Excellent point. To add to it, there’s also nothing charitable about having your property forcibly taken by government. It has to be given of your own free will and kindness. Nobody considers our taxes to be charitable, even if a minuscule amount goes to those in need.
Their catechism book ignores the one on idolatry and the entirety of the Vatican is full of graven images, and they teach prayer to saints and angels. This is apostasy.
They outright claim to have moved the sanctity of the Sabbath to Sunday and that this is a mark of their authority.
I thank you for your great wisdom on the subject of sharing property. Please make sure my room in the Vatican is prepared. I plan on moving in in two weeks. I can hardly wait to be surrounded by such wealth and opulence. Praise the Lord!
I wish people would stop politicizing the gospel. His Word has nothing to do with what ever political system you think is best. Jesus didn't die on the cross for communism, socialism, capitalism.
Anyway, the pope is a useless heretical false teacher. Roman catholicism is all about idols and serving the pope rather than Jesus Himself.
There does seem to be a lot of idol worship in Catholicism. Praying to Mary, the saints, and I believe people historically would even pray to deceased relatives or their kings. I think even the way crucifixes are treated is a bit like idol worship. Seems like a distortion of the teachings of Christ. Open to hearing from a resident Catholic to clear things up for me though.
Eh..catechism is incredibly interesting. There's some cases of canonization that have more evidence than some scientific phenomena. Catechism pretty much treats the Bible as "we're too stupid to understand what's actually going on and we'll spend the next million years trying to figure it out" The concept of the "mysteries" makes Catholicism incredibly thought provoking from a strictly theological viewpoint.
Intercession is kind of a weird one, which some Catholics do question. Essentially though, condemning it would be like saying asking someone to pray for you is sinful (why didn't you just pray yourself?) And if you believe in the concept of omnipresence applying to time as well, then asking for someone in the same quantic space (such as one of the true saints, or Mary) to intercede for you is not idolatry
I'd be much more worried about denominations that believe in the elect or hard predestination. That's not only denying the Christ (whoever comes to me) but also elevating acts above His blood.. might as well be a Jehovah's witness at that point.
You:
"....then asking for someone in the same quantic space (such as one of the true saints, or Mary) to intercede for you is not idolatry."
Scripture:
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You: "I'd be much more worried about denominations that believe in the elect or hard predestination. That's not only denying the Christ (whoever comes to me) but also elevating acts above His blood."
You are there referring to John 6 [37]. If you continue reading the Lord's statement to John 6 [44] Jesus tells you specifically whom he is talking about:
[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
You have everything exactly backwards to what the Lord says. I am no Jehova's Witness. But I dare not contradict or misrepresent what Jesus says clearly and repeatedly, as the Scripture also clearly states what awaits those who do such things:
Rev.22 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Again misunderstanding of the terms. Graven Images applies to the Pagan religions of the time with the statue in the "temples" being the gods. Remember this is the belief in the one true God who sent his only son Jesus for the forgiveness of the sins of humanity. We as humans are sinners so the humans running the organization are too.
the way a non catholic pastor who broke open his concordenc, there were graven images, carved idols from various material, which represented the household gods before abraham set forth on his journey.
in doing so he was supposed to have no other gods before him, those graven(carved/whittled/molded) images were of lesser beings and were not to be worshipped because he was a jealous god.
Before him translates as more important than the one God of Israel.. Right it doesn't mean we can't have representations /pictures...of God. Pictures are like what we have in our homes of our families....to remind us of our friends and family members. Statues and paintings are the same thing. We are not worshipping the image.
Not pray to exactly...all worship is directly to God and Jesus. Complete misunderstanding of the terms praying with Mary and the Saints asking for them to add their prayers to our own. Yes we do pray for the dead not to. Please research the history of the practices of the Catholic church. Give me a minute to type up a fuller answer. I will post again.
As I read thru comments I found myself seeing a lot of untrue anti Catholic statements. I tend to get upset over the number of untrue and mischaracterized traditions in The Church. I would love to help anyone understand if I can.This. anti Catholic belief is a great example of the distortions that can happen when factions have political agendas when writing history. First point I want to make is The Church is the beginning of Christianity. Jesus declared Peter to build his church and the Apostles carried the message around the Mediterranean world. A great place to start is reading the new testament. I recommend a study type Bible for context and explanations. Most of the beliefs are easily understood by keeping in mind the history of our world and opening our mind enough to see both sides of issues. Questions are great but treat information like every other topic and do the research. For example, Who wrote it this way and why? I do not defend the sins of the human leaders in our church. But I do believe the message from Jesus to love the Lord your God with all of your heart mind and soul...AND love your neighbor as yourself. The best summation of the 10 Commandments! Jesus promised us the kingdom of heaven. Faith is a little hard to explain. To believe in God, creator or a higher power or what ever name you want to use without physical proof can be very hard for some in our legalistic secular society. I have more..if you have questions feel free to ask. I will answer to the best of my ability from my experiences and reading I have done.
Just one problem: The sharing that occurred in the early Christian communities was, get this: VOLUNTARY. No one ever took what belonged to another and gave it to someone else. That is the essence of COMMUNISM, not Christianity. Christians give out of their joy and love of others.
Sharing your property out of the goodness of your heart is Christian. Forcing someone else to share their property is theft and certainly not Christian. It is also worth noting that sharing your property hoping to get accolades for it is seen in the eyes of God as being as sinful as stealing. The one recorded incidence of this in the Bible, Annanias and Saphira in Acts, is given the sentence of death, immediately carried out by God Himself.
Article's writer says the globalists are "trying" to take over Catholicism. Not "trying." [They]'ve been a part of Catholicism since it's inception. Most of the modern day secret societies came from the Catlic "church." The Globalists succeeded when [they] got Pope John Paul II consecrated as Pope, and [they]'ve been solidifying [their] power ever since.
I mean some very early Christian sects lives communally. But that was more so when Christianity amounted to loosely affiliated groups with similar beliefs spread throughout the Mediterranean. Those for the most part faded away as the early churches began organizing in a more formal fashion.
Monks and nuns live communally to this day in isolation. But they all do the work and share because they all pull their weight. A monk or nun that isn't pulling their weight in the monastery is asked to leave.
I said for the most part not specifically stating all of them. There’s exceptions to everything. The orders of Monks and Nuns and a handful of fringe groups are the exception.
Generally though on a whole. The practice of communal living has faded from the lives of the majority of Christians.
Communal living still requires that the pull their weight or else they are exiled. That was true with communal living of early Christianity and any other society with communal living.
The mistake people make comparing communal living to communism is that communal living involves everyone holding each other accountable while sharing responsibility. Communism doesn't hold everyone accountable and the responsibility isn't shared.
Think of communal living as a barter system where you contribute goods in exchange for access to other goods in the community. Similar to a social contract between citizen and state with taxes and a federal system.
The difference between communism and heaven sharing is that communism has to be forced by people that take extra in order to enforce it and the heavenly way is voluntary within a community that all are of the same heart and mind.
For the pope to promote sharing of property with out first talking about the deep spirituality required is preparing/brainwashing people to accept the communist way. There is a reason they put walls in Berlin which is to keep people locked in the communist hell they made.
But those communities spoken of in the NT that ‘held all things in common’ were made up of equally yoked individuals. Not forced ghettos of all non elites having to share whatever meager rations the leaders deemed suitable.
Its christianity if you allow it to be a person's free will to give or not to give Nd how much. It's just stealing otherwise and God has something to say about that too. U fag
Can anything be done by this pretender. The serpent is occupied the holy seat and has turned our loving faith into a mockery. GOD endures I have faith in righteousness and low his wrath shall be biblical...
Excellent point. To add to it, there’s also nothing charitable about having your property forcibly taken by government. It has to be given of your own free will and kindness. Nobody considers our taxes to be charitable, even if a minuscule amount goes to those in need.
The fruits of our labor.
Enough said.
he who does not work, shall not eat.
two fold
no wages no food
no labour on behalf of another, another shall not feed you on your behalf.
This exactly!
They tossed the 2nd (idolatry) and 4th (Sabbath keeping). There's no reason they won't scrap the 10th too.
They've scrapped the entire Word of God.
Nope. That is a anothere misinterpretation.
Their catechism book ignores the one on idolatry and the entirety of the Vatican is full of graven images, and they teach prayer to saints and angels. This is apostasy.
They outright claim to have moved the sanctity of the Sabbath to Sunday and that this is a mark of their authority.
My statements are not misinterpretation.
So true! Communism only works when Jesus is the leader and it's called the Law of Consecration.
Maybe he should start by sharing access to the Vatican archives.
And his gold
And bank
and my AXE
And my recipe book.
Dear Pope Francis,
I thank you for your great wisdom on the subject of sharing property. Please make sure my room in the Vatican is prepared. I plan on moving in in two weeks. I can hardly wait to be surrounded by such wealth and opulence. Praise the Lord!
Anon
Sure. We'll all meet in the Reptile Room. Be there, or be square!
Yep, take down the walls.
Voluntary sharing is pure Christianity. Involuntary or coercive "sharing" is theft. And it is not difficult to draw the distinction.
I wish people would stop politicizing the gospel. His Word has nothing to do with what ever political system you think is best. Jesus didn't die on the cross for communism, socialism, capitalism.
Anyway, the pope is a useless heretical false teacher. Roman catholicism is all about idols and serving the pope rather than Jesus Himself.
There does seem to be a lot of idol worship in Catholicism. Praying to Mary, the saints, and I believe people historically would even pray to deceased relatives or their kings. I think even the way crucifixes are treated is a bit like idol worship. Seems like a distortion of the teachings of Christ. Open to hearing from a resident Catholic to clear things up for me though.
Eh..catechism is incredibly interesting. There's some cases of canonization that have more evidence than some scientific phenomena. Catechism pretty much treats the Bible as "we're too stupid to understand what's actually going on and we'll spend the next million years trying to figure it out" The concept of the "mysteries" makes Catholicism incredibly thought provoking from a strictly theological viewpoint.
Intercession is kind of a weird one, which some Catholics do question. Essentially though, condemning it would be like saying asking someone to pray for you is sinful (why didn't you just pray yourself?) And if you believe in the concept of omnipresence applying to time as well, then asking for someone in the same quantic space (such as one of the true saints, or Mary) to intercede for you is not idolatry
I'd be much more worried about denominations that believe in the elect or hard predestination. That's not only denying the Christ (whoever comes to me) but also elevating acts above His blood.. might as well be a Jehovah's witness at that point.
You: "....then asking for someone in the same quantic space (such as one of the true saints, or Mary) to intercede for you is not idolatry."
Scripture: 1 Timothy 2:5 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You: "I'd be much more worried about denominations that believe in the elect or hard predestination. That's not only denying the Christ (whoever comes to me) but also elevating acts above His blood."
You are there referring to John 6 [37]. If you continue reading the Lord's statement to John 6 [44] Jesus tells you specifically whom he is talking about:
[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
You have everything exactly backwards to what the Lord says. I am no Jehova's Witness. But I dare not contradict or misrepresent what Jesus says clearly and repeatedly, as the Scripture also clearly states what awaits those who do such things:
Rev.22 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
the whole part of "graven images" got tossed
Again misunderstanding of the terms. Graven Images applies to the Pagan religions of the time with the statue in the "temples" being the gods. Remember this is the belief in the one true God who sent his only son Jesus for the forgiveness of the sins of humanity. We as humans are sinners so the humans running the organization are too.
the way a non catholic pastor who broke open his concordenc, there were graven images, carved idols from various material, which represented the household gods before abraham set forth on his journey.
in doing so he was supposed to have no other gods before him, those graven(carved/whittled/molded) images were of lesser beings and were not to be worshipped because he was a jealous god.
Before him translates as more important than the one God of Israel.. Right it doesn't mean we can't have representations /pictures...of God. Pictures are like what we have in our homes of our families....to remind us of our friends and family members. Statues and paintings are the same thing. We are not worshipping the image.
Nah, thats pretty much it.
Oh and the whole covering up pedophilia for decades as well.
Not pray to exactly...all worship is directly to God and Jesus. Complete misunderstanding of the terms praying with Mary and the Saints asking for them to add their prayers to our own. Yes we do pray for the dead not to. Please research the history of the practices of the Catholic church. Give me a minute to type up a fuller answer. I will post again.
Thank you. I don’t mean to be disrespectful, I just don’t understand it the way it’s presented generally.
As I read thru comments I found myself seeing a lot of untrue anti Catholic statements. I tend to get upset over the number of untrue and mischaracterized traditions in The Church. I would love to help anyone understand if I can.This. anti Catholic belief is a great example of the distortions that can happen when factions have political agendas when writing history. First point I want to make is The Church is the beginning of Christianity. Jesus declared Peter to build his church and the Apostles carried the message around the Mediterranean world. A great place to start is reading the new testament. I recommend a study type Bible for context and explanations. Most of the beliefs are easily understood by keeping in mind the history of our world and opening our mind enough to see both sides of issues. Questions are great but treat information like every other topic and do the research. For example, Who wrote it this way and why? I do not defend the sins of the human leaders in our church. But I do believe the message from Jesus to love the Lord your God with all of your heart mind and soul...AND love your neighbor as yourself. The best summation of the 10 Commandments! Jesus promised us the kingdom of heaven. Faith is a little hard to explain. To believe in God, creator or a higher power or what ever name you want to use without physical proof can be very hard for some in our legalistic secular society. I have more..if you have questions feel free to ask. I will answer to the best of my ability from my experiences and reading I have done.
^^^ This
guygirl readshisher Bible.Girl*
It's ok, I forgive you ?
Noted. Correction made.
OK then poppy, are you going to open up your library
Lots of hidden history needs to be shared.
Piece of shit dark pope jesuit kid-drinker.
I'm not a fan and no one I know thats Catholic is either. I'm married into Italians for perspective.
The entire point of communism is that it is not sharing, but forced redistribution. Not complex logic here.
Just one problem: The sharing that occurred in the early Christian communities was, get this: VOLUNTARY. No one ever took what belonged to another and gave it to someone else. That is the essence of COMMUNISM, not Christianity. Christians give out of their joy and love of others.
Sharing your property out of the goodness of your heart is Christian. Forcing someone else to share their property is theft and certainly not Christian. It is also worth noting that sharing your property hoping to get accolades for it is seen in the eyes of God as being as sinful as stealing. The one recorded incidence of this in the Bible, Annanias and Saphira in Acts, is given the sentence of death, immediately carried out by God Himself.
Article's writer says the globalists are "trying" to take over Catholicism. Not "trying." [They]'ve been a part of Catholicism since it's inception. Most of the modern day secret societies came from the Catlic "church." The Globalists succeeded when [they] got Pope John Paul II consecrated as Pope, and [they]'ve been solidifying [their] power ever since.
I mean some very early Christian sects lives communally. But that was more so when Christianity amounted to loosely affiliated groups with similar beliefs spread throughout the Mediterranean. Those for the most part faded away as the early churches began organizing in a more formal fashion.
Monks and nuns live communally to this day in isolation. But they all do the work and share because they all pull their weight. A monk or nun that isn't pulling their weight in the monastery is asked to leave.
I said for the most part not specifically stating all of them. There’s exceptions to everything. The orders of Monks and Nuns and a handful of fringe groups are the exception.
Generally though on a whole. The practice of communal living has faded from the lives of the majority of Christians.
Communal living still requires that the pull their weight or else they are exiled. That was true with communal living of early Christianity and any other society with communal living.
The mistake people make comparing communal living to communism is that communal living involves everyone holding each other accountable while sharing responsibility. Communism doesn't hold everyone accountable and the responsibility isn't shared.
Think of communal living as a barter system where you contribute goods in exchange for access to other goods in the community. Similar to a social contract between citizen and state with taxes and a federal system.
RIGHT. While that satanic sack of excrement lives off of the guilt-ridden, poor Catholics who give their last farthing to the "church."
Pope isn't even Christian
Sharing is Christian. Being forced to share is not.
share with us some of those vatican buxx
Somebody hasn’t read the chyna version of Exodus lately? Or if it the shoes again...
The difference between communism and heaven sharing is that communism has to be forced by people that take extra in order to enforce it and the heavenly way is voluntary within a community that all are of the same heart and mind.
For the pope to promote sharing of property with out first talking about the deep spirituality required is preparing/brainwashing people to accept the communist way. There is a reason they put walls in Berlin which is to keep people locked in the communist hell they made.
no property rights = no self ownership = murder, assault, rape, and theft become free game.
That's not very Christian of you Mr Pope, if that is your real name ?.
But those communities spoken of in the NT that ‘held all things in common’ were made up of equally yoked individuals. Not forced ghettos of all non elites having to share whatever meager rations the leaders deemed suitable.
Hes also most likely not actually a legitimate pope: https://nonvenipacem.com/2021/04/11/was-pope-benedicts-invalid-resignation-in-error-or-on-purpose-30-points-of-light-from-acosta-through-cionci-through-tosatti/
Its christianity if you allow it to be a person's free will to give or not to give Nd how much. It's just stealing otherwise and God has something to say about that too. U fag
so if I go up to some catholic church properties and start buildiong a house, they wont evict me, right? sure....
kek
Not what that means
you try yet? maybe it does.
Nope private property. You can't just to start building on someone's property.
that is not what the pope was saying.
Occupy the Vatican
Sharing is something you do by choice.
Well then pope share your own property and leave the rest of us in peace.
Poop Francis never went full communist, he's always been there.
Hey Pope Francis, can I share your red baby skin shoes?
Can anything be done by this pretender. The serpent is occupied the holy seat and has turned our loving faith into a mockery. GOD endures I have faith in righteousness and low his wrath shall be biblical...