airlines, they don't exist. And f*** the real ID.
Actually pretty stupid of them. AA or United could easily undercut their prices. They do already. I rarely fly Delta since the others cost less.
Social credits anyone?
It looks like some sort of socialist thing.