There are people grieving for Charlie Kirk, A hero died a senseless death today at the hands of a criminal enterprise that dropped the veneer of morality a long time ago.
The responses have ranged from grief for Charlie, to anger at the democratic party, the left, etc. in general because of their blasé attitude or outright celebration of assassination.
But there is a third group. The ones who say that there will be retribution. There will be violence. That the gloves are off and this is a Civil War now.
Those people, avoid them. Because here's the thing, if we stoop to their level and burn, loot, and murder, we are no better than them. We give them an excuse to say "See? Alt Right is violent". We give the Cabal an excuse to crack down, to deploy the UN. We desecrate everything that Charlie Kirk stood for.
Charlie Kirk stood for rational debate, for common sense. For us to take to the streets and enact mob justice, we might as well be shooting him now.
Charlie died a hero. To wage jihad in his name would be an insult to his memory.
Sorry. They will call us nasty names and say horrible things about us anyway. They've been doing that for over ten years now.
Where has being reasonable with them gotten us?
It got a young woman slaughtered like an animal on a public train and it got a young Christian man publicly executed, again slaughtered like an animal.
Sorry. We are WAY WAY WAY past being "nice" to people who see it only as weakness and take full advantage of it.
THE LEFTISTS DO ALL THIS HORRIBLE STUFF
BECAUSE THERE ARE NEVER, EVER ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR THEM.
CONSEQUENCES WHEN???
Its not about being "nice," anon. Its about not falling for the Cabal's deliberate attempt to pit Americans against each other.
These people are not Americans, they are commies.
What about the Americans pitting us against each other?
The cabal didn't make all these people celebrate this. They chose to do that.
I for one am getting real tired of turning the other cheek. I'm tired of seeing these lunatics getting away without any consequences. The other side have nothing but blind hate. If you get killed, your liberal coworkers will laugh and spit at your mourning children. How can there ever be unity in this country? The violence and hate from their side is never going to stop. Something needs to be done, but what is the solution? How do we deradicalize these people? Mass deprogramming? Yeah, that'll go over real well, just round up half the country and send them off to reeducation camps. The world is beyond fucked and I honestly don't see a peaceful solution. Peace seems like a pipe dream.
The only way we can win is through hearts and minds. We need to have courage, step out, and be unashamed in our beliefs. WWG1WGA. That's what that is all about. When I heard news about the shooting, I had similar thoughts to you. But that's what they want us to do. They're trying to get us to lash out, making us no better than them. We have to be both peaceful and persistent. In honor of Charlie, I ordered a new Trump 2028 bumper sticker and coffee mug. This will remind the Deep State that this won't end in 2028, or 2032, or anytime in the foreseeable future. If they can use Adrenochrome to keep their best assets alive indefinitely, then we can too. We won't give up. We won't go away. We will continue on, just as we always have.
What evidence is there that it was a leftists? This was a professional hit job. Why would the Dems just gift wrap the mid terms from the Republicans? Makes no sense.
Charlie Kirk started questioning the October 7th narrative on the Patrick Bet David podcast. They lose Charlie and it’s over for them. Who benefits the most from his death? Israel does. Who has the worst PR in the world right now? Israel does. Who just attacked 6 different countries in the past 3 days? Israel did.
What story would distract the best? One of their own cheerleaders getting killed. Trying to stir the pot of America and get eyes off of them.
Edit: to the downvoters explain how I am wrong. Ya’ll are bloodthirsty against the left with zero evidence that it was one of them. In my opinion you are being psyoped into Civil War.
Charlie Kirk was a dear friend to President Trump. Israel has some of the best intelligence in the world. They wouldn't dare poke the sleeping bear because they know there would be terrible consequences if they did. More than likely, this is a psyop, but not from Israel. My money is on Canada. The tariffs are causing tremendous harm. They recently elected another left leaning government. It wouldn't surprise me if Canada does end up becoming part of the US in the near future, as occupied territory.
Okay… Charlie was an Evangelical who supported Israel who started to question October 7th and said Epstein was a Mossad agent a couple of weeks ago. They lose Charlie they lose a lot of Evangelical Christians who are the last supporters of Israel. I don’t think you understand how desperate Israel is. They have totally lost the PR battle with Gaza and they just bombed 6 countries in 3 days. By killing off Kirk they silence him, the unhinged pro Palestinian people give Israel good PR and they stoke the flames in America.
Why the fuck would Canada assassinate Charlie Kirk who has no real political power over tariffs. With all due respect this is a dumb take. I will 100% come back and tell you I am a dipshit if Trump backs off Canadian tariffs over this. But your take makes zero sense.
Israel is not desperate. President Trump has been the greatest friend and supporter of Israel they have ever had. They know that we have their back. History is written by the victors. Israel doesn't need PR as long as they have enough weapons to finish the job, and be the last man standing.
The move here on Canada is about causing chaos and disruption. If civil unrest breaks out, then soldiers have to be moved away from the borders, making openings for shipments of goods to slip through, tariff and inspection free. These shipments could be fentanyl, maple syrup, moose meat, or whatever. The point is that a weak US makes us more vulnerable to bad trade deals, and more likely to have open borders. The enemy will always try to use mind games. Have you ever thought about why we don't have a wall on our border with Canada? It is because they have this facade of being nice and friendly. Everyone gives Canada a pass. At least, everyone until President Trump (during his second term).
Yes. Yes, they will.
Don’t let them be right.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0GmBNuZ/x/c/4eWbTJKrpUg
Being reasonable is not for our sakes alone. Being reasonable is for the Glory of God, and as a reflection of Christ.
So, i'm not supposed to spank my child?
Sarcasm aside, violence must be an option when the other side does not respect the peaceful channels offered by the other side.
Charlie Kirk was peaceful, but powerful.
When you have lost, you resort to violence.
And when the other side has lost and has resorted to violence, then you must exceed that violence in response and drive home the win.
For the purposes of this Board, I am speaking philosophically and am not advocating for any particular violent action.
Big Boy pants. Face the bully.
100%
Yep. Violence is usually not the answer but when it is the answer, it's the only answer.
This is why trump and the white hats are restoring our republic's law enforcement and military to do the job that they are supposed to do which is to inflict violence on criminals and the enemies of our country. Remember this is the biggest sting operation in the history of the world. 500k sealed indictments. It is a "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes" moment.
Psalm 10:15
Break the arm of the wicked man; call the evildoer to account for his wickedness that would not otherwise be found out.
OP, riddle me this: what is the answer to those that continually rain violence down on our side? Keep taking it in the ass? My favorite tshirt from my 20's was one that said " I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose". Im not advocating violence, but this cannot continue unabated from the left. There must be consequences at some point.
Violence will be my answer when they come to my home looking for trouble.
If they are coming to commit violence, or in violence, then it's self defense.
I'm not advocating for your "burn, loot, murder" rhetoric.
I'm advocating for a "fuck you troon! We're done listening to you and putting up with your bullshit" attitude.
I'm advocating to hate evil give no quarter to these people and their ideology.
I'm also advocating for Americans to get armed and stay aware. Protect yourselves. Protect your family. Protect your churches. Protect your property.
Do not give them an inch. Do not piss on them if they're on fire.
The momentum has been to take away the funding for these organizations, news media and so called influencers that can't win a debate and call for violence.
I think President Trump is going to ramp the dismantling of the fake news and promote healthy news media to take its place for healthy debate.
Correct anon.
Christ is the example of this. He rebuked Simon Peter who cut off the ear of a soldier who was arresting Him, saying "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). Our Lord Himself, facing unjust arrest and execution, rejected violence as the solution.
Charlie Kirk advocated for truth through discourse and reason, the very antithesis of mob violence.
The system wants us to riot. Don't give it to them. Grieve properly. Organize politically. Expose the truth. Win through the system they're trying to destroy. That's how we truly honor Charlie - by winning the war of ideas by making them the monsters they accuse us of being.
Our strength has always been in our commitment to truth and order, not mob justice. The best revenge is building through lawful, political means that preserve our moral high ground.
Jesus also flipped tables and wielded a whip. There's a point we all don't want to get to. But sometimes, it's inevitable.
That is true.
Christ did whip (in the air) at the powerful brokers of corruption, intimidating them like a righteous force, against those who corrupted sacred space for personal gain. But we need to remember that was a very specific response to corruption in a very specific (holy) place.
But he didn't assault them or take their life or ruin their property. His goal was justice, and yes, sometimes, that requires a whip.
We have to use discernment to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
Voted Up, Have no clue about downvotes. Maybe they are clueless.
Jesus flipped tables on his own property, where guests in his house were desecrating the purpose both by ignoring basic functions and purposes, but further by trading in fraudulent goods at extortion prices to people who couldn’t afford it, while having unclean hearts, and obstructing the purpose of the sacrifices from the people, which was repentance toward God.
Just to add some context.
Hebrews 4:15 reminds us: “We do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet He did not sin.”
That's because righteous judgment is not sin.
That was jesus's house that he chased people out of. He was protecting his own property.
He later came back in judgment on the clouds and destroyed the entire city and Temple in 70 AD.
That wasn't sin either. It was righteous judgment
I do not disagree. A lot of people think they are feeling righteous anger right now and I think they're wrong.
Whips are not (at least the way Jesus used it) lethal. And, one could make the case for Castle Doctrine , in that the only place He ever did that was at the Temple, which He considered His Father's House.
(Mar 11:15–19; Luk 19:45–48; Jhn 2:13–22 ) All four Gospels have this recorded.
You wouldn't think there would be a song about this, but ApologetiX, A Christian Parody Band , managed it! (To the tune of the Eurythmic's Sweet Dreams. no less!) So without further ado, here it is:
Sweet Jesus (Made A Whip) - APX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vg0z4aTCes
This.
Violence is never the answer until the day it is.
Yada, yada, yada..
Some times when you are backed in the corner violence is the only way to survive.
Violence may very well be the answer.
But now's not the time. We'll trust the plan a little longer.
I do not agree with burning, pillaging, looting, etc., but if war comes, naked violence is the only way to answer it. If that were not so, we would still be English today.
All the murderer(s) have done by assassinating Charlie Kirk is to reawaken the same sleeping giant that Japan found out about after Pearl harbor. These liberal crazies act like they want war with conservatives. Well, be careful of what you wish for since a significant number of conservative men are seasoned combat veterans, competent and trained gun owners, and not afraid to stand up to evil when it threatens their lives, or the lives of their families.
History proves violence does have its place, even if it is in defense:
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst; breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."
"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost."
"The best things in life are beyond money; their price is agony and sweat and devotion ... and the price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself - ultimate cost for perfect value."
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms.”—Samuel Adams
“I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”—Patrick Henry
“The truth is, all might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they ought.”—Samuel Adams
“Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.” - John Adams, A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765
“Is life so dear, or peaceful so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” - Patrick Henry, Speech at the Virginia Convention
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Colonel William S. Smith, November 13, 1787
“’Tis a Common Observation here that our Cause is the Cause of all Mankind; and that we are fighting for their Liberty in defending our own.” - Benjamin Franklin, Letter to Samuel Cooper, 1777
“The people...are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1787
“It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case others.” - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Benjamin Rush, 1803
“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” - Thomas Jefferson
“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.” - Samuel Adams, Article in the Boston Gazette, October 14, 1771
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.” - Thomas Paine, The Crisis, 1777
This isn't even about being better than them or not stooping to their level. This isn't about not honoring Charlie Kirk. It's not about being the better person or turning the other cheek.
This is about winning. That's it, that's what matters.
They are resorting to this level of violence, more and more frequently because WE ARE WINNING and they don't know anything else to do!
They have literally nothing else. We're beating them on cleaning up crime, we're beating them on safety and family. We're beating them on freedom of choice in healthcare, education and vaccination. We're beating them on tariffs and the deficit.
We're beating them on voter integrity. We're dismantling their money laundering operations.
And they know we're in for one of the greatest economies ever within the next 12 months, and there will be NOTHING TO BE DONE to stop the appeal that will have with voters.
They. Have. Nothing. Left.
And with each action like this, whether it be the shot at Trump or the assassination of Charlie, or the Ukranian refugee on the bus. Every single time we see this happen, more people move towards the right.
If we act in violence or retaliation, if we spew hatred right back at them, then we start to lose the same battle they are already losing. We meet them at their level, and the people who are deserting them in droves will look at us and say "I guess this is just politics now" as they walk right back to the left.
I'm not saying there aren't times to defend ourselves as necessary.
But these aren't those times. We're winning with a very specific strategy of ideas and dialogue that Trump is executing on, and the only way we lose now is by messing it up with violence.
Absolutely Right!
Thank you. May God illuminate and eliminate the darkness for all.