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posted ago by VoatAnon1984 ago by VoatAnon1984 +360 / -4

They worship Satan, that should tell you everything you need to know. You’re here for a reason.

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Mary911 74 points ago +75 / -1

I was not searching for this site, I stumbled on it by accident. That told me that God lead me here for a reason. Amen.

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FreedomFan1975 27 points ago +27 / -0

Me too. I have been an avid reader of Whatfinger.com for many years and happened to come across something they "stickied" on their website which was a link to a story here. Now I spend way more time here than I do there, and usually find that everything I read there is just a repeat of what I learn here each day.

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Mary911 21 points ago +21 / -0

Funny how you take up your cross to follow the Lord the many places he will lead you?

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FreedomFan1975 16 points ago +16 / -0

Amen, sister! :) And knowing it's Him is half the battle - to me, it's sad to see how many don't believe, don't want to acknowledge or see His messages, and coast through life without His guidance and love. My faith has kept me from losing my mind this year. Getting closer to God has been so comforting in the wake of what happened with the election - I was a blubbering mess on Jan. 7th. Nobody could calm me down. What's going on in this country is literally good v. evil and good will win. :)

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Mary911 16 points ago +16 / -0

God wins every time. You'd think the Democrats would know that by now.

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FreedomFan1975 10 points ago +10 / -0

Right?? What really gets me is democrats who claim to be Christians - how exactly do they square that? When the left is running around with their transgenders and their lying and cheating, trying to implement socialism here (which is demonstrably unChristian - we're supposed to work for a living and earn our prosperity in life), none of it is right with the Bible. When the "president"/impostor in chief promotes abortion (or as they call it, "reproductive rights", what a joke) but turns around and says he's Catholic - puhleeeeeze. I just hope they can get right with their Creator before it's too late. Every week in church I request a prayer for our country, on so many levels.

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SvixGale 9 points ago +9 / -0

On that note; leftists who use our religion as a weapon against us, are some of the most vile demons around.

"If you were REALLY a Christian, you would / wouldn't do this / say this / etc"

Fucking drives me insane. ?????

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FreedomFan1975 6 points ago +6 / -0

They're the most fun to tear apart. They never know what they're talking about so they're easy to shut down. You are right that they are the most vile! I suppose we should pray for them.

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amarQ144 5 points ago +5 / -0

I don't think that's true. I think god wins in the end, and it's generally traumatic, because evil has ruled and won the day for so long.

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Joys1Daughter 2 points ago +2 / -0

(((They))) put themselves ahead of God and therefore doomed to losing for eternity.

I agree u/VoatAnon1984! We are destined to be here fighting the good fight!

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

WWG1WGA

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Factfiler 4 points ago +4 / -0

Welcome fren. The water is quite fine here.

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SvixGale 5 points ago +5 / -0

There's a beautiful meme floating around;

"God woke you up for a reason"

KIND of like this, but not:

https://me.me/i/o-messages-now-god-smile-i-woke-you-up-for-13984664

This one above is more like "God woke you up from sleep / got you out of bed."

The meme I'm referring to is like God opened your eyes to all this stuff / Great Awakening.

Anyway.....yeah.....there's a reason.....

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Mary911 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bless you.That takes me back to that old Bellamy Brothers song of "Let your Love flow," where it starts out with, "there's a reason." Seems like old songs just keep being put in my head today for some reason.

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SvixGale 1 point ago +1 / -0

:-)

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racial_maddow 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well hi and welcome! That's really awesome!

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Mary911 4 points ago +4 / -0

Thank you.

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GoGoOptomistic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Amen

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WesternMan 30 points ago +31 / -1

The atheist says: In the beginning there was nothing. Nothing is nothing and it can do nothing. Then, nothing acted upon itself and turned itself into everything.

and they even smugly claim they are the logical ones lol

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aslan_is_0n_the_m0ve 28 points ago +28 / -0

Claiming to be wise they became fools... Rom. 1

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MainAd 11 points ago +11 / -0

Pat Robertson read that on my CD here as I read along in my Bible an hour ago. [ May I also add: The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. Let us continue to plant seeds whilst others work in the harvest. ]

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SherryLusk 6 points ago +6 / -0

Ain't that the truth.

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Glowie777 1 point ago +2 / -1

1 20 They are without excuse

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fuqdup 6 points ago +9 / -3

Don't dismiss the atheists that make no claims about how it all began, just because they don't believe yours.

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WesternMan 3 points ago +3 / -0

No, you have made a claim. The claim is: it did it itself.

Or to put it another way: the universe is its own creator

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fuqdup 1 point ago +1 / -0

"It did it itself" is a claim. I said those that make no claims about how it all began.

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fuqdup 1 point ago +1 / -0

You made that claim, not me. My claim is I don't know how it all began. Is that so hard to understand?

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WesternMan 2 points ago +2 / -0

You claimed to be an atheist. Remind me how that word differs from agnostic..

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fuqdup 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ok. Whether one is a theist or an atheist is a question of belief. Do you believe or do you not believe. Whether an agnostic or gnostic is a question of knowledge. Do you know or do you not know. I don't believe in the claim that there is a God, I admit I don't know whether I'm right or wrong about that, so I'm an agnostic atheist.

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WesternMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Stop being a coward. Your attempt to dodge in 2 directions simultaneously is pathetic.

The question you are dodging is - do you believe the universe created itself, and you can't even answer that simple question, despite your belief that it did. You are being wormy.

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fuqdup 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's easy. I don't believe the universe created itself.

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +5 / -4

They love speaking for atheists here. It's a straw-man argument buffet.

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Onedude123 2 points ago +2 / -0

In my experience it seems it’s academia (professors philosophers ) that is atheist but the common person that say something they’re atheist are agnostic

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Glowie777 -1 points ago +1 / -2

We dismiss their logic. Atheism brought 100+ horrible million deaths in the 20th century between Mao/Stalin

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OkieBowhunter 2 points ago +2 / -0

And not related to atheism.

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amarQ144 5 points ago +5 / -0

Turns out nothing is as it seems.

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racial_maddow 3 points ago +3 / -0

The same people who want you to believe tigers came from rocks.

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Slechta5614 25 points ago +25 / -0

Amen so true we are all here for a divine reason. God bless you fren. Keep being the light

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FreedomFan1975 19 points ago +19 / -0

Very true! Hello, fren! :) My son and I are getting baptized this Sunday. I wanted to share that with you. I'm very happy about it!

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Slechta5614 10 points ago +10 / -0

Praise the Lord. This makes my heart happy to hear. 1 by 1 the whole world is coming back to God. Keep turning to him. I'm here if u ever need a fren to talk to. Much love God bless

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FreedomFan1975 8 points ago +8 / -0

I am very happy that you are a part of this community. You lift people up and spread love. This world needs you and more people like you so much. Those of us here with you are very fortunate indeed. :)

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Slechta5614 10 points ago +10 / -0

Thanks fren. Through christ I gain my stregth without him I am just sinful flesh that is just a broken as the rest. What u see is not me its Christ shining his light thru me. This concept helped me see that in others so I just do my best to help others see there potential. All glory goes to God.

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FreedomFan1975 7 points ago +7 / -0

That is so humble of you to say. And I won't argue because I know that's what He wants, for us to be humble and not proud or boastful. But I would be remiss if I didn't point out how many people ignore or completely miss His messages, His callings, His guidance and His involvement in our daily lives. You don't. You acknowledge them and open yourself to His use. And for that, I am thankful. :)

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Slechta5614 8 points ago +8 / -0

I would be lying If I said I didn't Have a huge smile on my face and heart right now. Thank you for you love and light you are passing on to me. This a group effort no one person is bigger or more important. WE ARE FAMILY NOW

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FreedomFan1975 6 points ago +6 / -0

Amen, my Fren :) With that I agree 100%!

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GulagInmate1776 8 points ago +8 / -0

I love you guys!!!

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Slechta5614 8 points ago +8 / -0

We love you to my friend. ?????☝️

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FreedomFan1975 7 points ago +7 / -0

Right back at ya, Fren! :) It's so good to be here with like minded people. It gives me hope that you're all out there when there is so much craziness in the world.

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GA2A 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hallelujah!! My eyes are teary with excitement for you! Beautiful!

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FreedomFan1975 4 points ago +4 / -0

Thank you :) It's such a blessing to be able to share things like that with good people like you!

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you, fren. I am just holding my candle.

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Slechta5614 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thanks all we can do. One candle can light the world. Much love and light WWG1WGA

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6daysandrest 16 points ago +16 / -0

One of the most fascinating things about the Bible is that it is written by multiple authors, in multiple languages, from multiple regions of the world, and with its pieces separated by centuries, even millenia, yet it maintains a consistent narrative. It is so consistent that even texts recently discovered align with old texts long studied. That is proof the Bible is God's word.

Proof of God is simpler. We exist. Despite all the entropic forces in the world, we still exist. There is order in the chaos. We are not the result of a pair of infinitely sided dice being tossed for perfect rolls an infinite number of times. We were created by an all powerful being who is good because the world is good. We aren't good but this creation certainly is.

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PowTimesTwo 10 points ago +10 / -0

This is awesome. I'll add another neat bit on the Bible being supernatural...

The Bible is demonstrably from outside our time domain because of prophecy. Most are explicit, but some are hidden. Check out first 10 generations and their Hebrew meaning:

Adam - Man

Seth - Is Appointed

Enos - Mortal

Cainan - Sorrow

Mahalaleel - The glory of God

Jared - (shall) Come down

Enoch - Teaching

Methuselah - His death shall bring (died the year the flood started...)

Lamech - (the) despair(ing)

Noah - Comfort/rest

So the Christian gospel was hidden in a lineage in the Jewish Old Testament, yet the Jews delivered Jesus to be killed, proving they wouldn't have done it intentionally. Also interesting is these 10 generations are the only ones everyone today has in common, so we all have the gospel in our ancestry.

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Shine382106 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is true....however, this lead me to realize a whole lot more. These 50 year old studies are incredible.

https://israelect.com/reference/SheldonEmry/studies/

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mrsray 16 points ago +16 / -0

and the reason we are here is to save souls, like Jesus did, just like your post will do for some GOD BLESS

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LadyBoothall 10 points ago +10 / -0

Exactly. We are to show the love of God to everyone and pray for all of them. I pray that all see the light of God's love thru His son Jesus and His people here on Earth.

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Dovregubben 9 points ago +9 / -0

You are VERY right. Censorship and character killing is not new ideas or concepts, and as soon as Jesus gained some traction in his truth telling, the controlling forces of the time did as best as they could to undermine his message. This is exactly the same method as used on truth tellers of today. It's right in front of our very eyes.

The great awakening IS the 'second coming'. We're damn close right now!

Bless you, fren! ?

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mrsray 7 points ago +7 / -0

Bless you also fren

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thank you for that, I felt those words.

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ravonaf 15 points ago +15 / -0

My teenage daughter once asked me if we really had a soul. I asked her a very simple question. Do you feel like you ARE your body? Or do you feel like you are INSIDE your body? She said she felt like she was inside her body. I told her she just answered her own question. She got it.

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6daysandrest 14 points ago +14 / -0

I am not a body.

I am a mind piloting a bone-mech wearing meat armor.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wow, awesome. I like the view of thoughts. “Do you think your own thoughts or do they come to you?” From where? Are you only hearing your thoughts?

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BoatingAccident 13 points ago +13 / -0

It is innate knowledge, that's how. The evidence is ALL AROUND US.

The only reason people don't know God exists is because they are purposefully rationalizing away all the evidence.

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6daysandrest 6 points ago +6 / -0

Satan actively inspires people to deny God and to act contrary to His purposes. This is Satan's greatest goal for if God does not exist then neither, logically, does Satan and we no longer guard against his deceptions.

But God and Satan still exist. We must choose who we serve.

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BoatingAccident 4 points ago +4 / -0

Satan actively inspires people to deny God

True, but all he can do is roar at them. He can not make them do a thing.

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Themessenger777 2 points ago +2 / -0

Free will "allows" them to choose...satan enticed their choices. He is very convincing.....people ate very naive

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racial_maddow 13 points ago +13 / -0

That was my wake up call!

"They teach us to be atheists in school...to accept evolution, the "big bang" and "primordial ooze"...but the people who run the world's governments and put out that curriculum for schools clearly worship a deity...hey wait a minute..."

Also...buildings are proof of a builder. Buildings do not build themselves. The same goes for creation. Creation has a creator.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

Rachel madcow, is that you?

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racial_maddow 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ashkenazi Jewess at your service, goy.

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ChronicMetamorphosis 13 points ago +13 / -0

I just feel it. I've been presented with many strange situations and solutions. He has always been there to guide me, even when my family and those around me fall into darkness.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

You can literally feel with your Heart if you don’t let your mind explain it away.

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ChronicMetamorphosis 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's funny you say that. I originally wanted to write "I just feel it", but felt it was too simple of a response. ?

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SvixGale 9 points ago +9 / -0

How do you know God exists?

I looked into the face of my first child; my newborn baby girl, and I saw God.

Children are a miracle and a blessing.

?????

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7Nick9 9 points ago +9 / -0

Look into a child's eyes and you know there is a Creator of Heaven & Earth..

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FreedomFan1975 8 points ago +8 / -0

That's beautiful :) I'll take that a step further by looking into my child's eyes, and my child's child's eyes, knowing He allowed me to create one, that she'd create another, and my blood runs through both their veins. The love you feel for your children and grandchildren is so powerful, I don't know where else it could come from. Only God could make that.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like my boys, that/those souls made the choice to come to me. I feel so bless when I look into their eyes. I only created a place for them to come into.

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FreedomFan1975 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's wonderful, isn't it? No better feeling on earth. :)

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, there is not, I can’t even think of something to compare it to. I feel sorry for those who do not know this feeling. This must be how God feels when he looks at all of us. Imagine how he feels when we serve him, and not our own greed.

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7Nick9 3 points ago +3 / -0

Beautiful ! Very true words spoken ?

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Dovregubben 9 points ago +9 / -0

Raised in an atheist home, I wasn't even searching when GOD found me. I have absolutely no doubts about the existence of GOD, but I'm very weary of the Bible and other so called holy scriptures. Even though they contain many truths, they have been edited, rewritten and promoted by forces with the agenda of controlling people's minds, habits and behaviours for centuries. Just like the globalists of today.

I know this may seem provoking to some, maybe many, but GOD is (among so many other things) sanity, and knowing this, we should use our given common sense to navigate this world, and not only blindly trust the teachings of priests and their like, threatening us with damnation, purgatory and hell for our sins of simply being born.

The 'second coming' will occur the instant many enough of us realize the true and complete presence of GOD and how this power is for all to harness. Then humanity, and all living beings will rise and excel to levels of existence few, if any, are able to imagine.

GOD is awesome, and MAN am I lucky to experience exactly that. Love to this forum and to all.

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ArcaneSlang 4 points ago +4 / -0

To get to ‘God’ you need Jesus Christ. No man comes to the Father except through me.” -Jesus Christ source: the Bible. It is his word. To know Jesus you must read his Word. Wouldn’t God be powerful enough to transcend any mistranslations? The Bible is like an onion. Many layers. I just got my mind blown again by Jesus in the book of Matthew.I have read this book many times, yet today I ‘heard’ something new. I like King James Version because His words are in red.

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Dovregubben 2 points ago +2 / -0

In order to really know Jesus, you must really know yourself. Bless you Fren ?

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Slapstick86 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is a lot of wisdom is other parts of the bible, but to me, the absolute most important part is Jesus's teachings. Those really don't seem manipulated, or like there is anything in there that the powers that be inserted to control us. I see the old testament as containing the rigidly religious aspects along with much wisdom, but I see Jesus's words as the ultimate truth.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

Exactly the point of this post ?

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Cheesecakecrush 8 points ago +8 / -0

I have a personal anecdote on this matter. I believe that god proves he's real on occasion but you have to be paying attention to see it.

I used to be pretty agnostic when I was younger. My stepson is disabled and can't move around, and spends most of his day in his recliner. He likes video games though, as do I, but he can't play some of the more complicated ones so I would end up having to play them 'for' him. One such game was called "Boom Blox" and it was on the Wii.

Well, he grew bored of it and it spent several months on a shelf behind where he could even see. Its kind of a rare game so its trade-in value at places like Gamestop was actually pretty high, and at one point there was a game I really wanted but didn't have the money for. So, I took a bunch of my games, and still needed a bit more.. and I wickedly decided to take that game. He didn't seem to care, so how would he notice?

Well, the VERY DAY I took it, traded it in, and got the game I wanted, he asked to play it. I had to explain to him, and my new wife, that we didn't have it any more and that I had traded it in. My wife was justifiably furious, and I had to buy a new copy of that game so he could play it. The kicker? Once I did replace it, he NEVER ONCE ASKED ABOUT IT AGAIN. EVER.

I choose to see that as a sign from god to 'Be a better person. Hell awaits the wicked."

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Haha, that’s call a nudge. You have to be looking and listening to find one. I had one recently.

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Slapstick86 1 point ago +1 / -0

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear. As an adult, I've found we basically get away with nothing.

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Mr_A 6 points ago +6 / -0

Many people including myself offer testimony of their personal experience and proof of God's existence. If you are in doubt, seek and you will find. The material world but itself cannot prove God to a materially-minded person any more than the ocean's movements can prove the moon's existence to a clam. But seek and you will find.

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Hodar 5 points ago +6 / -1

Logic. Why do we feel love? Dogs, cats, birds all feel it, anyone who has been around animals know this. Why? It's not required for reproduction. Why do we think, imagine and have the capability to create things - we are unique in this. Again, this is not a requirement for reproduction and survival. We simply look around us, from the simple marvel of a sunrise, and as we look deeper we see a fantastic world of physics, Quantium Physics, interactions that are so technical, it baffles the imagination - and only a fool would say "it's all only a coincidence".

Despite what we have learned, over the existence of humanity - we cannot create even the simplest of lifeforms, without first starting with something living.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

Very true. We are creators because we were created in his image-the creator. That’s why we love, as he does.

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SpaceManBob 3 points ago +3 / -0

Romantic love leads to sex meaning the chance of reproduction is much higher. If you love your children you'll be more likely to fight to protect them and care about what happens to them. A child with parents who love them has a higher chance of surviving and reproducing. Love for others also makes you likely to protect them which could increase their chance of reproducing which would help the species as a whole.

If thinking, imagining, and creating things isn't a big enough detriment to survival then there's no mechanism for lifeforms who do those things to be wiped out as a result of those traits. The same could go for love if not for the reasons I wrote above.

Being born with a 6th finger isn't beneficial to reproduction or survival, either, but apparently 1 in 500 babies are born with that mutation. Evolution doesn't make decisions, it does shit at random and whatever works sticks. Whatever doesn't work turns into dinner. If it makes no difference then it also sticks.

People trying to create life is much like people thinking they can control the climate; mother nature doesn't give a rat's ass what you think you can do and is way beyond our tiny monkey brains. And especially in the case of creating life, it's way out of our league anyway. It took millions of years to get this advanced, and while I don't know about the future, I'm not surprised we haven't figured it out in the past several thousand (really much less than that since we can't really count the years we didn't have the knowhow or tech for it).

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kommisar6 4 points ago +4 / -0

The first mover problem is the most compelling argument. Particularly when you combine it with the 2nd law of thermo dynamics. How did DNA self assemble without a first mover?

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Dovregubben 3 points ago +3 / -0

Define 'self' (-assemble) and the size of it. It's a rather difficult task, but looking beyond the dogmas of modern society and which ever technique i.e. faith people use in order to make sense of it, will guide your questioning and provide answers (which generates a whole lot of other questions). We are amazing beings connected to GOD, capable of so much more than any preacher will ever let one know.

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +3 / -2

Obviously, the ONLY answer is a deity from an ancient book, did it.

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OldSoulPatriot 1 point ago +2 / -1

I think the point being made is that many come to believe that God is not just the answer to a specific question, God is the answer to all our questions contingent on seeking His guidance and having faith answers will come when the timing is right for them. The bible contains many lessons and may help in building a relationship with God. The testimonies in this post are individual personal accounts of how God has graced them.

Luke 11:9-10. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be open to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +2 / -1

I understand... But many do not believe that and downvoting my perfectly rational and factual statement because of religious beliefs doesn't do the religion any favors from an outsider's perspective...

If truth is paramount, it should be paramount even if it conflicts with arguments based in an individuals favored religion.

If a person can say God is real because someone believes in and worships Satan and then someone exposes that faulty way of thinking by stating that people also believe in an worship beings the Christian doesn't believe is real and yet I get downvoted. It just goes to show that the religions adherents only embrace logical reasoning when it favors their position and it should not work that way. Truth is truth, is it not?

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Slapstick86 1 point ago +1 / -0

No one will ever have scientific proof of god.

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january20 4 points ago +4 / -0

Among other things, here's a good one. I would occasionally hear someone (a male voice) call my name. Just my 1st name. I would look around and no one was there. Weird. For some reason I started reading the Bible, New Testament. i got to the verse where Jesus says "My sheep hear my voice and I call them by their name, and they follow me". Or very similar wording. Wow, it hit me! Haven't heard that since then, and it was over 15 years ago.

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SidecarBetty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow, same here. I heard a male voice way louder and forceful than any of my inner dialogue ever gets. It only said my first name. It startled me so much, that I didn't hear anything else, and that was several years ago. I'd love to hear Him again.

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throwaway777 3 points ago +3 / -0

100%

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TruthSeeker_6 3 points ago +3 / -0

Praise God, just finished watching a video from Todd White, "Step into your calling". And then this comment popped up here! God is Great!

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Isn’t that something. I was just sitting there quietly a felt the need to write this post, the results from the comments speak wonders. The amount of love here is grand. wwg1wga is a good way to describe it. I feel like I am right where I am today, in so many ways, here included. I barely found Voat and that “forced” me here as a refugee.

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CQVFEFE 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nobody actually knows; that's the whole point of having faith. If you could KNOW, like actually see, hear, and touch a deity, then you wouldn't have faith; you would instead have knowledge.

Like, I don't have faith that there is a stapler here at my desk. I don't "believe" in the stapler. I have actual knowledge of it. I can see and touch it.

Another thing is, we can observe that nothing creates itself, ever. So, logically there must be some primal creative force that did not itself need to be created, because it is eternal and infinite; and this creator did all the creating of everything else, bringing about the entire universe of energy and matter, light and antimatter, dark matter and dark energy, out of literally nothing.

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OkieBowhunter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why is there an assumption that outside the universe, exists nothing? We don't know what is outside of it. We could be a glass jar on someone's lab table.

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CQVFEFE 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why is there an assumption that outside the universe, exists nothing?

Your question is interesting because to my mind, the universe encompasses everything. I use the word to mean "the universe of all that there is." So I can't conceive of anything outside that.

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +1 / -0

Okay, well, as long as you're okay with recognizing this is just an assumption and you're basing your argument off of that, then that's strictly your view of things.

The universe is in fact expanding... What's it expanding into? What's outside of it? Clearly, there's something (a void in the most elementary of terms) that exists outside of it... Is that nothing?

This also doesn't even account for the valid multiverse theory.

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CQVFEFE 1 point ago +1 / -0

LOL lots of people define the universe as everything there is...I would even guess that's a majority viewpoint

Nothing wrong with other concepts though, I love philosophy and epistemology and things like that

People talk about multiverses, I just consider that whole conglomerate of things as existing within a larger space I call the universe...I don't know how else to think about it LOL

But it's true, spacetime itself is expanding and accelerating - into what? Great question!

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe the universe is everything there is, maybe it isn't? Nobody seems to know.

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007wannabee 3 points ago +3 / -0

OK, so how DO you know god exists?

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1Markseeker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Depends on what you mean by "know."

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Trump_Is_Cyrus_777 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are you using some kind of bot to auto post?

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Quixotic 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because otherwise, for matter to come to be, something would have to have come from nothing, with no cause.

The only way something can come from nothing, which violates the laws of physics, is if there is some prime mover or force that is not subject to, or is outside of, the laws of physics.

God.

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SpaceManBob 1 point ago +1 / -0

So what came before God? Seems like you've just added one more step in the chain of events.

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1Markseeker 5 points ago +5 / -0

There is nothing "before" God. God is the Uncaused Cause of all that has been brought into existence. He always was. He had no beginning.

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SpaceManBob 2 points ago +2 / -0

So why can't that happen without God? If there doesn't need to be a cause for God why does there need to be one for anything else?

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1Markseeker 2 points ago +2 / -0
  1. The Scientific evidence for space, time, universe coming into existence at a finite point in the past is overwhelming.

  2. That which comes into existence needs a cause for its existence (metaphysics and the uncertainty principle does not disprove this scientific fact)

  3. God did not come into existence, therefor God does not need a cause.

  4. Furthermore, it is impossible to traverse an infinite. For example, If there were an infinite number of days between today and the infinite past, then we would have never arrived at today. Therefore, the universe is finite and needs a cause.

  5. Whatever caused Space, Time, Matter an Energy to come into existence, must not, itself, be bound by any of those characteristics. I.E Timeless, Immaterial, Extremely Powerful, Etc...We’re getting awfully close to the Judeo-Christian description of God here without bringing up a single Bible verse! Lol

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Quixotic 3 points ago +3 / -0

No, that’s the idea:

There must be some prime mover or source

God is that prime mover or source

What you’re saying is that it has no beginning

The idea of a source with no beginning is unprovable in physics

This is the idea of God

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SpaceManBob 1 point ago +1 / -0

There must be some prime mover or source

Why?

Our current understanding of physics isn't all there is to know. And even if it was, unprovable doesn't mean wrong.

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Quixotic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why? Because the idea that every thing that exists has a cause is as far as we have been able to go in the entirety of human thinking. Our current understanding of physics is what we know. You are implying that there is more to know, that is not known. If it can not be known, it can not be proven, so we have to infer it through its absence in our ability to observe it. So you believe in something you cannot prove to be true, and you do so in order to argue that God must not exist because we can not prove God exists. Start by getting out of your head the idea of God as an old bearded man in the sky - that is the first step. I could from here leave you with the burden of showing through logic why you must necessarily prove your assertion that we do not know enough about physics to positively state that everything has a cause and you would in turn be forced essentially to make the same argument for the existence of this unknown basis for physics as an argument for the existence of God, but I will instead change tack.

So you have to go with the most likely possibility.

If existence is caused by something outside the laws which govern physics...

What is the nature of that thing? What would you call it?

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SpaceManBob 2 points ago +2 / -0

I never argued that God doesn't exist or I knew the answer.

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Quixotic 2 points ago +2 / -0

You quoted me saying there myst be a prime mover or source, and then asked why, and then attempted to show that there are things we don’t know yet about physics and in that way you were arguing against the existence of God, so I showed how the two things are the same logic with different names for the end result.

We do know that according to the laws of physics (laws, not theories, so in fact we do know them and it is very unlikely that our understanding of the laws are wrong), something can not come from nothing.

Therefore if it did come from nothing, it happened outside the laws of physics, not within them.

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Hiromant 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm not Christian and was an atheist for most of my life (born in a non-religious country). However, when you start looking at the fringes of reality, it gets weird.

Quantum mechanics basically tells us we're in an artificial space constructed to be experienced by consciousness and science has got good enough to where we can see the game engine with all its limits and glitches.

In the past few decades scientists have started looking more seriously into subjects like near death experiences and confirmed cases of reincarnation and come up with some pretty interesting evidence.

Neurologists and cognitive scientists have started constructing theories that the brain is a receiver, not a generator of consciousness, because a century of research into the latter has made little progress.

There's also the UFO phenomenon with strange objects flying around our skies, seemingly ignoring all known laws of physics and even manipulating witnesses' consciousness. Researchers like Jacques Vallee have proposed that's it's actually an extradimensional intelligence that's been toying with us for thousands of years to make us question our reality.

It's also clear this world is being ruled by an evil not of human origin. It's like we're purposefully being abused by some higher force so life is always a struggle.

There's a lot of strange stuff going on and dumb particles doing their thing doesn't quite convince me anymore, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was all a big game created by some vast underlying intelligence trying to understand itself through our experiences.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow, awesome comment. Ever explore the thought of the different forms of “aliens” actually being Gods of other religions, including Satan.

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Awakened 2 points ago +2 / -0

God told me. Directly.

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Gnometard 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's not proof of God.

You can have faith, but faith means believing something no matter the lack of proof.

Proof of God would not having people telling me that my 20's and half of my 30s so far were ruined by communists for "a plan"

Proof of God would be having people not actively trying to ruin the lives of single people.

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Joshheretohelp 2 points ago +2 / -0

God spoke to me very directly once, and very often since.

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PortugueseMamaC 2 points ago +2 / -0

What a fabulous thread. I would humbly suggest the book or movie: The Case for Christ.

And if Christ is real, God - whatever this omnipotent being is, well..... it's a great story.

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Queef_Anon 2 points ago +2 / -0

Faith itself is the proof. I'm not talking the feign faith of 2 billion but genuine faith that produces fruits. Man cannot, himself, fake or muster such faith.

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OkieBowhunter 2 points ago +5 / -3

People worship Allah too... Is he real?

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Dovregubben 4 points ago +4 / -0

For every religion there are 'salesmen' and the tactics they use in order to monopolize the experience of life and death.

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OkieBowhunter 3 points ago +4 / -1

LOL @ the downvotes despite me pointing out a simple, yet very real, fact.

Truth isn't important people! It's your feelings! This entire thread is based off a logical fallacy.

Humans are doomed.

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SpaceManBob 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep, made an argument why I thought the main post is illogical and just got downvoted and told to "read the comments" to find my answer so long as I was "open-minded".

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OkieBowhunter 3 points ago +4 / -1

This is the only problem with this place... They're all about open dialogue and uncovering truths, until their religion is brought into it.

Sacred cows and all of that...

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1Markseeker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are Atheists real?

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +2 / -1

Is planet Serpo real?

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cHeCkMaTe ChRiStIaNs

Said the edgy 14 year old

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Mavdick96 1 point ago +3 / -2

God cannot exist without the Devil and vice versa.

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6daysandrest 3 points ago +3 / -0

God created all things, including the angel who fell and became Satan.

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Mavdick96 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well aware.

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Mavdick96 2 points ago +2 / -0

People are missing my fucking point. What I'm trying to say is that good CANNOT exist without evil.

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OkieBowhunter 1 point ago +1 / -0

So he can't do anything then.

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SpaceManBob 1 point ago +3 / -2

How does this tell non-believers "everything they need to know" exactly? So atheists who think religious people are crazy for believing in what they see as an imaginary "sky daddy" are going to be convinced he's real based on the existence of a group of evil people who believe in and worship someone else they also think is imaginary?

Atheists don't think God is real as a result of people worshipping him so why would they think he's real as a result of people worshipping Satan?

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

The answer(s) can be found in the comments for starters, be willing to “hear” them.

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SpaceManBob 3 points ago +3 / -0

Typical non-answer. And none of the comments have anything to do with how a group of people believing in Satan would prove that God is real to a group of people who don't believe in God or Satan.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

I had your perspective at one point in my life so I can empathize with the defensive attitude. When you look and listen you will feel it there. If you want to explain everything into existence in our measly minds, you won’t. Do you agree there is a yin and a yang?

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SpaceManBob 3 points ago +3 / -0

The point in the main post is a logical one. That the existence of God is proven by the fact that an evil group of people worships Satan and that, that in and of itself tells you everything you need to know regarding the existence of God. I made an argument for why I thought this was incorrect.

And defensive? I asked for an explanation of your main point and got sent on a wild goose chase into a comment section (which I had already read much of in the first place) that doesn't once mention the point/idea I was presenting an argument against.

I was simply pointing out the specific claim you made in the OP and why I thought it was weak. There are many, many better arguments in favor of God than "evil people worshipping Satan".

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Starchaser 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's how I realized God really does exist. Even before that, I believed there had to be some higher power out in the universe. Once I learned of the great evil that has been happening, it was hard not to turn to God as a way to make sense of it all.

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young_roshi 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you've ever seen that long ass video of Altiyan Childs expose on Freemasonry he makes that same point.

The main reason they have to hide that they worship satan is because: if [they] believe there's a devil then its just more proof that God is real and that Jesus is Lord. And they don't want people to realize this simple truth, they can't have that.

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Glowie777 1 point ago +2 / -1

Once you see His power, you KNOW.

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Phishhed44 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anyone here been seeing 11:11 A LOT lately? Take a look at Jacob Israel’s newest video. I’ve been seeing it for days, watched the video and was like...wow.

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VetforTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

SIT much!

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MAGULQ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Satan and his minions have been trying to derail God's plan since the Garden. But the lake of fire awaits them. GOD WINS

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Wolf333 1 point ago +2 / -1

There is an innate relationship with God because He is your creator. It is a personal relationship with him. That is when His Holy Spirit manifests belief in you, It's almost indescribable. It is an affirmation that comes within you and you know that you know, that there is a power a force a creator our God. It is a wonderful experience to open your heart and ask, speak to your Creator and ask the questions and he will answer. Are you real? are you there? Open a bible they call it the living Word for a reason it brings life and tangible peace and hope and knowledge. We are not only made of flesh and blood but we are also spirit and soul that is the portion to be filled with the love and knowledge of God. That's why folks are seeking something to fulfill a void that they feel in their lives. Unfortunately some go to the dark side looking for fulfillment. It will not last and eventually become catastrophic. Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. Eventually he will kill you.

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OZ00MSTALLGEESE 1 point ago +1 / -0

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

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rupedoggydawg 1 point ago +2 / -1

I struggled with my relationship with God. Early on I left the church because of issues I had with the Church. I was an inquisitive child who asked a lot of questions and was never satisfied with answers that didn't make sense to me, or brought more questions. Went to college and shut God out more like many do. But I've always been searching and I've always felt nudged in certain directions like someone was guiding me. But if I'm honest with myself, when I struggled with things, God was always there for me even when I did not deserve it and when I foolishly shut him out. Much like the stubborn child who grows up to see what their parents were trying to teach them. Throughout my life I have had many instances where I know that God was with me and looking out for me. Can't explain it, just felt it. Have I been the best follower of Christ's lessons? No, but I do try. I often wonder how much of what we know about God has been manipulated and hidden from us. I expect much. We just need to open our hearts and mind for it to all be revealed to us. My wife brought me back to God and her faith, even in her death brought me more understanding. This is what I feel the Great Awakening will end up being; a revelation of the truth.

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VoatAnon1984 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I had a similar experience. I attended a church in an attempt to find God on my own, I was only more turned off. The church doesn’t have a way of acclimating the soul. They speak right to the mind and do it in such a commercialized way.

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anargumentativebox 1 point ago +1 / -0

Intuition and Christ's message. That's all.

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YUNG_GUAC 1 point ago +1 / -0

God and Jesus are amazing, folks. I believe everyone should reach out and embrace this love even if they never have before and see how it manifests in your life. There is amazing power in this world.

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